"Rape Is Not Always Rape" - Nick Ross Triggers Outrage And Defends Rape Comments

[Will Munny]

Pochohontas was actually the first rape victim of the new world. Strangely fitting you use a gif of her.

 

[SixSickSins]

Oh, and the percentage of rapes that studies find that are false claims are 2-8%.

And men are NOT raped more than women--it's about 3% compared to 1 in 5 women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html

You're still a fucking idiot, Rodriguez.

Prison rape isn't on there.

personally, i think rape is wrong obviously but the way women act and are raised and the way men are raised cause problems and the fact that many women put themselves in dangerous positions

Majority of times a situation wouldn't be "dangerous" if men could control themselves and their urges. That's what it boils down to.

"Well she dressed in a mini skirt so she was asking for it" smhhhh, yawl some nasty rape advocates.

But naw, y'all wanna argue about semantics and side topics of what should and shouldn't be deemed as rape. All yawl some Mr. Well What If's. "Well what IF I'm stroking and at any point she says "no, stop!" and I keep stroking til I bust...Is it rape?!"

^Simply dumb as hell.

Yeah, shit happens...but why can't men control themselves? Men unable to control themselves and foolishly taking advantage of a situation that could potentially ruin their lives. Weird and sad.

Rape is rape is rape. May not always seem fair to you personally but very few times is it faked. False cries of rape just get plenty of media time which makes them seem as if they occur more often.

Just as most of yall are QUICK to say "well, she shouldn't have put herself in that situation..." yall need to take your own advice in certain circumstances. Smarten up.

 

[Will Munny]

Oh, and the percentage of rapes that studies find that are false claims are 2-8%.

And men are NOT raped more than women--it's about 3% compared to 1 in 5 women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html

You're still a fucking idiot, Rodriguez.

Prison rape isn't on there.

personally, i think rape is wrong obviously but the way women act and are raised and the way men are raised cause problems and the fact that many women put themselves in dangerous positions

Majority of times a situation wouldn't be "dangerous" if men could control themselves and their urges. That's what it boils down to.

"Well she dressed in a mini skirt so she was asking for it" smhhhh, yawl some nasty rape advocates.

But naw, y'all wanna argue about semantics and side topics of what should and shouldn't be deemed as rape. All yawl some Mr. Well What If's. "Well what IF I'm stroking and at any point she says "no, stop!" and I keep stroking til I bust...Is it rape?!"

^Simply dumb as hell.

Yeah, shit happens...but why can't men control themselves? Men unable to control themselves and foolishly taking advantage of a situation that could potentially ruin their lives. Weird and sad.

Rape is rape is rape. May not always seem fair to you personally but very few times is it faked. False cries of rape just get plenty of media time which makes them seem as if they occur more often.

Just as most of yall are QUICK to say "well, she shouldn't have put herself in that situation..." yall need to take your own advice in certain circumstances. Smarten up.

just take your meds and put on some of your favorite dashboard confessional songs. it will be ok.

 

[Valentinez A. Kaiser]

Oh, and the percentage of rapes that studies find that are false claims are 2-8%.

And men are NOT raped more than women--it's about 3% compared to 1 in 5 women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html

You're still a fucking idiot, Rodriguez.

Prison rape isn't on there.

personally, i think rape is wrong obviously but the way women act and are raised and the way men are raised cause problems and the fact that many women put themselves in dangerous positions

Majority of times a situation wouldn't be "dangerous" if men could control themselves and their urges. That's what it boils down to.

"Well she dressed in a mini skirt so she was asking for it" smhhhh, yawl some nasty rape advocates.

But naw, y'all wanna argue about semantics and side topics of what should and shouldn't be deemed as rape. All yawl some Mr. Well What If's. "Well what IF I'm stroking and at any point she says "no, stop!" and I keep stroking til I bust...Is it rape?!"

^Simply dumb as hell.

Yeah, shit happens...but why can't men control themselves? Men unable to control themselves and foolishly taking advantage of a situation that could potentially ruin their lives. Weird and sad.

Rape is rape is rape. May not always seem fair to you personally but very few times is it faked. False cries of rape just get plenty of media time which makes them seem as if they occur more often.

Just as most of yall are QUICK to say "well, she shouldn't have put herself in that situation..." yall need to take your own advice in certain circumstances. Smarten up.

I agree with this statement in the bold @Six

 

[SixSickSins]

Oh, and the percentage of rapes that studies find that are false claims are 2-8%.

And men are NOT raped more than women--it's about 3% compared to 1 in 5 women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html

You're still a fucking idiot, Rodriguez.

Prison rape isn't on there.

personally, i think rape is wrong obviously but the way women act and are raised and the way men are raised cause problems and the fact that many women put themselves in dangerous positions

Majority of times a situation wouldn't be "dangerous" if men could control themselves and their urges. That's what it boils down to.

"Well she dressed in a mini skirt so she was asking for it" smhhhh, yawl some nasty rape advocates.

But naw, y'all wanna argue about semantics and side topics of what should and shouldn't be deemed as rape. All yawl some Mr. Well What If's. "Well what IF I'm stroking and at any point she says "no, stop!" and I keep stroking til I bust...Is it rape?!"

^Simply dumb as hell.

Yeah, shit happens...but why can't men control themselves? Men unable to control themselves and foolishly taking advantage of a situation that could potentially ruin their lives. Weird and sad.

Rape is rape is rape. May not always seem fair to you personally but very few times is it faked. False cries of rape just get plenty of media time which makes them seem as if they occur more often.

Just as most of yall are QUICK to say "well, she shouldn't have put herself in that situation..." yall need to take your own advice in certain circumstances. Smarten up.

just take your meds and put on some of your favorite dashboard confessional songs. it will be ok.

Why don't you fucking kill yourself before I chop off all your midget limbs, huh???

Keep playing BITCH and that cannibal backwoods you call home won't be the only thing you pull your shotgun out on.

I WILL CRACK YOUR HEAD LIKE A COCONUT AND SPLIT YOUR BEAVER QUAIL WIG.

I WILL STOMP YOU INTO THAT LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE FIELD YOU LIVE IN.

 

[blackrain]

Rape is rape whether its reported or not. And no rape victims should not be chasticed for the actions of another human being. Its already bad enough to have been violated by another human being. You dont think he or she doesnt already deep down blame themselves for the incident without the input of their peers? Self blame is why a significant number of rapes arent reported in the first place....smh. as a soceity we dont chastice victims of assault or hit and runs

Also while women should learn how to protect themselves against sexual predators, this is often times not enough and can lead to a false sense of security considering that most rape victims know their rapists. Its usually a friend, family member, coworker, boss, classmate, etc so to protect one against such as assault can be almost impossible. Rapist dont wear their intentions on their sleeves

Thats why from a young age we should stress both sexes how to behave amongst one another, especially boys...

And to those who dismiss the notion that america may have a rape culture problem here are a few things to consider:

Illinois is the only state that recognizes an individual s right to rescind consent during sex

Only in 93 did it become illegal for a man to rape his wife

And out of 100 rapes only 5 lead to convictions, its a hard thing to prove

False accusations are a serious problem as well but are rare. Thats why when it does happen it makes the news. Women who make false claims are and can be charged with a crime too

That is a very slippery slope and something that will definitely be abused

 

[LUClEN]

I was just waiting to be asked to post sources. Since you so rudely asked I will oblige.

Oh, and the percentage of rapes that studies find that are false claims are 2-8%.

And men are NOT raped more than women--it's about 3% compared to 1 in 5 women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html

You're still a fucking idiot, Rodriguez.

Prison rape isn't on there.

personally, i think rape is wrong obviously but the way women act and are raised and the way men are raised cause problems and the fact that many women put themselves in dangerous positions

In 2008 the FBI found there to be a whopping: 90,479 rape victims. However the Justice Department looked into the issue of prison rape for the same year and received a conservative estimate of: 216,000 victims of sexual assault nationwide.

Sources:

http://www.justdetention.org/en/listserv/2011/042611.aspx
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/24/prison-rape-and-government/?pagination=false

Those seem to both get the bulk of their data from:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpjri0809.pdf

I also posted links way back but you would have had to read them and not just spurt nonsense in order to know that.

 

[blackrain]

So if a woman is drunk and consents to sex and regrets it the next night is it rape?

I had a girl get into bed with me let me give her a massage then she took her shirt off and let me do everything and told me I couldn't put my dick in.... Is that rape when she clearly is just bullshitting and wants me to put it in?

If she says don't put your dick in her, how can that be taken as a "yes let's have sex"?

 

[Will Munny]

Oh, and the percentage of rapes that studies find that are false claims are 2-8%.

And men are NOT raped more than women--it's about 3% compared to 1 in 5 women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html

You're still a fucking idiot, Rodriguez.

Prison rape isn't on there.

personally, i think rape is wrong obviously but the way women act and are raised and the way men are raised cause problems and the fact that many women put themselves in dangerous positions

Majority of times a situation wouldn't be "dangerous" if men could control themselves and their urges. That's what it boils down to.

"Well she dressed in a mini skirt so she was asking for it" smhhhh, yawl some nasty rape advocates.

But naw, y'all wanna argue about semantics and side topics of what should and shouldn't be deemed as rape. All yawl some Mr. Well What If's. "Well what IF I'm stroking and at any point she says "no, stop!" and I keep stroking til I bust...Is it rape?!"

^Simply dumb as hell.

Yeah, shit happens...but why can't men control themselves? Men unable to control themselves and foolishly taking advantage of a situation that could potentially ruin their lives. Weird and sad.

Rape is rape is rape. May not always seem fair to you personally but very few times is it faked. False cries of rape just get plenty of media time which makes them seem as if they occur more often.

Just as most of yall are QUICK to say "well, she shouldn't have put herself in that situation..." yall need to take your own advice in certain circumstances. Smarten up.

just take your meds and put on some of your favorite dashboard confessional songs. it will be ok.

Why don't you fucking kill yourself before I chop off all your midget limbs, huh???

Keep playing BITCH and that cannibal backwoods you call home won't be the only thing you pull your shotgun out on.

I WILL CRACK YOUR HEAD LIKE A COCONUT AND SPLIT YOUR BEAVER QUAIL WIG.

I WILL STOMP YOU INTO THAT LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE FIELD YOU LIVE IN.

 

[SixSickSins]

***

 

[deadeye]

Rape is rape whether its reported or not. And no rape victims should not be chasticed for the actions of another human being. Its already bad enough to have been violated by another human being. You dont think he or she doesnt already deep down blame themselves for the incident without the input of their peers? Self blame is why a significant number of rapes arent reported in the first place....smh. as a soceity we dont chastice victims of assault or hit and runs

Also while women should learn how to protect themselves against sexual predators, this is often times not enough and can lead to a false sense of security considering that most rape victims know their rapists. Its usually a friend, family member, coworker, boss, classmate, etc so to protect one against such as assault can be almost impossible. Rapist dont wear their intentions on their sleeves

Thats why from a young age we should stress both sexes how to behave amongst one another, especially boys...

And to those who dismiss the notion that america may have a rape culture problem here are a few things to consider:

Illinois is the only state that recognizes an individual s right to rescind consent during sex

Only in 93 did it become illegal for a man to rape his wife

And out of 100 rapes only 5 lead to convictions, its a hard thing to prove

False accusations are a serious problem as well but are rare. Thats why when it does happen it makes the news. Women who make false claims are and can be charged with a crime too

That is a very slippery slope and something that will definitely be abused

Exactly.

The purest definition of rape is forcible penetration without consent.

Therefore, it's going to be difficult to prove forcible penetration if consent occurred at any time during the encounter.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Oh, and the percentage of rapes that studies find that are false claims are 2-8%.

And men are NOT raped more than women--it's about 3% compared to 1 in 5 women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html

You're still a fucking idiot, Rodriguez.

Prison rape isn't on there.

personally, i think rape is wrong obviously but the way women act and are raised and the way men are raised cause problems and the fact that many women put themselves in dangerous positions

Majority of times a situation wouldn't be "dangerous" if men could control themselves and their urges. That's what it boils down to.

"Well she dressed in a mini skirt so she was asking for it" smhhhh, yawl some nasty rape advocates.

But naw, y'all wanna argue about semantics and side topics of what should and shouldn't be deemed as rape. All yawl some Mr. Well What If's. "Well what IF I'm stroking and at any point she says "no, stop!" and I keep stroking til I bust...Is it rape?!"

^Simply dumb as hell.

Yeah, shit happens...but why can't men control themselves? Men unable to control themselves and foolishly taking advantage of a situation that could potentially ruin their lives. Weird and sad.

Rape is rape is rape. May not always seem fair to you personally but very few times is it faked. False cries of rape just get plenty of media time which makes them seem as if they occur more often.

Just as most of yall are QUICK to say "well, she shouldn't have put herself in that situation..." yall need to take your own advice in certain circumstances. Smarten up.

let me flip this.

why did she leave her friends to go sniff cocaine off someone's dick? why did she get drunk and let two guys run a train on her? fact is people need to make responsible decisions. im saying (which you and loca aren't getting) that both parties are responsible (if we assume women and men are equal).

You need to use common sense, which i'm sure your mother explained to you. you know men look at you as a sexual object, you know they want to have sex with you, yet you lead them on and knowingly put you in yourself in position that you can't control anymore.

I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS ALWAYS THE CASE.

Actions have consequences. if a guy walks in a room full of horny women and slaps his dick in the face, the fuck you think is gonna happen. If i go in a gang controlled neighborhood with the wrong colors or whatever, the fuck you think is gonna happen?

 

[LUClEN]

Rape is rape whether its reported or not. And no rape victims should not be chasticed for the actions of another human being. Its already bad enough to have been violated by another human being. You dont think he or she doesnt already deep down blame themselves for the incident without the input of their peers? Self blame is why a significant number of rapes arent reported in the first place....smh. as a soceity we dont chastice victims of assault or hit and runs

Also while women should learn how to protect themselves against sexual predators, this is often times not enough and can lead to a false sense of security considering that most rape victims know their rapists. Its usually a friend, family member, coworker, boss, classmate, etc so to protect one against such as assault can be almost impossible. Rapist dont wear their intentions on their sleeves

Thats why from a young age we should stress both sexes how to behave amongst one another, especially boys...

And to those who dismiss the notion that america may have a rape culture problem here are a few things to consider:

Illinois is the only state that recognizes an individual s right to rescind consent during sex

Only in 93 did it become illegal for a man to rape his wife

And out of 100 rapes only 5 lead to convictions, its a hard thing to prove

False accusations are a serious problem as well but are rare. Thats why when it does happen it makes the news. Women who make false claims are and can be charged with a crime too

That is a very slippery slope and something that will definitely be abused

Exactly.

The purest definition of rape is forcible penetration without consent.

Therefore, it's going to be difficult to prove forcible penetration if consent occurred at any time during the encounter.

I am inclined to think that if consent is retracted then any penetration after the fact would be regarded as forcible

 

[Will Munny]

***

 

[desertrain10]

Illinois is the only state that recognizes an individual's right to rescind consent during sex

If I'm interpreting this correctly, it seems absurd.

So, two people have been having sex for 30 minutes.....she tells him to stop....he keeps going for another minute or so until he busts.....and the woman can claim that she was raped because he kept going for another minute after she told him to stop?????

But she didn't have any problem with her guts getting beat in for the first 30 minutes???

Do you really think the law was intended for situations like that to be considered rape?

Smh....

It means that if you are in the middle of sex and one is forced into having oral/anal sex they have legal recourse...but thats only if you live in Illinois

maybe i didnt make myself clear, but my point was that unlike some of you would like to believe laws and enforcement vehicles do not prioritize addressing rape which in my mind further affirms the claim that we do live in a rape culture

 

[Valentinez A. Kaiser]

Rape is rape whether its reported or not. And no rape victims should not be chasticed for the actions of another human being. Its already bad enough to have been violated by another human being. You dont think he or she doesnt already deep down blame themselves for the incident without the input of their peers? Self blame is why a significant number of rapes arent reported in the first place....smh. as a soceity we dont chastice victims of assault or hit and runs

Also while women should learn how to protect themselves against sexual predators, this is often times not enough and can lead to a false sense of security considering that most rape victims know their rapists. Its usually a friend, family member, coworker, boss, classmate, etc so to protect one against such as assault can be almost impossible. Rapist dont wear their intentions on their sleeves

Thats why from a young age we should stress both sexes how to behave amongst one another, especially boys...

And to those who dismiss the notion that america may have a rape culture problem here are a few things to consider:

Illinois is the only state that recognizes an individual s right to rescind consent during sex

Only in 93 did it become illegal for a man to rape his wife

And out of 100 rapes only 5 lead to convictions, its a hard thing to prove

False accusations are a serious problem as well but are rare. Thats why when it does happen it makes the news. Women who make false claims are and can be charged with a crime too

That is a very slippery slope and something that will definitely be abused

Exactly.

The purest definition of rape is forcible penetration without consent.

Therefore, it's going to be difficult to prove forcible penetration if consent occurred at any time during the encounter.

You're right about the difficulty. Do you remember the British story about the husband who ejaculated in his wife "without her consent" about a month ago?

A woman who agreed to sex might still be the victim of rape, the High Court has ruled.

On the specific incident in question the woman consented on the clear understanding that the man would not ejaculate within her vagina.

Prosecutors had decided not to charge him as it would be "impossible to prove" that the man's decision was not "spontaneous" and "made at the point of ejaculation".

Source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22281457

 

[SixSickSins]

Oh, and the percentage of rapes that studies find that are false claims are 2-8%.

And men are NOT raped more than women--it's about 3% compared to 1 in 5 women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html

You're still a fucking idiot, Rodriguez.

Prison rape isn't on there.

personally, i think rape is wrong obviously but the way women act and are raised and the way men are raised cause problems and the fact that many women put themselves in dangerous positions

Majority of times a situation wouldn't be "dangerous" if men could control themselves and their urges. That's what it boils down to.

"Well she dressed in a mini skirt so she was asking for it" smhhhh, yawl some nasty rape advocates.

But naw, y'all wanna argue about semantics and side topics of what should and shouldn't be deemed as rape. All yawl some Mr. Well What If's. "Well what IF I'm stroking and at any point she says "no, stop!" and I keep stroking til I bust...Is it rape?!"

^Simply dumb as hell.

Yeah, shit happens...but why can't men control themselves? Men unable to control themselves and foolishly taking advantage of a situation that could potentially ruin their lives. Weird and sad.

Rape is rape is rape. May not always seem fair to you personally but very few times is it faked. False cries of rape just get plenty of media time which makes them seem as if they occur more often.

Just as most of yall are QUICK to say "well, she shouldn't have put herself in that situation..." yall need to take your own advice in certain circumstances. Smarten up.

let me flip this.

why did she leave her friends to go sniff cocaine off someone's dick? why did she get drunk and let two guys run a train on her? fact is people need to make responsible decisions. im saying (which you and loca aren't getting) that both parties are responsible (if we assume women and men are equal).

You need to use common sense, which i'm sure your mother explained to you. you know men look at you as a sexual object, you know they want to have sex with you, yet you lead them on and knowingly put you in yourself in position that you can't control anymore.

I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS ALWAYS THE CASE.

Actions have consequences. if a guy walks in a room full of horny women and slaps his dick in the face, the fuck you think is gonna happen. If i go in a gang controlled neighborhood with the wrong colors or whatever, the fuck you think is gonna happen?

The fact we're making is that a woman does not cause herself to get raped; it's lack of control on the male's end.

So some bad-judgment-making female is "higher than Denzel on Flight", drunk, obviously not in full control of all her faculties/senses, etc. What would possess a male to rape her other than lack of control and bad judgment on his end? Exactly.

If a Brinks money truck tips over, driver unconscious, money flying through the air like a stripper club...are you gonna steal the money? At first you may think yes! this shit laid out for the taking...but then if your GOOD JUDGMENT comes into play you stop and think about how the money may be traceable, how that driver may not be as unconscious as you previously thought and can help put you in jail.

My point is if such cons of the situation run through your head you should be able to control yourself and leave that situation the hell alone.

Secondly, no one deserves to be raped no matter what they're wearing or what "dangerous situation" they're in.

If a female family member of yours was a drunken party girl in her day and got raped...does that make it acceptable because she made silly mistakes and "put herself there"? No.

Men need to step back from those situations just as women who rape men need to step back. Don't take advantage of a temporary pleasure that will potentially come back and ruin you.

 

[LUClEN]

So basically we are saying fuck morality, let's abide by the law out of fear for consequences.. ok.

 

[SixSickSins]

Illinois is the only state that recognizes an individual's right to rescind consent during sex

If I'm interpreting this correctly, it seems absurd.

So, two people have been having sex for 30 minutes.....she tells him to stop....he keeps going for another minute or so until he busts.....and the woman can claim that she was raped because he kept going for another minute after she told him to stop?????

But she didn't have any problem with her guts getting beat in for the first 30 minutes???

Do you really think the law was intended for situations like that to be considered rape?

Smh....

It means that if you are in the middle of sex and one is forced into having oral/anal sex they have legal recourse...but thats only if you live in Illinois

maybe i didnt make myself clear, but my point was that unlike some of you would like to believe laws and enforcement vehicles do not prioritize addressing rape which in my mind further affirms the claim that we do live in a rape culture

You, me, and Six need to meet over coffee.

I love your posts.

'Zacly. I love yall..my hardcore feminist fam. If yall ever in NC, holla.

 

[LUClEN]

The argument is not that the rape is just, it is that the provocation of the rape is foolish.