Racially Motivated Threads of the Social Lounge...

[sun03]

Explain to me in what ways can a person so far removed and who has never experienced slavery is yet affected by slavery today in 2011. More importantly why aren't more blacks affected by the civil rights era? Thats atleast more recent.

Its not the physical aspect of slavery, its the MENTAL ASPECT of slavery that is still very present in the minds of some African-Americans today. They are very much affected by it. You can't strip an entire race of people of their heritage, demean them daily, beat, kill, rape, abuse, humiliate, harass them, feed them lies, treat them like sub-humans, shut them out of education and many other outlets all Americans should be entitled to, etc and then expect things to be all fine and dandy in 30 years? It doesn't work that way. Sadly, I've noticed many of those racist tactics are STILL used by many whites to this day. The majority of whites still pass their hate along from generation to generation. Look outside, Google these made-up and inaccurate "statistics", bogus articles with racist agendas to demean and humiliate an entire group of people. Very little has changed in my opinion. Many whites don't believe in reparations. But if you don't believe in it, then give away all of the benefits, businesses, and money that you STILL receive to this day that was built of the backs of Blacks. Lets all start out fair in regards to economics as well.

As for I stated previously, physical means very little. Its the mental scars that I see some black people carrying around to this day. These same horrible mental scars carried down from generation to generation. That is the whole point. That coupled with the presence of institutional racism can be debilitating. Racism is alive and well in the USA.

I do think Black is a very strong powerful race. IN fact, the strongest race. I know many black people who are prideful, know who they are, see through the bullshit in this racist eurocentric based society and living great lives. Black Africans were the first on earth and I believe we will be the last.

No one is playing the "victim". But you also have to put responsibility on the people(whites) who have created this and still reinforce it to this day. It would be unfair and cruel to deny how strong the effects of slavery and institutional racism has been on African Americans. Institutional racism is something that needs to be talked about as well.

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

You can't strip an entire race of people of their heritage, demean them daily, beat, kill, rape, abuse, humiliate, harass them, feed them lies, treat them like sub-humans, shut them out of education and many other outlets all Americans should be entitled to, etc and then expect things to be all fine and dandy in 30 years?

1. Entire race? African blacks would take issue with that claim.

3. 30 years? It's not 1890. It's 2011.

 

[sun03]

1. Entire race? African blacks would take issue with that claim.

3. 30 years? It's not 1890. It's 2011.

Yes, Black Africans. And the civil rights movement ended in the mid-late 1960s. So more like 40 years ago. As I said previously, A STRONG consequence of slavery is the mental aspect. I've noticed those tactics and behaviors learned and used during slavery are STILL reinforced to this very day.

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

Wait, you're counting the 1960's as the end of slavery? Compare your previous comments and reconsider your timeline, bruh.

And I hope you're not sincerely clinging to that "entire race" idea because that's just amazingly silly.

 

[BelovedAfeni]

this message holds true for all people in need of a vision and moral guidance

malcolm was mostly talking to africans but he had guidance for others

good post

 

[janklow]

right but janklow was trying to act like the extermination process was inadvertent.

that would be because the majority of deaths were inadvertent, not some planned "extermination process," because the vast majority of the deaths caused by diseases were from diseases that spread out from Europeans that had arrived there, not from some supposed scheme of biological warfare. epidemics killed millions of Native Americans before Europeans ever got into the areas they lived in.

but i guess it's more colorful to make up supposed "smallpox blankets" events

 

[sun03]

Its not silly, and He's correct. The effects of slavery, are continual. That is why there was a need, for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Because a white racist nation remains bent on treating Blacks, as close to sub-human, as possible.

It's no different, today, as we head more and more back, in time. More and more entities, today, seek to annihilate Black males...just likduring Slavery times. More and more entities, today, go out of their way to Alienate & Exclude or incarcerate Black males...only a racist fool, would pretend that 2011 isn't still a Time where Blacks absorb the continual effects of the US Slave Trade

Thank you. Exactly. Its refreshing to see that someone gets it. I noticed that are still trying to destroy black women, as well. Things haven't changed much.

P.S. I'm a female everyone

 

[sun03]

so you mean to tell me that not just today but for a long ass time black people have not had the opportunity to change things? Cause some have. As a matter of fact a lot have. But do you know who gets all the shine in the black community? The niggas. The niggas get Me stereotyped. These niggas aint never been no goddam slaves. Slaves to ignorance yes. If I go to Brighton Beach tomorrow I'll be stereotyped cause of what those niggas did. Even though we are not all like that right? But this is the same way we look at white people because of what some white people did even though they are not like that, right?

The tactics you think you know about wasn't just for black people my friend, it was for all people that was not of the elite. White people have been fucking white people for a very long time with these tactics. Tactics of racism, superiority when clearly your not, patriotism, flags, symbols, loans, military, etc etc. A white men have been fighting elite white men wars with no idea why but told they are patriots, yet veterans been getting fucked for years. Then after years of being told that black people was less of humans the elite said fuck it and slowly start relaxing and enforcing the rights of black people. This created more separation and confusing to the common white ego.

If you look at history as black, white, Indian, Asian etc then you are going to look at it with hate, but if you remove the tactic of racism and look at history as a whole then you'll see it. Humans have been getting played and it's NOT about RACE.

You are entitled to your opinion but I just don't agree. It is about race. Yes, I know a good amount of black people who are doing great for themselves and living a wonderful life. Making advances and doing their thing. I give that much respect. But I can't deny that the effects of slavery and racism are still here. Aside from the outside forces, lets focus in the black community. Ever heard of Wilie Lynch? Check out the "william lynch speech". He set up a plan to "control" black slaves by setting them up against one another. His method consisted of exploiting differences such as skin color in order to pit slaves against one another. He said that this method would "control the slaves at least for another 300 years." And guess what? I see that same MENTALITY in some people to this day. I mean look at many of the comments on this board. I've only been here for a few days and I'm already disgusted with reading some of the most self-hating comments you can imagine. There is still that same light vs dark nonsense. And this is just one example.

I also believe that the experience of slavery and the post-slavery years had effectively emasculated African-American men in many ways, both economically and socially. There is still a sense of powerlessness,hopelessness, and degradation that is the psych of some African-Americans to this day. There was so much systematic damage done and is still being done.

There are many outside groups STILL using the SAME tactics on Black men and Black women, as well.

I believe in Black people and I believe we will make it through. We have to wake up, understand what is going on, and come together. And, as I stated before no one is playing the victim.But you have to put responsibility and pressure on the white people who have created the structure that they also continue to reinforce. Racism is alive and well.

 

[shootemwon]

So whites that became alcoholics, what part of the plan was that?

That wasn't part of the plan? Why would it be? Are you retarded?

 

[todaynow]

@Sun03

PSA: The Willie Lynch Letters was a fake. It was made up to get black people to start thinking.

Willie Lynch did not exist.

The authencity of the letter is not the real issue. The point is the obvious reality of its contents.

 

[todaynow]

You just set back race relations in America (150 + years) -- keep up the good work. BTW I dare anyone of your ilk to blame me/let alone put pressure on Me/ (aka) white person for the problems that you and yours put on yourselves.

Your opinions and thoughts are useless.

 

[todaynow]

It's a real issue when people think it was an actual letter and person.

Do you even know what the hell you're talking about. The concepts are real. What a idiot.

 

[janklow]

moonshine was used by Euro's to turn the Natives, into functional alcoholics. An alcoholic's body is less equipped to fight off disease, which caused the dilemma you deluded to here... so keep it 100% factual

so natives in South America, who never had contact with Europeans, but were killed by diseases that traveled with Europeans to South America, died from those diseases because they bought moonshine? and for some reason, it's moonshine, not any other alcohol?

at this point i'm going to point out that you're not really in a position to tell anyone else to keep anything "100% factual"

 

[janklow]

Do you even know what the hell you're talking about. The concepts are real. What a idiot.

you seem to be intentionally overlooking what he's talking about there

 

[Plutarch]

No need to pressure you. You are meaningless, but you racist tendencies have Still, been identified

Although I do sense some racism from him, the same may also be said concerning you.

Your opinions and thoughts are useless.

I'd say that he raised some very important and truthful opinions and thoughts. Far from being useless.

you seem to be intentionally overlooking what he's talking about there

Agreed. And calling the person that you're arguing with an idiot and seemingly for little to no good reason is itself idiotic.

 

[Plutarch]

P.S. I'm a female everyone

…is there any relevance to this?

You are entitled to your opinion but I just don't agree. It is about race.

The truth to this matter is exactly how ether-i-am explained it. It bothers me, though it doesn’t surprise me, how much significance people attribute to race. We all should really think deeply about the fact that the “black race” and the “white race” are very much made up (speaking of your reference to divide and conquer black slaves, maybe you should take a look at your use of “black” and white” as a mechanism to divide and conquer human beings?). This issue is about “race” but only in an incidental way. This is much more about something that would be as relatively insignificant as race. I think that if you take a camera lens to this issue and zoom out, you’d find that this has much more to do with matters such as class and mere politics. And furthermore that this issue of oppression exists in all races. “Blacks” (again, I just feel the need to say that I am confused with this term because it’s essentially a made up one and is just a paradoxical mishmash of exclusive and inclusive nationalities, cultures, ethnicities, and other criterion that people love to use in order to attempt to prove something as fallacious as the idea that this “close knit group”, which actually doesn’t really exist, is a special target for American victimization) aren’t special to oppression. The majority of people in this world are subject to oppression and the same kind of “tactics” which you have spoken of. This is much more about race.

Yes, I know a good amount of black people who are doing great for themselves and living a wonderful life. Making advances and doing their thing. I give that much respect. But I can't deny that the effects of slavery and racism are still here.

Maybe I am wrong, but it seems that you merely downplayed the fact that blacks can and have enjoyed success in America. You acknowledged it, but didn’t seem to do anything besides that or factor it in your idea that slavery and racism still functions as a sizeable obstacle to blacks today. Of course, racism does. But slavery? So what do you think about the fact that blacks can and have apparently beaten the beast of slavery in the millennium and have found success? Or do you think this is very limited to only a few blacks?

Aside from the outside forces, lets focus in the black community. Ever heard of Wilie Lynch? Check out the "william lynch speech". He set up a plan to "control" black slaves by setting them up against one another. His method consisted of exploiting differences such as skin color in order to pit slaves against one another. He said that this method would "control the slaves at least for another 300 years." And guess what? I see that same MENTALITY in some people to this day. I mean look at many of the comments on this board. I've only been here for a few days and I'm already disgusted with reading some of the most self-hating comments you can imagine. There is still that same light vs dark nonsense. And this is just one example.

I’ve noticed that you used the phrase “outside” forces/groups? Is this a blacks against the world thing? I think that you’ve already been corrected that the Willie Lynch Letters were fake. Though this doesn’t completely render them irrelevant, they aren’t necessarily reliable sources even though the sentiment of the letters may ring somewhat true, so I wouldn’t trust them. But yeah blacks fight amongst themselves but they have been for centuries (even before slavery) because humans have fought against each other for centuries. It was only a matter of time that those in some facet of power realized that they could exploit these human tendencies and they went about doing so in creative ways based on race, class, religion, etc.

As for the “foolishness” on this board, well what do you expect? This is the internet, and moreover it’s an internet source based on entertainment, which is the last basis you should expect logic and sense to reside. Point is that the internet is not a good microcosm of the world. This world is foolish, but the internet is a big exaggeration of that foolishness. I suspect that 90% of the time most people on here are only joking around. That’s what the Social lounge is for, when knowledgeable people want to be serious for a change and discuss real shit.

 

[Plutarch]

I also believe that the experience of slavery and the post-slavery years had effectively emasculated African-American men in many ways, both economically and socially. There is still a sense of powerlessness,hopelessness, and degradation that is the psych of some African-Americans to this day. There was so much systematic damage done and is still being done.

I barely agree with you here but I would argue that it’s relatively irrelevant to bring up for a number of reasons. I think that slavery is far from being even one of the five most significant experiences that has supposedly emasculated Black men. Moreover, I think that those other experiences that have supposedly emasculated Black men have also emasculated men of other races, and that these experiences essentially trump any emasculating effects that slavery once had. If we have to talk specifically about race, it is racism that has emasculated black men today, not slavery even if slavery was based on racism. Though slavery isn’t synonymous to racism, the two should not be equated to each other and I think that you are making that mistake.

There are many outside groups STILL using the SAME tactics on Black men and Black women, as well.

I am sure there are, but those tactics existed long before slavery. And those tactics have not so much to do with race (still they are used on nonblacks also) as they have to do with human nature and power politics. Evidence of this is that those tactics are merely “modified” versions just as they were modified versions during slavery. The tactics remain but they change and adapt to the situation whether it’s a king and his serfs, a slave master and his slaves, or an employer and its employees.

I believe in Black people and I believe we will make it through. We have to wake up, understand what is going on, and come together.

I don’t believe in Black people because 1. There is no such thing as black people 2. I don’t believe in people period. I think that it would be a grave mistake to do so. People will always find a way to fight among themselves and prevent each other from succeeding as a peoples. It’s human nature. I do however believe in individuals though and close, trusted groups of friends/family. This whole promise of black solidarity is a ridiculous dream that will never become a reality.

And, as I stated before no one is playing the victim.

I do think that some if not many blacks play victim. Some actually do have a legitimate reason to do so, but even then, it’s not necessarily always about race. Again, I think that class is much more significant. Life can be hard for blacks, but if you must truthfully blame it on something, slavery is not it. Racism? Okay, but not slavery. Still, I think there are many resources to aid disadvantaged blacks, and will and dedication is much more powerful than people think they are. And let’s not forget that whites and other non-blacks have similar obstacles that have also rendered them stuck.

But you have to put responsibility and pressure on the white people who have created the structure that they also continue to reinforce. Racism is alive and well.

By “structure”, I’m going to assume you are talking about institutional racism in general. And of course racism is alive, but why do you harp on and on about white people as if there aren’t offenders of other races including blacks? You seem to be as racist against whites as the whites you claim to be racist themselves. Again, this isn’t so much about race. It’s as if you’ve watched too many blaxploitation flicks. “The Man”, so to speak, isn’t necessarily white, but he is necessarily a person in power. And many people of many races who are oppressive for whatever reason are in power. And the people who created the “structure” that you speak of are long dead. And the people who benefit from and perhaps reinforce this structure include people of many races, even blacks. So I think this white vs. black dichotomy has to stop. It’s just pointless and ignorant.

 

[sun03]

Oh of course you'd say the same, concerning me. It's because, you're an apologist.

You see racism as wrong, but feel nothing should be done to viably subside it...you feel that Inequality should be left, alone, to annihilate Blacks freely...until that day White America just so happens to, want to end it.

And that my friend, is far far worse, than being a racist.

Wow, you are on point, seriously. I agree with you 100 percent.

I've noticed the attitude that Plutarch has, some others have. Its really sad.

 

[sun03]

I barely agree with you here but I would argue that it’s relatively irrelevant to bring up for a number of reasons. I think that slavery is far from being even one of the five most significant experiences that has supposedly emasculated Black men. Moreover, I think that those other experiences that have supposedly emasculated Black men have also emasculated men of other races, and that these experiences essentially trump any emasculating effects that slavery once had. If we have to talk specifically about race, it is racism that has emasculated black men today, not slavery even if slavery was based on racism. Though slavery isn’t synonymous to racism, the two should not be equated to each other and I think that you are making that mistake.

I am sure there are, but those tactics existed long before slavery. And those tactics have not so much to do with race (still they are used on nonblacks also) as they have to do with human nature and power politics. Evidence of this is that those tactics are merely “modified” versions just as they were modified versions during slavery. The tactics remain but they change and adapt to the situation whether it’s a king and his serfs, a slave master and his slaves, or an employer and its employees.

I don’t believe in Black people because 1. There is no such thing as black people 2. I don’t believe in people period. I think that it would be a grave mistake to do so. People will always find a way to fight among themselves and prevent each other from succeeding as a peoples. It’s human nature. I do however believe in individuals though and close, trusted groups of friends/family. This whole promise of black solidarity is a ridiculous dream that will never become a reality.

I do think that some if not many blacks play victim. Some actually do have a legitimate reason to do so, but even then, it’s not necessarily always about race. Again, I think that class is much more significant. Life can be hard for blacks, but if you must truthfully blame it on something, slavery is not it. Racism? Okay, but not slavery. Still, I think there are many resources to aid disadvantaged blacks, and will and dedication is much more powerful than people think they are. And let’s not forget that whites and other non-blacks have similar obstacles that have also rendered them stuck.

By “structure”, I’m going to assume you are talking about institutional racism in general. And of course racism is alive, but why do you harp on and on about white people as if there aren’t offenders of other races including blacks? You seem to be as racist against whites as the whites you claim to be racist themselves. Again, this isn’t so much about race. It’s as if you’ve watched too many blaxploitation flicks. “The Man”, so to speak, isn’t necessarily white, but he is necessarily a person in power. And many people of many races who are oppressive for whatever reason are in power. And the people who created the “structure” that you speak of are long dead. And the people who benefit from and perhaps reinforce this structure include people of many races, even blacks. So I think this white vs. black dichotomy has to stop. It’s just pointless and ignorant.

Your mind is taken. Seriously. I'm not going to sit here and try to help you understand a concept that you won't get and don't want to get. I stand by my words. I speak up and take action against racism and white supremacy and I always will. I will always empower and support myself and other Blacks who desire to as well.

 

[Chike]

so natives in South America, who never had contact with Europeans, but were killed by diseases that traveled with Europeans to South America, died from those diseases because they bought moonshine? and for some reason, it's moonshine, not any other alcohol?

at this point i'm going to point out that you're not really in a position to tell anyone else to keep anything "100% factual"

South America had more contact with Europeans than north America... wtf you talking about lol

And it doesnt have to just be moonshine, it's any alchohal, plus disease infested gifts, plus raids and broken treaties.... all these things added together helped in the near extermination of the natives. Stop sugar coating the horrors committed by these devils.