R.A. the Rugged Man: Macklemore's Using Gay Agenda for Fame

[blackrain]

u r misinterpreting what a few rappers were trying to convey...lol

and knowing that being caught is a possibility is not the same as believing u will get caught... its a fact that criminals do not rationally calculate the risk of being caught when committing crimes... not debatable.

u take it as rappers equating manhood to street life... We see it as men describing their environments...

them lines aint an embrace of prison culture... its an acknowledgment of reality... the fuck they supposed to say? "I'll snitch if i get caught!"...lol stopitfive

There's a difference between describing your environment which some rappers do, and those who do what is the topic right now which is equating how deep one is in the streets to how much of a man they are. There's a difference but you're pretending as if the latter doesn't exist at all. I never said all rappers equate street life to man hood but for you not to see that some did and still do is just ridiculous and you trying to be difficult. Funny thing is, whether it's rappers equating manhood to street life or them merely describing their environment there's still no getting around the fact that in some instances being in the streets=being a man to some. That's not debatable. Too many people who've lived that life and later spoke on how young and dumb their idea of manhood was for it to not have some truth to it. It's a false equivalency, but it exists none the less. No they not supposed to be like "I'ma snitch if I get caught"...but to so casually mention going to prison as if it's just a part of how things are is a sign of a problem. Majority of people don't view going to prison as something to say "fuck it, it is what it is" type attitude. The fact that mentality exists is where the problem lies, and that attitude is there in hip-hop. Not as big as it once was, but it's there.

something existing is not the same as it being the overall theme...

Digital Underground rapped about the Humpty Dance so hip hop is Humpty dance culture... thats what y'all logic is...

Find where I said it's the overall theme? t's a part of hip-hop, but find where I said it's the overarching theme to what hip-hop is about? Thats' where your misunderstanding is coming in. I responded to your post talking about it being an added part...clearly meaning it's not encompassing the whole. Like I said you're being purposely difficult and not just contradicting your own posts

 

[Meta_Conscious]

prison culture is not a part of hip hop...

y'all can't even define prison culture... y'all think prison culture is centered around rape...

 

[SheerExcellence]

prison culture is not a part of hip hop...

y'all can't even define prison culture... y'all think prison culture is centered around rape...

i'm not saying this is 100% right, but i find it interesting

paul mooney on this very topic

turn to minute 3:30
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[Meta_Conscious]

That's my man, but he can't substantiate any of that... He also contradicted himself...

The prison rape myth comes from tv and movies, but no one calls American cinema prison culture...

 

[blackrain]

This is funny given that right now Planet Rock: The Story of Hip Hop and The Crack Generation is on right now talking about Schooly D's song

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

cornrows did not start in no fuckin prison, that shit from africa nigga, ancient niggas had cornrows, i dont believe that saggin pants shit mean you gay either, just like cracker dont mean the sound of the whip when they used to hit slaves, white folks been makin up lies and slanderin us for fuckin centuries even old head blacks push the same agenda as them cuz they so brainwashed, paul mooney tripped on that one, fuck your propaganda

 

[LUClEN]

prison culture is not a part of hip hop...

y'all can't even define prison culture... y'all think prison culture is centered around rape...

Prisons have hierarchies like everything else in life. Unlike the corporate world, or the school world, or the culinary world, or the literature world, or the automotive world in prison male rape can and often is a means of exhibiting superiority over others. It is one of the few environments where this is very prevalent.

The prison rape myth is not completely a myth - it is actually alleged to be so damn prevalent that when prison rape is accounted for men are victims of rape more than women.

Interestingly enough the idea of making one your bitch is shared in both gangsta rap and prison.

 

[blackrain]

cornrows did not start in no fuckin prison, that shit from africa nigga, ancient niggas had cornrows, i dont believe that saggin pants shit mean you gay either, just like cracker dont mean the sound of the whip when they used to hit slaves, white folks been makin up lies and slanderin us for fuckin centuries even old head blacks push the same agenda as them cuz they so brainwashed, paul mooney tripped on that one, fuck your propaganda

Who said that stupid shit?

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

cornrows did not start in no fuckin prison, that shit from africa nigga, ancient niggas had cornrows, i dont believe that saggin pants shit mean you gay either, just like cracker dont mean the sound of the whip when they used to hit slaves, white folks been makin up lies and slanderin us for fuckin centuries even old head blacks push the same agenda as them cuz they so brainwashed, paul mooney tripped on that one, fuck your propaganda

Who said that stupid shit?

lol paul mooney, the last person you would expect to say that shit

 

[Meta_Conscious]

prison culture is not a part of hip hop...

y'all can't even define prison culture... y'all think prison culture is centered around rape...

Prisons have hierarchies like everything else in life. Unlike the corporate world, or the school world, or the culinary world, or the literature world, or the automotive world in prison male rape can and often is a means of exhibiting superiority over others. It is one of the few environments where this is very prevalent.

The prison rape myth is not completely a myth - it is actually alleged to be so damn prevalent that when prison rape is accounted for men are victims of rape more than women.

Interestingly enough the idea of making one your bitch is shared in both gangsta rap and prison.

That article doesn't substantiate your implication that rape is cultural for inmates, nor that rape is some important element of gangsta rap...

Let's also ignore the fact that them lyrics ain't always literal... I guess Canibus is literally the lyrical version of German engineering...

 

[LUClEN]

prison culture is not a part of hip hop...

y'all can't even define prison culture... y'all think prison culture is centered around rape...

Prisons have hierarchies like everything else in life. Unlike the corporate world, or the school world, or the culinary world, or the literature world, or the automotive world in prison male rape can and often is a means of exhibiting superiority over others. It is one of the few environments where this is very prevalent.

The prison rape myth is not completely a myth - it is actually alleged to be so damn prevalent that when prison rape is accounted for men are victims of rape more than women.

Interestingly enough the idea of making one your bitch is shared in both gangsta rap and prison.

That article doesn't substantiate your implication that rape is cultural for inmates, nor that rape is some important element of gangsta rap...

Let's also ignore the fact that them lyrics ain't always literal... I guess Canibus is literally the lyrical version of German engineering...

But the plethora of lyrics about rape do show that rape is an element of gangsta rap. Also you alleged prison rape is a myth and that last post clearly shows it is not a myth.

Don't they know my nigga Gutter fuckin' kidnap kids?

Fuck em in the ass, throw 'em over the bridge

I fuckin' hate you; I'll take your drawers down and rape you

While Dr. Dre videotapes you

Cause you're getting fucked out your green by a White boy

With no vaseline

I escape from the padded room, grab a broom and rape a male rapper's womb

You hear that nigga voice sound like a dick in his ass

He reminiscing, a Compton nigga's bitch in prison

You snob like Martha

You acting like a prison bitch

Gucci Man, I'mma shoot you in your pee pee

Get you fucked in jail like a fefe

Yeah, he raped a little baby girl, jack

I hope they fuck him in his ass until his tongue turn black

The rape over, turn your face over nigga

Now you ready to get raped and ate by Mr. Haley

'til my nigga Whoo Kid get free, ain't shit comin' for free

I'm 'bout to rape you niggas 'til you recoup

Guns on me like I used to

I'll fuck ya ass on YouTube

"You might got more cash than me, but you ain't got the skills to eat a nigga's ass like me."

If I gotsta bring it to you cowards then it's gonna be quick

All your mens up in the jail before, suck my dick

Niggas press they luck-and

They get a butt-fuckin

Straight up the ass

Raw dog with the rash

And I don't fuck with the condoms

The condoms is a problem from the AIDS getting sprayed

Motherfucka, rip your butthole outta place

pool stick all in his ass, tell him take that

You niggas remind me of a strip club, cause every time i come around it’s like i wanna get my dick sucked

I'm a cruddy nigga leave you all bloody nigga service with a smile

Suck my dick

And while you niggas that's been to jail before know it's about to get thick

Let's get it on baby

Yeah, you right, I know ya style: pussy, cause I'm fucking it

Since we all right here, you hold my dick while he sucking it

Don't test me, no tester

I rape you, like Chester

I'll bust through the shudders, masked in a rubber

Duct tape your mother and butt-rape your brother

Stuck my dick in the world, now I’m raping this song, I'm wrong?

Torching and crakin' and rhymin' and stealin'

Robbin' and raping - busting two in the ceiling

You niggas getting raped, you still gettin' oil base

While retarded acquaintances get fist fucked and raped

Covered in lighter fluid, lit up and ingulfed in flames

You can suck a cock

Get raped by a atheist

Face it

Drop us, they can't break us

We gon' rape this motherfucker till we're done

I murder you then I, run a train on Mobb Deep!

I refuse to believe blacks think he's cool

I wish he'd get beaten and raped by some black guy

Gettin' raped by the cats put in posistion to protect us

 

[Meta_Conscious]

prison culture is not a part of hip hop...

y'all can't even define prison culture... y'all think prison culture is centered around rape...

Prisons have hierarchies like everything else in life. Unlike the corporate world, or the school world, or the culinary world, or the literature world, or the automotive world in prison male rape can and often is a means of exhibiting superiority over others. It is one of the few environments where this is very prevalent.

The prison rape myth is not completely a myth - it is actually alleged to be so damn prevalent that when prison rape is accounted for men are victims of rape more than women.

Interestingly enough the idea of making one your bitch is shared in both gangsta rap and prison.

That article doesn't substantiate your implication that rape is cultural for inmates, nor that rape is some important element of gangsta rap...

Let's also ignore the fact that them lyrics ain't always literal... I guess Canibus is literally the lyrical version of German engineering...

But the plethora of lyrics about rape do show that rape is an element of gangsta rap. Also you alleged prison rape is a myth and that last post clearly shows it is not a myth.

Don't they know my nigga Gutter fuckin' kidnap kids?

Fuck em in the ass, throw 'em over the bridge

I fuckin' hate you; I'll take your drawers down and rape you

While Dr. Dre videotapes you

Cause you're getting fucked out your green by a White boy

With no vaseline

I escape from the padded room, grab a broom and rape a male rapper's womb

You hear that nigga voice sound like a dick in his ass

He reminiscing, a Compton nigga's bitch in prison

You snob like Martha

You acting like a prison bitch

Gucci Man, I'mma shoot you in your pee pee

Get you fucked in jail like a fefe

Yeah, he raped a little baby girl, jack

I hope they fuck him in his ass until his tongue turn black

The rape over, turn your face over nigga

Now you ready to get raped and ate by Mr. Haley

'til my nigga Whoo Kid get free, ain't shit comin' for free

I'm 'bout to rape you niggas 'til you recoup

Guns on me like I used to

I'll fuck ya ass on YouTube

"You might got more cash than me, but you ain't got the skills to eat a nigga's ass like me."

If I gotsta bring it to you cowards then it's gonna be quick

All your mens up in the jail before, suck my dick

Niggas press they luck-and

They get a butt-fuckin

Straight up the ass

Raw dog with the rash

And I don't fuck with the condoms

The condoms is a problem from the AIDS getting sprayed

Motherfucka, rip your butthole outta place

pool stick all in his ass, tell him take that

You niggas remind me of a strip club, cause every time i come around it’s like i wanna get my dick sucked

I'm a cruddy nigga leave you all bloody nigga service with a smile

Suck my dick

And while you niggas that's been to jail before know it's about to get thick

Let's get it on baby

Yeah, you right, I know ya style: pussy, cause I'm fucking it

Since we all right here, you hold my dick while he sucking it

Don't test me, no tester

I rape you, like Chester

I'll bust through the shudders, masked in a rubber

Duct tape your mother and butt-rape your brother

Stuck my dick in the world, now I’m raping this song, I'm wrong?

Torching and crakin' and rhymin' and stealin'

Robbin' and raping - busting two in the ceiling

You niggas getting raped, you still gettin' oil base

you would have to do an extensive content analysis to prove that hip hop has/makes more references to male rape than movies, tv, books, etc... u can't and won't...

that article did not prove that the prison rape myth is a real thing... it argues that prison rape occurs and measuring it is difficult...

 

[LUClEN]

And it alludes to the papers that have gone about making estimates and drawing figures and shows that when prison rape is accounted such efforts have shown that men are victims of rape at higher rates than women. It is not a myth if it is really happening.

How isn't rape a common element in gangsta rap among some gangsta rappers when platinum selling artists, as quoted above, such as DMX, Eminem, Tupac, Biggie Smalls, Gucci Mane and more use if frequently?

What's craziest is that there's a Mos Def quote up there. Even 'conscious' rappers are doing it.

 

[T. Sanford]

I just watch the video & I had to GOAT it

These hoe ass rap niggas more obsessed with fashion than lyrics these days. wearing skinny jeans & skirts, you look like a industry hoe

 

[Meta_Conscious]

the figures presented in that article are unclear... they even admit it... they made no real conclusions... they can't say whether prison rape is more prevalent than non-prisoner rape...

 

[LUClEN]

They got an estimate of 216,000 incidents. Rape outside the prison system is estimated at 213,000. How is this unclear?

Their numbers might not be the most accurate but the meaning of the data is not unclear

 

[Meta_Conscious]

the article that that article cites for those numbers states:

Overall, most victims were abused not by other inmates but, like Jan, by corrections staff: agents of our government, paid with our taxes, whose job it is to keep inmates safe.

An estimated 65,700 inmates, including 6,800 juveniles, had sex with staff “willingly.”

you're misrepresenting the results and what those articles are saying, bruh...

they don't even break the numbers down by sex in the original article...

 

[LUClEN]

I see what you're saying now.

Even if you subtract the consensual sex, which is considered rape on the basis of staff being in positions of authority, then the number is still 150,300 which is significant. Significant enough that you can't call prison rape a myth as though it's rare or uncommon.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

its not "uncommon"...