R.A. the Rugged Man: Macklemore's Using Gay Agenda for Fame

[Meta_Conscious]

Just as culture exists outside prison it exists within it too, in the Language, values, norms, mores and so forth. There are rap artists that bring these to the genre.

What aspect of prison culture has a rapper brought to hip hop?

Has said rapper done a major bid?

 

[LUClEN]

Tupac.

"I murder you then I run a train on Mobb Deep"

 

[Meta_Conscious]

So your insinuating that running a train is "prison culture"...

Prove it

 

[LUClEN]

I'm insinuating that fornicating with men as a means of "Showing them who's boss" is primarily a prison thing. You guys keep focusing on the idea of a train. Did you completely disregard the fact that the train was to be on mobb deep?

 

[Meta_Conscious]

So male rape is prison culture?

 

[LUClEN]

A part of it. Not exclusive to it obviously

 

[gns]

Does this nigga believe wtf he is typing?

 

[LUClEN]

*African American

and yes I do believe there is some prison influence in hip hop. I also think it has declined over the years though.

As Jamaica pointed out hip hop in the broadest sense refers to the composite of graffiti, b-boying, rapping and Dj'ing. I think the influence primarily affected gangsta rap leaving the other 3 elements untouched.

How is what I am saying ass backwards though? You think running trains on men is not gay?

 

[gns]

Y'all ethering the 5th element of hip hop......auh

 

[LUClEN]

If i could Goat and ether you I would.

Just goes to show how disconnected from the roots I am personally as a fan.

On an aside a friend of mine's mom dated Rahzel for a short time.

 

[jono]

Man I can't believe ima say this but @Elrawd crushing buildings around here.

Nothing in the original 5 elements speaks about sexuality or race. So saying hip-hop is "anti-homosexuality" I bullshit. It's all inclusive.

There's no rules saying you can't be white or that you can't be gay. The culture is not exclusive if it were millions of people the world over wouldn't be allowed in.

That's part 1.

Part 2 is where Elrawd is correct. There is a lot of blatant homoerotic behavior in hip-hop most notably in the emcee portion. You guys have already discussed the homoerotic language used and I agree it's mostly used as metaphor but it's used nonetheless and really there is no reason for it.

The mentality is also present, I mean some of the most deeply misogynist stuff comes out of rap but amongst that are tales of male bonding.

After all that we have to come to an understanding. Hip-hop is like cable TV now, if you don't like one channel you simply change it. If a gay rapper comes out then just don't listen to him, costs you nothing to ignore him.

Now I already know where that leads "but what about the kids? The shorties are gonna hear some faggot talking about being a fag and it might make then want to be a fag!!"

Crazy thing is that we don't consider that when we allow lyrics about rape, drug abuse, domestic violence, gang banging and unhealthy heterosexual relationships to be heard. When those snotty crackers and goody two shoes uncle toms want to blame hip-hop for violence and gang banging we quick to defend an say "hey, rap don't make you violent!" But now niggas want to say a rapper may make people gay?

You can't have it both ways. I'm of the opinion that neither will happen. A nigga ain't slanging dope because of Jeezy and a nigga ain't gonna want to sex up a man because some rapper does it either.

It's just simple logic.

 

[5th Letter]

If the cultural event did not exist they would not have spoofed it. Their targeting the issue is evidence that it is there.

Gang bangs having existed longer than hip hop disproves what exactly? It does not disprove the homoeroticism in hip hop. It does not invalidate all of the gay lyrics in hip hop, like for example those of a hyper masculine nature that use male rape as a means of expressing domination and superiority.

They were spoofing hip hop music at the time. A lot of 1 hit wonders and dance/snap music. They just used homosexuality for the comedic effect.

When others before hip hop engaged in gang bangs were there some underlying homoerotic tendencies among them? So why is that different with the hip hop culture?

Now you're talking about male rape? Bruh I'm getting uncomfortable now. How is this proving anything?

The homoeroticism was funny because it was true.

When others before hip hop engaged in gang bangs it was absolutely homoerotic. Why wouldn't it be?

You're uncomfortable about the idea of male rape as it is very gay. But it is abundant in rap. It becomes less gay when you say it in a song?

The homo element was used because of how rappers carry themselves as tough guys. There's nothing more effeminate than implied homosexuality. The point of the episode wasn't to merely talk about homosexuality in hip hop but it's to shit on hip hop at the time with one hit wonders and snap music and how rappers aren't always what they say they are.

As for your point about gang bangs. I don't agree with that action but as long as the dudes aren't interacting with each other I can't say its gay. But this is deviating from the point.

If male rape is apart of hip hop culture then by your logic anything rappers talk about could be apart of the culture too? So Christianity

Is as hip hop as male rape? And who is rapping about rapping other men by the way?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

All I can say about thus whole discussion... 'Scust.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

*this

 

[blackrain]

Man I can't believe ima say this but @Elrawd crushing buildings around here.

Nothing in the original 5 elements speaks about sexuality or race. So saying hip-hop is "anti-homosexuality" I bullshit. It's all inclusive.

There's no rules saying you can't be white or that you can't be gay. The culture is not exclusive if it were millions of people the world over wouldn't be allowed in.

That's part 1.

Part 2 is where Elrawd is correct. There is a lot of blatant homoerotic behavior in hip-hop most notably in the emcee portion. You guys have already discussed the homoerotic language used and I agree it's mostly used as metaphor but it's used nonetheless and really there is no reason for it.

The mentality is also present, I mean some of the most deeply misogynist stuff comes out of rap but amongst that are tales of male bonding.



After all that we have to come to an understanding. Hip-hop is like cable TV now, if you don't like one channel you simply change it. If a gay rapper comes out then just don't listen to him, costs you nothing to ignore him.

Now I already know where that leads "but what about the kids? The shorties are gonna hear some faggot talking about being a fag and it might make then want to be a fag!!"

Crazy thing is that we don't consider that when we allow lyrics about rape, drug abuse, domestic violence, gang banging and unhealthy heterosexual relationships to be heard. When those snotty crackers and goody two shoes uncle toms want to blame hip-hop for violence and gang banging we quick to defend an say "hey, rap don't make you violent!" But now niggas want to say a rapper may make people gay?

You can't have it both ways. I'm of the opinion that neither will happen. A nigga ain't slanging dope because of Jeezy and a nigga ain't gonna want to sex up a man because some rapper does it either.

It's just simple logic.

The bold reminds me of a line on Rick Ross' song "Even Deeper" off his Ashes To Ashes mixtape. The line is so out there I can't even listen to the damn song because it's just gay as hell. Somewhere in the 2nd verse he says something like "I'm having fun fucking, let my brother watch"....rappers be saying some suspect shit from time to time

 

[loch121]

You also hate the hyper masculinity shit and that is present as well. Hating it doesn't mean it's not there.

In no way is it a majority, but to say there is no influence is to disregard the basics. A lot of the lyrics are from views where prison is a reality for the individual.

Songs about prison:

Locked up - Akon and Styles P

What your life like - Beanie Sigel

Aint no sunshine - Kid Frost

Do your time - Ludacris

Phone time - CNN

Out on bail - Tupac

Last words - Nas

No Vaseline is straight prison culture. Dope track, but let's be real.

jail doesn't automatically mean gay.Don't watch too many eps of OZ

 

[Beware]

Dude has the goat interviews!

 

[A$AP_A$TON]

Real shit.

 

[tompetrez3]

Niggas quick to pick in macklemore about the gay shit but forget kendrick lamar was making songs with that tranny gaga. Kendrick lamar was on the set of applause video shoot where them men were kissing more passionaite than the gifs I posted. Kendra and his black homo click were watching a drag fashion show

 

[SheerExcellence]

popular emcees today that you guys all love talk about:

selling drugs to the community

using drugs beyond any normal level of recreational consumption

violence and increasing crimes

gang tales they prolly dont really live

generally devaluing "straight laced normal kids who work hard in school" as lame

conspicuous consumption of money on the dumbest shit (cars, chains, clothes) rather than education and other things that are more valuable

and all kinds of other shit i can name

but you dont care about that

you care about a guy making a gay song

all of a sudden there is a "JEW AND GAY RUN CONSPIRACY TO PROMOTE GAY AGENDA"

im all for a proper critique of hip hop

but songs supporting gay marriage is not high on my list of things i think that need to be addressed.

when 9 out of the 10 songs on the radio are about gay marriage, then get back to me