R.A. the Rugged Man: Macklemore's Using Gay Agenda for Fame

[SuperSoulBrotha23]

mackelmore trying to ease homosexuality into hiphop

 

[LUClEN]

Hip hop by nature is anti gay.

Yes and no. Hip hop is really schizophrenic about homosexuality. On one hand you have people who consider the word faggot to be the worst insult a man can be called, and on the other hand you have grown men dressing really really gay with their underwear showing. Men buy albums with shirtless greased up rappers on the cover.

Boondocks touched on this. The homies over hoes mentality that was spreading. Hip hop is influenced somewhat by prison culture. That is not exactly the most heterosexual influence.

We have threads with pages and pages of gay hip hop lyrics. Some even come from the so called GOATs

Where did you get this idea that hip hop is influenced by the jail culture? Hip hop started out as a lifestyle and you had different elements to this lifestyle. Whether it's djing, graffiti, break dancing or emceeing. If anything hip hop was an escape from the streets where young black and Latino males can put their energy into something more positive instead of violence or drug dealing. Hip hop's early roots were competition and out doing the next man. Since these hip hop acts came from the streets a lot of these dudes were against homosexuality. Hence why people coming in hip hop (if they were gay) was afraid to show their true sexual orientation. It could damage their rep. In other forms of entertainment we've had gay people have long prominent careers. (Elton John, Liberace, lead singer from Queen etc). That lifestyle is acceptable in those forms of entertainment.

Guys having their shirts off on album covers is a stupid logic on your part.

It's discussed in the documentary Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes

Allhiphop founder Chuck Creekmur is in it. Grouchy Greg is not though. I guess PBS didn't think he was worth interviewing

You must really have your head in the sand if you can't see the obvious homoeroticism some of these rappers are employing though.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

Hip hop by nature is anti gay.

Yes and no. Hip hop is really schizophrenic about homosexuality. On one hand you have people who consider the word faggot to be the worst insult a man can be called, and on the other hand you have grown men dressing really really gay with their underwear showing. Men buy albums with shirtless greased up rappers on the cover.

Boondocks touched on this. The homies over hoes mentality that was spreading. Hip hop is influenced somewhat by prison culture. That is not exactly the most heterosexual influence.

We have threads with pages and pages of gay hip hop lyrics. Some even come from the so called GOATs

Name a hip hop pioneer who did a long bid and brought "prison culture" to hip hop...

I hate that prison culture myth...

 

[LUClEN]

You also hate the hyper masculinity shit and that is present as well. Hating it doesn't mean it's not there.

In no way is it a majority, but to say there is no influence is to disregard the basics. A lot of the lyrics are from views where prison is a reality for the individual.

Songs about prison:

Locked up - Akon and Styles P

What your life like - Beanie Sigel

Aint no sunshine - Kid Frost

Do your time - Ludacris

Phone time - CNN

Out on bail - Tupac

Last words - Nas

No Vaseline is straight prison culture. Dope track, but let's be real.

 

[5th Letter]

Hip hop by nature is anti gay.

Yes and no. Hip hop is really schizophrenic about homosexuality. On one hand you have people who consider the word faggot to be the worst insult a man can be called, and on the other hand you have grown men dressing really really gay with their underwear showing. Men buy albums with shirtless greased up rappers on the cover.

Boondocks touched on this. The homies over hoes mentality that was spreading. Hip hop is influenced somewhat by prison culture. That is not exactly the most heterosexual influence.

We have threads with pages and pages of gay hip hop lyrics. Some even come from the so called GOATs

Where did you get this idea that hip hop is influenced by the jail culture? Hip hop started out as a lifestyle and you had different elements to this lifestyle. Whether it's djing, graffiti, break dancing or emceeing. If anything hip hop was an escape from the streets where young black and Latino males can put their energy into something more positive instead of violence or drug dealing. Hip hop's early roots were competition and out doing the next man. Since these hip hop acts came from the streets a lot of these dudes were against homosexuality. Hence why people coming in hip hop (if they were gay) was afraid to show their true sexual orientation. It could damage their rep. In other forms of entertainment we've had gay people have long prominent careers. (Elton John, Liberace, lead singer from Queen etc). That lifestyle is acceptable in those forms of entertainment.

Guys having their shirts off on album covers is a stupid logic on your part.

It's discussed in the documentary Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes

Allhiphop founder Chuck Creekmur is in it. Grouchy Greg is not though. I guess PBS didn't think he was worth interviewing

You must really have your head in the sand if you can't see the obvious homoeroticism some of these rappers are employing though.

Okay and what was specifically said?

 

[LUClEN]

Hip hop by nature is anti gay.

Yes and no. Hip hop is really schizophrenic about homosexuality. On one hand you have people who consider the word faggot to be the worst insult a man can be called, and on the other hand you have grown men dressing really really gay with their underwear showing. Men buy albums with shirtless greased up rappers on the cover.

Boondocks touched on this. The homies over hoes mentality that was spreading. Hip hop is influenced somewhat by prison culture. That is not exactly the most heterosexual influence.

We have threads with pages and pages of gay hip hop lyrics. Some even come from the so called GOATs

Where did you get this idea that hip hop is influenced by the jail culture? Hip hop started out as a lifestyle and you had different elements to this lifestyle. Whether it's djing, graffiti, break dancing or emceeing. If anything hip hop was an escape from the streets where young black and Latino males can put their energy into something more positive instead of violence or drug dealing. Hip hop's early roots were competition and out doing the next man. Since these hip hop acts came from the streets a lot of these dudes were against homosexuality. Hence why people coming in hip hop (if they were gay) was afraid to show their true sexual orientation. It could damage their rep. In other forms of entertainment we've had gay people have long prominent careers. (Elton John, Liberace, lead singer from Queen etc). That lifestyle is acceptable in those forms of entertainment.

Guys having their shirts off on album covers is a stupid logic on your part.

It's discussed in the documentary Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes

Allhiphop founder Chuck Creekmur is in it. Grouchy Greg is not though. I guess PBS didn't think he was worth interviewing

You must really have your head in the sand if you can't see the obvious homoeroticism some of these rappers are employing though.

Okay and what was specifically said?

Regarding homoeroticism? It said essentially what I said: it is ironic that there is so much homophobia when there is so much homoeroticism. Men go so far with their homies over hoes mentality that they will share and sexually exploit women together as a means of strengthening and maintaining their male relationships. "Aint no fun less the homies get some" was the concept they dissected in particular when discussing this.

 

[FourEfil]

Matter of fact DJ Quik supported the gay agenda way more than Macklemore. Just check out some of Quik's diss songs. He said a whole bunch of gay shit. "Everlast, you fake irish faggot. You got a big booty. Come on let me tag it." I could bring up some more lines but you get the picture. How come Lord Jamar ain't sayin nothin about that?

"Now, I never had my dick sucked by a man befo'

But you gon be the first you little trick ass hoe

Then you can tell me just how it taste

But before I nut I shoot some piss in your face"

 

[LUClEN]

^ above post highlights the irony.

 

[5th Letter]

Hip hop by nature is anti gay.

Yes and no. Hip hop is really schizophrenic about homosexuality. On one hand you have people who consider the word faggot to be the worst insult a man can be called, and on the other hand you have grown men dressing really really gay with their underwear showing. Men buy albums with shirtless greased up rappers on the cover.

Boondocks touched on this. The homies over hoes mentality that was spreading. Hip hop is influenced somewhat by prison culture. That is not exactly the most heterosexual influence.

We have threads with pages and pages of gay hip hop lyrics. Some even come from the so called GOATs

Where did you get this idea that hip hop is influenced by the jail culture? Hip hop started out as a lifestyle and you had different elements to this lifestyle. Whether it's djing, graffiti, break dancing or emceeing. If anything hip hop was an escape from the streets where young black and Latino males can put their energy into something more positive instead of violence or drug dealing. Hip hop's early roots were competition and out doing the next man. Since these hip hop acts came from the streets a lot of these dudes were against homosexuality. Hence why people coming in hip hop (if they were gay) was afraid to show their true sexual orientation. It could damage their rep. In other forms of entertainment we've had gay people have long prominent careers. (Elton John, Liberace, lead singer from Queen etc). That lifestyle is acceptable in those forms of entertainment.

Guys having their shirts off on album covers is a stupid logic on your part.

It's discussed in the documentary Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes

Allhiphop founder Chuck Creekmur is in it. Grouchy Greg is not though. I guess PBS didn't think he was worth interviewing

You must really have your head in the sand if you can't see the obvious homoeroticism some of these rappers are employing though.

Okay and what was specifically said?

Regarding homoeroticism? It said essentially what I said: it is ironic that there is so much homophobia when there is so much homoeroticism. Men go so far with their homies over hoes mentality that they will share and sexually exploit women together as a means of strengthening and maintaining their male relationships. "Aint no fun less the homies get some" was the concept they dissected in particular when discussing this.

First of all you using boondocks kill your credibility. They typically spoof pop culture events for the sake of comedy. "Homies over hoes" is basically siding with your friends over basically women. It doesn't mean you're gay. And gang bangs been around longer than hip hop.

 

[LUClEN]

If the cultural event did not exist they would not have spoofed it. Their targeting the issue is evidence that it is there.

Gang bangs having existed longer than hip hop disproves what exactly? It does not disprove the homoeroticism in hip hop. It does not invalidate all of the gay lyrics in hip hop, like for example those of a hyper masculine nature that use male rape as a means of expressing domination and superiority.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

Songs about prison is not the same as their being an element of prison culture prevalent in hip hop...

 

[blackrain]

I don't give a fuck about a gay agenda in hip hop.

What I do care about is the current trend of no talent hacks becoming mainstays in the dame industry and being put up as the next big thing.

I also care about the lack of innovations dn imagination, in the entertainment industry.

"no child left behind" was obviously more damaging than 9/11.

This isn't new...

The answer to all your questions is this. Yes there have been gay people involved in hip hop, but the culture has always been competitive and macho by nature. This is the very reason why artists and dj's have hidden their sexual orientation.

1. You can't be competitive and macho...And gay...?

2. So...If you enjoy the work by those artists and dj's...Why does it matter if they're gay?...And why should they have to hide it when they are contributing to the culture?

These are simply logical questions...Cause y'all stay actin as if somebody's tryna make you gay or that all gays should be prosecuted...I've stated multiple times on here...Ion rock with homosexuality...I think it's a disorder...However, a lotta y'all talk so ignorantly about the shit...And on top of that, y'all loooooooooooove to talk about it...These threads stay gettin made and stay doin numbers...Like, got damn, just ignore it and live your life...Matter fact, why not just ban all homo threads in the Reason?...How bout that?

Wasn't as prevalent either.

You niggas make superstars out of one hit wonders and make them stick around a hell of a lot longer than they should.

Like the dream....or Cassie....



You stay dodging the fact that music is extremely shitty across every genre.

Ain't just a hip hop thing. It's a music thing.

Music fucking sucks right now.

Nigga when the last time you heard anyone saying they were waiting on a new Cassie single?

 

[LUClEN]

I'm waiting on that Cassie playboy shoot

 

[blackrain]

Songs about prison is not the same as their being an element of prison culture prevalent in hip hop...

How many videos got random scenes in prison or are set in prison when the song may not even be about committing a crime? Prison culture is in hip hop culture. It's not as big as it was in the past but it's still there. It's part of where the idea of street cred comes from

 

[5th Letter]

If the cultural event did not exist they would not have spoofed it. Their targeting the issue is evidence that it is there.

Gang bangs having existed longer than hip hop disproves what exactly? It does not disprove the homoeroticism in hip hop. It does not invalidate all of the gay lyrics in hip hop, like for example those of a hyper masculine nature that use male rape as a means of expressing domination and superiority.

They were spoofing hip hop music at the time. A lot of 1 hit wonders and dance/snap music. They just used homosexuality for the comedic effect.

When others before hip hop engaged in gang bangs were there some underlying homoerotic tendencies among them? So why is that different with the hip hop culture?

Now you're talking about male rape? Bruh I'm getting uncomfortable now. How is this proving anything?

 

[RickyRich]

fuck these faggets . hiphop gone soft .

 

[LUClEN]

Songs about prison is not the same as their being an element of prison culture prevalent in hip hop...

It establishes that there is an element of prison in hip hop culture. Maybe I am drawing a connection between two things where there isn't one but in hip hop, and I should say exclusively rap, the idea of male rape is a means of displaying dominance. This is also the same in prison culture. I connect it to prison culture. Much as I would connect ideas about snitching to that same influence. What do you think the source is?

 

[LUClEN]

If the cultural event did not exist they would not have spoofed it. Their targeting the issue is evidence that it is there.

Gang bangs having existed longer than hip hop disproves what exactly? It does not disprove the homoeroticism in hip hop. It does not invalidate all of the gay lyrics in hip hop, like for example those of a hyper masculine nature that use male rape as a means of expressing domination and superiority.

They were spoofing hip hop music at the time. A lot of 1 hit wonders and dance/snap music. They just used homosexuality for the comedic effect.

When others before hip hop engaged in gang bangs were there some underlying homoerotic tendencies among them? So why is that different with the hip hop culture?

Now you're talking about male rape? Bruh I'm getting uncomfortable now. How is this proving anything?

The homoeroticism was funny because it was true.

When others before hip hop engaged in gang bangs it was absolutely homoerotic. Why wouldn't it be?

You're uncomfortable about the idea of male rape as it is very gay. But it is abundant in rap. It becomes less gay when you say it in a song?

 

[Meta_Conscious]

First of all, do u niggas even know what prison culture is?

Lol...

I keep forgetting y'all just being saying shit...

 

[LUClEN]

Just as culture exists outside prison it exists within it too, in the Language, values, norms, mores and so forth. There are rap artists that bring these to the genre.