Questions and Statements about God...

[VIBE]

It says wailing because the people who wrote it didnt know about a bodys nerves and therfore looked past the part that a spirit would not feel that fire so would not be crying. We also have no teeth once we leave our physical form, another point the writers didnt think through.

And what could happen in hell to make you say ohhhhh heaven please let me in!!!! I would like to know that. You could be delt no physical harm, and I cant think of any mental abuse that would drive you to eternal bad feelings.

It is what it says, if you want say non literal, well i argue your point with my own that this is a prophecy for Jews during the Hitler era, as where they were thrown into furnaces wailing and they were gnashing their teeth together to help deal with hunger.

You can prove that spirit has no teeth and no "feelings"??

 

[ThaChozenWun]

You can prove that spirit has no teeth and no "feelings"??

Can you prove that god is real? Can you prove that after we die we are granted a new body that can house a central nervous system and produce calcium? Somebody speaking on behalf of gods legitimacy has no reason to bring anything up asking for proof and for me to take the question seriously.

 

[VIBE]

Can you prove that god is real? Can you prove that after we die we are granted a new body that can house a central nervous system and produce calcium? Somebody speaking on behalf of gods legitimacy has no reason to bring anything up asking for proof and for me to take the question seriously.

Can I prove God is real? The proof has been around since the beginning of time. The proof is us, earth, nature, our planets, space, everything. It's up to you to realize the proof and take it for what it is.

How can you prove God is NOT real? You can't.

I can't give you God in the physical form and say, "Here He is, now tell 'em God!" That's the proof you want, everyone want's the "physical" God.

You've read the bible, the proof is there as well. It explains Him as he is everywhere.

I asked you a question and you thwart it with 2 other question, why? I answer you just now about God. Take it how YOU want it now.

I don't know on how a soul works, I don't know how and if it can house what our bodies do now. All I know about a soul is it cannot (in HEAVEN) thirst or be hungry. That's ALL I know. I know that in HELL, your body WILL thirst. Why? Because, hell is a place of torment. When in hell, you will feel torment, thirst, the gnashing of teeth. This isn't PEOPLE saying this, this is JESUS. Jesus explains hell.

*If it's not that big of a deal, I want to ask you..

How did you now all of a sudden STOP believing FULLY about NO GOD, NO HEAVEN, NO HELL etc??

 

[VIBE]

It's considered stealing, so sure. No sin is bigger, from stealing to murder in God's eyes. All treated the same, so yes. WTH kind of question was this?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Can I prove God is real? The proof has been around since the beginning of time. The proof is us, earth, nature, our planets, space, everything. It's up to you to realize the proof and take it for what it is.

Yes a debate, I love these. That does not prove he is real, we have observed explosions happening in space, new galaxies forming and disappearing. We don't know whats there because we have not been able to travel that far, but we have witnessed big bang like events happening. Nature, Us, the planets. All have other explanations that are just as plausible as a god. Just because you don't believe them because you think it was god, does not mean they are not, it simply means you don't believe in it.

How can you prove God is NOT real? You can't.

Again typical response, prove he aint real.... No your the one making the positive assessment. You prove he is real, not oh theres a earth and we dont know 100% for sure what made it so it has to be god.

I can't give you God in the physical form and say, "Here He is, now tell 'em God!" That's the proof you want, everyone want's the "physical" God.

No but their would be some sort of evidence in the form of physical evidence to claim positive proof to his books. No tombs found of Jesus, no artifacts, no outside of Christianity sources claiming he was some powerful being, no tombs from any of the disciples. The whole religion you follow has not one shred of evidence to support its claim in physical form. You would figure of all the people spoke about in the testaments, we would have found someones grave or artifacts by now considering how important they would have been.

You've read the bible, the proof is there as well. It explains Him as he is everywhere.

There are also numerous books before yours that claim their own gods, with the same amount of proof, nothing makes your any more real than those.

I asked you a question and you thwart it with 2 other question, why? I answer you just now about God. Take it how YOU want it now.

You made the claims that it's real, that's a positive statement. Your claiming to know the answers, so I asked you the questions. You responded first with a question that you yourself laid a positive claim to but have no real answer.

I don't know on how a soul works, I don't know how and if it can house what our bodies do now. All I know about a soul is it cannot (in HEAVEN) thirst or be hungry. That's ALL I know. I know that in HELL, your body WILL thirst. Why? Because, hell is a place of torment. When in hell, you will feel torment, thirst, the gnashing of teeth. This isn't PEOPLE saying this, this is JESUS. Jesus explains hell.

No a book explains something, the same as 100 books before it, a Jesus story thats described multiple times before your accepted one, 2000 years before in some cases. JRR Tolken tells stories, Steven Spielberg tells stories. None of wich you can show proof that they are unreal. But we know they arent because we personally know the writers exist and we can ask them questions. Until you can explain why your book is facual compared to any other book past or present I will not take you seriously on that subject of proof.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

It's considered stealing, so sure. No sin is bigger, from stealing to murder in God's eyes. All treated the same, so yes. WTH kind of question was this?

A reasonable question. If no sin is bigger than the next, anyone who listens to music would be considered a sinner.

 

[VIBE]

A reasonable question. If no sin is bigger than the next, anyone who listens to music would be considered a sinner.

Any music is a sin? Why?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Any music is a sin? Why?

Not any, completely free music is not a sin.

The Jesus you believe in though also spoke out against the rich, not just those with massive amounts of currency, but also including those who own things not important to living. Buying things like mp3 players, cds, music etc.. is spending on objects that you don't need in life. You want music you can create it yourself, you can attend events where people play for free. Buying music is an excessive materialistic way of life, which like I said, in the bible in Jesus' words would mean it's a sin. This is sort of what DoU brought up in his thread, God is not in support of spending on things we can get for free in life. Water, Music, whatever it may be, us paying to have it in some form outside of the original would be a sin.

 

[VIBE]

Not any, completely free music is not a sin.

The Jesus you believe in though also spoke out against the rich, not just those with massive amounts of currency, but also including those who own things not important to living. Buying things like mp3 players, cds, music etc.. is spending on objects that you don't need in life. You want music you can create it yourself, you can attend events where people play for free. Buying music is an excessive materialistic way of life, which like I said, in the bible in Jesus' words would mean it's a sin. This is sort of what DoU brought up in his thread, God is not in support of spending on things we can get for free in life. Water, Music, whatever it may be, us paying to have it in some form outside of the original would be a sin.

True. I can say though, if it's used for the good, i.e. "christian books , dvds, music" then I can see it as a positive because you're buying something that has relations to God, to get deeper with Him or whatever it may be.

I am not saying that's how I spend my money, I know I spend it bad. So in my case, I guess I spend sinfully. No porn or anything, but as in movies that come out on blu-ray, PS3 games, CD's that AREN'T ALL "Christian" etc etc...

I say, "Christian" though because I have to, I hate the word now lol I don't believe in my relationship with God in having a title. Jesus didn't teach religions, he just taught the word of God which is what I TRY my HARDEST to follow.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

True. I can say though, if it's used for the good, i.e. "christian books , dvds, music" then I can see it as a positive because you're buying something that has relations to God, to get deeper with Him or whatever it may be.

I am not saying that's how I spend my money, I know I spend it bad. So in my case, I guess I spend sinfully. No porn or anything, but as in movies that come out on blu-ray, PS3 games, CD's that AREN'T ALL "Christian" etc etc...

I say, "Christian" though because I have to, I hate the word now lol I don't believe in my relationship with God in having a title. Jesus didn't teach religions, he just taught the word of God which is what I TRY my HARDEST to follow.

So are you saying that you don't follow the bible 100% as it says you are to?
Even if its on gods side it would still be a sin, no sin is larger or less than the next.

I know you get sick of the questions, but im full of them. What is your take on the bible being outdated though? Truth is people wrote it, inspired by god or not people had to have put it in their words because some things wont apply to todays world. If you believe it was gods word, its safe to say he don't know the future. Which means now the bible would need to be re-written to accommodate today's people.

 

[VIBE]

Yes a debate, I love these. That does not prove he is real, we have observed explosions happening in space, new galaxies forming and disappearing. We don't know whats there because we have not been able to travel that far, but we have witnessed big bang like events happening. Nature, Us, the planets. All have other explanations that are just as plausible as a god. Just because you don't believe them because you think it was god, does not mean they are not, it simply means you don't believe in it.

Again typical response, prove he aint real.... No your the one making the positive assessment. You prove he is real, not oh theres a earth and we dont know 100% for sure what made it so it has to be god.

I don't believe in God just to believe in Him, I believe in Him because of what we have, how we have it, what exists. I do believe in the BBT, but not just it happened, I believe God created it. I believe it took YEARS to make. My belief in the "In the 1st day, 2nd day etc" was different in "days" to God. I don't believe it took a literal 7 days. However it happened, how many years etc I still believe God created it all.

No but their would be some sort of evidence in the form of physical evidence to claim positive proof to his books. No tombs found of Jesus, no artifacts, no outside of Christianity sources claiming he was some powerful being, no tombs from any of the disciples. The whole religion you follow has not one shred of evidence to support its claim in physical form. You would figure of all the people spoke about in the testaments, we would have found someones grave or artifacts by now considering how important they would have been.

How do you know his disciples were buried in tombs? Could've been in a different form. If they were in tombs, then how do we know we HAVEN'T came across them? Were there supposed to be signs to say, THIS MAN WAS JESUS DISCIPLE!! I'm sure that wouldn't have happened like that. You don't believe in the Dead Sea Scrolls being found as in being some type of evidence?

There are also numerous books before yours that claim their own gods, with the same amount of proof, nothing makes your any more real than those.

You made the claims that it's real, that's a positive statement. Your claiming to know the answers, so I asked you the questions. You responded first with a question that you yourself laid a positive claim to but have no real answer.

Yes, and all I can tell you as proof is the BIBLE and OURSELVES, NATURE, EARTH, SPACE etc. You haven't shown me there isn't a God and why. I cannot stand when someone like me asks you to "prove there isn't", and you say, "not my part to do so, you need to prove it to me". I see that as you cannot prove it period and you resort to that question to throw me off that subject. I want to know, how can there not be a God? I've answered to you the best I can, now you answer me.

No a book explains something, the same as 100 books before it, a Jesus story thats described multiple times before your accepted one, 2000 years before in some cases. JRR Tolken tells stories, Steven Spielberg tells stories. None of wich you can show proof that they are unreal. But we know they arent because we personally know the writers exist and we can ask them questions. Until you can explain why your book is facual compared to any other book past or present I will not take you seriously on that subject of proof.

Correct. I cannot argue you here about other BOOKS. The ONLY one that makes sense is the Bible itself, the one we are speaking of right now. The "christian" bible is the ONLY one that makes total sense.

I'll say, things the bible have me scratching my head. Things are hard to comprehend fully. Things sometimes don't make sense to me but that doesn't mean it isn't true. I just personally don't understand right now, later I will when I study it deep enough.

 

[VIBE]

So are you saying that you don't follow the bible 100% as it says you are to?

Even if its on gods side it would still be a sin, no sin is larger or less than the next.

I know you get sick of the questions, but im full of them. What is your take on the bible being outdated though? Truth is people wrote it, inspired by god or not people had to have put it in their words because some things wont apply to todays world. If you believe it was gods word, its safe to say he don't know the future. Which means now the bible would need to be re-written to accommodate today's people.

If how you're saying God doesn't want us to buy things that aren't necessary; i.e. tvs, computers, stereos, even cars then no I don't follow that standard. Am I saying I don't follow the bible 100%? Yes, I am saying that now. I don't. I would say I follow it right now around 50%. Not because I don't believe it, but because I'm trying to understand it. What does it mean literally and not.

The bible being out dated is a hard one. The bible does speak to THEM back in the day. It cannot literally be applied to us right now, because it was for them. But I feel now it's for us to see and follow. We seen the disbelief they went through and as to why they started believing Jesus was the Son of God.

I feel seriously people CAN deal without radios, tv, cars etc because they did back then and survived well enough to build extreme pyramids. I feel this entertainment technology totally takes our attention away from God. We don't follow like THEY did because of what we have.

We CAN deal without it, do we want to? No. Stupid but no. I know, I know, as a man of God I'm suppose to, or suppose to want to. Thing is we're spoiled under technology. I know we could live without it and if we did it would seriously be a better world but we can't because we choose to not live without it.

Hard stand point. Makes me think now that if we're not suppose to have these "luxuries" then no matter how I follow with my heart and faith, would I be rejected from heaven because of my luxuries?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I don't believe in God just to believe in Him, I believe in Him because of what we have, how we have it, what exists. I do believe in the BBT, but not just it happened, I believe God created it. I believe it took YEARS to make. My belief in the "In the 1st day, 2nd day etc" was different in "days" to God. I don't believe it took a literal 7 days. However it happened, how many years etc I still believe God created it all.

To me you aren't Christian. I believe personally you would be better off gathering historical accounts from every type of religious text and historical text available and make your theory from it. The bible doesn't help support a big bang theory and vice versa. You have your own theories, you just try to incorporate the bible into it because you dont want to say "well the bible has some things i believe but the rest of it sounds like BS." My guess is your afraid of going to hell for dismissing its complete authenticity.

How do you know his disciples were buried in tombs? Could've been in a different form. If they were in tombs, then how do we know we HAVEN'T came across them? Were there supposed to be signs to say, THIS MAN WAS JESUS DISCIPLE!! I'm sure that wouldn't have happened like that. You don't believe in the Dead Sea Scrolls being found as in being some type of evidence?
There are also numerous books before yours that claim their own gods, with the same amount of proof, nothing makes your any more real than those.

Tombs have records a good bit of times, the disciples of Jesus would definitely have had names in books of places they visited that had people sign, they would have had their tombs labeled in some way shape or form so we understood. Do you think Jesus' mother would just be thrown into a cave and no one consider that hole special and mark it? The dead sea scrolls don't support the entire bible or even half of it. I have my own theories on everything.

@ The bolded, that's my point. There are so many books claiming the truth since the beginning of writing, nothing makes the bible any more or any less positive in terms of truth than them. So why follow that book and dismiss the rest. You can't consider the bible 100% truth if you label them as equal because they tell different stories of it all.

Yes, and all I can tell you as proof is the BIBLE and OURSELVES, NATURE, EARTH, SPACE etc. You haven't shown me there isn't a God and why. I cannot stand when someone like me asks you to "prove there isn't", and you say, "not my part to do so, you need to prove it to me". I see that as you cannot prove it period and you resort to that question to throw me off that subject. I want to know, how can there not be a God? I've answered to you the best I can, now you answer me.

I never claimed a god doesn't exist. But I don't know, neither do you, or anyone else, what that god is. People with religion try to label him as a thinking thing as we are. When the most logical scenario is the creator of all is energy. As far as we understand it is not created nor destroyed, but it needs something to manifest it's self into to become physical and capable of thought. To me if god is the creator, then god is simply energy. It all created us, through the big bang, evolution, the universe, all creations and advancements using energy. But again, could a god exist? Absolutely we will never know until we die for sure, but i will say I'm 100% positive the bible is a product of mans mind.

Again though, dont ask me to prove the bible god isn't, you make the claim he exists, it's on you to prove without a shadow of a doubt he's real, that it was him not energy, the big bang etc... that started it all. You can't say the bible is 100% accurate and yet say you believe in the big bang or anything else.

Correct. I cannot argue you here about other BOOKS. The ONLY one that makes sense is the Bible itself, the one we are speaking of right now. The "christian" bible is the ONLY one that makes total sense.

I'll say, things the bible have me scratching my head. Things are hard to comprehend fully. Things sometimes don't make sense to me but that doesn't mean it isn't true. I just personally don't understand right now, later I will when I study it deep enough.

What makes sense that is not in other books explaining how it started just as well?
Have you read every other book and studied it extensively as you have the bible?

The bible makes perfect sense to me taken as an allegorical tale, but personally I no longer can read the bible as truth and say well this makes sense and is obviously holding more truth than anything else.

 

[VIBE]

To me you aren't Christian. I believe personally you would be better off gathering historical accounts from every type of religious text and historical text available and make your theory from it. The bible doesn't help support a big bang theory and vice versa. You have your own theories, you just try to incorporate the bible into it because you dont want to say "well the bible has some things i believe but the rest of it sounds like BS." My guess is your afraid of going to hell for dismissing its complete authenticity.

I no longer consider myself a Christian. I don't believe in having a title to believe in God. I am my own person and have my own relationship with Him. Jesus taught from God, from Himself, for the bible. I am doing the same. I won't take a title, that is a religion outlook.

Tombs have records a good bit of times, the disciples of Jesus would definitely have had names in books of places they visited that had people sign, they would have had their tombs labeled in some way shape or form so we understood. Do you think Jesus' mother would just be thrown into a cave and no one consider that hole special and mark it? The dead sea scrolls don't support the entire bible or even half of it. I have my own theories on everything.

@ The bolded, that's my point. There are so many books claiming the truth since the beginning of writing, nothing makes the bible any more or any less positive in terms of truth than them. So why follow that book and dismiss the rest. You can't consider the bible 100% truth if you label them as equal because they tell different stories of it all.

I see what you're saying but they wanted to not believe Jesus was the Son of God. They wanted and tried to discredit him as best they could, so why lay down his followers and family as the people who followed Jesus? They would only prove that Jesus was the Son of God and I know they wouldn't want that. Also lol that bolded is your comment, I just didn't group it with the quote because I wasn't paying attention.

I never claimed a god doesn't exist. But I don't know, neither do you, or anyone else, what that god is. People with religion try to label him as a thinking thing as we are. When the most logical scenario is the creator of all is energy. As far as we understand it is not created nor destroyed, but it needs something to manifest it's self into to become physical and capable of thought. To me if god is the creator, then god is simply energy. It all created us, through the big bang, evolution, the universe, all creations and advancements using energy. But again, could a god exist? Absolutely we will never know until we die for sure, but i will say I'm 100% positive the bible is a product of mans mind.

I can't describe how God is. God appeared as fire in a bush, he appeared as a bright light. He obviously can, if you want to say, "morph" or transfer Himself into whatever. He's more than energy. He's so Holy, so great he cannot be seen without you dying. He's too great and it is what it is. We'll see in the end right?

Again though, dont ask me to prove the bible god isn't, you make the claim he exists, it's on you to prove without a shadow of a doubt he's real, that it was him not energy, the big bang etc... that started it all. You can't say the bible is 100% accurate and yet say you believe in the big bang or anything else.

*shrugs* the bible doesn't disprove the BBT or prove it. I take it how I want to I guess then, whatever. It says in the beginning there was darkness. We can agree with that. Then God said, let there be light. The BBT says, THEN BANG! Bang = light. I only take it how I see it, I believe the BBT is God's creation. I believe science is right to an extent.

What makes sense that is not in other books explaining how it started just as well?

Have you read every other book and studied it extensively as you have the bible?

The bible makes perfect sense to me taken as an allegorical tale, but personally I no longer can read the bible as truth and say well this makes sense and is obviously holding more truth than anything else.

I feel that the bible explains it as, "there will be false gods before me, do not believe in them" type of verses. God knew there would be other stories of false gods, false books, false religions. He explains it. I take this bible as the one and only true one. I agree the bible does make sense in some cases as allegorical but also literal too as well. Many "Christians" will tell you the same too.

 

[VIBE]

Trolling...success.

PR = 1

ME = 0

lol

 

[janklow]

lookin at how every gospel song literally sounds like the last one

does god not like diversity?

god has STRYPER with which to mix it up

 

[TX_Made713]

this thread title made me laugh

 

[kingblaze84]

Losing faith in humanity as worst by a long shot. He can quit on god and life will remain the same, you quit on people your life goes down the drain.

Powerful post. Quitting on God has not affected Bill Gates at all, he may be the biggest winner life has ever gave birth to. And he's a straight up atheist. I'm no atheist, but I don't believe God or the gods (whatever) really give a fuck what most of us think about him or it. I've cursed God out several times in my life and I've been pretty cool so far.

 

[kingblaze84]

Hey H-Rap, why are you going to church? You joined the choir?

 

[KLICHE]

He blames God I blame her, she blames the guy...its madness.

If I tell him it will not only ruin our freindship but he will kill our other friend whit his girlfreind was cheating with.

He wont shave and he's been drinking and cursing the creator for "taking his sun", Im not a religious dude but this is the twist:



He will either lose faith in God or lose faith in humanity...which is worse??

This situation is really bad!! I feel for dude, cos I had a situation when was 21, slightly similar but not involving my girl cheating and that was what turned me to drink excessively for 2years EVERY day and evening if I could. Sometimes little and most times ALOT.

He may lose faith in both.. the girl took the abortion way without his knowledge.. so eventually lose faith in humanity for what he 'thinks' she went and did, and God. But i dunno man, wouldn't you want your friend to tell you if the shoe was on your foot???? I would.. yeah it'd flip you right out even more, but think of it this way, years down the line or months when the truth comes out, he will be seriously pissed with you also for holding it back on him. No easy way to say it, I think just saying it though is the right way