Questions and Statements about God...

[ThaChozenWun]

One must always remain objective when discussing human life. The fact is that people dropped clusterbombs on women,children,elderly etc(US military, from Iraq to Vietnam) just because someone else ordered them to, chauvinistic,patriotic,nationalistic etc what ever the fuck type of ideology/belief moved them to kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.

If you are truelly concerned about the well being of humans in general and look at murder and abuse in a historic & objective point of view it makes no sense to hate on religion. It are the people that should be blamed. I don't blame the United States for the slaughter of Iraq, I blame the individuels, the fucking cowards that actually ordered to drop the bombs and the fellas that actually did drop the bomb.

In the end it's always about the individuel, it is always about YOU. Them does not exist, motherfuck them. There are many people who live good lifes that are religious, it makes no sense to generalize and deep down inside you know it.

You know what the problem is? brothers like you. A chick could carry the world on her back, do all things right. You look up to her and even want to be like her or with her. when you ask what shse is she sees 'christian'. At that point your hate comes up and start to point out all the things you feel is wrong with christianity......totally ignoring the truth in front of you, ignoring that everybody has their own perception/view, what to her is christian isn't for you but as long as see lives so great because of it...why hate on the good thing>?

for every religious folk killing people I kind find you a non-religious cat killing people and do humanity wrong. don't let your assumptions/illusions you grown accustomed to let you blind you from the truth, your not wise, your not spreading truth, your just being intolerant towards your own obvioulsy intellectual open and free mind.

Im married to a christian woman who visits church on a regulaur bases. But she also believes in science and that we are able to control our own destiny. Its not christians that upset me, its the ones who act as if science is not real, that complain about stem cell research because its "gods job" the ones who try to pray away global warming rather than do something to fix it, the ones who let god deal with everything and thats it, those are the ones I hate. Dont judge those unless you know them. And have you read my posts, Ive said without religion there would still be killing, but a vast majority would not, without religion alot of wars would have not been thought of, billions more of lives have died at the hand of religious exteremists.

 

[tri3w]

Im married to a christian woman who visits church on a regulaur bases. But she also believes in science and that we are able to control our own destiny. Its not christians that upset me, its the ones who act as if science is not real, that complain about stem cell research because its "gods job" the ones who try to pray away global warming rather than do something to fix it, the ones who let god deal with everything and thats it, those are the ones I hate. Dont judge those unless you know them. And have you read my posts, Ive said without religion there would still be killing, but a vast majority would not, without religion alot of wars would have not been thought of, billions more of lives have died at the hand of religious exteremists.

Wow, u must have real interesting Dinner Convos lol...........Anyway, Like i said b4, U cant blame REligon For those who misuse it and Extremist. u have Sickos and Crazys all over the place..........its like blaming hiphop for inner City Violence

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Wow, u must have real interesting Dinner Convos lol...........Anyway, Like i said b4, U cant blame REligon For those who misuse it and Extremist. u have Sickos and Crazys all over the place..........its like blaming hiphop for inner City Violence

\Why would we speak about religion at dinner when life is much more than a book?

I do think hiphop has alot to do with it. They have put an image into the youths brain that gangbangin. fuckin mad bitches, sellin dope, and killin niggas is the normal. Im sorry but anyone who thinks hiphop hasnt effected the way todays youth acts are lost in fantasy worlds and must think no one is responsible for the world that sorrounds you.

From when I grew up until now (the time hiphop really took off) shit done changed to somethin thousands of time worst than it was. When I was young people wanted out of poverty and gang violence, kids now want to glorify it and make sure it happens

 

[theillestrator]

\Why would we speak about religion at dinner when life is much more than a book?

I do think hiphop has alot to do with it. They have put an image into the youths brain that gangbangin. fuckin mad bitches, sellin dope, and killin niggas is the normal. Im sorry but anyone who thinks hiphop hasnt effected the way todays youth acts are lost in fantasy worlds and must think no one is responsible for the world that sorrounds you.
From when I grew up until now (the time hiphop really took off) shit done changed to somethin thousands of time worst than it was. When I was young people wanted out of poverty and gang violence, kids now want to glorify it and make sure it happens

i agree. and i definitely think that you can blame religion for those who misuse it, because it is made up tales/prophecies claiming to be truth.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Because to me people believing that their God is the right one is harmful to people outside of their religion. Yes other beliefs are harmful, but to say the belief in bettering the world, or the belief that everyone is equal is just as deadly as religious views in non sense.

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You firmly hold the belief that those whose beliefs that are in opposition of your own are dangerous,

yet you fail to see the danger in your own thinking, because you have predjudiced yourself against the other that doesnt think as you. THAT IS WHAT IS DANGEROUS, not this whole God thing.

"Why belief in "_____" is dangerous to humanity." I cant think of atleast 10 things off top that can go in that space.

" Why belief is dangerous to humanity." Is a more unbiased presentation for debate.Do you need to believe in a tree for the tree to exist?

Do you need to believe in your arm, for your arm to exist? No, those are just facts, that require no belief to make them real.

Belief is a projection on the mind or of the mind of what it would like to be true, like a false illusion to the one projecting the thought/belief,

and can look like a delusion to the one on the receiving end of that thought/belief.

I could call you delusional for your belief that hip hop is the cause of the troubled youth of today, because you

have no solid proof to substantiate that belief. Its just how you feel about it, that doesnt make it true though.

Beliefs are not facts, though we delude ourselves into thinking they are, but it still doesnt change the fact though.

It is not the thing that creates danger, it is the projection of the human mind onto such thing that makes it dangerous.

 

[TX_Made713]

If humanity is soo corrupt now a days instead of the apocolypse why doesnt he just send a new Jesus down to earth to spread the gospel once again? this would clear up the confusion on all these different religions as people could communicate with God directly....a lot of injured people could be healed, sick could be cured, etc

so whats up?

 

[VIBE]

You firmly hold the belief that those whose beliefs that are in opposition of your own are dangerous,

yet you fail to see the danger in your own thinking, because you have predjudiced yourself against the other that doesnt think as you. THAT IS WHAT IS DANGEROUS, not this whole God thing.

"Why belief in "_____" is dangerous to humanity." I cant think of atleast 10 things off top that can go in that space.

" Why belief is dangerous to humanity." Is a more unbiased presentation for debate.Do you need to believe in a tree for the tree to exist?

Do you need to believe in your arm, for your arm to exist? No, those are just facts, that require no belief to make them real.

Belief is a projection on the mind or of the mind of what it would like to be true, like a false illusion to the one projecting the thought/belief,

and can look like a delusion to the one on the receiving end of that thought/belief.

I could call you delusional for your belief that hip hop is the cause of the troubled youth of today, because you

have no solid proof to substantiate that belief. Its just how you feel about it, that doesnt make it true though.

Beliefs are not facts, though we delude ourselves into thinking they are, but it still doesnt change the fact though.

It is not the thing that creates danger, it is the projection of the human mind onto such thing that makes it dangerous.

Well put. Don't alien conspiracy believers wanna do strange things to humanity as well? Thinking they're gonna come?

 

[Chike]

lol oh there's no doubt in my mind Jesus would get crusified/assassinated today had he come down speaking out to people against this madness taking place in the world. Look what they did to all the people who ever spoke out and reached too many people for the comfort of the higher ups.... murdered.

 

[VIBE]

Well, maybe not ANOTHER Jesus. But why send Jesus THEN? Back then. What was so bad then that He needed to be there, why not wait until TODAYS world and send him. Today is when people are more corrupt, evil etc than back then. God appeared to the people of then through fire, sky etc so they believed. I've yet to hear about an appearance from God today so why not send Jesus today to speak to us? I would say todays world is in more need of a visual miracle Jesus than back then.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:1-2

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

God has spoken once and for all. Jesus Christ is the end all be all. The next time God speaks He will speak with judgment, fire, and brimstone.

 

[The GMW]

You are right...it doesn't matter whether God is rejected or not, but you still would have to know what everyone's perception of suffering is and attitudes towards it. You are assuming that everyone who suffering has a bad attitude towards it. Let's say God didn't exist. How would suffering be dealt with?

There are a lot of lessons learned in suffering. To think that every tragedy is met with defiance is discriminating against those who have gone through the fire and come out stronger.

Why would I have to know what everyone's perception of/attitude toward suffering is? I am not making any assumptions that apply to every individual in the world. I am not saying that every tragedy is met with defiance toward God, and in fact defiance toward God is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making. If anyone, even one single person, has ever experienced a tragic event and been worse off for it, then my point is valid. No one should ever have to suffer if there is an omnipotent and compassionate god. There is no compassion in making a person suffer needlessly, and if God is all-powerful he would never have any reason to make anyone suffer unless he wants to see suffering purely for its own sake. In the cases in which suffering eventually leads to good, he could simply bring about the positive effects and omit the suffering, if he is truly all-powerful.

 

[Chike]

Well, maybe not ANOTHER Jesus. But why send Jesus THEN? Back then. What was so bad then that He needed to be there, why not wait until TODAYS world and send him. Today is when people are more corrupt, evil etc than back then. God appeared to the people of then through fire, sky etc so they believed. I've yet to hear about an appearance from God today so why not send Jesus today to speak to us? I would say todays world is in more need of a visual miracle Jesus than back then.

Actually, we still living in Rome.. the same Rome of so-called Jesus time only upgraded and called something different. This is still Rome, the empire, it's called Western civilization now. They try to make people believe Rome fell, but it really didn't.

 

[TX_Made713]

God has spoken once and for all. Jesus Christ is the end all be all. The next time God speaks He will speak with judgment, fire, and brimstone.

I thought god wasnt a killer?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I thought god wasnt a killer?

Same thing I always ask, if god isnt a killer, why is it that he is always killing and why did he set a date to end everyone

 

[alissowack]

Why would I have to know what everyone's perception of/attitude toward suffering is? I am not making any assumptions that apply to every individual in the world. I am not saying that every tragedy is met with defiance toward God, and in fact defiance toward God is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making. If anyone, even one single person, has ever experienced a tragic event and been worse off for it, then my point is valid. No one should ever have to suffer if there is an omnipotent and compassionate god. There is no compassion in making a person suffer needlessly, and if God is all-powerful he would never have any reason to make anyone suffer unless he wants to see suffering purely for its own sake. In the cases in which suffering eventually leads to good, he could simply bring about the positive effects and omit the suffering, if he is truly all-powerful.

So all of suffering is needless to you? There are people who don't believe in God that would feel differently about that. Suffering is going to be around whether God exists or not. Without struggle, there wouldn't be any progress. If we don't know what it's like to fail, how do we know what to do to succeed?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

So all of suffering is needless to you? There are people who don't believe in God that would feel differently about that. Suffering is going to be around whether God exists or not. Without struggle, there wouldn't be any progress. If we don't know what it's like to fail, how do we know what to do to succeed?

Im athiest and Ill agree with that, suffering is arguably the most important thing in life, through suffering thats how you learn to acually live life and how to treat others. If you havent felt the pain of suffering how could you feel for anyone who is? I dont believe there is suffering with people who truly believe in religion because they should have accepted the fact that "God" is the one causing it. And as you said without failure there wouldnt be no sucess, we wouldnt feel the joy we do over the good things. A life without suffering would be a life of nothing but emptyness.

 

[The GMW]

So all of suffering is needless to you? There are people who don't believe in God that would feel differently about that. Suffering is going to be around whether God exists or not. Without struggle, there wouldn't be any progress. If we don't know what it's like to fail, how do we know what to do to succeed?

My point concerns suffering that does not lead to good. Kids being raped, and consequently becoming psychologically devastated for the rest of their lives. Parents who have to watch their elementary-school aged kids die of cancer. A god who allows (or causes, depending on your point of view) these things to happen is simply not compassionate.

As for suffering that does lead to good, you might contend that it exists for a reason, but think about the concept of heaven. There is no suffering there, yet you would not call a life in heaven empty and meaningless, you would call it perfect and ideal. If it can happen there, then you cannot say that there can't be pleasure without suffering.

 

[alissowack]

My point concerns suffering that does not lead to good. Kids being raped, and consequently becoming psychologically devastated for the rest of their lives. Parents who have to watch their elementary-school aged kids die of cancer. A god who allows (or causes, depending on your point of view) these things to happen is simply not compassionate.

As for suffering that does lead to good, you might contend that it exists for a reason, but think about the concept of heaven. There is no suffering there, yet you would not call a life in heaven empty and meaningless, you would call it perfect and ideal. If it can happen there, then you cannot say that there can't be pleasure without suffering.

How do you know that every kid that has been raped is devastated for the rest of their lives? There are victims of rape that would feel differently about that as well. Some have used their hurts and pains of being raped as a means to show they can function despite of it; be a positive representative for the cause. Virtually every form of suffering, there is somebody trying to showing that they are not going to let their sufferings hender their wills to do good.

As far as Heaven goes, the issue of suffering is not physical.

 

[The GMW]

How do you know that every kid that has been raped is devastated for the rest of their lives? There are victims of rape that would feel differently about that as well. Some have used their hurts and pains of being raped as a means to show they can function despite of it; be a positive representative for the cause. Virtually every form of suffering, there is somebody trying to showing that they are not going to let their sufferings hender their wills to do good.

As far as Heaven goes, the issue of suffering is not physical.

I don't know why you are fixated on this idea that I'm talking about everyone -- every rape victim, every quadriplegic, etc. I'm not. I'm talking about those people who are devastated for the rest of their lives. What about the children who do suffer lifelong psychological devastation? The people for which no positive outcome ever follows their suffering? Those are the people I'm talking about. Why would a compassionate god let people's lives become living hells through no fault of their own?

And are you implying that people suffer emotionally or psychologically in heaven?