Questions and Statements about God...

[TX_Made713]

This could very well be the most idiotic thread I've ever read in my life. Followers of Christs' true teaching never did any of the things mentioned in this thread. If you think some wacky "pro pollution" secretary of the interior from 20 yeras ago is an accurate representation of Bible believers.......you're one socially inept baffoon !

PEACE

whats up with you and the cobra avatar?

 

[alissowack]

It doesn't matter whether the sufferer rejects God or not, and I don't have to know what "suffering" entails for each and every person in the world. As long as anyone suffers, even if it's one person, God is a sadist, because it is entirely up to him whether or not suffering exists. There are people who can deal with the death of a child, and then there are people who never recover, spending the rest of their lives in a state of deep depression and emotional torment. If even one person has to endure that, God is not truly compassionate.

You are right...it doesn't matter whether God is rejected or not, but you still would have to know what everyone's perception of suffering is and attitudes towards it. You are assuming that everyone who suffering has a bad attitude towards it. Let's say God didn't exist. How would suffering be dealt with?

There are a lot of lessons learned in suffering. To think that every tragedy is met with defiance is discriminating against those who have gone through the fire and come out stronger.

 

[janklow]

I could bring up thousands of wars cause solely by religion itself and only religion.

there is seriously NO war you're ever going to mention that's "caused solely by religion itself and only religion." because it's not like greed is ever removed.
Hitler wouldn't have slaughtered Jews without his religion? you're overstating his religion (i predict a labeling of him as Christian which won't be half-accurate) and understating the way he used Jews as a scapegoat.
the Towers would never have been blown up without religion? well, that wasn't the war, although i know you claim it started it. but the war in Afghanistan was caused ONLY by religion? the history doesn't go back past the 9/11 attacks and into more secular areas?

also, you threw in WWI there and i am DYING to hear how that was caused by religion.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

there is seriously NO war you're ever going to mention that's "caused solely by religion itself and only religion." because it's not like greed is ever removed.

Hitler wouldn't have slaughtered Jews without his religion? you're overstating his religion (i predict a labeling of him as Christian which won't be half-accurate) and understating the way he used Jews as a scapegoat.

the Towers would never have been blown up without religion? well, that wasn't the war, although i know you claim it started it. but the war in Afghanistan was caused ONLY by religion? the history doesn't go back past the 9/11 attacks and into more secular areas?

also, you threw in WWI there and i am DYING to hear how that was caused by religion.

Ok ill give it to you it wasnt solely religion but also greed, however that greed was derived from religious beliefs. Yes there are wars where greed itself and money are main purposes but the majority it is greed invoked by religious views. And yes Hitler wouldnt have because through religion he assumed the Aryan race was the true race based on what he believed Jesus looked like, in his eyes Jesus was Aryan and he needed to rid the world of those who werent for his god. When he was asked about why he was doing the lords work he said "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.". Being a believer in the bible, he also held jews responsible for the kiiling of his messiah. How would him being a christian only be half right? He was raised Roman Catholic then converted fully to christianity once he came to power in Germany?

As for world war 1, Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated by a group called the Black Hand, this group was basically Athiest and Ferdinand had put out memos to contain the group and imprison the members for not believing and trying to go against his religion. Because of the hit put on them basically the Black Hand assassinated him before his plan would follow through, this is what in turn set off world war 1. So again stop calling me out on shit until you do your own research stop speakin out of your ass.

 

[tri3w]

Really, the Afgan war, world war 2, world war 1, the wars over Isreal and the Gaza Strip, the mass slaughtering of the Templars after they were created by Christians to go to war and recapture Solomons temple. I could bring up thousands of wars cause solely by religion itself and only religion. I dont understand how people fighting for which land they believe god was would still happen there would be no reason or thought of it. Hitler would not slaughtered and imprisoned the Jews without his religion, The towers would have never been blown up hence us not bothering Afghanistan, you could argue that Iraq was brought forth as a result of this as well. Your mind is just trained by preachers and the media to only see Islam as this evil religion when in fact your religion is just as evil.

lol like i said..............just the Exucse Used lol.............the only Real "Religon" war thats being Fought is in Israel, personallly i think its more Racsim than anything, but wateva........man wiil always Fight wars, Fightin 4 ones God is just another excuse.............To blame Religon is just tjhe opposite end off the extreme irrationality that has Caused the 9/11 attacks, the Crusades and other things

sidenote..............WWI and WWII had nothing to Due with Religon homie

 

[ThaChozenWun]

lol like i said..............just the Exucse Used lol.............the only Real "Religon" war thats being Fought is in Israel, personallly i think its more Racsim than anything, but wateva........man wiil always Fight wars, Fightin 4 ones God is just another excuse.............

sidenote..............WWI and WWII had nothing to Due with Religon homie

Read what I wrote above, do your research, present me with this proof that it had nothing to do with it, that hitler did not clearly state Jesus was Aryan thats why he wanted to rid the world of everything non full aryan, that the black hand did not murder the Archduke of Austria and present me with this proof and I will admit that you are right.

 

[tri3w]

Read what I wrote above, do your research, present me with this proof that it had nothing to do with it, that hitler did not clearly state Jesus was Aryan thats why he wanted to rid the world of everything non full aryan, that the black hand did not murder the Archduke of Austria and present me with this proof and I will admit that you are right.

So ur Citing a Conspiracy Theory as proof...............ok........... Well the burden of Proof is on u; please if u may Post articles of some sort

 

[ThaChozenWun]

So ur Citing a Conspiracy Theory as proof...............ok........... Well the burden of Proof is on u; please if u may Post articles of some sort

http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/blk-hand.html

 

[tri3w]

http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/blk-hand.html

 

[ThaChozenWun]

First off thanks for Postin the Articles, 2nd off............the Hilter parts, thats basicly proving my point, using Religon as Propaganda. Do know his Real objective??? Seriously, World Domination. He was Gonna Take over Europe (Which he almost Did). but he wasnt gonna Stop there.......he had Afica and AMerica in hios sights too..............This was his Tru objective, Personally I dont think He even Believed in God or anything. He used it as a Tool for Propaganda, to hate The jews. He aslo created his own Religon, For the "Aryan Race" and dubbed in to the occult also. Dude wasnt a Christian, Do u really think killin 6 million people (ANd planing to Kill 100s of millions more) is SOmething jesus Would Do???

Yes but his plan originated through religion, Anyone who wasnt purely Aryan had to be destroyed in his eyes because he viewed Jesus as white as he is portrayed now. This ment everyone including those in Africa who werent fully Aryan and so on... The Jews were first not only because they werent Aryan but because he also held them responsible for killing the Messiah. Now toward the end yes I do believe he got power hungry and wanted complete domination for his own satisfaction but without religious beliefs theres a strong case he may not have even started the slaughtering of Jews, or anyone else not his race. He is not the first to carry out evil acts based on their belief in God, people do these because they believe they are the chosen ones and sent out on behalf of god to do his work. And yes I do believe it is something Jesus would do if these people were the ones who killed him. God was said to have slaughtered thousands of Egyptians it says this in the bible. He murders every day with natural disasters. If you dont believe he causes these natural disasters then you believe in scientific study which is contradicting the bible and therfore a sin. He is going to kill everyone not Christian in the end, so yes I do think it is something Jesus would do.

 

[tri3w]

Yes but his plan originated through religion, Anyone who wasnt purely Aryan had to be destroyed in his eyes because he viewed Jesus as white as he is portrayed now. This ment everyone including those in Africa who werent fully Aryan and so on... The Jews were first not only because they werent Aryan but because he also held them responsible for killing the Messiah. Now toward the end yes I do believe he got power hungry and wanted complete domination for his own satisfaction but without religious beliefs theres a strong case he may not have even started the slaughtering of Jews, or anyone else not his race. He is not the first to carry out evil acts based on their belief in God, people do these because they believe they are the chosen ones and sent out on behalf of god to do his work. And yes I do believe it is something Jesus would do if these people were the ones who killed him. God was said to have slaughtered thousands of Egyptians it says this in the bible. He murders every day with natural disasters. If you dont believe he causes these natural disasters then you believe in scientific study which is contradicting the bible and therfore a sin. He is going to kill everyone not Christian in the end, so yes I do think it is something Jesus would do.

Fam............he wanted power, he seen a Way to Obtain it.............Religon or not............Hilter woulda been a mass murder..........To blame Religon For this is jsut blame Crazy...........

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Fam............he wanted power, he seen a Way to Obtain it.............Religon or not............Hilter woulda been a mass murder..........To blame Religon For this is jsut blame Crazy...........

Your not understanding, he wanted power to carry out his plan. How would he exterminate everyone who wasnt Aryan without being a powerful leader. Him getting a group of friends together isnt going to cut it. Even before he became the dictator of Germany he was open about his views on the subject, if he thought it before he came to power then why would he not carry it out? And Ill roll with your theory for a moment, say no matter what this was him he wanted complete control for his own enjoyment. Without religion there would have been no propaganda to really call for the extermination of everyone, in that case alot of those who were Christian and believed it would have had a free thinking mind and realized what he was trying and would not have followed his cause. He may of still killed yes but it would have been nowhere close to the number it was. If this is not something Jesus would do btw, why did Hitler pull it off, Im sorry but if god was so against this mass slaughter he has the power to stop it and would have. Again this is a contradiction, how is someone all powerful and against these acts yet allows them to happen to innocent people time after time? Im not trying to sway you im really not but I present proof and do research before I speak on it. Ive spent the last 7 years of my life going back and forth looking for why I should believe the bible and the more and more I go through proof and facts and history the more I see the harm in ,multiple religions with no proof either is the right one, and on top of that the more contradictions and the more science proves the less and less likely religion is looking like truth to me. IMO yes there is a higher power, wether it is a god or someone in one of the other billion galaxies I have no idea thats why im searching but as for certain religions there are to many wrongs in each for any to be right. The story of God sending a son to Earth, born of a virgin, dying for our sins and ressurecting has been told multiple times before Jesus was proven to exist, yes he was a real man but there is no proof he was anything other than just a man. All you have to base your belief in is a book written at least 70 years after his death (the gospels very between 70ad-246ad one of the lost gospels acually being the earliest). I will go by Hitlers own words what happened, yes it could be propaganda but either way religion played a factor that is not disputable.

 

[Alkindus]

Crusades, Inquisitions, the battle for solomons temple, the killing of innocent Egyptian babies, the slaughter of animals not to eat but just to wipe their blood on stuff, the killing of abortion doctors are these not acts by people of Christianity, I think these are very well the acts of true followers.

One must always remain objective when discussing human life. The fact is that people dropped clusterbombs on women,children,elderly etc(US military, from Iraq to Vietnam) just because someone else ordered them to, chauvinistic,patriotic,nationalistic etc what ever the fuck type of ideology/belief moved them to kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.

If you are truelly concerned about the well being of humans in general and look at murder and abuse in a historic & objective point of view it makes no sense to hate on religion. It are the people that should be blamed. I don't blame the United States for the slaughter of Iraq, I blame the individuels, the fucking cowards that actually ordered to drop the bombs and the fellas that actually did drop the bomb.

In the end it's always about the individuel, it is always about YOU. Them does not exist, motherfuck them. There are many people who live good lifes that are religious, it makes no sense to generalize and deep down inside you know it.

You know what the problem is? brothers like you. A chick could carry the world on her back, do all things right. You look up to her and even want to be like her or with her. when you ask what shse is she sees 'christian'. At that point your hate comes up and start to point out all the things you feel is wrong with christianity......totally ignoring the truth in front of you, ignoring that everybody has their own perception/view, what to her is christian isn't for you but as long as see lives so great because of it...why hate on the good thing>?

for every religious folk killing people I kind find you a non-religious cat killing people and do humanity wrong. don't let your assumptions/illusions you grown accustomed to let you blind you from the truth, your not wise, your not spreading truth, your just being intolerant towards your own obvioulsy intellectual open and free mind.

 

[J. Rob]

One must always remain objective when discussing human life. The fact is that people dropped clusterbombs on women,children,elderly etc(US military, from Iraq to Vietnam) just because someone else ordered them to, chauvinistic,patriotic,nationalistic etc what ever the fuck type of ideology/belief moved them to kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.

If you are truelly concerned about the well being of humans in general and look at murder and abuse in a historic & objective point of view it makes no sense to hate on religion. It are the people that should be blamed. I don't blame the United States for the slaughter of Iraq, I blame the individuels, the fucking cowards that actually ordered to drop the bombs and the fellas that actually did drop the bomb.

In the end it's always about the individuel, it is always about YOU. Them does not exist, motherfuck them. There are many people who live good lifes that are religious, it makes no sense to generalize and deep down inside you know it.

You know what the problem is? brothers like you. A chick could carry the world on her back, do all things right. You look up to her and even want to be like her or with her. when you ask what shse is she sees 'christian'. At that point your hate comes up and start to point out all the things you feel is wrong with christianity......totally ignoring the truth in front of you, ignoring that everybody has their own perception/view, what to her is christian isn't for you but as long as see lives so great because of it...why hate on the good thing>?

for every religious folk killing people I kind find you a non-religious cat killing people and do humanity wrong. don't let your assumptions/illusions you grown accustomed to let you blind you from the truth, your not wise, your not spreading truth, your just being intolerant towards your own obvioulsy intellectual open and free mind.

powerful post....people kill people because they want to. Religion is just an excuse for them to do it.

I'd understand this thinking if the majority of religious folks were violent people, but that's not the case. It's usually one nutjob like Hilter or Bin Laden who convices a group of easily brainwashed people into doing some crazy ass shit

 

[Shuffington]

Absolutism is the true source to recklessness and just total irresponsibility. Its not that people are religious, Is the fact that they blindly believe it to be the absolute truth regardless of any new found evidence that contradicts their claims. Faith can be a dangerous thought process.

But you can say that Patriotism ... Racisim ... sexism.... Its all founded on the premise of absolutism. Its mans way to preserve an identity.

 

[Hyde Parke]

why stop at God? Y do people hold beliefs of any kind? They can all be dangerous, according to how much effort man puts into excercising of

such belief.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

powerful post....people kill people because they want to. Religion is just an excuse for them to do it.

I'd understand this thinking if the majority of religious folks were violent people, but that's not the case. It's usually one nutjob like Hilter or Bin Laden who convices a group of easily brainwashed people into doing some crazy ass shit

I agree with this line but its also the same thing that the men who wrote the bible did, they brainwashed a large group of people into doing they things they shouldnt, Christians have slaughters millions of people, Islam is obvious what people have done, my point is without religion its alot harder to brainwash somebody. Humans are naturally curious creatures who want to find the truth about things. If someone takes lines out of the bible which are considered the exact words of god, then people who also follow that faith will believe those are gods words and everything the man is saying to them is true. With Hitler most of Germany followed him because he pointed out things to them about Jesus that they believed were true based on scripture and verses. Yea Germany rebuilding a country was looking for a strong leader but he may of never even had gotten to power without using religion.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Absolutism is the true source to recklessness and just total irresponsibility. Its not that people are religious, Is the fact that they blindly believe it to be the absolute truth regardless of any new found evidence that contradicts their claims. Faith can be a dangerous thought process.

But you can say that Patriotism ... Racisim ... sexism.... Its all founded on the premise of absolutism. Its mans way to preserve an identity.

Exactly, even things people claim are not religions works ex. patriotism, racism, sexism these are things that are brought about because of religious beliefs. I have no issue with people who are religious but also accept that science is real, those people have common sensem, its the idiots who think science is devils work and dont believe anything shown with concrete evidence, the same people who dont realize the bible contradicts itself repeatedly are the same ones who will carry out deadly things in the belief that they are doing gods work.

 

[tri3w]

powerful post....people kill people because they want to. Religion is just an excuse for them to do it.

I'd understand this thinking if the majority of religious folks were violent people, but that's not the case. It's usually one nutjob like Hilter or Bin Laden who convices a group of easily brainwashed people into doing some crazy ass shit

CoSIgn..........PEople Reallyd ont need an Excuse to commit Atrocites, We Cant blame Religon, u have wackos all over the Places

 

[ThaChozenWun]

why stop at God? Y do people hold beliefs of any kind? They can all be dangerous, according to how much effort man puts into excercising of

such belief.

Because to me people believing that their God is the right one is harmful to people outside of their religion. Yes other beliefs are harmful, but to say the belief in bettering the world, or the belief that everyone is equal is just as deadly as religious views in non sense.

Just as with religion, people believe in false fronts because they want to believe there is more, they want comfort in a belief that some great creator is looking after them, they want to believe that when you die you just dont rot in a box. Its a drug it helps people block out reality and live in a fantasy world. Some people cant cope with the fact we are here for only a short time of the Earths period. We live but a microsecond in Earths life, Eventually this planet will be drained of what she has given us, eventually the sun will burn out and we will die. By the time these things happen we may have the ability to explore other ways of living, we may discover the ability to get to other galaxies and inhabit those planets, but with religion its alot harder and slower of a process. These people think we should just sit back and let god deal with everything and thats very harmful to society as a whole.