Questions and Statements about God...

[CapitalB]

Believers love the Lord because He first loved us. Rewards are given based on our faithfulness to the Lord in this lifetime. So it's not about serving the Lord based on rewards, it's about serving the Lord based on our love for Him.

Also, There is no fear of punishment for the believer. Salvation saves us from our sins and the consquences of our sin. The wrath of God no longer abides on the believer becuase we have been washed in the blood of Christ. So there is nothing to fear if you are in Christ. Only the lost have something to fear because the wrath of God abides on them forever, which will be felt for all eternity in the lake of fire.

im not gonna go back and fourth with u cause its no point.. we've danced this dance many a times.. but i will say im proud ur not copy and pasting bible verses to make a point..
in saying that ur whole argument reaks of fear... u make god sound so gruesome and brutal.. and u feel safe cause u chose to side with him... thats my whole argument.. ur afraid of god, and all ur sayin is ur with him so because of that u dont have to be.. u dont see the coercion?? what am i sayin.. of course u dont!

thanx for ur input Heaven... lets see if anyone else wants to speak on the topic at hand..

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

im not gonna go back and fourth with u cause its no point.. we've danced this dance many a times.. but i will say im proud ur not copy and pasting bible verses to make a point..
in saying that ur whole argument reaks of fear... u make god sound so gruesome and brutal.. and u feel safe cause u chose to side with him... thats my whole argument.. ur afraid of god, and all ur sayin is ur with him so because of that u dont have to be.. u dont see the coercion?? what am i sayin.. of course u dont!

thanx for ur input Heaven... lets see if anyone else wants to speak on the topic at hand..

"The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility." Proverbs 15:33

 

[The GMW]

One thing I don't want to suggest that you don't ask questions, but this is a question that you won't get a satisfying answer. Giving that God is infinite, do you think that maybe there are some things that can't be understood anyway? You talk about God being loving and compassionate as if to say you know what His Love and His Compassion suppose to looks like. A Christian doesn't know what God's Love and Compassion is suppose to look like. And would it be fair to say what anybody's love or compassion looks like?

By definition, a compassionate being is averse to the suffering of other beings. An omnipotent god who demands suffering clearly is not suffering-averse. Thus, such a god can't possibly be compassionate. There is nothing hard to understand about that. Compassion cannot "look like" anything except what it is.

 

[alissowack]

By definition, a compassionate being is averse to the suffering of other beings. An omnipotent god who demands suffering clearly is not suffering-averse. Thus, such a god can't possibly be compassionate. There is nothing hard to understand about that. Compassion cannot "look like" anything except what it is.

You read a textbook definition on compassion and it makes you an expert? I could post scripture on what love is, but doesn't mean I'm an expert on love. Suffering is not all bad. It may hurt, but it is not all bad giving in context of a greater good coming out of suffering.

 

[The GMW]

You read a textbook definition on compassion and it makes you an expert? I could post scripture on what love is, but doesn't mean I'm an expert on love. Suffering is not all bad. It may hurt, but it is not all bad giving in context of a greater good coming out of suffering.

I don't have to be an "expert" on compassion to know what it is and what it isn't (in fact, I'm not sure that there is such a thing as a compassion "expert"). If something goes directly against the definition of compassion, then it is not compassion. The word "compassion" becomes meaningless if you try to include its opposite in its definition.

A god who designs a world in which greater good comes out of suffering is not truly compassionate. If he were, he would have brought about the "greater good" and left the suffering out. If he has any desire to see his creations suffer -- and he must, if he is omnipotent and suffering exists -- then he is not truly compassionate. If there is an all-powerful god, then there is absolutely no reason for anything to suffer unless that god likes to see suffering for its own sake.

 

[alissowack]

I don't have to be an "expert" on compassion to know what it is and what it isn't (in fact, I'm not sure that there is such a thing as a compassion "expert"). If something goes directly against the definition of compassion, then it is not compassion. The word "compassion" becomes meaningless if you try to include its opposite in its definition.

A god who designs a world in which greater good comes out of suffering is not truly compassionate. If he were, he would have brought about the "greater good" and left the suffering out. If he has any desire to see his creations suffer -- and he must, if he is omnipotent and suffering exists -- then he is not truly compassionate. If there is an all-powerful god, then there is absolutely no reason for anything to suffer unless that god likes to see suffering for its own sake.

You would have to be because everyone's view on compassion is different. Some people are thankful for the sufferings in life. Some people think that losing all they have is the greatest form of compassion they could ever have shown to them. What about those people? And then there are those who feel that having it all; not seeing a hard day in their life is the worst thing that has happened to them.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

So - you may be asking, "So I believe in the Bible. What's the big deal? Why do you care if I want to waste my life pursuing insanity?" Yes - that is a strong point generally. The right to be wrong is one of the core principles of the people because we often make a lot of mistakes on the path to discovering the truth. But - when a group of people threaten the well being of others then that's a different story.

In particular - Christians believe in the Apocalypse, or the end of the world. And - because it's important to them that they not be wrong = some of them are working towards making the world actually end. Others are just irresponsible and think that it doesn't matter how bad they mess things up because God will fix it and forgive them. That causes them to be irresponsible for their behavior and dangerous to society.

Faith in God is a dangerous thing. On September 11th 2001 a group of Muslims, acting in behalf of God, hijacked 4 planes and crashed them into buildings killing over 3000 people. The reason these people did it was because they believed they were acting in behalf of God and that God will reward them by giving them 70 virgins to have sex with for eternity. The fact is that these mass murderers are not in Heaven and that they are not having sex with 70 virgins. They are dead along with their victims. Why did this happen? Because they had faith! And as a result of their faith the world is a more dangerous place. Now Christians are seeing this as an opportunity to use their influence in the American administration to not only wage a war to kill a bunch of Muslims, but to take control of the world and impose God's laws (or rather what they believe are God's laws) on the rest of us by force.

Twenty years ago America had a Secretary of the Interior named James Watt. Watt was actually pro-pollution and his excuse was that it didn't matter what we did to the environment - Jesus was coming back soon to destroy the Earth. Jesus is dead - if he ever existed at all - and he is not coming back. But - people who believe he is coming are much more likely to destroy the Earth and use God as an excuse to make it happen. If religious fanatics get control of weapons of mass destruction they will use them as part of their ritual fantasies. and the rest of us will suffer the consequences.

We live on this small ball of dust and this ball is all we have for now. We have the technology to destroy all life on this planet (well - all life of any complexity anyhow) and this is our home - and it's home to all of us. So if some people believe in the Book of Revelations and use that as a basis or excuse to destroy the home for the whole human race - then they are encroaching on our rights.

Historically religion is the basis for most war. Christians slaughter Muslims, Muslims slaughter Jews, Jews slaughter Palestinians, Catholics slaughter Protestants. They all think that God gave them property. They think they are the "chosen people". And they all think they are acting in behalf of God because God is impotent and incapable of acting on his own behalf, these people have to do God's work for him, which often includes slaughtering the nonbelievers. Nonbelievers like me.

So - because of religion some moron might start a nuclear war or something and wipe out the human race and then this planet just becomes another lifeless piece of dust in the universe. Maybe the cockroaches will take over and become intelligent and form a better society? But - I have to admit that I'm partial to humans - one of my prejudices I suppose. I just think it's a bad idea to annihilate the human race. .

And - it's not just one religion going to war with another. They end up killing a lot of innocent people along the way. And it's all for nothing. People have to die over something that doesn't exist. So - it's not just a bad choice to believe in God - it's a choice that is dangerous to yourself and others. There are however some religions who believe in God and are not a threat to other people and that's much better. But the bottom line in most religions is world domination and I don't want to live in a world dominated by a deity fantasy. I choose to believe in what's real.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Powerful thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TX_Made713]

humans need something to believe in....period

belief is what keeps us moving,whether its divine or not

 

[alissowack]

Religion doesn't kill people...people kill people. People just use religion as a cover for wanting to indulge in killing.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

humans need something to believe in....period

belief is what keeps us moving,whether its divine or not

Yes but at a certain point where religion starts to affect the lives of all those wether wed to that religion or not it becomes an issue. Say this God fella has it marked in his PDA that the world will end in 3014, then you have some moron who believes in a book of revelations and fears the end is near in 2010 decides he is Gods soldier and he was chosen out of the other millions of followers to carry out this plan. It doesnt matter to him that all the earthquakes, floods, wars, poverty, famine has been happening since the beggining of man and Earth itself once it cooled and life began. He somehow get a hold of weapons with the capabilites to really hurt humanity or completely destroy us, he ends the world in 2010, 1,004 years before life should have ended why should we suffer this because one mans belief, God cannot stop someone from setting nukes off, he doesnt stop bombings and such now. He knew this was going to happen being he sees the future so why even right all the book of revelation talk why not write book of skitzo believer. I know you yourself arent a god guy but to me at some point and belief is to far and is no longer good.

Without religion the good majority of mankind would believe in helping and building fellow brothers, we would still plan for the future and learn from the past. We would lose alot of turmoil in the world along with it. Anyone who says without God we'd be animals are ridiculous, most scientist are athiest and they are doing more for man than anyone else in terms of health and making life overall better. Not to mention they are constently looking for ways to improve the future not for their own greed but for their childrens children, how people argue that these people are worst in gods eyes than people who murder to me is a sign that religion is a flawed system bent off flawed reason and contradicting stories. If man figures a way to inhabit and survive on other planets or moons which given time we will eventually, what happens if Jesus were to come to Earth and find that not everybody is here only his faithful willing to die thinking that for some reason theyre more important than the next and he will save them?

 

[The True Flesh]

This could very well be the most idiotic thread I've ever read in my life. Followers of Christs' true teaching never did any of the things mentioned in this thread. If you think some wacky "pro pollution" secretary of the interior from 20 yeras ago is an accurate representation of Bible believers.......you're one socially inept baffoon !

PEACE

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Religion doesn't kill people...people kill people. People just use religion as a cover for wanting to indulge in killing.

My point is that those who are athiest are 9/10 times doing more to help man rather than destroy it as just about every religious person is. Without religion we'd still kill yes, money would be the new evil, but there would alot less of it and Wars will become almost non existant. 96% of all wars happen based on religious beliefs. This being thoughts of 70 virgins, the dispute over land, personal agenda, Hitler for example didnt kill because he felt like killing, he killed because he was taught through religion that Jews were evil and a threat to the Aryan race. The Iraq war, Vietnam War, and Desert storm are the only true wars I can think of not based off religion.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

This could very well be the most idiotic thread I've ever read in my life. Followers of Christs' true teaching never did any of the things mentioned in this thread. If you think some wacky "pro pollution" secretary of the interior from 20 yeras ago is an accurate representation of Bible believers.......you're one socially inept baffoon !

PEACE

Crusades, Inquisitions, the battle for solomons temple, the killing of innocent Egyptian babies, the slaughter of animals not to eat but just to wipe their blood on stuff, the killing of abortion doctors are these not acts by people of Christianity, I think these are very well the acts of true followers.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

why not believe in humans? look how far man has come. Even before religions man survived when other animals did not.

To Christians this is not possible as both man and animal were made on day 6 and have lived together since. Man has always had religion according to them.

Since they dont believe in science they obviously are not able to believe in extinct animals as well

 

[The True Flesh]

Crusades, Inquisitions, the battle for solomons temple, the killing of innocent Egyptian babies, the slaughter of animals not to eat but just to wipe their blood on stuff, the killing of abortion doctors are these not acts by people of Christianity, I think these are very well the acts of true followers.

Then you sir, are an idiot.

PEACE

 

[VIBE]

This is why RELIGION is wrong.

Christianity is a lifestyle. It's a devoted relationship for and with God. God doesn't ask of any of us to murder the innocent. To end the world ourselves. The people who think these things, think they're the Messiah, think they need to end things with mass murders at their secret compounds and all are false led by the devil.

These men who took on the attacks on 9/11 followed a wrong religion. It goes against everything they believe to "die and be in heaven with 70 virgins", that there is a contradiction to their own lifestyle. So how is that a legit following?

BTW, not over 3000 people died on Sept. 11, 2001. It is 2,985 but there weren't 19 high jackers. (but that's a diff. thread)

Isn't one of the 10 Commandments "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"??????????? If so, then those who do DO NOT DO THE WILL OF GOD!!!

If God wanted to end the world in 3000 whatever you said, then it would end there. No one would pre maturely end it, it would be impossible to destroy God's PLAN. If some dude tried to go looney and get these "WOMD" he'd get as far as saying it on the internet. (they always announce it here some way) AND IF he didn't, he wouldn't be able to even set them off in any way. No one can stop what God has planned, or even intervene.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

This is why RELIGION is wrong.

Christianity is a lifestyle. It's a devoted relationship for and with God. God doesn't ask of any of us to murder the innocent. To end the world ourselves. The people who think these things, think they're the Messiah, think they need to end things with mass murders at their secret compounds and all are false led by the devil.

These men who took on the attacks on 9/11 followed a wrong religion. It goes against everything they believe to "die and be in heaven with 70 virgins", that there is a contradiction to their own lifestyle. So how is that a legit following?

BTW, not over 3000 people died on Sept. 11, 2001. It is 2,985 but there weren't 19 high jackers. (but that's a diff. thread)

Isn't one of the 10 Commandments "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"??????????? If so, then those who do DO NOT DO THE WILL OF GOD!!!

If God wanted to end the world in 3000 whatever you said, then it would end there. No one would pre maturely end it, it would be impossible to destroy God's PLAN. If some dude tried to go looney and get these "WOMD" he'd get as far as saying it on the internet. (they always announce it here some way) AND IF he didn't, he wouldn't be able to even set them off in any way. No one can stop what God has planned, or even intervene.

The site I checked said 3,084 people died based off sept 11 attacks, but ill take your word I may have got the wrong information on that. now as far as what you said you repeated just about everything I already stated. Now as far the 3,000 thing, Christians claim god has given us free will, if this is true then yes we can infact end the world ouselves.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Then you sir, are an idiot.

PEACE

Care to break each down for me and explain why they are not so I am enlightened. Or will you do like others and post 4872448972642642644786247825484524867457 verses most of which dont answer the questions I ask, and have no say for your own thoughts.

 

[VIBE]

How did I repeat what you said? I'm using what you said against your strange logic.

Free will

We certainly do have free will. The people who will use free will to "end the world", "commit mass murders" and "do it for THEIR God" follow the WRONG GOD. IN the CHRISTIAN bible where do you see God allowing people or asking people to go about killing people? Most, actually, about 99% of Christians wouldn't do anything like what you're stating. Only the INSANE, the MENTALLY UNSTABLE people would. I cannot remember any of these retarded names but I've seen them on tv plenty of times. Documentaries where they sleep with tons of women, sleep with the young, wedding them. I've seen the ones where they all took a poison at the same time to "die and go to heaven" because their "messiah" told them to.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

These are the people YOU are talking about, not the one's in MY bible. I've never been asked or have I seen it. WAIT! I have, Abraham was asked. Asked to kill his own son for God. It was a test of faith, God STOPPED HIM from doing so. So if these other people do it upon THEIR faith, why hasn't God STOPPED THEM? Stopped them and said, your faith is strong in me, don't do it now? Because........ they're insane/following the WRONG God, a RELIGION MADE BY MAN not no God.

I still fail to see how I repeated you though.