Questions and Statements about God...

[BiblicalAtheist]

im not "imgoing2heavenru". my old sn is ike turner. but anyway, idk where you got the idea that God wants you to be an atheist. Scripture says otherwise. But you've made up your mind so....

I wasn't directing this response at you. That's what it has his name and not yours in it.

Again, your presumptions are making you look like a presumptuous ass.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

It's not word play. It's called understanding. "For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding." (Proverbs 2:6).

It's Gods will that no one should perish, but that all of mankind would be saved.

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9

Now if that is Gods will, why is it that many, many, many, many people will perish? Well it's because Gods will doesn't interfere with humans personal decisions regarding salvation.

It's the same with the analogy I gave earlier. If a mothers will is for her son/daughter to do well in school, she will tell her child to study everyday in order to do well.

God has told us His will and given us the requirements for walking in His will. Now if we reject the way God has laid before us, is it Gods fault for our willful rejection of His requirements?

I guess you missed this post.

It was by god's will that I was an atheist. It was by god's will that my eyes were opened. It was by god's will that the earth was flooded. It was by god's will the universe was created. It is by god's will that everything is. God's will is not the commandments, it's not the requirements. God's will appears to be some sort of force or power by which everything is able to be accomplished. So to muddle it together as you(DoUwant2go2Heaven) have done is misleading and takes out the common sense of it.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

C'mon son. There are plenty religious text older than the Bible. The Vedas were written around 1500 BC. By comparison, the oldest records that support any biblical event start around 850 BC. The written Bible didn't occur until around 4th century, when Israel went captive to the Persians. It should come as no surprise then that many of the Biblical stories are eerily similar (almost verbatim in some case) to ancient Persian religions..in particular Zoroastrianism. Before this time, there is no recorded biblical reference to God and the Devil, the fallen angles, Noah, or anything else.

Now, I know the counter arguments claim that the Bible is older and that just because it was recorded in the 4th or 5th century doesn't mean that it began then. According to the counterarguments, before that time, the Bible was passed down via oral tradition with the training of the priest. That for 1000 thousand years, the history of the Bible was passed down faithfully from one generation to the next.

I understand the argument, it just doesn't persuade me. There are plenty of gaps and holes in the story that are more easily explained that disprove the time-line of the bible than having to believe that the Bible was passed on for 1000 years. I will concede that some tradition was passed on, but not the books of the Bible.

I just want to ask you one question and i'll let our Lord ask you Himself.

"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?" Matthew 16:13

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I guess you missed this post.

No i didn't. I answered that post with my post.

 

[Rock_Well]

Yes.........

 

[Carlos Bruise-Her]

I wasn't directing this response at you. That's what it has his name and not yours in it.

Again, your presumptions are making you look like a presumptuous ass.

my 1st presumption was right tho, so it doesnt matter

 

[supaman4321]

Why is it that you seem to make all your judgments and conceptions on God based from the Bible alone when you obviously have so many problems with it?

That would be like me making all of my judgments and conception of Basketball based solely on men's college basketball even though i HATE it. what sense does that make?

Do you really want to know the Truth and get closer to and attempt to understand your Creator or do you just want to whine and complain?

 

[Carlos Bruise-Her]

yes .

 

[Carlos Bruise-Her]

outside of the bible claiming it....

repent. We all sin bruh. Get out of this state of apostasy.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

my 1st presumption was right tho

About me? No it was not.

 

[phanatron]

I just want to ask you one question and i'll let our Lord ask you Himself.

"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?" Matthew 16:13

I will go along with your question...

At the time Peter responded "Some say that thou art John the Baptist; some, Elias; and others Jeremias or one of the prophets" 16:14.

The internal debate amongst Christians establishing who Jesus was in terms of theology really wasn't resolved until 325 CE (or 325 AD) at the first Council of Nicea. Many people at that time did not believe that Jesus was God or God's son in the sense that he was more than human. If you recall, Jesus often referred to his followers as 'sons of God'. This and the idea that having a seperate being also referred to as a god gave great concern that the early Christians were falling into polytheism.

Out of all these concerns came the end result of the Trinity. It was a messy process with many of the early Christian texts that openly indicated that Jesus was not God were banned and those who did not agree were ostracized. To this day, this decision remains one of the most controversial inside and outside of Christian theological circles. Groups like the Jehova's Witness reject the trinity alltogether. There is no direct support for the trinity in the Bible, yet to have Jesus as a god again leads to the idea of many, or at least more than one god.

So in response to your question: It depends on who you ask.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I will go along with your question...

At the time Peter responded "Some say that thou art John the Baptist; some, Elias; and others Jeremias or one of the prophets" 16:14.

The internal debate amongst Christians establishing who Jesus was in terms of theology really wasn't resolved until 325 CE (or 325 AD) at the first Council of Nicea. Many people at that time did not believe that Jesus was God or God's son in the sense that he was more than human. If you recall, Jesus often referred to his followers as 'sons of God'. This and the idea that having a seperate being also referred to as a god gave great concern that the early Christians were falling into polytheism.

Out of all these concerns came the end result of the Trinity. It was a messy process with many of the early Christian texts that openly indicated that Jesus was not God were banned and those who did not agree were ostracized. To this day, this decision remains one of the most controversial inside and outside of Christian theological circles. Groups like the Jehova's Witness reject the trinity alltogether. There is no direct support for the trinity in the Bible, yet to have Jesus as a god again leads to the idea of many, or at least more than one god.

So in response to your question: It depends on who you ask.

I didn't ask for a history lesson of well known facts my friend. I asked you who do you believe the Lord Jesus Christ is? Your answer to this question will determine where you spend eternity my brother. The day the Lord requires your soul, this issue will be eternally settled in your heart. Now I believe that your on the path of salvation because your inquiring and discussing issues that pertain to godliness and eternal life. It's the Lord that does the saving. And my prayer for you is that your heart will be pliable, willing, and yearning to be filled with the truth of Gods love for you. Gods will for the world is that no one should perish, but that all should come to repentance. I pray that the devil will flee from you in the name of Jesus Christ and that the lies of the enemy will be revealed by the simplicity and truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus loves you my friend and He stands at the door of your heart at this very moment waiting for you to invite Him in. Jesus is the only way my friend. Give Him a try, you will never ever ever regret your decision to trust in the living and true God. God bless.

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20

 

[phanatron]

I didn't ask for a history lesson of well known facts my friend. I asked you who do you believe the Lord Jesus Christ is? Your answer to this question will determine where you spend eternity my brother. The day the Lord requires your soul, this issue will be eternally settled in your heart. Now I believe that your on the path of salvation because your inquiring and discussing issues that pertain to godliness and eternal life. It's the Lord that does the saving. And my prayer for you is that your heart will be pliable, willing, and yearning to be filled with the truth of Gods love for you. Gods will for the world is that no one should perish, but that all should come to repentance. I pray that the devil will flee from you in the name of Jesus Christ and that the lies of the enemy will be revealed by the simplicity and truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus loves you my friend and He stands at the door of your heart at this very moment waiting for you to invite Him in. Jesus is the only way my friend. Give Him a try, you will never ever ever regret your decision to trust in the living and true God. God bless.

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20

In order for me to take you seriously, you first have to establish what you are saying is true. Simply quoting Bible verses doesn't do it. I understand why a person 'feels' better when they believe that they are in the good graces of God. I understand how believing in something that tells you that it will all work out in the end, can be comforting. The stronger the belief, the more comfortable, the more peaceful the feeling.

This 'feeling' of peace and love says much about the human psyche, how we worry and fear for the future and how we wish that there was something that we could do to ensure our future, than it does about the truth. What you claim to be the power of Christ, is actually a demonstration of the power of the human mind. It is the power to create constructions that are so real and 'tangible' that these constructions change how people actually live their lives. On slightly smaller scale, we see this same power generated in sporting events or concerts. We see people literally overcome with emotion in things that they know to be a human construction. Yet the passion and energy displayed is very real.

So I don't discount your belief system, or how this belief system makes you feel. What I discount, is why you feel the way that you feel. It works for you because you believe. If you believed in something else, another religion, as strongly as you believe in yours, that other religion would work for you just as well. However, for you, that would likely be impossible because the belief in what you are spouting excludes the possibility that anything else could make you feel this way. But for others, who believe just as strongly in their religion, they report similar feelings that you feel. And this is a common thread amongst many religions. It is not the religion that provides this feeling of wonderment and amazement, but the individual using the religion as a tool to tap into something that exist deep inside of themselves.

 

[TX_Made713]

In order for me to take you seriously, you first have to establish what you are saying is true. Simply quoting Bible verses doesn't do it. I understand why a person 'feels' better when they believe that they are in the good graces of God. I understand how believing in something that tells you that it will all work out in the end, can be comforting. The stronger the belief, the more comfortable, the more peaceful the feeling.

This 'feeling' of peace and love says much about the human psyche, how we worry and fear for the future and how we wish that there was something that we could do to ensure our future, than it does about the truth. What you claim to be the power of Christ, is actually a demonstration of the power of the human mind. It is the power to create constructions that are so real and 'tangible' that these constructions change how people actually live their lives. On slightly smaller scale, we see this same power generated in sporting events or concerts. We see people literally overcome with emotion in things that they know to be a human construction. Yet the passion and energy displayed is very real.

So I don't discount your belief system, or how this belief system makes you feel. What I discount, is why you feel the way that you feel. It works for you because you believe. If you believed in something else, another religion, as strongly as you believe in yours, that other religion would work for you just as well. However, for you, that would likely be impossible because the belief in what you are spouting excludes the possibility that anything else could make you feel this way. But for others, who believe just as strongly in their religion, they report similar feelings that you feel. And this is a common thread amongst many religions. It is not the religion that provides this feeling of wonderment and amazement, but the individual using the religion as a tool to tap into something that exist deep inside of themselves.

I seriously fucks with this dude....

 

[TX_Made713]

repent. We all sin bruh. Get out of this state of apostasy.

So are you a follower of the bible or not? You cant be a luke warm christian......

 

[TX_Made713]

Yes.........

seeing how your the only logical person that answered, explain

 

[ItzGravitation]

of course he does

why wouldnt he have one if we do

 

[TX_Made713]

What is it like?

*God sits on his throne as man walks up to recieve judgement*

God: "Well by the looks of your record Mr. IAMGOINGTOHEAVENRU, you did everything right EXCEPT that one time when you were 5 and you took that candy out of the store so...."

*God presses red button and sends IAMGoingtoheavenRU to hell*

God: "NEXT!!!"

 

[ItzGravitation]

What is it like?

*God sits on his throne as man walks up to recieve judgement*

God: "Well by the looks of your record Mr. IAMGOINGTOHEAVENRU, you did everything right EXCEPT that one time when you were 5 and you took that candy out of the store so...."

*God presses red button and sends man to hell*

God: "NEXT!!!"

just look at all the funny shit in nature

the way a dog acts

 

[Carlos Bruise-Her]

So are you a follower of the bible or not? You cant be a luke warm christian......

read what i said. "we all sin"

FACT