Carlos Bruise-Her
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IDK where this guy gets the idea that God is quick to judgement. Obviously he isnt familiar with the fruit of the Spirit
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TX_Made713
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ItzGravitation;239735 said:just look at all the funny shit in nature
the way a dog acts
yeah funny
[video=youtube;u23gEi47_j4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23gEi47_j4[/video]
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TX_Made713
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Carlos Bruise-Her;239940 said:IDK where this guy gets the idea that God is quick to judgement. Obviously he isnt familiar with the fruit of the Spirit
And your clearly not familiar with anything in the bible, I.E. the 10 commandments
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TX_Made713
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Carlos Bruise-Her;239845 said:read what i said. "we all sin"
FACT
So thats your excuse? I know we all sin, but its aint about that......its about are you trying. If I bring up Michael Jackson and the first thing that pops in your head is "FUCK THAT CHILD MOLESTOR" then that kills your whole christianity act
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Sometimes its just better to copy and paste, because someone else says its better... so.. from the People's New Testament..
Rom 13:1-5 -
Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. To the established civil government. Why should Paul, in this portion of the epistle devoted to Christian life, give this exhortation to obedience to civil government? Perhaps for several reasons: (1) The Christians at that early period were usually associated by the heathen with the Jews, and the Jews were noted for turbulence. See Act_18:2. (2) The fires that broke forth a few years later, in the Jewish uprising that led to the destruction of Jerusalem, were already smouldering wherever there were those of Jewish blood. Many Christians were Jews by birth. (3) There was danger that Christians, especially under persecution, should be inclined to make disturbance. (4) Some even held that since Christ's kingdom was established human governments had no rightful existence.
There is no power but of God. He is the source of all authority, and he has appointed human governments for the welfare of man. The existing government over us is to be regarded as a divine arrangement.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power. It follows that he who seeks to break down his government is fighting the ordinance of God, and shall be liable to punishment. This implies a loyal submission to the forms of government over us. It does not imply that we shall obey wicked magistrates when they command us to disobey God. See Act_4:19.
For rulers are not a terror to the good work. This is the general rule. Of course there have been occasional exceptions, when some human monster has been invested with absolute power, but the principle is true. It is not the law-abiding, but the lawless, who fear the law. Rulers as a class are a blessing. There was an exception a few years later when Nero developed his fiendish hate of all good.
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. The ruler, the guardian of order and the preserver of peace is, as a rule, a blessing.
He beareth not the sword in vain. Not only did the magistrate wear the sword, but one was borne before him in public processions as an emblem of his right to use it in the interests of order and justice.
Wherefore . . . not only for wrath, but also for conscience's sake. There are two reasons for obedience to the civil ruler: (1) If one fails to obey him, he will be a subject of his wrath (judgment) and be punished. (2) It is God's will that we should obey our civil rulers. Hence, conscience should be a motive
You must also remember that Paul in particular writing this letter to the Roman's, and his letters particularly addressed[directly emphasized] the problems with this particular city...
also once we understand that God rules and reigns over the just and the unjust... that God ultimately does not enjoy division... we understand that there are many methods that the common rebel uses that are not productive towards bringing forth the best representation of God
Rom 13:1-5 -
Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. To the established civil government. Why should Paul, in this portion of the epistle devoted to Christian life, give this exhortation to obedience to civil government? Perhaps for several reasons: (1) The Christians at that early period were usually associated by the heathen with the Jews, and the Jews were noted for turbulence. See Act_18:2. (2) The fires that broke forth a few years later, in the Jewish uprising that led to the destruction of Jerusalem, were already smouldering wherever there were those of Jewish blood. Many Christians were Jews by birth. (3) There was danger that Christians, especially under persecution, should be inclined to make disturbance. (4) Some even held that since Christ's kingdom was established human governments had no rightful existence.
There is no power but of God. He is the source of all authority, and he has appointed human governments for the welfare of man. The existing government over us is to be regarded as a divine arrangement.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power. It follows that he who seeks to break down his government is fighting the ordinance of God, and shall be liable to punishment. This implies a loyal submission to the forms of government over us. It does not imply that we shall obey wicked magistrates when they command us to disobey God. See Act_4:19.
For rulers are not a terror to the good work. This is the general rule. Of course there have been occasional exceptions, when some human monster has been invested with absolute power, but the principle is true. It is not the law-abiding, but the lawless, who fear the law. Rulers as a class are a blessing. There was an exception a few years later when Nero developed his fiendish hate of all good.
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. The ruler, the guardian of order and the preserver of peace is, as a rule, a blessing.
He beareth not the sword in vain. Not only did the magistrate wear the sword, but one was borne before him in public processions as an emblem of his right to use it in the interests of order and justice.
Wherefore . . . not only for wrath, but also for conscience's sake. There are two reasons for obedience to the civil ruler: (1) If one fails to obey him, he will be a subject of his wrath (judgment) and be punished. (2) It is God's will that we should obey our civil rulers. Hence, conscience should be a motive
You must also remember that Paul in particular writing this letter to the Roman's, and his letters particularly addressed[directly emphasized] the problems with this particular city...
also once we understand that God rules and reigns over the just and the unjust... that God ultimately does not enjoy division... we understand that there are many methods that the common rebel uses that are not productive towards bringing forth the best representation of God
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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phanatron;239390 said:In order for me to take you seriously, you first have to establish what you are saying is true. Simply quoting Bible verses doesn't do it. I understand why a person 'feels' better when they believe that they are in the good graces of God. I understand how believing in something that tells you that it will all work out in the end, can be comforting. The stronger the belief, the more comfortable, the more peaceful the feeling.
This 'feeling' of peace and love says much about the human psyche, how we worry and fear for the future and how we wish that there was something that we could do to ensure our future, than it does about the truth. What you claim to be the power of Christ, is actually a demonstration of the power of the human mind. It is the power to create constructions that are so real and 'tangible' that these constructions change how people actually live their lives. On slightly smaller scale, we see this same power generated in sporting events or concerts. We see people literally overcome with emotion in things that they know to be a human construction. Yet the passion and energy displayed is very real.
So I don't discount your belief system, or how this belief system makes you feel. What I discount, is why you feel the way that you feel. It works for you because you believe. If you believed in something else, another religion, as strongly as you believe in yours, that other religion would work for you just as well. However, for you, that would likely be impossible because the belief in what you are spouting excludes the possibility that anything else could make you feel this way. But for others, who believe just as strongly in their religion, they report similar feelings that you feel. And this is a common thread amongst many religions. It is not the religion that provides this feeling of wonderment and amazement, but the individual using the religion as a tool to tap into something that exist deep inside of themselves.
Jesus Christ is more than a feeling my friend. Jesus Christ is the living and true God. If you would open up your heart to receive Him, He will reveal Himself to you my friend. The joy I have in Christ comes because of His in-dwelling presence in me. I never knew what peace, joy, and love was until I came to know Jesus. He is the source of all things that are good my brother. I can't prove to you that He exists the way you may want proof. But I know that Jesus can, will, and does reveal Himself to anybody who is WILLING. Unless you are willing to know the truth, receive the truth, and live the truth you will continue on in darkness. It's that simple my friend. You will never know what truth is until you know Jesus Christ personally. No ands, if's, or buts about it. Truth resides in Christ my friend. Do you know Him?
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TX_Made713;221520 said:Naw, I could care less about anything bein in my favor. At the end of the day its about God not me. Im just callin it as I see it. Most of the stuff your saying is coming out of the bible
This is your opinion.. not fact... which your opinion atm is pretty much null because you have made this "bible thing" personal... the lower man criticizes... it takes a higher man to go beyond the nitpicking and dig for revelation
Even in the mist of debating its shows a lack of skills, or talent to play the defensive end and have nothing to add....
This comes from the understanding of how God operates, not because its a quote somewhere... if we are to believe that God or any higher being ultimately is fair in his decision making process.. one cannot condemn anything or one unless an opportunity has been given, and one rejects it... now the finer details is up for analyzation and several conclusions can be made... but ultimately this conclusion can rest at this being the root... and if you listen to testimony after testimony... which I've even heard a part of yours TX... we all have somewhere in our lives where God has made his self known... what you choose to do with that is your own decision....
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TX_Made713
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demandred;241016 said:This is your opinion.. not fact... which your opinion atm is pretty much null because you have made this "bible thing" personal... the lower man criticizes... it takes a higher man to go beyond the nitpicking and dig for revelation
Even in the mist of debating its shows a lack of skills, or talent to play the defensive end and have nothing to add....
This comes from the understanding of how God operates, not because its a quote somewhere... if we are to believe that God or any higher being ultimately is fair in his decision making process.. one cannot condemn anything or one unless an opportunity has been given, and one rejects it... now the finer details is up for analyzation and several conclusions can be made... but ultimately this conclusion can rest at this being the root... and if you listen to testimony after testimony... which I've even heard a part of yours TX... we all have somewhere in our lives where God has made his self known... what you choose to do with that is your own decision....
i agree, and it takes an even higher man to think outside of the box and see religion for what it is....you can ignore the various translation issues and obvious errors in the bible all you want. doesnt make them go away. I dont see why you feel im takign this personally only other than my opinion on life is different from yours. I see yours and respect it, if you cant do the same that rests on your shoulders, not mine.
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BiblicalAtheist;231440 said:That is their purpose, I asked what god's will is because you said it so plainly like you knew what it was.
And if you're going to tell people they should live within god's will, you should at least be able to tell them what that will is no?
Jesus's life showed from start to finish how one finds their purpose, and lives within God's will.. our walk isnt much different just a different scene with the same characters
Christ's walk was to give his part in bringing Heaven to Earth, and to live a life that would not only glorify God, but make God a proud parent....
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;240893 said:Jesus Christ is more than a feeling my friend. Jesus Christ is the living and true God. If you would open up your heart to receive Him, He will reveal Himself to you my friend. The joy I have in Christ comes because of His in-dwelling presence in me. I never knew what peace, joy, and love was until I came to know Jesus. He is the source of all things that are good my brother. I can't prove to you that He exists the way you may want proof. But I know that Jesus can, will, and does reveal Himself to anybody who is WILLING. Unless you are willing to know the truth, receive the truth, and live the truth you will continue on in darkness. It's that simple my friend. You will never know what truth is until you know Jesus Christ personally. No ands, if's, or buts about it. Truth resides in Christ my friend. Do you know Him?
While this discussion has not went that far, I consider your desire for me to know Jesus part of your desire to wish for my happiness. To that, I simply will say thanks.
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TX_Made713
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demandred;241069 said:Jesus's life showed from start to finish how one finds their purpose, and lives within God's will.. our walk isnt much different just a different scene with the same characters
Christ's walk was to give his part in bringing Heaven to Earth, and to live a life that would not only glorify God, but make God a proud parent....
Explain that lil nice disclaimer that comes before the part of Jesus bein ressurected in the bible? If you dont know what Im talking about open up your bible to that part an look at it
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BiblicalAtheist
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demandred;241069 said:Jesus's life showed from start to finish how one finds their purpose, and lives within God's will.. our walk isnt much different just a different scene with the same characters
Christ's walk was to give his part in bringing Heaven to Earth, and to live a life that would not only glorify God, but make God a proud parent....
My will is god's will, it could not be anything else. The only reason I have will is by god extending the will to me to use freely. Its a gift freely given to sinners and saints a like.
And the purpose of all life is the same: survive. The meaning however is what each person makes it, based on their own perceptions.
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TX_Made713;241058 said:i agree, and it takes an even higher man to think outside of the box and see religion for what it is....you can ignore the various translation issues and obvious errors in the bible all you want. doesnt make them go away. I dont see why you feel im takign this personally only other than my opinion on life is different from yours. I see yours and respect it, if you cant do the same that rests on your shoulders, not mine.
But that statement towards religion does not apply to me specifically, because consistently my view has never changed towards religion... I see religion for what it is... a box that limits the power of not only spirituality but the governance of this realm
The Bible is not a religion book... people have built several religions around it... but the book itself instructed you not to do that... and I have never ignored the translation issues... I skipped past them and went to the source of where it was translated from...which yet again null and voids alot of your argument towards a book... Christ did the same thing... skipped past all the religion.. and got to the core of truth....
The reason why you are taking this personal is because of your attitude and your approach that you are now taking towards what you call truthseeking... which was a page I was already on while several people around here were still doing the useless banter about accept Christ or burn....so the thing is I've already been where you are, and I know where you need to go
For one to call himself a truth seeker and then assume a position AGAINST anything without thorough research,and understanding of what one is being exposed to.... might as well hang this thing up, because that individual doesn't even understand the truth about being a truth seeker.... this world is full of lies EVERYWHERE... your own parents have told you books full of lies... but in order to be a truth seeker one must understand how to comb through lies and find truth.... I remember a quote I will never forget... even in a lie there is truth...Another quote... I tell the truth even when I lie....-scarface
When one understands this concept... he understands everything that lays before him not only has an element of truth to it... but it furthers him into his own progression to have a solid understanding of the totality, which we call truth...one man's reality is another man's falsehood... but the greater question is why? how did this evolve? a falsehood is not a falsehood, because you can spot flaws in it... a falsehood is a falsehood once you have enough other things to compare it with after you have traced down the origins of each and everyone...and followed its progression and evolution... and you are able to make a spiritual distinction between each because of your understanding of the source...
Why is a dangerous question when you don't have the tools or enough spiritual weight to be able to discern truth from falsehood.... and if you can read through the bible and find nothing... you have no spiritual weight whatsoever... especially considering that you can find truths in things as simple as children stories or even in a horror flick and all "religious" labeled books are of great importance for they all contain revelation of spiritual matters... expand your close-mindedness... and receive the world for what it is... everything before you is a tool to bringing your closer to the greatness that is the ultimately, intimate knowledge of God
God is ultimately a mystery to be uncovered... and he hides himself from those that do not desire nor seek him
I respect man's opinion for what it is... yours and you are free to do as you wish... but in the mist of my studying I realized that having an opinion is a drastic handicap towards finding the objective truth... I learn daily how not to have an opinion... because the truth doesnt care about your opinion or perception of it... you have to die off and try to place yourself in its shoes to try to understand it... exactly how great actors get prepared to play great roles... they become the person and the only thing that matters is the character... and for a truth seeker our only concern... is what we have set out to seek...
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TX_Made713;241163 said:Explain that lil nice disclaimer that comes before the part of Jesus bein ressurected in the bible? If you dont know what Im talking about open up your bible to that part an look at it
Let's not play games... copy and paste exactly what you are referencing.. if you don't have a digital bible... heres a link http://www.biblegateway.com/
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BiblicalAtheist;241230 said:My will is god's will, it could not be anything else. The only reason I have will is by god extending the will to me to use freely. Its a gift freely given to sinners and saints a like.
And the purpose of all life is the same: survive. The meaning however is what each person makes it, based on their own perceptions.
If you are your own God... who chooses to rule and govern within your own means, and do not have a higher spiritual/soul accountability then the statement you have made is 100% true....
and your purpose extends from your particular choice of governance....
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TX_Made713
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demandred;241262 said:But that statement towards religion does not apply to me specifically, because consistently my view has never changed towards religion... I see religion for what it is... a box that limits the power of not only spirituality but the governance of this realm
The Bible is not a religion book... people have built several religions around it... but the book itself instructed you not to do that... and I have never ignored the translation issues... I skipped past them and went to the source of where it was translated from...which yet again null and voids alot of your argument towards a book... Christ did the same thing... skipped past all the religion.. and got to the core of truth....
The reason why you are taking this personal is because of your attitude and your approach that you are now taking towards what you call truthseeking... which was a page I was already on while several people around here were still doing the useless banter about accept Christ or burn....so the thing is I've already been where you are, and I know where you need to go
For one to call himself a truth seeker and then assume a position AGAINST anything without thorough research,and understanding of what one is being exposed to.... might as well hang this thing up, because that individual doesn't even understand the truth about being a truth seeker.... this world is full of lies EVERYWHERE... your own parents have told you books full of lies... but in order to be a truth seeker one must understand how to comb through lies and find truth.... I remember a quote I will never forget... even in a lie there is truth...Another quote... I tell the truth even when I lie....-scarface
When one understands this concept... he understands everything that lays before him not only has an element of truth to it... but it furthers him into his own progression to have a solid understanding of the totality, which we call truth...one man's reality is another man's falsehood... but the greater question is why? how did this evolve? a falsehood is not a falsehood, because you can spot flaws in it... a falsehood is a falsehood once you have enough other things to compare it with after you have traced down the origins of each and everyone...and followed its progression and evolution... and you are able to make a spiritual distinction between each because of your understanding of the source...
Why is a dangerous question when you don't have the tools or enough spiritual weight to be able to discern truth from falsehood.... and if you can read through the bible and find nothing... you have no spiritual weight whatsoever... especially considering that you can find truths in things as simple as children stories or even in a horror flick and all "religious" labeled books are of great importance for they all contain revelation of spiritual matters... expand your close-mindedness... and receive the world for what it is... everything before you is a tool to bringing your closer to the greatness that is the ultimately, intimate knowledge of God
God is ultimately a mystery to be uncovered... and he hides himself from those that do not desire nor seek him
I respect man's opinion for what it is... yours and you are free to do as you wish... but in the mist of my studying I realized that having an opinion is a drastic handicap towards finding the objective truth... I learn daily how not to have an opinion... because the truth doesnt care about your opinion or perception of it... you have to die off and try to place yourself in its shoes to try to understand it... exactly how great actors get prepared to play great roles... they become the person and the only thing that matters is the character... and for a truth seeker our only concern... is what we have set out to seek...
as someone stated before you will see what you want to see. you will believe what you force yourself to believe. sugar coat it all you want but the bible is no different from the quran nor the books that come before it. Of course as a beleiver fully in the bible everything you say your absolutely right to feel that way. But that still ignores the elementary fact that the bible was written by man at some point. As the muslims are always quick to point out, how do you know your not a slave to the white mans religion? Hebrew and greek are the original languages of both old and new testament. As I assume you know, just a translation of a simple sentence can be completely different in two different languages, and that isnt factoring the time frame when it was first written to now.
Pysch yourself to believe what you wish, its your lfie not mine.
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TX_Made713;239692 said:seeing how your the only logical person that answered, explain
The bible is filled with examples of God using humor. Christ used humor and sarcasm a lot as well.
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BiblicalAtheist
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demandred;241306 said:If you are your own God... who chooses to rule and govern within your own means, and do not have a higher spiritual/soul accountability then the statement you have made is 100% true....
and your purpose extends from your particular choice of governance....
I am not my own god. How could the part be greater than the whole or equal to the whole?
I also do think I am held accountable, which is why I strive to have the least amount of things to account for in the end.
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TX_Made713
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solid analysis;241854 said:The bible is filled with examples of God using humor. Christ used humor and sarcasm a lot as well.
post one up
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alissowack
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Those verses talk about Babylon's "pleasure" in taking Jerusalem's children and killing them.
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