Questions and Statements about God...

[VIBE]

So your telling me that God can't be trusted?

He clearly believes in God. He clearly believes God can be trusted. He doesn't trust the KJV translation. I see his argument. I don't speak/read Hebrew but to understand TRUTH and what's real, I would love to learn it.

What do you think DoU, when you have the two sides clashing?

You have the Word in true form, Hebrew being explained to you by someone who knows.

vs.

You have the Word in translated form in English, in which you read.

How can you deny the TRUE language (used originally) isn't true??

I think we need more research into what we call, "the bible". I've seen too many times words that have been mistranslated. I don't know if they're purposely changed, but I do believe in a mistranslation and I believe that's the case in our "bible".

I'm not denying our God or what I solely believe in but I do think we gotta check ourselves before tripping out.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

He clearly believes in God. He clearly believes God can be trusted. He doesn't trust the KJV translation. I see his argument. I don't speak/read Hebrew but to understand TRUTH and what's real, I would love to learn it.

What do you think DoU, when you have the two sides clashing?

You have the Word in true form, Hebrew being explained to you by someone who knows.

vs.

You have the Word in translated form in English, in which you read.

How can you deny the TRUE language (used originally) isn't true??

I think we need more research into what we call, "the bible". I've seen too many times words that have been mistranslated. I don't know if they're purposely changed, but I do believe in a mistranslation and I believe that's the case in our "bible".

I'm not denying our God or what I solely believe in but I do think we gotta check ourselves before tripping out.

This is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. What your insinuating is that God can not be trusted to give us an accurate translation of HIS HOLY WORD. The King James Version of the Bible was the first Bible that was translated into the english language, and to sit here and tell me that it is not trust-worthy is to deny God that He is sovereign and that He is not in control of all things. It's really pathetic if you ask me and very upsetting.

What do you think God was doing in heaven when the Bible was being translated into english for the first time? Twiddling His thumbs and playing yatzee? I mean come on.

 

[judahxulu]

What Jesus saying here?

John 14:7-10*(King James Version)

*7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

*8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

*9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

*10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

If Yeshua actually said this....it would be in context with his parent culture and source material (Torah/Tanach/Dead Sea Scrolls)..He's saying he's the new protoype of Adamic man (Son of Man = Son of Adam). You see the father in the son right? The Adamic species was created in the image of YHWH Elohim is what the books says. Putting all anthropomorphism aside, we can deduce that this referred to a spiritual likeness as opposed to material. It is possible to be "one" with a person or thing without actually being that person or thing. But as i said, this is probably what that meant if it was actually said. I cannot confirm or deny such events took place. I know it didnt happen like they wrote it though.

Funny that you posted this passage with Phillip in it. The apocryphal "Gospel of Phillip" contained in the Nag Hammadi library is an interesting read and really shits on what people think Christianity is in modern times.

 

[hrap-120]

I wanna join your cult how do I sign up??

Do they have Hebrew chapter??

 

[hrap-120]

Jesus is like the human guy you can relate to, and God is the spooky hidden guy you can look up to.....

Its perfect for gay-men, rednecks and fat black women who cant get a man

 

[hrap-120]

When I get to heaven imma pull my dick out and start singing 'Ridin dirty"

 

[hrap-120]

Lol. What's with that phenom? Is there a verse in the bible promising these women a good man?

No but the pork-chop preacher has a silky perm and an enormous erection under his kente-cloth robe.

"But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus."

Phillipians: 4:19

^^^^^That shit sound sexy to a fat bitch after a lonely saturday night watching "Man vs. food" & reruns of "Sanford & Son".

Hallelujah

 

[The True Flesh]

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. Isaiah 66:4

And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:

And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

Isaiah 30:20-21

PEACE

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Also remember that the Gnostics believed that the God of the Old Testament was evil. They didn't believe in Marriage or Procreation, a variety of other things that also clash with the Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures so take that information with a grain of salt.

The majority of their beliefs were also based upon Greek and Egyptian beliefs.

Just a heads up to the readers, because often times when info is posted people take it all as facts that are hidden as opposed to a point of view.

ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT STARTING AN ARGUMENT

I wasn't insinuating that the Gnostics had the correct view of Christianity. I was just using them as an example that not all Christians have always believed that Jesus was divine. A common belief among early Christians is that Jesus was the son of God, but only in the same way that we all can be sons and daughters of God. The difference being that he was born with that understanding where we have to come to it as a decision at some point in our lives.

Anyway, the Gnostics delved a little too much in mysticism for me to put too much stock into them. All religious subscription requires at least a little belief in spirituality and the supernatural, but they took it to a little more extreme than mainstream Christianity. That said, some of their texts bring interesting points. Take the Book of Judas, for instance. It paints Judas as one of Jesus' most trusted disciples and says that Jesus shared special knowledge with him. It also says the betrayal was part of Jesus' plan from the beginning. If you think about it, it makes sense. From the standpoint of mainstream Christianity, Judas is the ultimate traitor and one of the most villified people in the Bible. However, let's think about it. Jesus had to die. It was ordained by God and it was necessary to fulfill his purpose. If that was the case, Judas' actions were part of God's plan. Why would God use someone to further his goals only to punish that person for eternity for doing the very thing God wanted him to do? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Jesus entrusting Judas with that task so that Jesus could move towards his destiny, makes a lot more sense. I'm not saying that's right, but it is an interesting take on things.

 

[alissowack]

"But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? Hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?" (II Kings 18:27)

If the king of Assyria was actually a steward for "The Lord", then maybe there is a point to be made. If anything, given the king's circumstances, he behaved like anybody who thinks that his successes are "blessings" from God...no different from what people do anyway.

 

[The True Flesh]

If the king of Assyria was actually a steward for "The Lord", then maybe there is a point to be made. If anything, given the king's circumstances, he behaved like anybody who thinks that his successes are "blessings" from God...no different from what people do anyway.

I don't think he posted this verse with any intention of examining the context.

It was more of an antagonization attempt based on the percieved absurdity of a reference to drinking piss and eating sh*t.

.......everybody plays their position, I guess......

 

[Chike]

Well, not for nothing, but if Jesus was supposed to be god, why would god need to talk to himself? Just saying lol

 

[VIBE]

This is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. What your insinuating is that God can not be trusted to give us an accurate translation of HIS HOLY WORD. The King James Version of the Bible was the first Bible that was translated into the english language, and to sit here and tell me that it is not trust-worthy is to deny God that He is sovereign and that He is not in control of all things. It's really pathetic if you ask me and very upsetting.

What do you think God was doing in heaven when the Bible was being translated into english for the first time? Twiddling His thumbs and playing yatzee? I mean come on.

You think God literally wrote the King James Version or that he spoke and it was written? Are you kidding me? When this was being translated he did nothing, I dunno. Maybe he was twiddling his thumbs and playing SCRABBLE.

What do you think God did when this was being translated? Seriously.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

You think God literally wrote the King James Version or that he spoke and it was written? Are you kidding me? When this was being translated he did nothing, I dunno. Maybe he was twiddling his thumbs and playing SCRABBLE.

What do you think God did when this was being translated? Seriously.

Brother let's reason together. I know that you know the Lord. That being said, don't you believe that God works all things for the good according to His purpose? If so, wouldn't it be a safe bet to believe that God divinely appointed the 47 translators who had the spiritual, mental, and physical abilities to translate His holy word from hebrew and Greek into English for the first time? It's been almost 500 years and the KJV is still the most widely used English translation o the bible? Do you honestly believe God would intentionally mislead billions of people over the course of 5 centuries with am inaccurate translation of His gospel? Honestly? I don't understand hoe John 3:16 can be mistranslated in any way shape or form for example. I mean let's get real. If God is who He says He is, do u not think that He would be capable of leading godly men to accurately translate his word into the englih venacular for the first time. God is sovereigny friend and His kingdom rules over all. If this is true, then I believe that God has preserved His word as an accurate translation into the English language. God is not a deceived. Satan is. Don't let the enemy Lie to you. God is good and there is no unrighteousness with Him.

 

[killah_muhfucka]

Brother let's reason together. I know that you know the Lord. That being said, don't you believe that God works all things for the good according to His purpose? If so, wouldn't it be a safe bet to believe that God divinely appointed the 47 translators who had the spiritual, mental, and physical abilities to translate His holy word from hebrew and Greek into English for the first time? It's been almost 500 years and the KJV is still the most widely used English translation o the bible? Do you honestly believe God would intentionally mislead billions of people over the course of 5 centuries with am inaccurate translation of His gospel? Honestly? I don't understand hoe John 3:16 can be mistranslated in any way shape or form for example. I mean let's get real. If God is who He says He is, do u not think that He would be capable of leading godly men to accurately translate his word into the englih venacular for the first time. God is sovereigny friend and His kingdom rules over all. If this is true, then I believe that God has preserved His word as an accurate translation into the English language. God is not a deceived. Satan is. Don't let the enemy Lie to you. God is good and there is no unrighteousness with Him.

I went to sleep last night... sorry
Yes I believe in God and that his word was originally penned with accuracy.

However you can not directly translate Hebrew or Aramaic in to ENGLISH... IT IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
Do you think GOD WOULD USE KING JAMES WHO WAS A HOMOSEXUAL TO BE THE INDIVIDUAL TO ENSURE HIS WORD WAS PRESERVED CORRECTLY... especially when he was was already preserved in Hebrew aramaic and Greek.

There are multiple translations in english which adhere to the true Hebrew meaning of verses far better than the KJV... nearly every other version does.
THe KJV is highly used because it is the preferred translation for pushing doctrines that belong to pagan religions making it easier for what many term as pagans to accept.

Think logically... you have Hebrews who where monotheistic who believed in one good for thousands of years. Then the orginal christians who did not state any belief in the trinity believed in one GOD and that jesus was Gods son wrote that and it can be seen in the Greek Septuagint version.

Then here comes the KJV which inserts it. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THE KJV REMOVES THE NAME OF GOD FROM THE BIBLE THOUSANDS OF TIMES... WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU

Of course god does not intenionally mislead peole, but didn't jesus say there would be those among you who would.... one way is by means of fake texts.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU... Do you think God wanted his name taken out of the bible?

 

[killah_muhfucka]

If the way to god is through Jesus and they are one and the same, and you believe in god or a creator than technically you get Jesus too, right?
Or is it like some split personality type shit. Like if you say ok I believe in you Jesus, then Jesus turns in a circle, changes his voice and is like ok I'm god now. Knowing damn well he just spent around and he's the same person.

Basicly Jesus was saying only through me you can meet me.

Maybe someone can explain this better.

LOL at anyone believing that Jesus was GOD.

It is better to not believe in God at all then to think his son is equal to him.

Check the context of something as opposed to a verse and it makes much more sense

 

[killah_muhfucka]

If Yeshua actually said this....it would be in context with his parent culture and source material (Torah/Tanach/Dead Sea Scrolls)..He's saying he's the new protoype of Adamic man (Son of Man = Son of Adam). You see the father in the son right? The Adamic species was created in the image of YHWH Elohim is what the books says. Putting all anthropomorphism aside, we can deduce that this referred to a spiritual likeness as opposed to material. It is possible to be "one" with a person or thing without actually being that person or thing. But as i said, this is probably what that meant if it was actually said. I cannot confirm or deny such events took place. I know it didnt happen like they wrote it though.

Funny that you posted this passage with Phillip in it. The apocryphal "Gospel of Phillip" contained in the Nag Hammadi library is an interesting read and really shits on what people think Christianity is in modern times.

THis... it is amazing how people grab a small section of something instead of examining the whole.

Also nice to see someone else realizing the Term Elohim is not a substitute for YHWH...

 

[VIBE]

Brother let's reason together. I know that you know the Lord. That being said, don't you believe that God works all things for the good according to His purpose? If so, wouldn't it be a safe bet to believe that God divinely appointed the 47 translators who had the spiritual, mental, and physical abilities to translate His holy word from hebrew and Greek into English for the first time? It's been almost 500 years and the KJV is still the most widely used English translation o the bible? Do you honestly believe God would intentionally mislead billions of people over the course of 5 centuries with am inaccurate translation of His gospel? Honestly? I don't understand hoe John 3:16 can be mistranslated in any way shape or form for example. I mean let's get real. If God is who He says He is, do u not think that He would be capable of leading godly men to accurately translate his word into the englih venacular for the first time. God is sovereigny friend and His kingdom rules over all. If this is true, then I believe that God has preserved His word as an accurate translation into the English language. God is not a deceived. Satan is. Don't let the enemy Lie to you. God is good and there is no unrighteousness with Him.

I don't believe God deceives my dude.

What do you say about people like Nostradamus? He says he was a "Christian", yet he has had these prophecies. BUT he's shot down by many as a "false prophet". Couldn't have God been with him then? Many say, NO. And he used his things for good, unlike others, who loved the attention and fame for it.

I don't believe ALL the translators were chosen by God. Maybe there were a few that were but you gotta think, there's mistranslations.

I forget the version but there's a bible missing one whole verse, KJV has though.

Look, I'm not saying that the KJV is WRONG, I'm just saying I can see with Killah is saying. It makes sense.

@KILLAH, whats the closest version of the English bible that closest to the "correct" bible?? (original Hebrew)

 

[Chike]

If the way to god is through Jesus and they are one and the same, and you believe in god or a creator than technically you get Jesus too, right?
Or is it like some split personality type shit. Like if you say ok I believe in you Jesus, then Jesus turns in a circle, changes his voice and is like ok I'm god now. Knowing damn well he just spent around and he's the same person.

Basicly Jesus was saying only through me you can meet me.

Maybe someone can explain this better.

I think alot of the things he was saying was figurative. He said them in ways people at that time would be able to understand. So him saying, 'only through me can you reach god/heaven' is him saying, only through the way I am can you reach this same 'way'. In other words... 'Learn from my example if you want to find yourself and walk with god'. That sort of wisdom... I know you're really addressing these kinds of questions to Christians and other religious peeps, but you really gotta just ignore or forget everything religion tells you about the interpretation of the bible in order to get an idea of what's really being said... in realistic terms.

 

[killah_muhfucka]

I don't believe God deceives my dude.

What do you say about people like Nostradamus? He says he was a "Christian", yet he has had these prophecies. BUT he's shot down by many as a "false prophet". Couldn't have God been with him then? Many say, NO. And he used his things for good, unlike others, who loved the attention and fame for it.

I don't believe ALL the translators were chosen by God. Maybe there were a few that were but you gotta think, there's mistranslations.

I forget the version but there's a bible missing one whole verse, KJV has though.

Look, I'm not saying that the KJV is WRONG, I'm just saying I can see with Killah is saying. It makes sense.

@KILLAH, whats the closest version of the English bible that closest to the "correct" bible?? (original Hebrew)

The best ENGLISH translation of the Hebrew Scriptures would be the Tanakh in my opinion... But honestly if anyone is looking for truth in the scriptures you have to really think.

It is actually very easy to tell which passages are prophetic and which are literal. If anyone quotes a controversial scripture to you and they do not provide the context of it.. the verses before and after - be wary.
This is how people are able to lie to and confuse people because they quote verses out of their context.

I personally used a variety of versions in my search through the scriptures... I found the KJ to be highly inaccurate in comparison to most aged translations.. it is full of doctrines not believed by the original Christians and thats not my opinion... that is well known fact.

The use of words like Lord in place of Gods name?? Seriously how can anyone trust a translation of the bible that removes the name of god literally THOUSANDS OF TIMES