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Israelites
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v4 is saying not to make any graven images of a suppose "god" & label it as the creator, not to make any images of stars , moons or anything that's above heaven (angels) or anything that is beneath the earth (grave/hell)..
v5- now what does the catholic church do? they bow to their false images of Mary, have crosses, they practice in pagan traditions ("sun"day worship,easter,xmas,etc..) which are considered other gods in the LORDs eyes... his jealousy isn't like our jealousy, when he becomes jealous he becomes angry at the fact people are putting other gods & traditions before him & his customs, which will result in us being destoryed (for those that do this).
v5- now what does the catholic church do? they bow to their false images of Mary, have crosses, they practice in pagan traditions ("sun"day worship,easter,xmas,etc..) which are considered other gods in the LORDs eyes... his jealousy isn't like our jealousy, when he becomes jealous he becomes angry at the fact people are putting other gods & traditions before him & his customs, which will result in us being destoryed (for those that do this).
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Israelites
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ether-i-am;407732 said:Not only the Catholics
you right, but they are ones that everybody has accepted as being in charge of the Word... Every denomination & non denomination gets some form of their doctrine from the catholics which the catholics got from the Nicolaitanes (Rev. 2:6 & Rev. 2:15), they/catholics are the ones who forced christianity onto everyone. That's why they're considered the Mother Whore & all other religions are the harlots.
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Israelites
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they all in the same boat... only reason I point them out because, just like when they first forced christianity upon the people, it's going to go down again during the great tribulation period.... either accept their way of christianity or be killed, especially if you reject the mark of the beast. The catholics are known to practice the mark of the best during (ash wednesday) forehead or right palm....History will repeat itself...
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BiblicalAtheist
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ether-i-am;408285 said:Are religious book considered graven images?
I suppose they could be, should be learning by example, not by book.
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Israelites
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I wouldn't say they're graven images, but the Word has nothing to do with religion, even though people try & attach it to christianity, the book/Holy Bible talks down on religion & everything else people try to attach Christ to...But when you don't understand something you'll believe anything.
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alissowack;405236 said:Because of mankind's disobedience, we are no longer in God's favor. Death and Hell is what we deserve for that one disobedience. Our blood was to be spilled for our condition. However, God didn't end it all.
Abraham was instructed to sacrifice his son. But did it happen? Were there laws in place so that Abraham know about sacrifices?
I understand the concept of death being the punishment for sin. I also understand the concept of mercy. What I don't understand is this: If, like you said, God chose not to "end it all" and instead to have mercy on us, why did anything else have to die in our place? People say that because the punishment for sin is death, something had to die for our sins, but if something else -- something sinless -- is dying rather than the sinner, then there is no punishment taking place, so he's going against his law either way. It is said that God is immutable, but if he can change his mind about whose blood must be spilled, why can't he change his mind about mandated bloodshed altogether?
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alissowack
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The GMW;410617 said:I understand the concept of death being the punishment for sin. I also understand the concept of mercy. What I don't understand is this: If, like you said, God chose not to "end it all" and instead to have mercy on us, why did anything else have to die in our place? People say that because the punishment for sin is death, something had to die for our sins, but if something else -- something sinless -- is dying rather than the sinner, then there is no punishment taking place, so he's going against his law either way. It is said that God is immutable, but if he can change his mind about whose blood must be spilled, why can't he change his mind about mandated bloodshed altogether?
A sinner's death does not restore favor to God. It brings about an eternal damnation. Sin is not just about the act of transgression. It is who we are...whether we confess to it or not. According to the Bible, there is no one without sin.
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alissowack;410939 said:A sinner's death does not restore favor to God. It brings about an eternal damnation. Sin is not just about the act of transgression. It is who we are...whether we confess to it or not. According to the Bible, there is no one without sin.
Please clarify how this is relevant to the topic at hand...
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BiblicalAtheist
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Yeah I haven't found one single human who doesn't make errors. That's the human way, trial and error.alissowack;410939 said:According to the Bible, there is no one without sin.
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alissowack
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The GMW;411591 said:Please clarify how this is relevant to the topic at hand...
I understand the question you pose, but the question seems to want something else other than what the Bible says. There is no particular relevence to the question. There is the impression that you don't like the idea of blood sacrifices and you would rather that God do this another way; that maybe when God decided to go that route that personal biases or discrimination was involved and that it shows no concern for whether or not the "true" culprits are punished instead of animals that have no say in the fate of man. Why this drawn out ritual until Jesus? Only God knows, but if the Bible is true then innocent blood is what is needed.
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BiblicalAtheist
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alissowack;414525 said:Only God knows, but if the Bible is true then innocent blood is what is needed.
I was just completely revolted by this notion. Made me sick to my stomach. Very barbaric and uncivilized.
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alissowack
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BiblicalAtheist;412539 said:Yeah I haven't found one single human who doesn't make errors. That's the human way, trial and error.
If sin is simply just about human error, then there is chance that it can be corrected. However, if sin is a condition or a diagnosis, then there is nothing that moral can do to get rid of it.
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BiblicalAtheist
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alissowack;414707 said:If sin is simply just about human error, then there is chance that it can be corrected. However, if sin is a condition or a diagnosis, then there is nothing that moral can do to get rid of it.
Its not "if", that is what sin means, by definition... "to err, or miss the mark".
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alissowack
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BiblicalAtheist;414963 said:Its not "if", that is what sin means, by definition... "to err, or miss the mark".
Even in that definition, does it simply imply the act of missing the mark, or does our whole being miss the mark? If it's just an act, then it has more of a chance of being corrected. If it is our being, then the error is in our existence; that we are born missing the mark.
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BiblicalAtheist
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alissowack;416307 said:Even in that definition, does it simply imply the act of missing the mark, or does our whole being miss the mark? If it's just an act, then it has more of a chance of being corrected. If it is our being, then the error is in our existence; that we are born missing the mark.
If it implied our whole being as missing the mark, we'd never get anything right.
We aren't born missing the mark, we are born into a world of sin. Born into a world of error, of people missing the mark.
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No, the Bible doesn't teach we are already 'missing the mark' when we are born. Yes, it teaches we are 'missing the mark' when we know right from wrong, and choose to break a commandment of God.
And as far as forgiveness of sins and blood, all we can speak on about what God had in mind regarding the issue is what is revealed to us in scripture. Bottom line is blood is required. Why animals? It is what God chose, and it is the practice He chose to sanctify. Plus the committing of sin inherits a debt that cannot be paid by the sinner. It can't be paid for with cash, it can't be paid for with animal blood, it can't even be paid for just by the death of the sinner. it takes something worth way more, hence it took the blood of Christ. The Bible tells us Christ purchase the church with his own blood. He laid down his own life so that His children may live. That's how you know somebody love you.
And as far as forgiveness of sins and blood, all we can speak on about what God had in mind regarding the issue is what is revealed to us in scripture. Bottom line is blood is required. Why animals? It is what God chose, and it is the practice He chose to sanctify. Plus the committing of sin inherits a debt that cannot be paid by the sinner. It can't be paid for with cash, it can't be paid for with animal blood, it can't even be paid for just by the death of the sinner. it takes something worth way more, hence it took the blood of Christ. The Bible tells us Christ purchase the church with his own blood. He laid down his own life so that His children may live. That's how you know somebody love you.
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alissowack
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BiblicalAtheist;416349 said:If it implied our whole being as missing the mark, we'd never get anything right.
We aren't born missing the mark, we are born into a world of sin. Born into a world of error, of people missing the mark.
Oh, you can still do what is morally acceptable, but moral performance is not a means to being accepted by God.
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TX_Made713
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Its cause of the thou shall not kill commandment isnt it......
which brings me to another point, the bible tells us not to kill yet he wiped out the dinosaurs...so whats up with that?
which brings me to another point, the bible tells us not to kill yet he wiped out the dinosaurs...so whats up with that?
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