Pros / Cons About Marriage

[2stepz_ahead]

an why we bringing up slave time and the 40s shit?

are chicks really using someone else's relationship to power they motives?

cuz papop cheated on nanna....niggas ainy shit.

did chicks ever think the men were beat down so much then come home to fukkery....drinking and/or a patient freaky non needy side chick was there escape from reality.

 

[atribecalledgabi]

hmmmm.

I think leaving should be an option...but not if the character of the person is different from the circumstances.

if a guy loses his job from being laid off...yet he's is not OK with being out of work and actively goes out to seek employment daily...an is not OK with colleting unemployment.. should she still be looking at the door if he held it down for a decade but been ouuta work for a year?

should the female hold down the home, without complaint until he gets back on his feet since the character of the man was putting family first?

Of course you should give each other time to get out of a hole. That's a given. But that's not really what I'm talking about...my point was that either gender roles are being misconstrued or they're not. If they are, then we're going against the natural order of women nurturing and making the house the man provided a home. If they're not, then it shouldn't be wrong for women to seek out who they feel is the *best provider*.

*finding the best provider is where I feel like some women fuck up at...there was a poster who shall remain unnamed (he don't even post here no more but just in case he be lurkin I don't wana give him the satisfaction of thinkin i think he's smart lol) years ago who said this - "there's always someone 'better' but that's not what love/relationships are about"...point being, "the best" might not be what's best for you. Ppl wana be in the fast lane but the middle lane will take you exactly where you need to go also.*

But to your point, I can't really give a time table. I'm not married so I can't say what somebody else should or shouldn't put up with for whatever amount of time...

 

[atribecalledgabi]

an why we bringing up slave time and the 40s shit?

are chicks really using someone else's relationship to power they motives?

cuz papop cheated on nanna....niggas ainy shit.

did chicks ever think the men were beat down so much then come home to fukkery....drinking and/or a patient freaky non needy side chick was there escape from reality.

Lmaooooo nah all that shit matters. But ppl will cite how divorce rates of today are much higher than in those times...will romanticize about how much worse it was back then but they still stayed together. But if a lot of those couples from back then had the options we have now, niggas woulda been getting divorced left and right.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

hmmmm.

I think leaving should be an option...but not if the character of the person is different from the circumstances.

if a guy loses his job from being laid off...yet he's is not OK with being out of work and actively goes out to seek employment daily...an is not OK with colleting unemployment.. should she still be looking at the door if he held it down for a decade but been ouuta work for a year?

should the female hold down the home, without complaint until he gets back on his feet since the character of the man was putting family first?

Of course you should give each other time to get out of a hole. That's a given. But that's not really what I'm talking about...my point was that either gender roles are being misconstrued or they're not. If they are, then we're going against the natural order of women nurturing and making the house the man provided a home. If they're not, then it shouldn't be wrong for women to seek out who they feel is the *best provider*.

*finding the best provider is where I feel like some women fuck up at...there was a poster who shall remain unnamed (he don't even post here no more but just in case he be lurkin I don't wana give him the satisfaction of thinkin i think he's smart lol) years ago who said this - "there's always someone 'better' but that's not what love/relationships are about"...point being, "the best" might not be what's best for you. Ppl wana be in the fast lane but the middle lane will take you exactly where you need to go also.*

But to your point, I can't really give a time table. I'm not married so I can't say what somebody else should or shouldn't put up with for whatever amount of time...

this kinda goes to to my point a page or so back. I know my wife always runs into better but is it right for her...

.but life is like the sims.....you start off with 100 points an 10 sections to place them in. you might be good in some places but lacking in others. finding who compliments you is key.

but if a nigga aint tryin to do shit...yes she should leave. broken promises.... yes leave. but it shouldn't be about what's better vs what's needed.

 

[LordZuko]

Majority of men aren't understanding what the problem is because of a basic failure to understand the difference between how men love and women love.

Men love the person. We can lust for anyone but when we let ourselves love a bitch It's because we see something about her that we want in our lives. Most times it's her displaying some maternal shit that subconsciously remind us of our mothers. (Men marry their mothers or mother like figure)

Men will fuck a lot of bitches but maybe only love a handful.

Females on the other hand do not love the person, they love what the person can do for them. They love that a man compliments them, offers financial security, can give them an orgasm, can buy them things. They don't love you.

Think it's a game? Next time your girl say she love you, ask her what she loves about you. 9 out of 10 it's gonna be something that you do for her, you make her happy, you make her feel special she loves you because You love her. Her love is transactional

How does this translate into marriage and divorce? Most women decide marriage partners on the ability of the mate to provide resources and stability. Females are security first at that time. The reason why females initiate divorce a majority of the time is because they feel their mate is no longer providing those physical needs, secondly, she feels that someone else obtainable can provide better for her, or lastly, through the state she can secure resources from the man while no longer being married to him.

Why can females do this So easily? Because they never loved you in the first place, they loved your resources what you can do for them.

There are some hard truths in what you said.

Yet not all the females are wired like this.

ITS ABOUT THE EDUCATION. Most women, until they reach menaupose, are educated in a sense that they are convinced that THEY DESERVE ALL THATS BEST IN THE WORLD JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE FRESH AND BEAUTIFULL.

If they start crying, daddy comes at the rescue.

When they walk near a door, a man will hold it

When they near a seat, a man will hold/ give his seat.

When they dont have something, a man will provide it for them

When a ship is sinking, women first and men later

When there is war , no women on the front lines

Etc...

Hence the behavior of most women, wether they work or not. Its rare but it exist women who are not educated this way. Blessed is the man who criss their path and catch them. But for the majority you will encouter the oaformentioned behavior.

But life is a bitch. Once they HIT THE WALL and see their youth disapearing OVERNIGHT, the get a reality check : all the super attention was because of their physical freshness.

For some women its ADULTHOOD TIME. For the others ITS A NIGHMARE. Hence the cougar/ oversexual behavior.

All that to say that we are all responsible about women general behavior. We educate them, we treat them like QUEENS/ PRINCESSES/IRRESPONSIBLE/INNOCENT beings... as long as they are fuckable.

In some way we cannot complain about what we create.

No. What you're describing is chivalry and that is less than 1000 years ago.

What I'm describing is evolutionary psychology and can be witnessed in other mammalian species.

 

[7figz]

I know (or hear) that prenups get thrown out but I think if a woman wants to keep it fair - she'd sign that prenup.

I'd say a woman who ain't down to sign a prenup is a red flag (with a clear pre-understanding that prenups might not be shit).

I'm not even so much supporting the gender roles things as long as we understand that certain shit just gotta get done, and nobody's making someone do something beneath their dignity or self-respect.

That gender-role shit is a whole other can of worms, pretty much agreeing to how other people might want to run their marriage and not how you would.

 

[aneed123]

Majority of men aren't understanding what the problem is because of a basic failure to understand the difference between how men love and women love.

Men love the person. We can lust for anyone but when we let ourselves love a bitch It's because we see something about her that we want in our lives. Most times it's her displaying some maternal shit that subconsciously remind us of our mothers. (Men marry their mothers or mother like figure)

Men will fuck a lot of bitches but maybe only love a handful.

Females on the other hand do not love the person, they love what the person can do for them. They love that a man compliments them, offers financial security, can give them an orgasm, can buy them things. They don't love you.

Think it's a game? Next time your girl say she love you, ask her what she loves about you. 9 out of 10 it's gonna be something that you do for her, you make her happy, you make her feel special she loves you because You love her. Her love is transactional

How does this translate into marriage and divorce? Most women decide marriage partners on the ability of the mate to provide resources and stability. Females are security first at that time. The reason why females initiate divorce a majority of the time is because they feel their mate is no longer providing those physical needs, secondly, she feels that someone else obtainable can provide better for her, or lastly, through the state she can secure resources from the man while no longer being married to him.

Why can females do this So easily? Because they never loved you in the first place, they loved your resources what you can do for them.

I been Tryna say this the whole thread ya know? Seems like we are saying the same thing but from different angles.. I agree with all of this..

These women ain't sticking around for nobodies BS.. They'll fuck and suck whomever no matter the reputation it gives then until they find what/who makes them happy.. And they'll keep a little from each past nigga as insurance and the courts back up this behavior..

This is why is hard to valiudate it benefiting a man. Mist women are users in that sense then will leave when they "aren't happy anymore and the man loses financially. The game is rigged b

 

[blackrain]

@blakfyahking If I make it seem like it's so simple it's most likely because of the forum of discussion which is why I always emphasize I know there's more to any story. You don't know the true "why" behind a divorce unless you were there through the whole thing. So of course from the outside looking in w/o knowing the intimate details it's going to be difficult to find that grey area that the majority of things lie in. As for your examples in the spoilers...of course people change but there's certain personality traits you have and have had for years. Very few people get new personality traits from the age of 35-40. Of course you mature and become more of certain things but for something brand new about you to just emerge after a certain age? That shit I just don't buy. And yes there are niggas who do get married hoping that the woman will change just like women do the same. You remember that scene in The Best Man where Morris Chestnut was telling his homeboy how he thought the cure to cheating was getting married? You know it's people out there who think that stupid shit. I know it because I've heard niggas say it. Shit like that is what I'm talking when I say there's people who go into marriage w/ unrealistic ideas of just what a marriage is and how to maintain one. How do you evaluate somebody on some shit you couldn't see them going through? Well unless you've never seen your spouse in a pressure situation then you should have a good idea of how they handle situations when their feet are at the fire. Or at the very least how they react to any sort of pressure being put on them whether it be professional or personal. No you can't predict every situation that will occur in a marriage but to say you have no idea at all how you at least think they would react? Yes I'm going to say you simply didn't pay enough attention.

u mentioned ages 35-40 but I notice u skipped over 24 - 34 which is generally the age when a lot of people get married the 1st time

confirmed personality changes or not, people tend to change and that is an undisputed fact

so yeah mofos bring out all sorts of shit at different ages........that alleged "mid-life crisis" shit is real.......and it can happen to mofos at any age of adulthood

people go thru shit and and even surprise themselves at how they didn't even know what personality quirks they had inside.......so how can a spouse confidently predict or even prepare for that?

u saying u should be able to evaluate ur spouse in a pressure situation, but that is bullshit unless ur lucky to see similar situations

and even still, how somebody reacts to one event doesn't mean they will react the same way to a similar event

u really believe u can predict in advance how losing a parent, or losing a child, or going thru a life changing event will affect ur spouse? that's why I believe u using naive logic

hell u even gave a movie as an example..........u really think that there are that many simple minded niggaz out here getting married? haha

makes me wonder how many allegedly stupid mofos u really know, cuz it can't be that many

for the record it ain't just dumb mofos out here finding themselves in bad marriages and getting divorced........cuz shit nigga even I was in TAG classes growing up :joy:

it just sounds like u need to keep living and maybe u will see shit ain't never that simple when it comes to relationships.........hopefully u will never have someone bust that bubble u living in

Again I never said you can predict I said you should at the very least have an idea. I said that outright so idk why you keep repeating something I never said. And yeah there are plenty stupid people out there getting married for dumb reasons or thinking marriage will change or curb certain behaviors. Any man whose been married knows that as soon as older folks find out your getting married you get hit with all sorts of stories about what to do and what not to do and I was amazed at how many people got divorced over shit like "Well they wanted kids and I didn't" or other shit you think would be discussed between 2 people talking about making a life long committment to each other. Its funny you say I live in a bubble because I'm actually pessimistic as fuck and tend to expect the worst from people and most situations. Again I don't think shit is simple but I also think people do at times make things harder for themselves by not digging enough or putting their hope into shit they shouldn't.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Majority of men aren't understanding what the problem is because of a basic failure to understand the difference between how men love and women love.

Men love the person. We can lust for anyone but when we let ourselves love a bitch It's because we see something about her that we want in our lives. Most times it's her displaying some maternal shit that subconsciously remind us of our mothers. (Men marry their mothers or mother like figure)

Men will fuck a lot of bitches but maybe only love a handful.

Females on the other hand do not love the person, they love what the person can do for them. They love that a man compliments them, offers financial security, can give them an orgasm, can buy them things. They don't love you.

Think it's a game? Next time your girl say she love you, ask her what she loves about you. 9 out of 10 it's gonna be something that you do for her, you make her happy, you make her feel special she loves you because You love her. Her love is transactional

How does this translate into marriage and divorce? Most women decide marriage partners on the ability of the mate to provide resources and stability. Females are security first at that time. The reason why females initiate divorce a majority of the time is because they feel their mate is no longer providing those physical needs, secondly, she feels that someone else obtainable can provide better for her, or lastly, through the state she can secure resources from the man while no longer being married to him.

Why can females do this So easily? Because they never loved you in the first place, they loved your resources what you can do for them.

There are some hard truths in what you said.

Yet not all the females are wired like this.

ITS ABOUT THE EDUCATION. Most women, until they reach menaupose, are educated in a sense that they are convinced that THEY DESERVE ALL THATS BEST IN THE WORLD JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE FRESH AND BEAUTIFULL.

If they start crying, daddy comes at the rescue.

When they walk near a door, a man will hold it

When they near a seat, a man will hold/ give his seat.

When they dont have something, a man will provide it for them

When a ship is sinking, women first and men later

When there is war , no women on the front lines

Etc...

Hence the behavior of most women, wether they work or not. Its rare but it exist women who are not educated this way. Blessed is the man who criss their path and catch them. But for the majority you will encouter the oaformentioned behavior.

But life is a bitch. Once they HIT THE WALL and see their youth disapearing OVERNIGHT, the get a reality check : all the super attention was because of their physical freshness.

For some women its ADULTHOOD TIME. For the others ITS A NIGHMARE. Hence the cougar/ oversexual behavior.

All that to say that we are all responsible about women general behavior. We educate them, we treat them like QUEENS/ PRINCESSES/IRRESPONSIBLE/INNOCENT beings... as long as they are fuckable.

In some way we cannot complain about what we create.

No. What you're describing is chivalry and that is less than 1000 years ago.

What I'm describing is evolutionary psychology and can be witnessed in other mammalian species.

You can convert the held door with FACEBOOK INSTAGRAM LIKES AND GIFTS. Yeah women nowadays are recieving money and gifts just by posting pics ONLINE. In a sense it got worse.

Its more than chivalery imo : its about puting women on a pedestal they havent deserved. Its about us men treated them like they dont need dick, like they dont need to put effort to get something. When the whole society treats you like this what do you expect from these women?

To develop their feelings? Hell nah they wont since they are GODS. Since their puss is a wallstreet chest in which you put your stocks, in which you invest.

Once the TENDENCY ABOUT HOW WE VIEW WOMEN chift in a more HUMANIZING ONE, things will get better relationshipwise.

But for now, good luck finding a woman who will tell you ' baby, put on your clothes ima take you to dinner' ' baby, i got a surprise for the vacation. Ive saved all year to take you there'

98% you its on you. And she is since her childhood convinced that SHE DOESNT HAVE TO SWEAT FOR SHIT!!! And if you cant realise most of her needs then she can boynce because ITS YOUR FAULT.

 

[aneed123]

Also the dating someone who loves u more than u love them is real...

 

[blackrain]

an why we bringing up slave time and the 40s shit?

are chicks really using someone else's relationship to power they motives?

cuz papop cheated on nanna....niggas ainy shit.

did chicks ever think the men were beat down so much then come home to fukkery....drinking and/or a patient freaky non needy side chick was there escape from reality.

Lmaooooo nah all that shit matters. But ppl will cite how divorce rates of today are much higher than in those times...will romanticize about how much worse it was back then but they still stayed together. But if a lot of those couples from back then had the options we have now, niggas woulda been getting divorced left and right.

I said that shit a few pages back. If the stigma of divorce wasn't so heavy and women had to financial mobility they do now a lot of people grandparents would've been divorced

 

[aneed123]

an why we bringing up slave time and the 40s shit?

are chicks really using someone else's relationship to power they motives?

cuz papop cheated on nanna....niggas ainy shit.

did chicks ever think the men were beat down so much then come home to fukkery....drinking and/or a patient freaky non needy side chick was there escape from reality.

Lmaooooo nah all that shit matters. But ppl will cite how divorce rates of today are much higher than in those times...will romanticize about how much worse it was back then but they still stayed together. But if a lot of those couples from back then had the options we have now, niggas woulda been getting divorced left and right.

I said that shit a few pages back. If the stigma of divorce wasn't so heavy and women had to financial mobility they do now a lot of people grandparents would've been divorced

Child support and half really showed their true intentions and how the world really is.

 

[Max.]

Cons u share that girl

I get her froggy

 

[2stepz_ahead]

now that niggas off my back....

next time a man wins a divorce hearing...we should applaud......

but alot of times the man gets roasted for being a man winning off a woman....but a man losing is part of the game...

 

[Mister B.]

Majority of men aren't understanding what the problem is because of a basic failure to understand the difference between how men love and women love.

Men love the person. We can lust for anyone but when we let ourselves love a bitch It's because we see something about her that we want in our lives. Most times it's her displaying some maternal shit that subconsciously remind us of our mothers. (Men marry their mothers or mother like figure)

Men will fuck a lot of bitches but maybe only love a handful.

Females on the other hand do not love the person, they love what the person can do for them. They love that a man compliments them, offers financial security, can give them an orgasm, can buy them things. They don't love you.

Think it's a game? Next time your girl say she love you, ask her what she loves about you. 9 out of 10 it's gonna be something that you do for her, you make her happy, you make her feel special she loves you because You love her. Her love is transactional

How does this translate into marriage and divorce? Most women decide marriage partners on the ability of the mate to provide resources and stability. Females are security first at that time. The reason why females initiate divorce a majority of the time is because they feel their mate is no longer providing those physical needs, secondly, she feels that someone else obtainable can provide better for her, or lastly, through the state she can secure resources from the man while no longer being married to him.

Why can females do this So easily? Because they never loved you in the first place, they loved your resources what you can do for them.

And y'all got on me.

This muhfucker is FULL BLOWN MGTOW.

"Smiling like a proud dad watching his only son that made it."

 

[LordZuko]

an why we bringing up slave time and the 40s shit?

are chicks really using someone else's relationship to power they motives?

cuz papop cheated on nanna....niggas ainy shit.

did chicks ever think the men were beat down so much then come home to fukkery....drinking and/or a patient freaky non needy side chick was there escape from reality.

Lmaooooo nah all that shit matters. But ppl will cite how divorce rates of today are much higher than in those times...will romanticize about how much worse it was back then but they still stayed together. But if a lot of those couples from back then had the options we have now, niggas woulda been getting divorced left and right.

Yes your grandma is a dusty hoe as well and if the divorce laws were similar in the 50s as they became in the 70s a lot of them would've gotten divorced

In the 70s "no fault" divorce kicked in.

Bitches: you mean i don't need a valid reason to request a divorce and file for alimony. That's all me.

Divorce skyrocketed. Welfare reform meant that Bitches were encouraged to have kids with no man around. They became capitalists with their pussy but socialists with the consequences.

Bitches never been shit but you have to give them the environment to expose themselves.

 

[aneed123]

an why we bringing up slave time and the 40s shit?

are chicks really using someone else's relationship to power they motives?

cuz papop cheated on nanna....niggas ainy shit.

did chicks ever think the men were beat down so much then come home to fukkery....drinking and/or a patient freaky non needy side chick was there escape from reality.

Lmaooooo nah all that shit matters. But ppl will cite how divorce rates of today are much higher than in those times...will romanticize about how much worse it was back then but they still stayed together. But if a lot of those couples from back then had the options we have now, niggas woulda been getting divorced left and right.

Yes your grandma is a dusty hoe as well and if the divorce laws were similar in the 50s as they became in the 70s a lot of them would've gotten divorced

In the 70s "no fault" divorce kicked in.

Bitches: you mean i don't need a valid reason to request a divorce and file for alimony. That's all me.

Divorce skyrocketed. Welfare reform meant that Bitches were encouraged to have kids with no man around. They became capitalists with their pussy but socialists with the consequences.

Bitches never been shit but you have to give them the environment to expose themselves.

Divorce laws,were the proverbial straw that broke the black families back

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

an why we bringing up slave time and the 40s shit?

are chicks really using someone else's relationship to power they motives?

cuz papop cheated on nanna....niggas ainy shit.

did chicks ever think the men were beat down so much then come home to fukkery....drinking and/or a patient freaky non needy side chick was there escape from reality.

Lmaooooo nah all that shit matters. But ppl will cite how divorce rates of today are much higher than in those times...will romanticize about how much worse it was back then but they still stayed together. But if a lot of those couples from back then had the options we have now, niggas woulda been getting divorced left and right.

Yes your grandma is a dusty hoe as well and if the divorce laws were similar in the 50s as they became in the 70s a lot of them would've gotten divorced

In the 70s "no fault" divorce kicked in.

Bitches: you mean i don't need a valid reason to request a divorce and file for alimony. That's all me.

Divorce skyrocketed. Welfare reform meant that Bitches were encouraged to have kids with no man around. They became capitalists with their pussy but socialists with the consequences.

Bitches never been shit but you have to give them the environment to expose themselves.

Divorce laws,were the proverbial straw that broke the black families back

expound

otherwise the last 60 or so years blk women have tended to be better educated and higher wage earners than our men

so alimony, and to a lesser extent child support, wasn't factoring largely into our decision making

and no fault divorces gave ppl, especially blk women, trapped in unhappy and abusive marriages the opportunity to leave. so I argue it saved many of blk ppl a lot of strife and heart ache. even some lives. in divorce where fault must be proven, men and women would have to provide solid evidence to a judge that their spouse was abusing them or cheating on them. this would be especially difficult for abuse victims who did not have access to legal help or the finances to fight for a divorce

in states with new, no-fault divorce laws, numbers show domestic abuse murders fell by 10 percent. In addition, female suicide rates dropped by 20 percent
http://www.mollybkenny.com/news/study--no-fault-divorce-laws-prevent-crime---save-lives-20130607.cfm

and I'd also argue the blk family was broken way before no fault divorces and the like

not to say that some women don't/didn't use the court system to their advantage, but not to the extent you all are arguing ...especially blk women

and unlike our non blk counterparts blk women were less inclined to be defined by "marriage" because their was less certainty and stability in our relationships... our men more likely to be killed, murdered, imprisoned, tempted by other women, etc at any moment

welfare reform did decrease the incentives to get married by giving women greater financial independence, but there is no strong evidence to support the claim welfare promotes out of wedlock childbirth and divorce

states with higher than average AFDC benefits tend to have lower than average non-marital birthrates

and there is no evidence welfare reform had any impact on the long term decline in marriage

that said, i do believe today that we can now limit alimony ...

 

[aneed123]

an why we bringing up slave time and the 40s shit?

are chicks really using someone else's relationship to power they motives?

cuz papop cheated on nanna....niggas ainy shit.

did chicks ever think the men were beat down so much then come home to fukkery....drinking and/or a patient freaky non needy side chick was there escape from reality.

Lmaooooo nah all that shit matters. But ppl will cite how divorce rates of today are much higher than in those times...will romanticize about how much worse it was back then but they still stayed together. But if a lot of those couples from back then had the options we have now, niggas woulda been getting divorced left and right.

Yes your grandma is a dusty hoe as well and if the divorce laws were similar in the 50s as they became in the 70s a lot of them would've gotten divorced

In the 70s "no fault" divorce kicked in.

Bitches: you mean i don't need a valid reason to request a divorce and file for alimony. That's all me.

Divorce skyrocketed. Welfare reform meant that Bitches were encouraged to have kids with no man around. They became capitalists with their pussy but socialists with the consequences.

Bitches never been shit but you have to give them the environment to expose themselves.

Divorce laws,were the proverbial straw that broke the black families back

expound

otherwise the last 60 or so years blk women have tended to be better educated and higher wage earners than our men

so alimony, and to a lesser extent child support, wasn't factoring largely into our decision making

and no fault divorces gave ppl, especially blk women, trapped in unhappy and abusive marriages the opportunity to leave. so I argue it saved many of blk ppl a lot of strife and heart ache. even some lives. in divorce where fault must be proven, men and women would have to provide solid evidence to a judge that their spouse was abusing them or cheating on them. this would be especially difficult for abuse victims who did not have access to legal help or the finances to fight for a divorce

in states with new, no-fault divorce laws, numbers show domestic abuse murders fell by 10 percent. In addition, female suicide rates dropped by 20 percent
http://www.mollybkenny.com/news/study--no-fault-divorce-laws-prevent-crime---save-lives-20130607.cfm

and I'd also argue the blk family was broken way before no fault divorces and the like

not to say that some women don't/didn't use the court system to their advantage, but not to the extent you all are arguing ...especially blk women

and unlike our non blk counterparts blk women were less inclined to be defined by "marriage" because their was less certainty and stability in our relationships... our men more likely to be killed, murdered, imprisoned, tempted by other women, etc at any moment

welfare reform did decrease the incentives to get married by giving women greater financial independence, but there is no strong evidence to support the claim welfare promotes out of wedlock childbirth and divorce

states with higher than average AFDC benefits tend to have lower than average non-marital birthrates

and there is no evidence welfare reform had any impact on the long term decline in marriage

that said, i do believe today that we can now limit alimony ...

Now more men are locked up or face charges cuz the white man put a price on what beiing a father is.... women know they can leave whenever they aren't "happy get theur work check they ex check and they new nigga check...vs staying trying to work the relationship out... I can go deeper but I'm I'm driving

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

an why we bringing up slave time and the 40s shit?

are chicks really using someone else's relationship to power they motives?

cuz papop cheated on nanna....niggas ainy shit.

did chicks ever think the men were beat down so much then come home to fukkery....drinking and/or a patient freaky non needy side chick was there escape from reality.

Lmaooooo nah all that shit matters. But ppl will cite how divorce rates of today are much higher than in those times...will romanticize about how much worse it was back then but they still stayed together. But if a lot of those couples from back then had the options we have now, niggas woulda been getting divorced left and right.

Yes your grandma is a dusty hoe as well and if the divorce laws were similar in the 50s as they became in the 70s a lot of them would've gotten divorced

In the 70s "no fault" divorce kicked in.

Bitches: you mean i don't need a valid reason to request a divorce and file for alimony. That's all me.

Divorce skyrocketed. Welfare reform meant that Bitches were encouraged to have kids with no man around. They became capitalists with their pussy but socialists with the consequences.

Bitches never been shit but you have to give them the environment to expose themselves.

Divorce laws,were the proverbial straw that broke the black families back

expound

otherwise the last 60 or so years blk women have tended to be better educated and higher wage earners than our men

so alimony, and to a lesser extent child support, wasn't factoring largely into our decision making

and no fault divorces gave ppl, especially blk women, trapped in unhappy and abusive marriages the opportunity to leave. so I argue it saved many of blk ppl a lot of strife and heart ache. even some lives. in divorce where fault must be proven, men and women would have to provide solid evidence to a judge that their spouse was abusing them or cheating on them. this would be especially difficult for abuse victims who did not have access to legal help or the finances to fight for a divorce

in states with new, no-fault divorce laws, numbers show domestic abuse murders fell by 10 percent. In addition, female suicide rates dropped by 20 percent
http://www.mollybkenny.com/news/study--no-fault-divorce-laws-prevent-crime---save-lives-20130607.cfm

and I'd also argue the blk family was broken way before no fault divorces and the like

not to say that some women don't/didn't use the court system to their advantage, but not to the extent you all are arguing ...especially blk women

and unlike our non blk counterparts blk women were less inclined to be defined by "marriage" because their was less certainty and stability in our relationships... our men more likely to be killed, murdered, imprisoned, tempted by other women, etc at any moment

welfare reform did decrease the incentives to get married by giving women greater financial independence, but there is no strong evidence to support the claim welfare promotes out of wedlock childbirth and divorce

states with higher than average AFDC benefits tend to have lower than average non-marital birthrates

and there is no evidence welfare reform had any impact on the long term decline in marriage

that said, i do believe today that we can now limit alimony ...

Now more men are locked up or face charges cuz the white man put a price on what beiing a father is.... women know they can leave whenever they aren't "happy get theur work check they ex check and they new nigga check...vs staying trying to work the relationship out... I can go deeper but I'm I'm driving

Ailmony is typically awarded to the highest earner, breadwinner

Did you read my post? Lol

And yes no fault divorces make it so anyone including women can leave an unhappy or abusive marriage without having to have a drawn out expensive battle in court that a low income person and or stay at home wife/mom could not afford

And why is that such a bad thing

We should make it harder for these ppl to escape a bad situation because a few women are taking advantage of the system

Smh