Perspective

[zombie]

evolution does not disprove god so i don't see what the problem is, if evolution is real then god created it.

How do you explain Jesus words in Matthew 19? When discussing the issues of divorce, Jesus plainly states that God created man and woman in the beginning.

"Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female." Matthew 19:4

This is God in human flesh asking you if you have read the scriptures. If you have, Jesus says that they record that in the beginning God made male and female. This account is recorded in Genesis 1 and 2.

You either have to deny what Jesus is saying, therefore calling God a liar or your going to have to accept what Jesus is saying, therefore believing that God is true. Amen.

You don't have to deny anything the bible says god made HUMANS but it does not say how, it gives no details on exactly how he did it. God being omnipotent he can guide the biological changes in his creatures according to his will simply by changing the environment god can change and shape our biology. Afterall god invented the physics that govern biology. Evolution explains biology but not human conscious, the human spirit and soul came directly from god.

The bible says adam was made from the dust of the ground dust is not alive. YET thanks to god LIFE came from it Science says the chemical reactions of minerals birth to life to the modern mind this sounds alot like abiogenesis. science also says that all physical matter came from star dust.

 

[zombie]

evolution does not disprove god so i don't see what the problem is, if evolution is real then god created it.

God disproves evolution.....

Man was created.....

By a creator......

Not from a coincidental gene split that diverged from apes.....

EVOLUTION only looks coincidental to us but god would knows the result of every gene split and what genes he would want to survive.

 

[whar]

Two lines of evidence point to the 6,000,000 years ago us diverging from our nearest ancestor with the Chimps.

The first is the molecular clock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_clock ). This works with neutral mutations, those mutations which do not effect reproductive success, and can establish a timeline between two species.

The second is anthropological evidence. Tim White and several others are currently working to find early hominid fossils. These fossils currently support the 6mya divergence with Lucy about 3.2mya, A Anamensis about 4 mya, and A ramidus going about 4.5mya. The oldest hominid every found is Toumai from Chad which dates to about 6.5mya. Quite a bit of dispute exists regarding this fossil since it is extremely similar to to other apes and the hominid indications are just beginning to show.

 

[whar]

"your evolution theory is constructed funny.... dont you think?" - Premeer

"Its construct is quite sound. " - Whar

"all good lies are if you really get into the heart of it. thats where lies are sold." - Premeer

Either it is constructed oddly or it is not. Pick one and stick with it.

its constructed funny because it makes sure the "evolution" goes back before any type of documentation to prevent from being "debunked". its a method to protect itself. thats what i mean by constructed funny.. conveniently goes back too far on purpose. lies are easy to pass off if you claim the lie took place a long enough time ago. maybe you should ask why i say its funny before drawing conclusions.

"this pic is approx. 3,890 years old.."

"just thought that, maybe, if evolution was real, that maybe, these humans would look more ape-ish"

Massive misunderstanding of evolution revealed. The picture is only 155 or so generation removed from today. Since we diverged from apes ~6,000,000 years ago they should look .06% more apeish. (This assume evolutionary changes occur at an even speed over time.) In other words people from 4,000 years ago should look just like us.

Only someone stunningly ignorant in the process of evolution would expect something else.

you dont understand so ill put it like this,

evolution is under the belief that we evolved from an ape breed.. so if evolution is real, that would mean everything would have to constantly be changing.

for instance if, a childs birth date is the 1st human of the ape tree, and a 40 year old is to the humans we have today... then that means we are growing and changing every day... and the 155 generations would be PLENTY of time for evolution to be seen.. but there IS NO changes...

a child doesnt go from a day old to 40 years old over night... theres growth every day in his life....

so how does a ape grow to a human without growing at all during the 155 generations? if theres not growth / change, then that right there, logically, proves evolution is not real.

im sorry, but you believe a elaborated lie.

@whar

If a child's birth is the first divergence from the ape tree and a 40 year old is today then the folks from 3900 years should look like the 40 year old .... 8.76 days ago.

you dont get it. obviously.

You don't get it. The vast amount of evolution that goes on is not visible to the eye. In the last 5,000 years humans have evolved to digest milk, evolved half a dozen genetic improvements to stop or slow malaria, and produced a new blood type the Duffy Antigen group.

The only physical difference that has evolved over the last 5,000 years has been a shrinking of our cranium size and this has been very slight.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

evolution does not disprove god so i don't see what the problem is, if evolution is real then god created it.

How do you explain Jesus words in Matthew 19? When discussing the issues of divorce, Jesus plainly states that God created man and woman in the beginning.

"Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female." Matthew 19:4

This is God in human flesh asking you if you have read the scriptures. If you have, Jesus says that they record that in the beginning God made male and female. This account is recorded in Genesis 1 and 2.

You either have to deny what Jesus is saying, therefore calling God a liar or your going to have to accept what Jesus is saying, therefore believing that God is true. Amen.

You don't have to deny anything the bible says god made HUMANS but it does not say how, it gives no details on exactly how he did it. God being omnipotent he can guide the biological changes in his creatures according to his will simply by changing the environment god can change and shape our biology. Afterall god invented the physics that govern biology. Evolution explains biology but not human conscious, the human spirit and soul came directly from god.

The bible says adam was made from the dust of the ground dust is not alive. YET thanks to god LIFE came from it Science says the chemical reactions of minerals birth to life to the modern mind this sounds alot like abiogenesis. science also says that all physical matter came from star dust.

You forgot a major part of the creation story my friend. Let me refresh your memory.

"Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." Genesis 2:7

So actually God tells us how man became alive. After God formed man from the dust, God breahted into his nostrils the breath of life and man became alive. God is the life giver. He is the one who sustains us. His breath of life is what allows us to live.

If Genesis 2:7 still doesn't convince you (which it should, but God also says that out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses every matter is established) there are many other verses in the Bible that confirm that it is the breath of God that gives life.

"For the life of every living thing is in his hand, and the breath of every human being." Job 12:10

"All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;" Job 27:3

"The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33:4

"If it were his intention and he withdrew his spirit and breath, all humanity would perish together and mankind would return to the dust." Job 34:15



"When you hide your face, they are terrified; when you take away their breath, they die and return to the dust. When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground." Psalm 104:30



“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. ‘For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring." Acts 17:24-28

So actually the Bible confirms itself, which it always does. And it tells us that God made man and woman as distinct creatures in His image and after His likeness. When God formed man from the dust, man didn't become a living soul until God animated the dust with His life giving spirit. The moment that God takes away mans breath, man dies and returns to back to the dust. Scripture confirms this fact as well as the graveyard. Amen.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Two lines of evidence point to the 6,000,000 years ago us diverging from our nearest ancestor with the Chimps.

The first is the molecular clock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_clock ). This works with neutral mutations, those mutations which do not effect reproductive success, and can establish a timeline between two species.

The second is anthropological evidence. Tim White and several others are currently working to find early hominid fossils. These fossils currently support the 6mya divergence with Lucy about 3.2mya, A Anamensis about 4 mya, and A ramidus going about 4.5mya. The oldest hominid every found is Toumai from Chad which dates to about 6.5mya. Quite a bit of dispute exists regarding this fossil since it is extremely similar to to other apes and the hominid indications are just beginning to show.

I don't buy that molecular clock non-sense. First the theory is already flawed because it is working from an evolutionary basis. Second the theory is based on nothing but estimation in regards to what the fossil record shows. Thirdly the calibration section on the link you provided is absolutely laughable. I can't believe you actually believe this non-sense whar. Your smarter than this. God gave you a brain my friend. Stop feeding into these lies.

Also there is no anthropological evidence for evolution. How can there be no missing links in the fossil record if evolution was true? We are taking about the change of MILLIONS of species over the course of time, but yet nobody can find the missing link which shows ape like creatures becoming human? LOL. It's a wild goose chase and their chasing after nothing but the wind. No one can find the missing link (which should be littered everywhere in the fossil record if evolution was true) because it's not there Whar. You know this my friend. You know that God exists. You just don't want to give Him glory. Give Him glory my friend. He loves you and wants to give you life. Will you come to Him today?

 

[whar]

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/1/26.full

This is an entire paper addressing calibrating the molecular clock. Please reach out to the authors and explain how laughable their work is.

The concept of Missing Link is one you hold but have defined in such a way as it can not be fulfilled. A afarensis, A anamensis, and A ramidus are all transitional examples between us and our ape ancestors. I am sure you accept none of them.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/1/26.full

This is an entire paper addressing calibrating the molecular clock. Please reach out to the authors and explain how laughable their work is.

The concept of Missing Link is one you hold but have defined in such a way as it can not be fulfilled. A afarensis, A anamensis, and A ramidus are all transitional examples between us and our ape ancestors. I am sure you accept none of them.

Whar we been down this road before, so let's get to the heart of the issue. Why will you not come to Jesus Christ so that you might have life?

 

[bambu]

evolution does not disprove god so i don't see what the problem is, if evolution is real then god created it.

God disproves evolution.....

Man was created.....

By a creator......

Not from a coincidental gene split that diverged from apes.....

EVOLUTION only looks coincidental to us but god would knows the result of every gene split and what genes he would want to survive.

No....

God created man, not a single cell organism that "evolved" into man.....

 

[whar]

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/1/26.full

This is an entire paper addressing calibrating the molecular clock. Please reach out to the authors and explain how laughable their work is.

The concept of Missing Link is one you hold but have defined in such a way as it can not be fulfilled. A afarensis, A anamensis, and A ramidus are all transitional examples between us and our ape ancestors. I am sure you accept none of them.

Whar we been down this road before, so let's get to the heart of the issue. Why will you not come to Jesus Christ so that you might have life?

Because I find the thought of scapegoating Jesus to bear my sins morally abhorrent. If God exists I will stand before him with my crimes still upon me. If this means I end up in hell then so be it.

 

[zombie]

evolution does not disprove god so i don't see what the problem is, if evolution is real then god created it.

How do you explain Jesus words in Matthew 19? When discussing the issues of divorce, Jesus plainly states that God created man and woman in the beginning.

"Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female." Matthew 19:4

This is God in human flesh asking you if you have read the scriptures. If you have, Jesus says that they record that in the beginning God made male and female. This account is recorded in Genesis 1 and 2.

You either have to deny what Jesus is saying, therefore calling God a liar or your going to have to accept what Jesus is saying, therefore believing that God is true. Amen.

You don't have to deny anything the bible says god made HUMANS but it does not say how, it gives no details on exactly how he did it. God being omnipotent he can guide the biological changes in his creatures according to his will simply by changing the environment god can change and shape our biology. Afterall god invented the physics that govern biology. Evolution explains biology but not human conscious, the human spirit and soul came directly from god.

The bible says adam was made from the dust of the ground dust is not alive. YET thanks to god LIFE came from it Science says the chemical reactions of minerals birth to life to the modern mind this sounds alot like abiogenesis. science also says that all physical matter came from star dust.

You forgot a major part of the creation story my friend. Let me refresh your memory.

"Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." Genesis 2:7

So actually God tells us how man became alive. After God formed man from the dust, God breahted into his nostrils the breath of life and man became alive. God is the life giver. He is the one who sustains us. His breath of life is what allows us to live.

If Genesis 2:7 still doesn't convince you (which it should, but God also says that out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses every matter is established) there are many other verses in the Bible that confirm that it is the breath of God that gives life.

"For the life of every living thing is in his hand, and the breath of every human being." Job 12:10

"All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;" Job 27:3

"The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33:4

"If it were his intention and he withdrew his spirit and breath, all humanity would perish together and mankind would return to the dust." Job 34:15



"When you hide your face, they are terrified; when you take away their breath, they die and return to the dust. When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground." Psalm 104:30



“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. ‘For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring." Acts 17:24-28

So actually the Bible confirms itself, which it always does. And it tells us that God made man and woman as distinct creatures in His image and after His likeness. When God formed man from the dust, man didn't become a living soul until God animated the dust with His life giving spirit. The moment that God takes away mans breath, man dies and returns to back to the dust. Scripture confirms this fact as well as the graveyard. Amen.

none of that conflicts with my post like i said evolution is an explanation for the biology of man but not his consciousness. consciousness can be considered a man spirit. It is your consciousness that make you human and that comes directly from god. you have to read my whole post and put it together don't just pick out what you see in it that you disagree with.

 

[zombie]

evolution does not disprove god so i don't see what the problem is, if evolution is real then god created it.

God disproves evolution.....

Man was created.....

By a creator......

Not from a coincidental gene split that diverged from apes.....

EVOLUTION only looks coincidental to us but god would knows the result of every gene split and what genes he would want to survive.

No....

God created man, not a single cell organism that "evolved" into man.....

but your body is nothing more than a configuration of different cells that work together in conjunction with each other animated by your consiousness/spirit. when god put the breath of life in man aka his spirit/CONSCIOUSNESS man became MAN..

 

[bambu]

evolution does not disprove god so i don't see what the problem is, if evolution is real then god created it.

God disproves evolution.....

Man was created.....

By a creator......

Not from a coincidental gene split that diverged from apes.....

EVOLUTION only looks coincidental to us but god would knows the result of every gene split and what genes he would want to survive.

No....

God created man, not a single cell organism that "evolved" into man.....

but your body is nothing more than a configuration of different cells that work together in conjunction with each other animated by your consiousness/spirit. when god put the breath of life in man aka his spirit/CONSCIOUSNESS man became MAN..

Exactly......

That breath of life was not coincidental............

Or a side-effect of "selection"....

 

[zombie]

evolution does not disprove god so i don't see what the problem is, if evolution is real then god created it.

God disproves evolution.....

Man was created.....

By a creator......

Not from a coincidental gene split that diverged from apes.....

EVOLUTION only looks coincidental to us but god would knows the result of every gene split and what genes he would want to survive.

No....

God created man, not a single cell organism that "evolved" into man.....

but your body is nothing more than a configuration of different cells that work together in conjunction with each other animated by your consiousness/spirit. when god put the breath of life in man aka his spirit/CONSCIOUSNESS man became MAN..

Exactly......

That breath of life was not coincidental............

Or a side-effect of "selection"....

Nothing is coincidental to god but from our limited human perspective some would SEE the resultS of evolution AS simple coincidence. God guided human physical evolution and gave us the breath of life

the selection was done by god because he controlled the environment the creatures lived in and knew how they would react to changes in it.

 

[bambu]

What do you mean by "physical evolution"?????

Either God created man.....

Or man "evolved" from lower life forms.............

 

[zombie]

What do you mean by "physical evolution"?????

Either God created man.....

Or man "evolved" from lower life forms.............

yes god created man but HOW is the issue, to create something you construct it so how did god CONSTRUCT man and what is man but the combination of the physical and spiritual. Evolution is a proposed "HOW" of the creation of physical side of man.

by physical evolution i mean the physical bodies we inhabit, i don't see how anyone can believe that god is omnipotent but then can't believe that god could use evolution to create what he wants.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/1/26.full

This is an entire paper addressing calibrating the molecular clock. Please reach out to the authors and explain how laughable their work is.

The concept of Missing Link is one you hold but have defined in such a way as it can not be fulfilled. A afarensis, A anamensis, and A ramidus are all transitional examples between us and our ape ancestors. I am sure you accept none of them.

Whar we been down this road before, so let's get to the heart of the issue. Why will you not come to Jesus Christ so that you might have life?

Because I find the thought of scapegoating Jesus to bear my sins morally abhorrent. If God exists I will stand before him with my crimes still upon me. If this means I end up in hell then so be it.

Why do you believe Jesus Christ sacrifice was morally abhorrent my friend?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

evolution does not disprove god so i don't see what the problem is, if evolution is real then god created it.

How do you explain Jesus words in Matthew 19? When discussing the issues of divorce, Jesus plainly states that God created man and woman in the beginning.

"Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female." Matthew 19:4

This is God in human flesh asking you if you have read the scriptures. If you have, Jesus says that they record that in the beginning God made male and female. This account is recorded in Genesis 1 and 2.

You either have to deny what Jesus is saying, therefore calling God a liar or your going to have to accept what Jesus is saying, therefore believing that God is true. Amen.

You don't have to deny anything the bible says god made HUMANS but it does not say how, it gives no details on exactly how he did it. God being omnipotent he can guide the biological changes in his creatures according to his will simply by changing the environment god can change and shape our biology. Afterall god invented the physics that govern biology. Evolution explains biology but not human conscious, the human spirit and soul came directly from god.

The bible says adam was made from the dust of the ground dust is not alive. YET thanks to god LIFE came from it Science says the chemical reactions of minerals birth to life to the modern mind this sounds alot like abiogenesis. science also says that all physical matter came from star dust.

You forgot a major part of the creation story my friend. Let me refresh your memory.

"Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." Genesis 2:7

So actually God tells us how man became alive. After God formed man from the dust, God breahted into his nostrils the breath of life and man became alive. God is the life giver. He is the one who sustains us. His breath of life is what allows us to live.

If Genesis 2:7 still doesn't convince you (which it should, but God also says that out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses every matter is established) there are many other verses in the Bible that confirm that it is the breath of God that gives life.

"For the life of every living thing is in his hand, and the breath of every human being." Job 12:10

"All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;" Job 27:3

"The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33:4

"If it were his intention and he withdrew his spirit and breath, all humanity would perish together and mankind would return to the dust." Job 34:15



"When you hide your face, they are terrified; when you take away their breath, they die and return to the dust. When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground." Psalm 104:30



“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. ‘For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring." Acts 17:24-28

So actually the Bible confirms itself, which it always does. And it tells us that God made man and woman as distinct creatures in His image and after His likeness. When God formed man from the dust, man didn't become a living soul until God animated the dust with His life giving spirit. The moment that God takes away mans breath, man dies and returns to back to the dust. Scripture confirms this fact as well as the graveyard. Amen.

none of that conflicts with my post like i said evolution is an explanation for the biology of man but not his consciousness. consciousness can be considered a man spirit. It is your consciousness that make you human and that comes directly from god. you have to read my whole post and put it together don't just pick out what you see in it that you disagree with.

Ok brother.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

What do you mean by "physical evolution"?????

Either God created man.....

Or man "evolved" from lower life forms.............

yes god created man but HOW is the issue, to create something you construct it so how did god CONSTRUCT man and what is man but the combination of the physical and spiritual. Evolution is a proposed "HOW" of the creation of physical side of man.

by physical evolution i mean the physical bodies we inhabit, i don't see how anyone can believe that god is omnipotent but then can't believe that god could use evolution to create what he wants.

Because it goes against what scripture teaches. I believe God, not man. Amen.

"Yea, let God be true and all men liars." Romans 3:4

 

[Sour-Cream]

Yall niggas came from chimps, I was born and evolved from a real nigga.