Official ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC THREAD

[judahxulu]

yes, and that meditation takes you to a place, that is virtually indescribable to someone else, yet you understand how meditation changes you, your thoughts, how you interact, and live with others, how you understand things. glad to see someone who gets it. peace.

it takes you to the source. cant explain that, only experience it. you dont know it, you just be.

 

[Nut Did N' Cider]

lmfao @ the collective lack of understanding here

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

lmfao @ the collective lack of understanding here

Do you have hoards of it? You should help the peeps out.

 

[TX_Made713]

all these threads end the same

 

[balanced_out]

So the only thing stopping an atheist from being a believer is proof? I'm willing to bet that there are a number of things that many self-described atheist believe that they have no proof of. Things that they cannot possibly observe. For example: I'm sure that many atheist believe that their mother and father conceived them by way of sexual intercourse. They can observe that process with others. They can even CHOOSE to believe others account of their creation.However they CANNOT POSSIBLY prove it. This is a small and admittedly simplistic example of why I believe that atheism has nothing to do with proof or lack there of. Again, I assert that many if not all atheist believe in a great number of things that they have NO proof of.

If any atheist has ever found a landscape to be beautiful, then I am not sure how that atheist remained an atheist. They would have to believe that randomness can create not only beauty but also a being that can perceive something as beautiful. What is this proof that the atheist man or woman requires? There are questions that I can ask an atheist to which there response can only be I don't know (or if it isn't IDK or I'm not sure, then it probably won't be a very scientific answer). If I was to tell them that God was in some way the answer, and they reject my explanation simply because its based on the premise that there is a God, then they are actively, not passively (as some have suggested) denying God's existence.

I believe atheism has alot of causes, hurt and disappointment are probably the most popular. Attention "Atheist": If two very well educated atheist are in are in a room and a man claiming to be God walks in to that room and begins to perform wonders and miracles that are far beyond anything that either of the atheist had ever seen or even imagined, speaking to them about things that (as far as they know) could not be known by anyone accept for them selves. Atheist A considers this a life changing experience and after weeks of debate within himself, decides that while he may not believe in following any religion that he has ever heard of, that the man the entered that room is who He says He is. Atheist B cannot explain any of what happened in that room yet still affirms that that Man was a liar. If atheist A and B were to debate their positions , who would the burden of proof be on to explain who that man was/wasn't?

What or Who does an atheist believe God is? They have to conceptualize God before they decide not to believe He exist. Don't they???

 

[shootemwon]

I've dabbled in it from time to time, but really, it's the biggest joke of a debate. At least when you debate politics you can drop real evidence and prove your point, but no one has ever been able to prove that God exists, and it's impossible to prove that anything DOES NOT exist.

Meet me in the social lounge in 30 seconds nh

 

[alissowack]

This is an on going debate in which for the most part there hasn't been observable evidence of a deity, however is the debate truly about presenting God? The issue of God comes with matters attached such as creation, morality, and life beyond mortality. It is the argument that if those things exists, then God must exist too. The problem has been however that those who argue for God's existence do so feeling that they have a divine right to say what He is or isn't saying about those matters and that is where the argument is lost. If God exists, He is not confined to a believer's (or non-believer's) understanding of who He is.

 

[shootemwon]

in regards to the debates themselves...atheist come in with a clear advantage...atheism is like real life trolling almost

Atheism isn't trolling. The advantage that atheists tend to have is the lack of reasoning skills that their debate opponents bring to the table.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/...-religion-youre-not-alone-study-finds/?hpt=C1

There's a section on there with 10 sample questions, sometimes it loads, sometimes it don't.

In fact, although the United States is one of the most religious developed countries in the world, most Americans scored 50 percent or less on a quiz measuring knowledge of the Bible, world religions and what the Constitution says about religion in public life.

The survey is full of surprising findings.

For example, it's not evangelicals or Catholics who did best - it's atheists and agnostics.

It's not Bible-belt Southerners who scored highest - they came at the bottom.

Those who believe the Bible is the literal word of God did slightly worse than average, while those who say it is not the word of God scored slightly better.

...

Smith has a theory about why atheists did so well on the quiz - they have thought more about religion than most people.

"Very few people say that they were raised as atheists and agnostics," he explains.

About three out of four were raised as Christians, he says.

"They were raised in a faith and have made a decision to identify themselves with groups that tend to be fairly unpopular," atheists and agnostics, he says.

"That decision presupposes having given some thought to these things," which is strongly linked with religious knowledge, he says.

And as is already known, it's about education.

The single strongest factor predicting how well a person does on the religious knowledge quiz is education - the more years of schooling a person has, the more they are likely to know about religion, regardless of how religious they consider themselves to be, Pew found.

"The No. 1 predictor without question is simply educational attainment," Smith said.

The think tank also asked a handful of general knowledge questions - such as who wrote "Moby-Dick" and who's the vice president of the United States - and found a link between religious knowledge and general knowledge.

Very few people scored high on religion questions and badly on general knowledge, or vice versa.

 

[And Step]

So basically the thread should be edited to say Educated people know more about religion than non educated people do. At least that is what your second set of quotes read.

BTW, Atheist have a higher suicide rate. Go figure.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

So basically the thread should be edited to say Educated people know more about religion than non educated people do. At least that is what your second set of quotes read.

BTW, Atheist have a higher suicide rate. Go figure.

Well if you read the entire article better education overall is also tied into Atheist/Agnostics/ and those who claim to be just spiritual.

And of course, religious folk are scared to pull the trigger because of Dante's inferno.

 

[And Step]

Oh, and by the way, reciting and learning trivia is not education. Just thought I throw that out there.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

So basically the thread should be edited to say Educated people know more about religion than non educated people do. At least that is what your second set of quotes read.

and atheists tend to be more educated

or the more educated are more likely to be atheists

which is just as much of an L for you superstitious lames

BTW, Atheist have a higher suicide rate. Go figure.

Muslims have a higher suicide bomber rate.

badum chisshhhh

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Oh, and by the way, reciting and learning trivia is not education. Just thought I throw that out there.

That has nothing to do with what was done.

The 10 question thing isn't what the results were based off of.

 

[And Step]

Well if you read the entire article better education overall is also tied into Atheist/Agnostics/ and those who claim to be just spiritual.

And of course, religious folk are scared to pull the trigger because of Dante's inferno.

I did read the article and I have a problem with what they perceive as education. Western philosophy to me is not really education but indoctrination. Jamming ideas, branch knowledge, and agendas into a person that is diametrically opposed to nature and the well being of a human being is not education. If the educated are that indeed then why can't they solve the social, physical, and economic problems that plague us. A Doctor will tell you he is educated but doesn't know how to heal only prescribe drugs and medication. While I know people who have been healed of physical ailments by people without "credentials" because they took time to study the human body, natural processes and nature.

Cop out on the suicide piece because according to you religious people are too stupid and not educated enough to read Dante's inferno.

 

[And Step]

and atheists tend to be more educated

or the more educated are more likely to be atheists

which is just as much of an L for you superstitious lames

Muslims have a higher suicide bomber rate.

I don't believe in superstition crackpot. I believe in cause and effect and the acquisition of knowledge to better my condition. Besides it was religious Muslims who lifted you bubonic plague, wash once a month savages out the dark ages in Europe. You were on the brink of fratricide. Muslims were the most zealous in aquiring knowledge during that time period. They advanced Algebra and sciences when you niggas were playing pick up sticks.

It was religious doctrine that lifted your people, The Jews out of squalor and ignominy, you were nothing to speak of before you accepted religious discipline.

Thanks to Mr.Weiss, for sharing that with me in my honors history class. May the Great God, YHWH, shine down on him and his progeny.

 

[And Step]

That has nothing to do with what was done.

The 10 question thing isn't what the results were based off of.

Well then why did Mr. Smith mention the quiz and allude to the fact that they didn't do well on the test. And he said the number 1 factor was education? Read it, it is right there.

But that is irrelevant. The question should be who has a better, more peaceful quality of life. Offing yourself at a higher rate than someone who is supposedly dumber than you and believes in a fairy tale and bases their life off that fairy tale is not a good look or argument for modern education or atheism.

 

[smokelahoma]

and atheists tend to be more educated

or the more educated are more likely to be atheists

which is just as much of an L for you superstitious lames

Muslims have a higher suicide bomber rate.

badum chisshhhh

LMAO Im dyin over here.....

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I did read the article and I have a problem with what they perceive as education. Western philosophy to me is not really education but indoctrination. Jamming ideas, branch knowledge, and agendas into a person that is diametrically opposed to nature and the well being of a human being is not education. If the educated are that indeed then why can't they solve the social, physical, and economic problems that plague us. A Doctor will tell you he is educated but doesn't know how to heal only prescribe drugs and medication. While I know people who have been healed of physical ailments by people without "credentials" because they took time to study the human body, natural processes and nature.

Cop out on the suicide piece because according to you religious people are too stupid and not educated enough to read Dante's inferno.

lol @ the bolded. Why do you get upset so fuckin easy? To the point you try to fill in shit that aint there, you been reading too many 2012 threads cause I don't remember you doin that before.

And okay I can see where you're coming from on the education piece, I don't agree, but I understand you have a beef with anything western so whatever. We'll drop that.

But the original point stands, when it comes to religious questions atheist know more about it than most of the people who faithfully claim it.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Well then why did Mr. Smith mention the quiz and allude to the fact that they didn't do well on the test. And he said the number 1 factor was education? Read it, it is right there.

But that is irrelevant. The question should be who has a better, more peaceful quality of life. Offing yourself at a higher rate than someone who is supposedly dumber than you and believes in a fairy tale and bases their life off that fairy tale is not a good look or argument for modern education or atheism.

I believe overall atheist have the more peaceful life.

You are a religious person, so it's obvious you won't be able to see it from my perspective.

And the 10 question quiz on the flash banner isnt the test people were given.