Morality

[BiblicalAtheist]

Thou shalt not steal.

Exodus 20:15

Right, but why is it wrong.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

What I mean by what I say is this. I can obey everything that the Bible says and know the morals to be true, but I can't say that because I am morally upright, that the circumstances of life will be in my favor. I can practice good morals and be like Job for the rest of my life. I can be broke, unemployed, suffering from some terminal disease, etc. and still not earn the "earthly" benefits of practicing good morals. And there are those who are "bad" that are successful and wealthy; spent their entire lives "breaking the rules". So in that sense we are not in a position to say what morals are suppose to do. But I agree that there is a consequence for disobeying in respect to God.

Ok. I understand what your saying now.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I didn't think of this question until after I logged off:

Why is stealing wrong, what is your reasoning?

My reasoning is that I felt guilty when I did it. Why would I feel guilty if it was ok to take something that wasn't mine?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Because energy manifested itself into a living body. The difference being is our living body is controlled through the mind. Though we are made of energy our minds have the final say in those types of decisions. Our minds are what feed and control our conscious, that is what determines one morals.

Where did this energy come from? Where did the living body come from? Where did the mind come from? Where did our conscience come from?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

My reasoning is that I felt guilty when I did it. Why would I feel guilty if it was ok to take something that wasn't mine?

Okay sounds alright, but what about people who experience no such guilt? Does it mean its okay for them to steal since they don't suffer the same plight? How would explain to them why stealing is wrong?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Sure. Most of our morality is based on a rather simple premise .... don't be a prick to the person near you. Since humans are a social animal and most of our adaptive success comes from collaboration with others having a system that helps group act together is a massive advantage.

Empathy, guilt, laughter, and stress all of these are simple to explain with evolution and contribute, along with other traits, to explain morals. Empathy makes one aware of an other's pain. Guilt makes one want to avoid inflicting harm. Laughter and joy tend to be found from being with others and actively make us seek out others to be with. Stress which most often arises from conflict is something most try to avoid.

You just cosigned the word of God whar67 when you said "don't be a prick to the person near you", which proves the point of everybody having a God-shaped vacuum in their being. The law of God is written in our hearts, thus the reason why we have a conscience, why we have empathy, why we laugh, etc.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Where did this energy come from? Where did the living body come from? Where did the mind come from? Where did our conscience come from?

Energy has always been here. It is like what you call god, no beginning or end.

 

[VIBE]

Right, but why is it wrong.

Because it is a sin. It is wrong in God's eyes, it is one of the commandments. When you steal, does it feel good? For most normal people, no it doesn't. I've stolen plenty when I was younger. It was stupid, I felt very bad when I did it. Not only did I just steal, that's a loss of money for the person/store. It's not only wrong in the bible but in our society as well, you go to jail for theft.

 

[judahxulu]

Right, but why is it wrong.

Cause it aint yo shit and you wouldnt like nobody to take your shit.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Because it is a sin. It is wrong in God's eyes, it is one of the commandments. When you steal, does it feel good? For most normal people, no it doesn't. I've stolen plenty when I was younger. It was stupid, I felt very bad when I did it. Not only did I just steal, that's a loss of money for the person/store. It's not only wrong in the bible but in our society as well, you go to jail for theft.

Okay, say you're starving and none to extend their hand to you. Do you steal food or just starve to death? Would you feel guilt then or would your animals instincts to eat override the guilt? Hard to answer I know because you are not in that perilous situation right now, but its something to think about anyway.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Cause it aint yo shit and you wouldnt like nobody to take your shit.

I don't give a shit if someone stone my shit, it's just shit anyway.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Okay sounds alright, but what about people who experience no such guilt? Does it mean its okay for them to steal since they don't suffer the same plight? How would explain to them why stealing is wrong?

Well that's the contrast between the children of light and the children of darkness. Everybody experiences guilt no matter what. But there comes a point in time when God will give a person over to the desires of their heart. If a person desires to live continually in sin, God will give them over to that desire and thus their conscience is then seared with a hot iron. Feelings of guilt are suppressed because of their pleasures of engaging in unrighteousness. Romans 1 is a good place to start reading if you want more information.

 

[judahxulu]

Okay, say you're starving and none to extend their hand to you. Do you steal food or just starve to death? Would you feel guilt then or would your animals instincts to eat override the guilt? Hard to answer I know because you are not in that perilous situation right now, but its something to think about anyway.

Proverbs 6:30-31 [Men] do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;

But [if] he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Energy has always been here. It is like what you call god, no beginning or end.

God has a name though and it's not energy.

God is life, God is love, God is light, God is holy, God is righteous, God is just, God is pure, God is good, etc; are just some of the attributes of His person and character.

No where in His word does God describe Himself as being "energy".

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Romans 1 is a good place to start reading if you want more information.

Yeah but sometimes its nice to talk to actual human beings, not just ink on a page.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Proverbs 6:30-31 [Men] do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;

But [if] he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house.

So are you saying it is my soul that gets hungry for food?

 

[judahxulu]

I don't give a shit if someone stone my shit, it's just shit anyway.

"Shit" in this instance is a broad pronoun that is not restricted to material items. You might not feel a certain kind of way about it emotionally but I dont think youre an ascetic to the point that necessity items being stolen from you wouldnt pose some kind of difficulty/

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

God has a name though and it's not energy.

God is life, God is love, God is light, God is holy, God is righteous, God is just, God is pure, God is good, etc; are just some of the attributes of His person and character.

No where in His word does God describe Himself as being "energy".

Energy is life, without it, you wouldn't be here. Energy is light, and darkness. Energy is holy, it doesn't sin. energy is pure, untainted. Energy is good, it it everything!

Just sayin'.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Yeah but sometimes its nice to talk to actual human beings, not just ink on a page.

actually you can do a whole lot better than communicate with human beings when you let the word of God speak to you. You don't read the Bible, the Bible reads you and speaks to you through the Holy Spirit! The Creator of this universe speaks loudly my friend. All you have to do is listen.

 

[judahxulu]

So are you saying it is my soul that gets hungry for food?

Yeah.According to the hebrew language as it relates to biblical usage, one aspect of your soul is the energy behind all of your involuntary biological processes

soul =
nephesh

1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion

a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man

b) living being

c) living being (with life in the blood)

d) the man himself, self, person or individual

e) seat of the appetites

f) seat of emotions and passions

g) activity of mind

1) dubious

h) activity of the will

1) dubious

i) activity of the character

1) dubious

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5315