Morality

[judahxulu]

Intention outweighs action, imo.

It depends on your level of knowledge too. You do something bad with a good intent in ignorance and it would be better than doing something good with a bad intent because you have the knowledge that the action will get you over. It depends. Some actions like necrophilia or child molestation cant be divorced from intent. i also think one should be circumspect not to not confuse them selves when considering good intents with less than good actions that it does not mutate into rationalized bad habits.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Intention outweighs action, imo. From the perception of the observer on over to the observed.

Why or how?

 

[VIBE]

Read this story

A mouse looked through the crack in the wall to see the farmer and his wife open a package. “What food might this contain?” the mouse wondered. He was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.

Retreating to the farmyard, the mouse proclaimed the warning: “There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!”

The chicken clucked and scratched, raised her head and said “Mr. Mouse, I can tell this is a grave concern to you, but it is of no consequence to me. I cannot be bothered by it.”

The mouse turned to the pig and told him “There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!” The pig sympathized, but said “I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse, but there is nothing I can do about it but pray. Be assured you are in my prayers.”

The mouse turned to the cow and said “There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!” The cow said “Wow, Mr. Mouse. I’m sorry for you, but it’s no skin off my nose.”

So, the mouse returned to the house, head down and dejected, to face the farmer’s mousetrap alone.

That very night a sound was heard throughout the house – like the sound of a mousetrap catching its prey. The farmer’s wife rushed to see what was caught. In the darkness, she did not see it was a venomous snake whose tail the trap had caught. The snake bit the farmer’s wife. The farmer rushed her to the hospital and she returned home with a fever.

Everyone knows you treat a fever with fresh chicken soup, so the farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard for the soup’s main ingredient. But his wife’s sickness continued, so friends and neighbors came to sit with her around the clock. To feed them, the farmer butchered the pig. The farmer’s wife did not get well; she died. So many! people came for her funeral, the farmer had the cow slaughtered to provide enough meat for all of them.

The mouse looked upon it all from his crack in the wall with great sadness. So, the next time you hear someone is facing a problem and think it doesn’t concern you, remember: when one of us is threatened, we are all at risk. We are all involved in this journey called life. We must keep an eye out for one another and make an extra effort to encourage one another. Each of us is a vital thread in another person’s tapestry.



Now, to explain what you are doing. If you take the mouse in this story, you replace him with a human or something man like, and you replace things that seem silly and replace them with things we do and know, and you have the bible. It's main purpose is to teach morals, to teach a way of living, to teach self respect and discipline. What has happened, is people who wrote it didn't anticipate people taking it so literal. So what happens is because they made it a story of men and things we know people have over time mistaken it for being a true story rather than a fairy tale with an underlying meaning.

I see what you're saying and this is in the bible, morals such as this. But the bible isn't ALL moral and all false.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I see what you're saying and this is in the bible, morals such as this. But the bible isn't ALL moral and all false.

Correct, it isn't all false and it's far from all moral. But the main purpose is to teach morals. The truth in it is nothing more than places, locations, and events that help those at the time understand better what the morals being taught are. The Jesus story, the Moses story, etc... are fables.

Just as the Natives spoke on real events mixed with false happenings to create an underlying meaning. The real event helps the listener to better understand what took place, the false parts lay out the moral more clearly.

 

[Hyde Parke]

It depends on your level of knowledge too. You do something bad with a good intent in ignorance and it would be better than doing something good with a bad intent because you have the knowledge that the action will get you over. It depends. Some actions like necrophilia or child molestation cant be divorced from intent. i also think one should be circumspect not to not confuse them selves when considering good intents with less than good actions that it does not mutate into rationalized bad habits.

yes, i understand, essentially this is what i meant sort of, in the short hand version, What is the intention or motive of the individual? Excluding right/wrong. good or bad, those terms are so overused and misunderstood. Excluding levels of knowledge and ignorance, because from the seer

perspective, the one who sees these actions we make judgements on what level of knowlege we have, we make judgments from our own ignorance too. So our information is limited too. See its not so much as what this person did that is good or bad, it is our perception of it, based on how much or how little we know concerning the circumstance.

and yes, child molestation and necrophilia are acts are beyond my comprehension. But who am i to make that call when there are severely mentally disabled people with mental illnesses in this world. Can I make that call and pass jugement on their actions?

 

[Hyde Parke]

Why or how?

what matters most is how you feel about what it is you are feeling, and why you feel that way. what are your true intentions behind the thought that deems something good or bad. I feel that we are all one consciousness. Things we see going on around us are a reflection of ourselves. as much as we would like to think we are seperate of each other, imo, we are not. we are on a universal movement. and until we all understand that, we will continue to live in chaos. that is all my opinion of course.

consider this, as we type away on our technological vices, people in the congo republic and other nearby countries are dying because of it. are we good or bad for indirectly, nontheless still contributing to their murders?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

what matters most is how you feel about what it is you are feeling, and why you feel that way. what are your true intentions behind the thought that deems something good or bad. I feel that we are all one consciousness. Things we see going on around us are a reflection of ourselves. as much as we would like to think we are seperate of each other, imo, we are not. we are on a universal movement. and until we all understand that, we will continue to live in chaos. that is all my opinion of course.

I hold much the same opinion.

 

[judahxulu]

yes, i understand, essentially this is what i meant sort of, in the short hand version, What is the intention or motive of the individual? Excluding right/wrong. good or bad, those terms are so overused and misunderstood. Excluding levels of knowledge and ignorance, because from the seer
perspective, the one who sees these actions we make judgements on what level of knowlege we have, we make judgments from our own ignorance too. So our information is limited too. See its not so much as what this person did that is good or bad, it is our perception of it, based on how much or how little we know concerning the circumstance.

and yes, i child molestation and necrophilia are acts are beyond my comprehension. But who am i to make that call when there are severely mentally disabled people with mental illnesses in this world. Can I make that call and pass jugement on their actions?

Depends on what you calling judgment. From what i overstand, judgment does not necessarily mean condemnation or exoneration. My judgment on said acts are that they are not physically, spiritually or socially healthy but the desire to do so is a sickness that is usually not born by an individuals own volition. Therefor, I cannot condemn the individual but i can condemn the practice for practical reasons beyond the moral implications. If one has these sicknesses and does not treat them or prevent themselves from acting them out then thats just plain inconsiderate on the worst level. Its kind of like if your wife gave you AIDS; you didnt do anything with a bad intent to bring that illness upon yourself so you are not a bad person for having it. But IMO you would be bogus if you went out having raw dog sex because you knew the ramifications of that dis-ease and you CHOSE to act irresponsibly.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Depends on what you calling judgment. From what i overstand, judgment does not necessarily mean condemnation or exoneration. My judgment on said acts are that they are not physically, spiritually or socially healthy but the desire to do so is a sickness that is usually not born by an individuals own volition. Therefor, I cannot condemn the individual but i can condemn the practice for practical reasons beyond the moral implications. If one has these sicknesses and does not treat them or prevent themselves from acting them out then thats just plain inconsiderate on the worst level. Its kind of like if your wife gave you AIDS; you didnt do anything with a bad intent to bring that illness upon yourself so you are not a bad person for having it. But IMO you would be bogus if you went out having raw dog sex because you knew the ramifications of that dis-ease and you CHOSE to act irresponsibly.

this is why i do not like words, i think they get in the way,lol.

But by judgement, i mean already arriving at a conclusive decision of thought on the matter without knowing. If i do not have all of the facts, anything less than having all is ignorance and ignorant of me. You dont have to condemn the actions, you just dont do them, for whatever reasons concerning yourself. im with you on this on from a personal perspective , the problem is when we carry our reasoning, logic over to others based on limited understanding. we cant really and totally say we know why people do the things they do,anything short if knowing is just an opinion based on limited info. I cant make the call of what is good or what is bad, i think that is very dangerous, because what could be considered good or bad can go both ways, and the amount of things considered either way is limitless.

on choices, we make choices everyday that affect others lives. our computer, cell phone use, our polluting the earth, building homes, businesses, etc we leave footprints everywhere, and for every action, there is a reaction somewhere beit small or large.

 

[judahxulu]

this is why i do not like words, i think they get in the way,lol.
But by judgement, i mean already arriving at a conclusive decision of thought on the matter without knowing.
If i do not have all of the facts, anything less than having all is ignorance and ignorant of me. You dont have to condemn the actions, you just dont do them, for whatever reasons concerning yourself. im with you on this on from a personal perspective , the problem is when we carry our reasoning, logic over to others based on limited understanding. we cant really and totally say we know why people do the things they do,anything short if knowing is just an opinion based on limited info. I cant make the call of what is good or what is bad, i think that is very dangerous, because what could be considered good or bad can go both ways, and the amount of things considered either way is limitless.

on choices, you know as well as i, you have lived in a different country,some hold the view of americans being thouthless, selfish, and greedy, does that make it true? and if you answer that, you can only answer from your personal perspective
which will always be limited.

Understanding that bolded part is important. people wildly misinterpret that word on either sides of the spectrum.

As for the questions, i cant speak on all Americans. I dont know 'em. But I think I can safely say that American culture is a safe haven and incubator for such ill attributes. its a social sickness that came from the country's illicit beginnings. i now some americans that arent like that so my answer no is more than personal perspective. its certifiable fact that all americans aint like that.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Understanding that bolded part is important. people wildly misinterpret that word on either sides of the spectrum.

As for the questions, i cant speak on all Americans. I dont know 'em. But I think I can safely say that American culture is a safe haven and incubator for such ill attributes. its a social sickness that came from the country's illicit beginnings. i now some americans that arent like that so my answer no is more than personal perspective. its certifiable fact that all americans aint like that.

yes, you are right, alot of words are misinterpreted, i dont like words, but they are necessary.

i edited my last paragraph, on second thought, i didnt think it really added to the topic, on everything else u say, i agree, people do things everyday, that are not reflective of my lifestyle. i am learning, and it is not easy, to refrain from labeling their way of living, and actions.