Misogynoir: Black women are placed at the bottom because of anti-Blackness (long read)

[Bussy_Getta]

I've definitely been asked "can I touch your hair" and "do your hair!" By an employer when I wore it natural

 

[Purr]

Oh good Lord protect us from feminism of all colors.

Uh this wasn't a feminist read. This was a black power read, aren't you all for that?

To be honest with you didn't read that whole shit.

It's obvious.

You couldnt even formulate an argument because then you'll be seen as a poser because of your misogynoir.

You are the prime example of misogynoir, where you believe that blackness is constructed solely for the use of black men only.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Feminists, what are your demands?

Black men are down there with yall black women but thats action by white supporters.

 

[Brother_Five]

I've definitely been asked "can I touch your hair" and "do your hair!" By an employer when I wore it natural

u half asian tho...

 

[leftcoastkev]

Yeah that's a long ass read. But the pivot point of the article is this:

To mask these relationships, supporters of slavery created controlling images whose effects persist even today.

To me it boils down to media push. Black people currently don't have:

1. A strong enough media engine fully controlled by us

2. Collectively, a strong enough will (based on so used to feeling beat down)

3. Enough resources (we are willing to pool together)

Point #1 - if you keep shoving the stereotypes down the throats of the masses, eventually that will be the "truth" and people will willfully play into the hand.

Point #2 - By playing into the hand, typically it serves to make the person dealing the cards richer (more wealth, more power). Women objectifying themselves, etc.

Point #3 - if those you keep empowering by serving their interest for u to get a few crumbs don't like you, then it's fuck you. If you don't want to pool those crumbs together, then again it's fuck you. You can keep getting crumbs they brush off the table as they eat meals....and cook their kids meals. U can think about if them crumbs can sustain a family.

If you want people to do something....just keep repeating to them that that is what they already are/do. If there are 5 ppl I bet at least 1 will go for it. That 1 can go on to influence 2 others. Once the majority accepts it, that's "the way it is".

I.e., repetition of "believe black people are violent, black women are crazy, dark skin people are ugly, black people are dangerous, black people are poor"

The media engine is anti black unless it's in one of the preset narratives (bird broad, single mother, lonely woman, athlete, fag, rapper, gigalo).....it ain't called media programming for nothing.

 

[D. Morgan]

I didn't read most of this, but I will say that I am shocked at the lack of support and understanding black women receive on many issues.

I agree with this shit but they need to do away with weaves, makeups and religion for me to take them serious (deep rooted self depreciation attached to the first 2 imo)

Weave and make up aren't a form of self depreciation. If anything it's self expression and also it's shit most of yall men like.

For some women weave and make up are forms of self depreciation also I wouldn't even say "most" men like that shit.

When you have some women who feel like the world will end if they have to go outside without their weave/wig or make up on something is seriously wrong.

Some being the key word. That doesn't make it the rule.

The standard of beauty has always been swayed by the male view point so I would definitely say most men like that shit. Make up, weave, nails etc... All that shit wouldn't be expensive if no one was checking for it. Look at the women these men lust after.

The bold is true but look at how many conversations are had about what men like that goes against what is popular with women then some of these women pop into these conversations telling men that we lying and tell men what they like.

Women actually place more value in their own opinion of what they think men like over what men actually tell women what they like.

Do some me like that shit of course but to say most men I don't think that shit is true.

Do you disagree with the underlined?

 

[Rasta.]

this thread aint about weaves or even attacking black women.. the fuck?

Go play in the Umar Johnson thread Five

 

[Purr]

Feminists, what are your demands?

Black men are down there with yall black women but thats action by white supporters.

@meester Black women are not feminist because that word have been trampled and taken to only be coveted by white women issues.

I would say that I am a womanist.

Black men are down there with yall black women?

Point me to this proof? I have provided proof of misogynoir from black men on this site.

If you look at the thread of Black lives matter pertaining solely to black men versus black women who are victims of police brutality, then you will see how the thread for black women lives do not matter as much as a black men lives.

 

[Ubuntu1]

Oh good Lord protect us from feminism of all colors.

I wouldn't even know where to begin with this bullshit.

Feminism is riddled with logical and moral inconsistencies and it's claims about how society works, or even has in the past, is completely contrary to actual empirical evidence.

 

[D. Morgan]

Feminists, what are your demands?

Black men are down there with yall black women but thats action by white supporters.

@meester Black women are not feminist because that word have been trampled and taken to only be coveted by white women issues.

I would say that I am a womanist.

Black men are down there with yall black women?

Point me to this proof? I have provided proof of misogynoir from black men on this site.

If you look at the thread of Black lives matter pertaining solely to black men versus black women who are victims of police brutality, then you will see how the thread for black women lives do not matter as much as a black men lives.

Not this bullshit again.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Feminists, what are your demands?

Black men are down there with yall black women but thats action by white supporters.

@meester Black women are not feminist because that word have been trampled and taken to only be coveted by white women issues.

I would say that I am a womanist.

Black men are down there with yall black women?

Point me to this proof? I have provided proof of misogynoir from black men on this site.

If you look at the thread of Black lives matter pertaining solely to black men versus black women who are victims of police brutality, then you will see how the thread for black women lives do not matter as much as a black men lives.

I am not saying black women issues are not as important than black men problems, I mean racist whites dont give a shit about either of us more.

 

[PapaDoc223]

When I was in undergrad at Spelman College, taking a sociology course, we had some black male students from Morehouse in the course. Can't remember what the topic was, but it was about rape, in a way. It caused me to be instantly amazed how many black men lack, or didn't understand a womans right to exist, and to control her mind and body.

I later learned that many black men view black women the same way white men viewed black women on slave plantations. The problem is black men are coddled in the black community, we place value more so on the life of black men than black women, due to the projection from the outside world. Many black women value the lives of the black men in their life, than their own or the women in their lives.

The more darker you are the less human you are too many. Your worth as a woman is largely judge and valued based on your approximate to non-blackness. This why a lot of these fuck boys are obsessed with non-black women. They lack the power to exalt a black woman, unless she mixed with the genes from another race. Because we view darkskin as masculine, and light skin as feminine.

Many love to deny it but its the truth. You get attacked for stating this stuff, even black men who state this stuff are often attacked but its the truth. We are the only race on the planet thats against our "root" mother. If you are of the black race, no matter what your mother looked like, or grandmother, the first woman you came from was a dark skin charcoal black woman. Yet, we place no value on woman who are such. We think our mother was Lena Horne.

This whole post reeks of generalizations and a low key disdain for the black man. Not all black men dislike or like a darker skinned sister. Same as not all black men like or dislike a lighter skinned sister. People like who they like and that's how it goes.

Now to the topic at hand, misogyny is sold to us as youth to an extent. The man is seen as the hero and the female is seen as the damsel in distress. That scenario is taught to all of us at a young age and perpetrated in all facets of our day to day to life coming up.

The biggest perpetrator of misogyny is women. A woman will tear her sister down quicker than a male in most cases. Especially in the black culture the whole light skin chick vs the dark skin chick still going on till this day. Women want equality from me but won't get equality amongst themselves first.

She rants and raves at any chance against black men. She beleives EVERY black man is a Taye Diggs Sambo coon who dates white women and despise black women. She thinks every black man is low down and dusty and should be exterminated. It looks like she had a bad expereince with black men and is using it to over generalize all of us as coons who hate they own black mother.

 

[Bussy_Getta]

I didn't read most of this, but I will say that I am shocked at the lack of support and understanding black women receive on many issues.

I agree with this shit but they need to do away with weaves, makeups and religion for me to take them serious (deep rooted self depreciation attached to the first 2 imo)

Weave and make up aren't a form of self depreciation. If anything it's self expression and also it's shit most of yall men like.

For some women weave and make up are forms of self depreciation also I wouldn't even say "most" men like that shit.

When you have some women who feel like the world will end if they have to go outside without their weave/wig or make up on something is seriously wrong.

Some being the key word. That doesn't make it the rule.

The standard of beauty has always been swayed by the male view point so I would definitely say most men like that shit. Make up, weave, nails etc... All that shit wouldn't be expensive if no one was checking for it. Look at the women these men lust after.

The bold is true but look at how many conversations are had about what men like that goes against what is popular with women then some of these women pop into these conversations telling men that we lying and tell men what they like.

Women actually place more value in their own opinion of what they think men like over what men actually tell women what they like.

Do some me like that shit of course but to say most men I don't think that shit is true.

Do you disagree with the underlined?

I don't disagree with the underlined based on what women see men lust over vs what they claim to like.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

@charles were you there to see this conversation?

I implore you to find one post by me dissing black women in general. Gwan

 

[Ubuntu1]

When I was in undergrad at Spelman College, taking a sociology course, we had some black male students from Morehouse in the course. Can't remember what the topic was, but it was about rape, in a way. It caused me to be instantly amazed how many black men lack, or didn't understand a womans right to exist, and to control her mind and body.

I later learned that many black men view black women the same way white men viewed black women on slave plantations. The problem is black men are coddled in the black community, we place value more so on the life of black men than black women, due to the projection from the outside world. Many black women value the lives of the black men in their life, than their own or the women in their lives.

The more darker you are the less human you are too many. Your worth as a woman is largely judge and valued based on your approximate to non-blackness. This why a lot of these fuck boys are obsessed with non-black women. They lack the power to exalt a black woman, unless she mixed with the genes from another race. Because we view darkskin as masculine, and light skin as feminine.

Many love to deny it but its the truth. You get attacked for stating this stuff, even black men who state this stuff are often attacked but its the truth. We are the only race on the planet thats against our "root" mother. If you are of the black race, no matter what your mother looked like, or grandmother, the first woman you came from was a dark skin charcoal black woman. Yet, we place no value on woman who are such. We think our mother was Lena Horne.

This whole post reeks of generalizations and a low key disdain for the black man. Not all black men dislike or like a darker skinned sister. Same as not all black men like or dislike a lighter skinned sister. People like who they like and that's how it goes.

Now to the topic at hand,

misogyny is sold to us as youth to an extent

. The man is seen as the hero and the female is seen as the damsel in distress. That scenario is taught to all of us at a young age and perpetrated in all facets of our day to day to life coming up.

The biggest perpetrator of misogyny is women. A woman will tear her sister down quicker than a male in most cases. Especially in the black culture the whole light skin chick vs the dark skin chick still going on till this day. Women want equality from me but won't get equality amongst themselves first.

Society isn't set up to discriminate against women for the benefit of men. Both men and women promote cultural gender norms that harm men and women in different ways.

I'd have liked to expand on this if I weren't running out of time.

 

[Rasta.]

I didn't read most of this, but I will say that I am shocked at the lack of support and understanding black women receive on many issues.

I agree with this shit but they need to do away with weaves, makeups and religion for me to take them serious (deep rooted self depreciation attached to the first 2 imo)

Please refer to this and stop participating in the patriarchal, hierarchical male gaze:

BW women have the right to choose what we want to do with our hair, whether it may be natural or weave; it is our right to choose any hairstyle that pleases us. BM patriarchal, hierarchical male gaze does not determine or command any BW to keep their hair "natural" because it is lame to a male's point of view.

As a BW, I have had dealt with being fired from my job for wearing my hair natural or being pressured by a BM to wear a weave because natural hair is "ugly". As other BW deal with oppression throughout the years associated with our hair and how we wear it; it is OUR choice to chose how we decide to manipulate OUR hair to our own pleasing, not for a man. By BM determining that a BW must wear her hair natural, then he is holding his masculinity as a source of power, therefore implementing sexism against BW because he does not agree with her hair choice.

Also, for the "pro-black" men just because BW wear weaves does not mean that they are engaging in the ideal of Eurocentric beauty. That idea is a myth that most of you use to pit BW against one another to show that BW who wear their hair "naturally" are somewhat better and "pro-black" than BW who do not wear their hair in natural styles. This is a form of sexism, stop that shit.

And of course this does not eschew the history of the politics associated with hair for Black people, though Black women deal with the brunt of the oppression associated with this because of sexism and misogynoir and how Eurocentric beauty myths–which impacts beauty politics in general–impact women (or people who present somewhat "feminine”) more than men. (Trudy)

@Charlie_ do you share this belief? Also applies to @Peeny_Wally

 

[Brother_Five]

black women are so much more than their hairstyles... or nah?

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Black feminist just want an excuse to marry white men. It always boils down to that

 

[phukkyou2]

What bw don't realize hoping on this feminist b.s. bandwagon (and yes I'm quoting Zom) is a detriment to their own cause and will NEVER hold up in the long run becuz the Reality of Everyday Life and History doesn't coincide with their claim. And I'm not just speaking for me but also for the Everyday Guy Next Door.

I feel I can do that considering my Travels and Experiences in life. Most of which frankly isn't what the average person experiences. Humbly

To borrow from Janklow. Using an anecdotal incident as if it were everyday everywhere (which I was laughing at, especially considering what I just seen an hour ago) isn't going to make your Agenda come to fruition. It's built off of lies and contortions of the actual reality.

Sure, there's Slimebags out there from the Male species (my track record has blemishes for sure). But compared to the majority they're few and far in between, Respectfully. Most dudes just simply DO NOT have the right approach at the right time or Approached Female is simply too traumatised - whether that be from Experience or Hearsay - please, keep it real, not every dude is tryna Holla at you becuz you got a phat ass & are attractive. It doesn't work that way 100% of the time.

But that's not to negate that "the heart wants what it wants" by no means. I will say tho, as far as us Brothers and Fathers go.... We do a shitty job of opening up their minds to thinking outside of the box. And not just their choices in Men but everything else too

 

[Rasta.]

black women are so much more than their hairstyles... or nah?

Nigga if you don't shut it! I'm trying to engage my sisters on some misconceptions or idiosyncrasies i may have so stop with your one-liners >