MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

[LordZuko]

I guess it only follows suit that if the ruler subjugate their people, their people will do the same to each other. But it doesn't detract from the fact that women were held back because of certain perceptions held by men who control practically everything. The most important position being the top. Which I would bet money still hold many of those beliefs.

You are running on empty responding with speculation not analysis

Shoulda coulda woulda are not appropriate responses which is all you and the other girl have done

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I guess it only follows suit that if the ruler subjugate their people, their people will do the same to each other. But it doesn't detract from the fact that women were held back because of certain perceptions held by men who control practically everything. The most important position being the top. Which I would bet money still hold many of those beliefs.

You are running on empty responding with speculation not analysis

Shoulda coulda woulda are not appropriate responses which is all you and the other girl have done

I don't get what you're trying to say, mostly because I think your stance is retarded. You say women never did this or that, without realizing women couldn't do anything until they had permission. I mean if we had started from a position of being able to what we wanted when we wanted, like men, who knows. You are the one riding on, shoulda, woulda, coulda wagon. But alas, we're just women.....

 

[LordZuko]

I guess it only follows suit that if the ruler subjugate their people, their people will do the same to each other. But it doesn't detract from the fact that women were held back because of certain perceptions held by men who control practically everything. The most important position being the top. Which I would bet money still hold many of those beliefs.

You are running on empty responding with speculation not analysis

Shoulda coulda woulda are not appropriate responses which is all you and the other girl have done

I don't get what you're trying to say, mostly because I think your stance is retarded. You say women never did this or that, without realizing women couldn't do anything until they had permission. I mean if we had started from a position of being able to what we wanted when we wanted, like men, who knows. You are the one riding on, shoulda, woulda, coulda wagon. But alas, we're just women.....

False premise.

The notion that men do what they want when they want is a 20th century invention. A product of mass production of a maturing industrial age.

For most of human history men did what their fathers did. If your father was a farmer that's what you became, if he was a soldier that's what you became, in the rare instance your father was royalty or some high society figure, that is what you became. Men performed the roles according to their lineage and the society's needs.

Women learned how to be wives because being married and all the duties that entailed was how you earned your keep.

Some societies women did just do house work. In others they did craft and took their product to market. Different ages and places created different needs. But to juxtapose this to the strawman that men were just allowed to do whatever and whenever is nonsense and based on no real understanding of human history.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Maybe that's what this is about. Humans in general being fed up with the status quo and how things "ought be done". And to say women can't do this or that is short sighted for the fact women have always been under the thumb of men.

you have always been under the thumb of men because women historically were unable to protect yourselves against the dangers of this world which includes other men from different tribes of people therefore men had to take charge and with that comes male authority

The way things " ought be done" did not develop in a vacuum there are reasons why men have for the most part always been better suited to be leaders

Yes protecting someone from danger automatically makes them incompetent in other facets of life. They shouldn't be allowed to vote, or go to school or have jobs cuz they need protection...... *rolls eyes* Men created the problem, men made the rules and now that women are saying fuck that 'women CAN go their own way" men are pissed.

In regards to the bolded, it's actually the other way around.

Based on what little bit I can tell about MGTOW, it's basically men saying they're not gonna play the game anymore.

Not necessarily saying that they're gonna leave women alone altogether.........just that they'll only deal with them on their own terms.

Meaning, they're not gonna settle for being some chick's contingency plan or fall victim to a chick "settling" for them.

Granted, it's something that should have been figured out without having to embrace MGTOW philosophy............but some of these cats would be lost without it.

I see it as a result of women having more rights and demands, more freedom, more options and women aren't settling like they used to, put up with shit like they used to, or in general being subservient to men.

cosign

and this argument laws have made marriage too big a risk for men and that is what is driving the marriage rate down does not really jive well with the facts

while there's probably some truth to the idea that certain men avoid marriage because of the financial risks

men with higher incomes, high earning potential and assets to lose in a divorce are getting married at a higher rate then lower income men

low income women with no college education are less likely to marry as well

Yea those men are cannon fodder in ten years when the wife becomes eligible for alimony. These rich men all have the common hubris that their money will shield them away from female shenanigans when it's precisely their money that's painted a bullseye on them.

today more times than not men with money and a high earning potential today are marrying a woman with money and a high earning potential as well

men marry down more than women still

and they know the risk. but marriage still is one of the best ways to build and maintain generational wealth

for the rest of society there is really no practical sense to do so nowadays...especially if you can't find someone with whom you believe you can build a family and estate with

the law isn't perfect. and i'd support putting a cap on alimony .... otherwise you don't want to get married don't. this idea you and mgtow choosing not to get married or partake in dating is a lost to any woman is delusional

A man marrying a woman of means by no means prevents her from seeking his wealth during a divorce. There are innumerable high profile divorces to illustrate this.

The idea of generational wealth is archaic. The earth is overpopulated and it would do well for the vast majority to not reproduce.

Alimony should be banned. The idea of subsidizing the existence of an individual after you've parted ways is bullshit.

The idea that women aren't affected by mgtow is asinine. I've already linked reports of women complaining about men deserts across the globe. The men haven't disappeared they just are choosing other forms of fulfillment.

Your ignorance is appalling. Your very existence is reliant upon men who perform labor intensive hazardous jobs daily. You wouldn't even be able to feed your fat face or wipe your shitty ass if it weren't for men. You probably would not last more than a couple days outside civilization because your survival skills are less than paltry.

alimony is still a necessity for the stay at home husband and wives who sacrifice the opportunity to develop his or her skills or put their career on hold to raise a family or/and do house work. otherwise you'd have women and men suddenly out on the streets unable to support themselves running to sign up for welfare...

especially in the case of a relationship where a spouse's work significantly helped their partner get into a strongly positive financial situation, such as a wife who helped her husband set up and run a profitable business that he'll own after the divorce, or even having paid for higher education for their spouse which results in a large increase of pay, such as medical school... pay that man or woman

lol

And I thought we were all supposed to be equal.

When i say that we werent

Men should get ailmony too if they have a case

 

[LordZuko]

Once we get a divorce, you are no longer my responsibility. You better learn to live within your means like if you just got fired. That's a big reason why men go mgtow.

The reason these well off women have to marry down is not because their are significantly less men in their income bracket, it's because the men in their income bracket have far more options than she.

Money doesn't do for women what it does for men which is why these women end up buying dick, or marrying down.

Women can't find the men to build these estates or families with that's why they are settling and freezing their eggs. Because as much as women like to pretend that being in a man's world is what they want they aren't satisfied unless they can surround themselves with a network that emotionally validates them aka husband and kids.

Women crave emotional validation. That's y'alls raison d'être

men worried about alimony don't get married ....subscribing to this mgtow ideology is something different...maybe its a growing movement but where is the hard evidence

and key phrase is 'earning ability'

the last few decades way more women have graduated college than men...fact is a college degree will afford an individual with more opportunities in the job market than not having one...and many male dominated industries that don't require degrees have been cutting jobs and or wages

assuming these women will want to marry college educated men....there’s simply not enough men to make all those trips down the aisle a reality

also...

In 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young, single, childless women under 30 are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

This is irrelevant. Men are opting out of society. It's not that they can't get into college or earn degrees. Men just don't see the point. The only reason men care about making more money than women is to fulfill the provider function they are hardwired with. If these men no longer care about being in relationships then that programming is circumvented.

Men don't need a lot of money to obtain an ok life. Men are satisfied with spartan conditions. They only acquire things as a status marker for women.

So women can occupy all the jobs because despite out earning men, women report to be less happy and fulfilled
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap

And men are content with a Game system and internet
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...e_playing_video_games_instead_of_working.html

Men's desire to work hard is tied directly to their desire to provide. They have no one to provide for hence any incentive to engage in soul crushing labor is absent.

Have all the jobs ladies. Seriously. Take them. You want society you can have it.

Btw good luck with that crushing debt
https://www.creditsesame.com/blog/debt/battle-of-the-sexes-why-women-have-more-debt-than-men/

 

[LordZuko]

Question,

If you have a high 5fig job but possess 100k in student loans, 40k car note, 10k in cc debt, how much discretionary income do you actually have.

#wageslave

 

[blackrain]

Women have no honor nor any sense of sacrifice so they cannot appreciate these qualities in men.

This reads like the he-man woman haters club motto. You off the deep end with this one

You stay tryna add something of value to this thread. Keep at it, you'll get there someday

And you stay talking about how women are ruining your world and you need men to fix it. Just come out the closet already

 

[LordZuko]

Women have no honor nor any sense of sacrifice so they cannot appreciate these qualities in men.

This reads like the he-man woman haters club motto. You off the deep end with this one

You stay tryna add something of value to this thread. Keep at it, you'll get there someday

And you stay talking about how women are ruining your world and you need men to fix it. Just come out the closet already

Your rebuttal tactics are effeminate. I'm sure the irony wouldn't even be lost on you.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Once we get a divorce, you are no longer my responsibility. You better learn to live within your means like if you just got fired. That's a big reason why men go mgtow.

The reason these well off women have to marry down is not because their are significantly less men in their income bracket, it's because the men in their income bracket have far more options than she.

Money doesn't do for women what it does for men which is why these women end up buying dick, or marrying down.

Women can't find the men to build these estates or families with that's why they are settling and freezing their eggs. Because as much as women like to pretend that being in a man's world is what they want they aren't satisfied unless they can surround themselves with a network that emotionally validates them aka husband and kids.

Women crave emotional validation. That's y'alls raison d'être

men worried about alimony don't get married ....subscribing to this mgtow ideology is something different...maybe its a growing movement but where is the hard evidence

and key phrase is 'earning ability'

the last few decades way more women have graduated college than men...fact is a college degree will afford an individual with more opportunities in the job market than not having one...and many male dominated industries that don't require degrees have been cutting jobs and or wages

assuming these women will want to marry college educated men....there’s simply not enough men to make all those trips down the aisle a reality

also...

In 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young, single, childless women under 30 are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

This is irrelevant. Men are opting out of society. It's not that they can't get into college or earn degrees. Men just don't see the point. The only reason men care about making more money than women is to fulfill the provider function they are hardwired with. If these men no longer care about being in relationships then that programming is circumvented.

Men don't need a lot of money to obtain an ok life. Men are satisfied with spartan conditions. They only acquire things as a status marker for women.

So women can occupy all the jobs because despite out earning men, women report to be less happy and fulfilled
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap

And men are content with a Game system and internet
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...e_playing_video_games_instead_of_working.html

Men's desire to work hard is tied directly to their desire to provide. They have no one to provide for hence any incentive to engage in soul crushing labor is absent.

Have all the jobs ladies. Seriously. Take them. You want society you can have it.

Btw good luck with that crushing debt
https://www.creditsesame.com/blog/debt/battle-of-the-sexes-why-women-have-more-debt-than-men/

Money isnt everything. College isnt for everyone

But regardless of whether or not he has a girl, a man needs to be to provide for himself a life. And what about providing a better future for himself and his family?Moving out his mommas crib? Ps4s are the accessories can get expensive

More young ppl particularly young men are living with their parents than previous generations as well and many of them unemployed

And the difference in male-female college/university enrollment reflects performance differences that are evident well before college attendance

Boys have been struggling in k-12 the last 20+ yrs and are more likely to drop out which is a big issue that needs to be addressed. And its not girls are doing better than previous generations have. Boys are just doing worst...you going put all the blame on women for that right? Lol

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Honestly who are y'all dating that you have to worry about y'all being stuck for bread in a divorce?

A lot of people make out better in a 50/50 divorce because they were able to aquire arrests that they wouldn't be able to alone. (At least in a shorter time span)

9 hours?

man the teen energy is something i miss. shit 1hour tops an leave me alone for a week.

but dude got raped. 100%? how?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Always funny when people talk divorce laws being geared towards women when they are that way because its still fairly new in society for women to earn the money they do and be able to support themselves sans the help of a man ie their husband or father. Yes divorce laws need to be updated but to ignore the reason as to why its so heavily skewed towards women creates an intellectually dishonest discussion.

how?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Women have no honor nor any sense of sacrifice so they cannot appreciate these qualities in men.

cotdamn...this shit here burns.....

imma use this shit in my next argument with wifey.

she sharp wit the come backs....so imma say it an walk away

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Always funny when people talk divorce laws being geared towards women when they are that way because its still fairly new in society for women to earn the money they do and be able to support themselves sans the help of a man ie their husband or father. Yes divorce laws need to be updated but to ignore the reason as to why its so heavily skewed towards women creates an intellectually dishonest discussion.

The reason that women were included in the work force is because between ww1-vietnam the male population was depleted. The U.S. needed a tax base, "hey gals you know what would be a great sign of independence and stick it to the man? Join the work force"

Hook line and fuckin sinker.

The divorce laws had everything to do with home destabilization. Before the divorce laws were such that someone had to be at fault, adultery, neglect, abuse, etc etc. No fault divorce suddenly meant that women could leave their husband for no particular reason and take half his shit.

That was over 40 years ago. Even before then women were not this oppressed class feminists like to portray.

You can debate whether or not the a

Easier access to get divorced has increased the amount of it, which I do think it has. You can't really debate that women were viewed as 2nd tier, especially black women, and did not have access to certain things to help social mobility. That's a fact

Women have never had the same level of obligation or duty to the larger society as men. So no they were never on par with men.

Black women have nothing to do with this argument because a woman cannot possess any more respect or dignity than her man has. Black men are disrespected and denigrated, it is only natural black women will be as well.

so when they get a bit of attention they run with it from whoever is giving it to them..hence...maybe i should start dating outside my race. or even forget how black men got to where they are.

i have yet to hear another race of woman say that. they just like what they like without shitting on their own..

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Women have never had the same level of obligation or duty to the larger society as men. So no they were never on par with men.

These statements are funny because how would women have the same level of obligation or duty to the larger society like men if men were the ones deciding what a woman can/can't do so as to effectively remove those obligations. You're using the subjugation of women as justification in your argument.

All places of employment ban sex discrimination. You can look at a current model of occupations broken down by sex and you will see that women primarily work in white collar professions or blue collar service industry.

Women today aren't trying to work in coal mines or power plants or change the light bulbs on radio towers. Women primarily are not truck drivers garbage men or any of the labor that requires loads of time and physical labor.

Women check out of high end white collar jobs because they want the time to have family.

Women by nature are risk adverse. The only reason you have so many in the armed forces is because in reality we aren't fighting major enemies. Sign up get paid for the contract and get out. Most aren't even in combat roles.

So presently when women have the option to do any of these jobs, they don't. There's no evidence too suggest they would have back then either. Given the fact that much of the labor that comes with infrastructure building is upper body intensive, including women would have been inefficient and detrimental.

So let me clarify. Women had and have neither the ability nor inclination to take on the obligations and duties men are expected to in order to maintain a society.

Okay so are you going back 40-80 years or centuries of subjugation? Cuz you if you go all the way back, unless you're being intentionally ignorant, women never stood a chance. So while all these options are open to women now, and you keep repeating these things like "just because all these doors are open women should be jumping and bounding towards and because they're not is evidence of these couldn't do them". Like what?

but the roles for a woman were different.

they were homekeepers and baby raising while the men went out to hunt to feed the family or go to war protecting the tribe.

you cant try to selectively come out the hut to be equal in the spoils but hide when the fighting gets tough.

most men are geared to work hard for their families and communities. if women want the same then ok....when shit hits the fan....take all that comes with it. to often women fall back into their "genre" role when the opportunity to escape consequence presents itself.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Maybe that's what this is about. Humans in general being fed up with the status quo and how things "ought be done". And to say women can't do this or that is short sighted for the fact women have always been under the thumb of men.

you have always been under the thumb of men because women historically were unable to protect yourselves against the dangers of this world which includes other men from different tribes of people therefore men had to take charge and with that comes male authority

The way things " ought be done" did not develop in a vacuum there are reasons why men have for the most part always been better suited to be leaders

Yes protecting someone from danger automatically makes them incompetent in other facets of life. They shouldn't be allowed to vote, or go to school or have jobs cuz they need protection...... *rolls eyes* Men created the problem, men made the rules and now that women are saying fuck that 'women CAN go their own way" men are pissed.

I

Granted, it's something that should have been figured out without having to embrace MGTOW philosophy............but some of these cats would be lost without it.

I see it as a result of wo subservient to men.

cosign

ale shenanigans when it's precisely their money that's painted a bullseye on them.

today more times than not men with money and a high earning potential today are marrying a woman with money and a high earning potential as well

men marry down more than women still

and they know the risk. but marriage still is one of the best ways to build and maintain generational wealth

for the rest of society there is really no practical sense to do so nowadays...especially if you can't find someone with whom you believe you can build a family and estate with

the law isn't perfect. and i'd support putting a cap on alimony .... otherwise you don't want to get married don't. this idea you and mgtow choosing not to get married or partake in dating is a lost to any woman is delusional

A man marrying a woman of means by no means prevents her from seeking his wealth during a divorce. There are innumerable high profile divorces to illustrate this.

The idea of generational wealth is archaic. The earth is overpopulated and it would do well for the vast majority to not reproduce.

Alimony should be banned. The idea of subsidizing the existence of an individual after you've parted ways is bullshit.

The idea that women aren't affected by mgtow is asinine. I've already linked reports of women complaining about men deserts across the globe. The men haven't disappeared they just are choosing other forms of fulfillment.

Your ignorance is appalling. Your very existence is reliant upon men who perform labor intensive hazardous jobs daily. You wouldn't even be able to feed your fat face or wipe your shitty ass if it weren't for men. You probably would not last more than a couple days outside civilization because your survival skills are less than paltry.

lol

you can believe the idea of generational wealth is archaic but that doesn't change the fact the most eligible men on the market are more likely to find a date and marry than their counterparts

the issue for most young women is not the lack of suitors but men their age whose earning ability that meets or exceeds their own ... reason why a lot of young women are marrying, dating down...

and for a woman who is looking to find a partner to build a family and estate with, she is better off without a man whose idea of self actualization is sitting on the couch, he shares with his roommate or whoever, playing 2k for 5,6 hours at a time

if a man views women as being inferior or emotionally manipulative or leeches, a woman looking for romance and companionship she is obviously better off without that individual

so yes go your own way....

i'll also note blk women who are 25 to 54 and not in jail outnumber black men in that category by 1.5 million, according to an Upshot analysis. For every 100 black women in this age group living outside of jail, there are only 83 black men
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html

alimony is still a necessity for the stay at home husband and wives who sacrifice the opportunity to develop his or her skills or put their career on hold to raise a family or/and do house work. otherwise you'd have women and men suddenly out on the streets unable to support themselves running to sign up for welfare...

especially in the case of a relationship where a spouse's work significantly helped their partner get into a strongly positive financial situation, such as a wife who helped her husband set up and run a profitable business that he'll own after the divorce, or even having paid for higher education for their spouse which results in a large increase of pay, such as medical school... pay that man or woman

hmmmm.

imma take a shot at this post....

you speak on younger women seeking suitors.....alot of these guys spent time investing in dates while women saved their money by not paying for shit. only to later down the line complain of a man not having savings. alof ot these younger women dont have the same worries an a young man. for the most part a woman can just be young and studying....its not always that simple for men. our world is so cutthroat that we have to maneuver fuk shit daily. ill touch more on this later.

as for a woman wanting a man to build with her...honestly you are joking with this. i have yet to run into a woman who would build with a man that has nothing...like 90% would build with a man with a foundation already set in place. building together takes alot of sacrifice. something i dont see alot of. i have seen more women bounce when they got on their feet than men who roll out. and why would a woman want a dude whos on the couch all day to build a empire? that sounds stupid and setting herself up to be disappointed. so she thinks she could change him and take the credit for making him into something? he does the work while she pulls the strings? so reverting back to her genre, i see. "the pussy should make him built us something great." yea....good luck with that.

thank you for your stats on black women and men.

i guess we left out all the men who were killed by police or other people, went off to war, went to try to earn a living illegally and got sent away on trumped up charges and unfair jail sentences and planted drugs, illegal searches and a host of other things.

things women didnt have to do to help the family eat and survive in certain economic situations. or be called less of a man because the kids are hungry.

when was the last time a woman has been called less of a woman cause the kids aint eat? oh, that doesnt happen...because the no good babydaddy left them broke.

and lastly about that alimony shit.....funny how that works.

when a woman wants to leave alimony is sought and what do women do? "gurl, take him under. take all dat shit". but when a man leaves a woman with money...he is supposed to not take her money and stand up like a man an ear his way. even if he helped her built her empire.

so while you say...men can go ahead.....how about taking responsibility. cause now its sounding like a spoiled kid who didnt get there way and cant benefit no more so they throwing a temper tantrum.....aka a tall kid

 

[deadeye]

Maybe that's what this is about. Humans in general being fed up with the status quo and how things "ought be done". And to say women can't do this or that is short sighted for the fact women have always been under the thumb of men.

you have always been under the thumb of men because women historically were unable to protect yourselves against the dangers of this world which includes other men from different tribes of people therefore men had to take charge and with that comes male authority

The way things " ought be done" did not develop in a vacuum there are reasons why men have for the most part always been better suited to be leaders

Yes protecting someone from danger automatically makes them incompetent in other facets of life. They shouldn't be allowed to vote, or go to school or have jobs cuz they need protection...... *rolls eyes* Men created the problem, men made the rules and now that women are saying fuck that 'women CAN go their own way" men are pissed.

In regards to the bolded, it's actually the other way around.

Based on what little bit I can tell about MGTOW, it's basically men saying they're not gonna play the game anymore.

Not necessarily saying that they're gonna leave women alone altogether.........just that they'll only deal with them on their own terms.

Meaning, they're not gonna settle for being some chick's contingency plan or fall victim to a chick "settling" for them.

Granted, it's something that should have been figured out without having to embrace MGTOW philosophy............but some of these cats would be lost without it.

I see it as a result of women having more rights and demands, more freedom, more options and women aren't settling like they used to, put up with shit like they used to, or in general being subservient to men.

cosign

and this argument laws have made marriage too big a risk for men and that is what is driving the marriage rate down does not really jive well with the facts

while there's probably some truth to the idea that certain men avoid marriage because of the financial risks

men with higher incomes, high earning potential and assets to lose in a divorce are getting married at a higher rate then lower income men

low income women with no college education are less likely to marry as well

Yea those men are cannon fodder in ten years when the wife becomes eligible for alimony. These rich men all have the common hubris that their money will shield them away from female shenanigans when it's precisely their money that's painted a bullseye on them.

today more times than not men with money and a high earning potential today are marrying a woman with money and a high earning potential as well

men marry down more than women still

and they know the risk. but marriage still is one of the best ways to build and maintain generational wealth

for the rest of society there is really no practical sense to do so nowadays...especially if you can't find someone with whom you believe you can build a family and estate with

the law isn't perfect. and i'd support putting a cap on alimony .... otherwise you don't want to get married don't. this idea you and mgtow choosing not to get married or partake in dating is a lost to any woman is delusional

A man marrying a woman of means by no means prevents her from seeking his wealth during a divorce. There are innumerable high profile divorces to illustrate this.

The idea of generational wealth is archaic. The earth is overpopulated and it would do well for the vast majority to not reproduce.

Alimony should be banned. The idea of subsidizing the existence of an individual after you've parted ways is bullshit.

The idea that women aren't affected by mgtow is asinine. I've already linked reports of women complaining about men deserts across the globe. The men haven't disappeared they just are choosing other forms of fulfillment.

Your ignorance is appalling. Your very existence is reliant upon men who perform labor intensive hazardous jobs daily. You wouldn't even be able to feed your fat face or wipe your shitty ass if it weren't for men. You probably would not last more than a couple days outside civilization because your survival skills are less than paltry.

alimony is still a necessity for the stay at home husband and wives who sacrifice the opportunity to develop his or her skills or put their career on hold to raise a family or/and do house work. otherwise you'd have women and men suddenly out on the streets unable to support themselves running to sign up for welfare...

especially in the case of a relationship where a spouse's work significantly helped their partner get into a strongly positive financial situation, such as a wife who helped her husband set up and run a profitable business that he'll own after the divorce, or even having paid for higher education for their spouse which results in a large increase of pay, such as medical school... pay that man or woman

lol

And I thought we were all supposed to be equal.

When i say that we werent

Men should get ailmony too if they have a case

You're missing the point.

If we're all supposed to be equal..........then alimony should be done away with altogether.

There's no logical reason for one adult to be legally held financially responsible for another adult if they're no longer married.

People often bring up Halle Berry having to pay alimony to her exes like that's evidence of some type of progress or something

I never looked at it that way.

Granted, it's fair.........but that still doesn't make it right.

 

[LordZuko]

Once we get a divorce, you are no longer my responsibility. You better learn to live within your means like if you just got fired. That's a big reason why men go mgtow.

The reason these well off women have to marry down is not because their are significantly less men in their income bracket, it's because the men in their income bracket have far more options than she.

Money doesn't do for women what it does for men which is why these women end up buying dick, or marrying down.

Women can't find the men to build these estates or families with that's why they are settling and freezing their eggs. Because as much as women like to pretend that being in a man's world is what they want they aren't satisfied unless they can surround themselves with a network that emotionally validates them aka husband and kids.

Women crave emotional validation. That's y'alls raison d'être

men worried about alimony don't get married ....subscribing to this mgtow ideology is something different...maybe its a growing movement but where is the hard evidence

and key phrase is 'earning ability'

the last few decades way more women have graduated college than men...fact is a college degree will afford an individual with more opportunities in the job market than not having one...and many male dominated industries that don't require degrees have been cutting jobs and or wages

assuming these women will want to marry college educated men....there’s simply not enough men to make all those trips down the aisle a reality

also...

In 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young, single, childless women under 30 are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

This is irrelevant. Men are opting out of society. It's not that they can't get into college or earn degrees. Men just don't see the point. The only reason men care about making more money than women is to fulfill the provider function they are hardwired with. If these men no longer care about being in relationships then that programming is circumvented.

Men don't need a lot of money to obtain an ok life. Men are satisfied with spartan conditions. They only acquire things as a status marker for women.

So women can occupy all the jobs because despite out earning men, women report to be less happy and fulfilled
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap

And men are content with a Game system and internet
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...e_playing_video_games_instead_of_working.html

Men's desire to work hard is tied directly to their desire to provide. They have no one to provide for hence any incentive to engage in soul crushing labor is absent.

Have all the jobs ladies. Seriously. Take them. You want society you can have it.

Btw good luck with that crushing debt
https://www.creditsesame.com/blog/debt/battle-of-the-sexes-why-women-have-more-debt-than-men/

Money isnt everything. College isnt for everyone

But regardless of whether or not he has a girl, a man needs to be to provide for himself a life. And what about providing a better future for himself and his family?Moving out his mommas crib? Ps4s are the accessories can get expensive

More young ppl particularly young men are living with their parents than previous generations as well and many of them unemployed

And the difference in male-female college/university enrollment reflects performance differences that are evident well before college attendance

Boys have been struggling in k-12 the last 20+ yrs and are more likely to drop out which is a big issue that needs to be addressed. And its not girls are doing better than previous generations have. Boys are just doing worst...you going put all the blame on women for that right? Lol

You making this too easy.

Females have a larger debt to income ratio. So females tend to live beyond their means. Another factor for why men don't marry. Because your spouse's debt becomes our debt.

Whether a man is living why his parents or living with multiple roommates, he is typically going to live within his means.

We've already gone over the education system inn other threads. My answers haven't changed You can go back and review them.

 

[deadeye]

lol

you can believe the idea of generational wealth is archaic but that doesn't change the fact the most eligible men on the market are more likely to find a date and marry than their counterparts

the issue for most young women is not the lack of suitors but men their age whose earning ability that meets or exceeds their own ... reason why a lot of young women are marrying, dating down...

and for a woman who is looking to find a partner to build a family and estate with, she is better off without a man whose idea of self actualization is sitting on the couch, he shares with his roommate or whoever, playing 2k for 5,6 hours at a time

if a man views women as being inferior or emotionally manipulative or leeches, a woman looking for romance and companionship she is obviously better off without that individual

so yes go your own way....

i'll also note blk women who are 25 to 54 and not in jail outnumber black men in that category by 1.5 million, according to an Upshot analysis. For every 100 black women in this age group living outside of jail, there are only 83 black men
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html

alimony is still a necessity for the stay at home husband and wives who sacrifice the opportunity to develop his or her skills or put their career on hold to raise a family or/and do house work. otherwise you'd have women and men suddenly out on the streets unable to support themselves running to sign up for welfare...

especially in the case of a relationship where a spouse's work significantly helped their partner get into a strongly positive financial situation, such as a wife who helped her husband set up and run a profitable business that he'll own after the divorce, or even having paid for higher education for their spouse which results in a large increase of pay, such as medical school... pay that man or woman

thank you for your stats on black women and men.

i guess we left out all the men who were killed by police or other people, went off to war, went to try to earn a living illegally and got sent away on trumped up charges and unfair jail sentences and planted drugs, illegal searches and a host of other things.

things women didnt have to do to help the family eat and survive in certain economic situations. or be called less of a man because the kids are hungry.

when was the last time a woman has been called less of a woman cause the kids aint eat? oh, that doesnt happen...because the no good babydaddy left them broke.

and lastly about that alimony shit.....funny how that works.

when a woman wants to leave alimony is sought and what do women do? "gurl, take him under. take all dat shit". but when a man leaves a woman with money...he is supposed to not take her money and stand up like a man an ear his way. even if he helped her built her empire.

so while you say...men can go ahead.....how about taking responsibility. cause now its sounding like a spoiled kid who didnt get there way and cant benefit no more so they throwing a temper tantrum.....aka a tall kid

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

I love the direction this thread is taking so far.

Shout out to all the contributirs for displaying respect, debate spirit and peacefull talk.

What yall are avhieving is what can bring back men and women togehter in society.

That being said its not the case outside. Matter of fact, each side is dicsussing among themselves. Thus nobody has a global approch of strong critique.

 

[LordZuko]

I love the direction this thread is taking so far.

Shout out to all the contributirs for displaying respect, debate spirit and peacefull talk.

What yall are avhieving is what can bring back men and women togehter in society.

That being said its not the case outside. Matter of fact, each side is dicsussing among themselves. Thus nobody has a global approch of strong critique.

There is no bringing women and men back together.

There are more incentives for men to not marry than to get hitched.

Sex was the primary motivation for men to get married, but it's so widely available now that the old adage comes to mind, why buy the cow....

Men are beginning to realize that the most females will bring to the relationship is sex, and worse sex as time goes on. And that's not nearly enough to date someone, let alone get into a legally binding agreement where half of your assets are the security in the instance the contract is broken.