MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

I love the direction this thread is taking so far.

Shout out to all the contributirs for displaying respect, debate spirit and peacefull talk.

What yall are avhieving is what can bring back men and women togehter in society.

That being said its not the case outside. Matter of fact, each side is dicsussing among themselves. Thus nobody has a global approch of strong critique.

There is no bringing women and men back together.

There are more incentives for men to not marry than to get hitched.

Sex was the primary motivation for men to get married, but it's so widely available now that the old adage comes to mind, why buy the cow....

Men are beginning to realize that the most females will bring to the relationship is sex, and worse sex as time goes on. And that's not nearly enough to date someone, let alone get into a legally binding agreement where half of your assets are the security in the instance the contract is broken.

Sir, do you imply that our siters and their female offsprings have to ...

WOMAN UP

If yes then in which areas?

 

[LPast]

I love the direction this thread is taking so far.

Shout out to all the contributirs for displaying respect, debate spirit and peacefull talk.

What yall are avhieving is what can bring back men and women togehter in society.

That being said its not the case outside. Matter of fact, each side is dicsussing among themselves. Thus nobody has a global approch of strong critique.

There is no bringing women and men back together.

There are more incentives for men to not marry than to get hitched.

Sex was the primary motivation for men to get married, but it's so widely available now that the old adage comes to mind, why buy the cow....

Men are beginning to realize that the most females will bring to the relationship is sex, and worse sex as time goes on. And that's not nearly enough to date someone, let alone get into a legally binding agreement where half of your assets are the security in the instance the contract is broken.

Wrong. As a man, sex should NEVER be the reason you get married. The primary reason for a man to get married is typically to build a family.

I completely disagree with the notion that all women bring to the table is sex. I'll get more into this later...

 

[LordZuko]

Females can do whatever they want to do. They should arrive at whatever solutions or remedies they think will work best for them.

It just shouldn't include men as playing the primary role or catalyst.

After all feminists and women in general have been behaving as if men are superfluous for the last 50 years. Now they want men to keep the same responsibilities but take on a second banana role.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Once we get a divorce, you are no longer my responsibility. You better learn to live within your means like if you just got fired. That's a big reason why men go mgtow.

The reason these well off women have to marry down is not because their are significantly less men in their income bracket, it's because the men in their income bracket have far more options than she.

Money doesn't do for women what it does for men which is why these women end up buying dick, or marrying down.

Women can't find the men to build these estates or families with that's why they are settling and freezing their eggs. Because as much as women like to pretend that being in a man's world is what they want they aren't satisfied unless they can surround themselves with a network that emotionally validates them aka husband and kids.

Women crave emotional validation. That's y'alls raison d'être

men worried about alimony don't get married ....subscribing to this mgtow ideology is something different...maybe its a growing movement but where is the hard evidence

and key phrase is 'earning ability'

the last few decades way more women have graduated college than men...fact is a college degree will afford an individual with more opportunities in the job market than not having one...and many male dominated industries that don't require degrees have been cutting jobs and or wages

assuming these women will want to marry college educated men....there’s simply not enough men to make all those trips down the aisle a reality

also...

In 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young, single, childless women under 30 are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

This is irrelevant. Men are opting out of society. It's not that they can't get into college or earn degrees. Men just don't see the point. The only reason men care about making more money than women is to fulfill the provider function they are hardwired with. If these men no longer care about being in relationships then that programming is circumvented.

Men don't need a lot of money to obtain an ok life. Men are satisfied with spartan conditions. They only acquire things as a status marker for women.

So women can occupy all the jobs because despite out earning men, women report to be less happy and fulfilled
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap

And men are content with a Game system and internet
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...e_playing_video_games_instead_of_working.html

Men's desire to work hard is tied directly to their desire to provide. They have no one to provide for hence any incentive to engage in soul crushing labor is absent.

Have all the jobs ladies. Seriously. Take them. You want society you can have it.

Btw good luck with that crushing debt
https://www.creditsesame.com/blog/debt/battle-of-the-sexes-why-women-have-more-debt-than-men/

Money isnt everything. College isnt for everyone

But regardless of whether or not he has a girl, a man needs to be to provide for himself a life. And what about providing a better future for himself and his family?Moving out his mommas crib? Ps4s are the accessories can get expensive

More young ppl particularly young men are living with their parents than previous generations as well and many of them unemployed

And the difference in male-female college/university enrollment reflects performance differences that are evident well before college attendance

Boys have been struggling in k-12 the last 20+ yrs and are more likely to drop out which is a big issue that needs to be addressed. And its not girls are doing better than previous generations have. Boys are just doing worst...you going put all the blame on women for that right? Lol

You making this too easy.

Females have a larger debt to income ratio. So females tend to live beyond their means. Another factor for why men don't marry. Because your spouse's debt becomes our debt.

Whether a man is living why his parents or living with multiple roommates, he is typically going to live within his means.

We've already gone over the education system inn other threads. My answers haven't changed You can go back and review them.

this is why chicks want niggas to simp.....with no plan on returning any kind of genuine thank you.

 

[LPast]

Is it a man's responsibility to lead women?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Is it a man's responsibility to lead women?

Imo, logic should lead. It doesn't matter if you're man, woman, old or young, logic trumps.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

it is the mans responsibility to lead the woman....but the woman also needs to understand how to be lead.

too many chick hate the follow behind someone who doesnt have a proven record. thats why they want men who are already established. they are certified in a way. but that doesnt mean he wil treat you right...

women dont want a dude who aint got shit to be the one to lead them. too many variables.

so while i hear all thats young woman cant find a suitor shit...most of them look past the wishlist and the wand and will and go for the established.

thats why dudes that got something going for themselves run thru chicks the way they do....cause all they gotta do is pull up in a $100k car and panties drop with no effort.

and besides....most woman dont know what they want. they think they know what they want....but what they are certain of is they dont want to work all they lives. and if they can find enough simp niggas to take care of them...they will milk it for all its worth with no fukks given about the persons feelings.

bottom line is alot of women think and hear with their eyes. and secure with they pussy.

 

[LordZuko]

Is it a man's responsibility to lead women?

Imo, logic should lead. It doesn't matter if you're man, woman, old or young, logic trumps.

And logic states that those who shoulder the most responsibility and incur the greatest consequence should be responsible for decision making.

And those who refuse to take responsibility for even the most personal decisions should fall back. All the way back.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Is it a man's responsibility to lead women?

Imo, logic should lead. It doesn't matter if you're man, woman, old or young, logic trumps.

And logic states that those who shoulder the most responsibility and incur the greatest consequence should be responsible for decision making.

And those who refuse to take responsibility for even the most personal decisions should fall back. All the way back.

interesting statement...

yet alot of men have to still fight to head or lead the household with a woman...

always wanting to lead the army but not go into battle

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Once we get a divorce, you are no longer my responsibility. You better learn to live within your means like if you just got fired. That's a big reason why men go mgtow.

The reason these well off women have to marry down is not because their are significantly less men in their income bracket, it's because the men in their income bracket have far more options than she.

Money doesn't do for women what it does for men which is why these women end up buying dick, or marrying down.

Women can't find the men to build these estates or families with that's why they are settling and freezing their eggs. Because as much as women like to pretend that being in a man's world is what they want they aren't satisfied unless they can surround themselves with a network that emotionally validates them aka husband and kids.

Women crave emotional validation. That's y'alls raison d'être

men worried about alimony don't get married ....subscribing to this mgtow ideology is something different...maybe its a growing movement but where is the hard evidence

and key phrase is 'earning ability'

the last few decades way more women have graduated college than men...fact is a college degree will afford an individual with more opportunities in the job market than not having one...and many male dominated industries that don't require degrees have been cutting jobs and or wages

assuming these women will want to marry college educated men....there’s simply not enough men to make all those trips down the aisle a reality

also...

In 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young, single, childless women under 30 are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

This is irrelevant. Men are opting out of society. It's not that they can't get into college or earn degrees. Men just don't see the point. The only reason men care about making more money than women is to fulfill the provider function they are hardwired with. If these men no longer care about being in relationships then that programming is circumvented.

Men don't need a lot of money to obtain an ok life. Men are satisfied with spartan conditions. They only acquire things as a status marker for women.

So women can occupy all the jobs because despite out earning men, women report to be less happy and fulfilled
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap

And men are content with a Game system and internet
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...e_playing_video_games_instead_of_working.html

Men's desire to work hard is tied directly to their desire to provide. They have no one to provide for hence any incentive to engage in soul crushing labor is absent.

Have all the jobs ladies. Seriously. Take them. You want society you can have it.

Btw good luck with that crushing debt
https://www.creditsesame.com/blog/debt/battle-of-the-sexes-why-women-have-more-debt-than-men/

Money isnt everything. College isnt for everyone

But regardless of whether or not he has a girl, a man needs to be to provide for himself a life. And what about providing a better future for himself and his family?Moving out his mommas crib? Ps4s are the accessories can get expensive

More young ppl particularly young men are living with their parents than previous generations as well and many of them unemployed

And the difference in male-female college/university enrollment reflects performance differences that are evident well before college attendance

Boys have been struggling in k-12 the last 20+ yrs and are more likely to drop out which is a big issue that needs to be addressed. And its not girls are doing better than previous generations have. Boys are just doing worst...you going put all the blame on women for that right? Lol

You making this too easy.

Females have a larger debt to income ratio. So females tend to live beyond their means. Another factor for why men don't marry. Because your spouse's debt becomes our debt.

Whether a man is living why his parents or living with multiple roommates, he is typically going to live within his means.

We've already gone over the education system inn other threads. My answers haven't changed You can go back and review them.

Men deciding not to marry is not some proof that they are not dating or living happily with their girl. Fact is cohabitation, illegitimacy and common law marriages are at all time highs. Doesnt sound like very many men no longer care about being in relationships as u suggested

Rather it just says marriage isnt important to a lot ppl

Like i said the issue for most young women who are looking to marry is not the lack of availible men but men their age whose earning ability that meets or exceeds their own ... reason why a lot of young women are marrying, dating down...

You claim men are purposing not going to college or go but don't graduate college because if they are choosing not to date or marry women there would be no reason to...which is ridiculous

But that could be the case for a few but where is the hard evidence that this is a growing trend

And it doesnt jive with the fact the female/male college trend is reflected in k-12. Boys and young men have been struggling and falling behind in k-12 ...which needs to be addressed. Unless you want to argue that is really a good thing?

That said, college is an investment and well worth it if u plan correctly. As we see now without a degree it is going to be hard finding good work

I'll admit that what it means to be a man and woman is ever envolving...and young men today are impacted the most. But not all change is bad

But yes i can see it being easy just talking out ur ass

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Once we get a divorce, you are no longer my responsibility. You better learn to live within your means like if you just got fired. That's a big reason why men go mgtow.

The reason these well off women have to marry down is not because their are significantly less men in their income bracket, it's because the men in their income bracket have far more options than she.

Money doesn't do for women what it does for men which is why these women end up buying dick, or marrying down.

Women can't find the men to build these estates or families with that's why they are settling and freezing their eggs. Because as much as women like to pretend that being in a man's world is what they want they aren't satisfied unless they can surround themselves with a network that emotionally validates them aka husband and kids.

Women crave emotional validation. That's y'alls raison d'être

men worried about alimony don't get married ....subscribing to this mgtow ideology is something different...maybe its a growing movement but where is the hard evidence

and key phrase is 'earning ability'

the last few decades way more women have graduated college than men...fact is a college degree will afford an individual with more opportunities in the job market than not having one...and many male dominated industries that don't require degrees have been cutting jobs and or wages

assuming these women will want to marry college educated men....there’s simply not enough men to make all those trips down the aisle a reality

also...

In 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young, single, childless women under 30 are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

This is irrelevant. Men are opting out of society. It's not that they can't get into college or earn degrees. Men just don't see the point. The only reason men care about making more money than women is to fulfill the provider function they are hardwired with. If these men no longer care about being in relationships then that programming is circumvented.

Men don't need a lot of money to obtain an ok life. Men are satisfied with spartan conditions. They only acquire things as a status marker for women.

So women can occupy all the jobs because despite out earning men, women report to be less happy and fulfilled
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap

And men are content with a Game system and internet
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...e_playing_video_games_instead_of_working.html

Men's desire to work hard is tied directly to their desire to provide. They have no one to provide for hence any incentive to engage in soul crushing labor is absent.

Have all the jobs ladies. Seriously. Take them. You want society you can have it.

Btw good luck with that crushing debt
https://www.creditsesame.com/blog/debt/battle-of-the-sexes-why-women-have-more-debt-than-men/

Money isnt everything. College isnt for everyone

But regardless of whether or not he has a girl, a man needs to be to provide for himself a life. And what about providing a better future for himself and his family?Moving out his mommas crib? Ps4s are the accessories can get expensive

More young ppl particularly young men are living with their parents than previous generations as well and many of them unemployed

And the difference in male-female college/university enrollment reflects performance differences that are evident well before college attendance

Boys have been struggling in k-12 the last 20+ yrs and are more likely to drop out which is a big issue that needs to be addressed. And its not girls are doing better than previous generations have. Boys are just doing worst...you going put all the blame on women for that right? Lol

You making this too easy.

Females have a larger debt to income ratio. So females tend to live beyond their means. Another factor for why men don't marry. Because your spouse's debt becomes our debt.

Whether a man is living why his parents or living with multiple roommates, he is typically going to live within his means.

We've already gone over the education system inn other threads. My answers haven't changed You can go back and review them.

Men deciding not to marry is not some proof that they are not dating or living happily with their girl. Fact is cohabitation, illegitimacy and common law marriages are at all time highs. Doesnt sound like very many men no longer care about being in relationships as u suggested

Rather it just says marriage isnt important to a lot ppl

Like i said the issue for most young women who are looking to marry is not the lack of availible men but men their age whose earning ability that meets or exceeds their own ... reason why a lot of young women are marrying, dating down...

You claim men are purposing not going to college or go but don't graduate college because if they are choosing not to date or marry women there would be no reason to...which is ridiculous

But that could be the case for a few but where is the hard evidence that this is a growing trend

And it doesnt jive with the fact the female/male college trend is reflected in k-12. Boys and young men have been struggling and falling behind in k-12 ...which needs to be addressed. Unless you want to argue that is really a good thing?

That said, college is an investment and well worth it if u plan correctly. As we see now without a degree it is going to be hard finding good work

I'll admit that what it means to be a man and woman is ever envolving...and young men today are impacted the most. But not all change is bad

But yes i can see it being easy just talking out ur ass

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

 

[LordZuko]

Once we get a divorce, you are no longer my responsibility. You better learn to live within your means like if you just got fired. That's a big reason why men go mgtow.

Women can't find the men to build these estates or families with that's why they are settling and freezing their eggs. Because as much as women like to pretend that being in a man's world is what they want they aren't satisfied unless they can surround themselves with a network that emotionally validates them aka husband and kids.

Women crave emotional validation. That's y'alls raison d'être

men worried about alimony don't get married ....subscribing to this mgtow ideology is something different...maybe its a growing movement but where is the hard evidence

and key phrase is 'earning ability'

the last few decades way more women have graduated college than men...fact is a college degree will afford an individual with more opportunities in the job market than not having one...and many male dominated industries that don't require degrees have been cutting jobs and or wages

assuming these women will want to marry college educated men....there’s simply not enough men to make all those trips down the aisle a reality

also...

In 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young, single, childless women under 30 are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

This is irrelevant. Men are opting out of society. It's not that they can't get into college or earn degrees. Men just don't see the point. The only reason men care about making more money than women is to fulfill the provider function they are hardwired with. If these men no longer care about being in relationships then that programming is circumvented.

Men don't need a lot of money to obtain an ok life. Men are satisfied with spartan conditions. They only acquire things as a status marker for women.

So women can occupy all the jobs because despite out earning men, women report to be less happy and fulfilled
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap

And men are content with a Game system and internet
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...e_playing_video_games_instead_of_working.html

Men's desire to work hard is tied directly to their desire to provide. They have no one to provide for hence any incentive to engage in soul crushing labor is absent.

Have all the jobs ladies. Seriously. Take them. You want society you can have it.

Btw good luck with that crushing debt
https://www.creditsesame.com/blog/debt/battle-of-the-sexes-why-women-have-more-debt-than-men/

Money isnt everything. College isnt for everyone

But regardless of whether or not he has a girl, a man needs to be to provide for himself a life. And what about providing a better future for himself and his family?Moving out his mommas crib? Ps4s are the accessories can get expensive

More young ppl particularly young men are living with their parents than previous generations as well and many of them unemployed

And the difference in male-female college/university enrollment reflects performance differences that are evident well before college attendance

Boys have been struggling in k-12 the last 20+ yrs and are more likely to drop out which is a big issue that needs to be addressed. And its not girls are doing better than previous generations have. Boys are just doing worst...you going put all the blame on women for that right? Lol

You making this too easy.

Females have a larger debt to income ratio. So females tend to live beyond their means. Another factor for why men don't marry. Because your spouse's debt becomes our debt.

Whether a man is living why his parents or living with multiple roommates, he is typically going to live within his means.

We've already gone over the education system inn other threads. My answers haven't changed You can go back and review them.

Men deciding not to marry is not some proof that they are not dating or living happily with their girl. Fact is cohabitation, illegitimacy and common law marriages are at all time highs. Doesnt sound like very many men no longer care about being in relationships as u suggested

Rather it just says marriage isnt important to a lot ppl

Like i said the issue for most young women who are looking to marry is not the lack of availible men but men their age whose earning ability that meets or exceeds their own ... reason why a lot of young women are marrying, dating down...

You claim men are purposing not going to college or go but don't graduate college because if they are choosing not to date or marry women there would be no reason to...which is ridiculous

But that could be the case for a few but where is the hard evidence that this is a growing trend

And it doesnt jive with the fact the female/male college trend is reflected in k-12. Boys and young men have been struggling and falling behind in k-12 ...which needs to be addressed. Unless you want to argue that is really a good thing?

That said, college is an investment and well worth it if u plan correctly. As we see now without a degree it is going to be hard finding good work

I'll admit that what it means to be a man and woman is ever envolving...and young men today are impacted the most. But not all change is bad

But yes i can see it being easy just talking out ur ass

Bingo, bango, bongo

Cohabiting couples had a separation rate five times that of married couples and a reconciliation rate that was one-third that of married couples.

Cohabiting couples are more likely to experience infidelity.

Compared to those planning to marry, those cohabiting have an overall poorer relationship quality. They tend to have more fighting and violence and less reported happiness.
https://www.thespruce.com/cohabitation-facts-and-statistics-2302236

There are a myriad of reasons why Men choose not to pursue college.relationships and future marriages are just one of them
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/04/men-women-college-proportion/

Many opt for trade school, others don't want the debt, others still leave because of anti male hostility.

Schools in general fail to meet the needs of boys. But we've already gone over that and I'm not rehashing.

We're going to keep the discussion focused on why men decide on a certain course of action not boys.

@Madame_CJSkywalker. Btw i never said That men not wanting relationships is the reason for dropping out. You're either conflating my argument or your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

I said men not desiring marriage is a reason many don't strive to earn more money than women. They don't have a provider role that drives them.

 

[sunlord]

IF MEN are having bastard children and cohabiting with women but not marrying them then that should be a sign to women that many many MEN don't really want to link ourselves with you except for sex.... and by the way bastard children and men refusing marriage are signals that a culture and society is in decline/collapse.

family is the center of a culture if the family is degraded then the culture is degraded. MEN/boys falling behind in school spells catastrophe because the results will be poorer men and since men are more prone to extreme acts of violence it means more suffering. This culture has stopped the mass production of proper men who are secure and understand their gender role or even want to take on that gener role because they see no benefit in it. The changes in society have been fucking horrible and men have begun to rebel, mgtow is a symptom of this rebellion BUT I don't think women have recognized this yet.

WHEN mgtow and similar ideologies finally hit the so call intelligentsia........ things are going to get very interesting.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

One minute its shame on women for fucking around with bums and thugs

Then too many women standards are too high...what are they bringing to the table

Fact is for many single women under 30 with no children they will have a hard time meeting a male counterpart their age whose earning ability meets or exceeds their own

With young to middle age blk women its even harder

Yes we lost a lot of dating prospects due to racism but that doesnt change the fact blk women outnumber blk men in america

Even if every blk man in america married a blk woman today, one out of 10,12 blk women still wouldn't make it down the aisle if they hoped to marry a blk man

And then when u account for men who are not single or gay or don't date blk women the dating pool shrinks even more for blk women looking to date a blk men. For college educated blk women who want a college educated blk man the dating pool is even smaller

Will women have to adjust there standards yes. But this idea that taking a persons financial situation into consideration is objectifying or should discouraged is bunk

 

[2stepz_ahead]

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

One minute its shame on women for fucking around with bums and thugs

Then too many women standards are too high...what are they bringing to the table

Fact is for many single women under 30 with no children they will have a hard time meeting a male counterpart their age whose earning ability meets or exceeds their own

With young to middle age blk women its even harder

Yes we lost a lot of dating prospects due to racism but that doesnt change the fact blk women outnumber blk men in america

Even if every blk man in america married a blk woman today, one out of 10,12 blk women still wouldn't make it down the aisle if they hoped to marry a blk man

And then when u account for men who are not single or gay or don't date blk women the dating pool shrinks even more for blk women looking to date a blk men. For college educated blk women who want a college educated blk man the dating pool is even smaller

Will women have to adjust there standards yes. But this idea that taking a persons financial situation into consideration is objectifying or should discouraged is bunk

everything you said...is more reason why women should change their stank attitudes.

cause thats a big reason....their attitude stank.

ever tried talking to a woman who makes 6 figures? thats how she defines herself. but can you fukk tho? can you cook? those things dont matter cause she got money but she still lonely and stank.

men have the pick of the litter yet women still think they hot shit. you have ugly chicks thinking they are dimes.

so if you take out the stank attitude chicks, fat unhealthy chicks, career hoes, self absorbed hoes, wanna be hoes, gold diggers, that just made men out number quality women. black or white.

an you have no one to blame but the women before you. the ones who tell their daughters " you dont need a man" or " you can make your own money" or "what can a man do for you that a vibrator cant?"

the brainwashing starts early.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Bingo, bango, bongo

Cohabiting couples had a separation rate five times that of married couples and a reconciliation rate that was one-third that of married couples.

Cohabiting couples are more likely to experience infidelity.

Compared to those planning to marry, those cohabiting have an overall poorer relationship quality. They tend to have more fighting and violence and less reported happiness.
https://www.thespruce.com/cohabitation-facts-and-statistics-2302236

There are a myriad of reasons why Men choose not to pursue college.relationships and future marriages are just one of them
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/04/men-women-college-proportion/

Many opt for trade school, others don't want the debt, others still leave because of anti male hostility.

Schools in general fail to meet the needs of boys. But we've already gone over that and I'm not rehashing.

We're going to keep the discussion focused on why men decide on a certain course of action not boys.

@Madame_CJSkywalker. Btw i never said That men not wanting relationships is the reason for dropping out. You're either conflating my argument or your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

I said men not desiring marriage is a reason many don't strive to earn more money than women. They don't have a provider role that drives them.

lol

again you are suggesting a large and growing contingent of men are purposely opting of society and walking away from women but you have yet to provide any hard evidence

the evidence we do have suggest...

-men and women no longer see marriage as being important, at least not the non-college educated and lower income folk

-women decided to wait or forgo marriage is what is largely driving marriage rates down

-and serial monogamy has been on the rise

maybe ur right...we turn into japan. but there are really no real losers if these men truly prefer the company of a game console to women...the economy will suffer guess one could argue. but maybe we could use a reset *shrugs*

 

[sunlord]

JAPAN IS A DYING SOCIETY.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

One minute its shame on women for fucking around with bums and thugs

Then too many women standards are too high...what are they bringing to the table

Fact is for many single women under 30 with no children they will have a hard time meeting a male counterpart their age whose earning ability meets or exceeds their own

With young to middle age blk women its even harder

Yes we lost a lot of dating prospects due to racism but that doesnt change the fact blk women outnumber blk men in america

Even if every blk man in america married a blk woman today, one out of 10,12 blk women still wouldn't make it down the aisle if they hoped to marry a blk man

And then when u account for men who are not single or gay or don't date blk women the dating pool shrinks even more for blk women looking to date a blk men. For college educated blk women who want a college educated blk man the dating pool is even smaller

Will women have to adjust there standards yes. But this idea that taking a persons financial situation into consideration is objectifying or should discouraged is bunk

everything you said...is more reason why women should change their stank attitudes.

and even if every blk woman were to have a more pliable attitude there will still be women left without a man if she wants to date a blk man

i mentioned how if you account for gays, men who don't date blk women the dating pool shrinks... what about the men who are physically/mentally abusive, not monogamy material, not father material, chronically unemployed etc

so would that change of attitude include accepting these men and their faults no matter what

we already see that today...i already see some blk men taking advantage ....women putting up with infidelity, dishonesty and abuse just to have somebody

but yes both men and women need to look in the mirror

 

[LordZuko]

Bingo, bango, bongo

Cohabiting couples had a separation rate five times that of married couples and a reconciliation rate that was one-third that of married couples.

Cohabiting couples are more likely to experience infidelity.

Compared to those planning to marry, those cohabiting have an overall poorer relationship quality. They tend to have more fighting and violence and less reported happiness.
https://www.thespruce.com/cohabitation-facts-and-statistics-2302236

There are a myriad of reasons why Men choose not to pursue college.relationships and future marriages are just one of them
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/04/men-women-college-proportion/

Many opt for trade school, others don't want the debt, others still leave because of anti male hostility.

Schools in general fail to meet the needs of boys. But we've already gone over that and I'm not rehashing.

We're going to keep the discussion focused on why men decide on a certain course of action not boys.

@Madame_CJSkywalker. Btw i never said That men not wanting relationships is the reason for dropping out. You're either conflating my argument or your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

I said men not desiring marriage is a reason many don't strive to earn more money than women. They don't have a provider role that drives them.

lol

again you are suggesting a large and growing contingent of men are purposely opting of society and walking away from women but you have yet to provide any hard evidence

the evidence we do have suggest...

-men and women no longer see marriage as being important, at least not the non-college educated and lower income folk

-women decided to wait or forgo marriage is what is largely driving marriage rates down

-and serial monogamy has been on the rise

maybe ur right...we turn into japan. but there are really no real losers if these men truly prefer the company of a game console to women...the economy will suffer guess one could argue. but maybe we could use a reset *shrugs*

I provided plenty of evidence. You just like to pretend you can't read.

Look it's ok to just back out the argument. You don't have a point you never had one. You just felt some type of way that men are increasingly deciding to hit you with the WarGames strategy.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Bingo, bango, bongo

Cohabiting couples had a separation rate five times that of married couples and a reconciliation rate that was one-third that of married couples.

Cohabiting couples are more likely to experience infidelity.

Compared to those planning to marry, those cohabiting have an overall poorer relationship quality. They tend to have more fighting and violence and less reported happiness.
https://www.thespruce.com/cohabitation-facts-and-statistics-2302236

There are a myriad of reasons why Men choose not to pursue college.relationships and future marriages are just one of them
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/04/men-women-college-proportion/

Many opt for trade school, others don't want the debt, others still leave because of anti male hostility.

Schools in general fail to meet the needs of boys. But we've already gone over that and I'm not rehashing.

We're going to keep the discussion focused on why men decide on a certain course of action not boys.

@Madame_CJSkywalker. Btw i never said That men not wanting relationships is the reason for dropping out. You're either conflating my argument or your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

I said men not desiring marriage is a reason many don't strive to earn more money than women. They don't have a provider role that drives them.

lol

again you are suggesting a large and growing contingent of men are purposely opting of society and walking away from women but you have yet to provide any hard evidence

the evidence we do have suggest...

-men and women no longer see marriage as being important, at least not the non-college educated and lower income folk

-women decided to wait or forgo marriage is what is largely driving marriage rates down

-and serial monogamy has been on the rise

maybe ur right...we turn into japan. but there are really no real losers if these men truly prefer the company of a game console to women...the economy will suffer guess one could argue. but maybe we could use a reset *shrugs*

I provided plenty of evidence. You just like to pretend you can't read.

Look it's ok to just back out the argument. You don't have a point you never had one. You just felt some type of way that men are increasingly deciding to hit you with the WarGames strategy.

i said hard evidence

and lol @ any one hitting me with a wargames startegy.... i don't know exactly what that means.... but no need to explain...

think i'll be ok