Melle Mel Calls Out Jay Z, Kendrick Lamar & J. Cole For Not Connecting To Hip Hop History

[nj2089]

Kendrick and J.Cole hasn't featured me in the public spotlight personally so he's not connecting hip hop history

 

[nj2089]

Kendrick had Mc Eiht on gkmc and George Clinton on Tpab

 

[5 Grand]

Its unbelievable that somebody would go on a Hip Hop message board and diss Melle Mel.

If it wasn't for Melle Mel this messagebord wouldn't be here.

I'm all for respecting legends of the genre. I've made plenty posts about how disgusting it is that hip hop is the only culture we tell our originators and legends to go away because "you're 30 and nobody wants to hear an old rapper"...but this shit here sounds more like some why don't niggas give me hand outs. Melle Mel ain't make a general comment he named specific names of artists whose music whose music is resonating with people the most right now and gave props to one who many see as a culture vulture. It was a good point made with shitty examples

Yeah but the people he named didn't reach out to him. They don't even mention his name when they give shout outs.

Think about it, if your a rapper and your cd is 60 minutes long, why wouldn't you give a shout out to Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc?

The only reason I can think of is that they don't know anything about the old school. It was so far before their time they weren't even born. Their parents hadn't even met yet.

Having said that, DJ AJ died this morning (September 9, 2015). He was Kurtis Blow's DJ.

RIP DJ AJ

I used to kill this song when I was in 6th grade.

AJ Scratch - Kurtis Blow

So every rap CD needs a shout out to some old school legend? That's fucking ridiculous. That's also what makes this a bad example because the artist mentioned do and have mentioned rapper before their time that influenced them. That's why I said it was a good point made with shitty examples. Melle Mell could've given his props to Macklemlre for the video cameo without down talking other rappers.

I never said EVERY rap CD should shout out to the old school legends, but I can't think of why they don't. I remember 2Pac had a song on Me Against The World where he gave shout outs to the old school. I thought that song was dope at the time. I was in my 20s when that song came out so I knew everybody he was shouting out. People in their adolescent years might not have thought much of that song at the time but people in my generation liked it.

Old School - 2Pac


And if you didn't know, 2Pac sampled this song for his chorus on Old School @ 0:44

Dedication - Brand Nubian

 

[Like Water]

@ O.G.

You said Melle Mel and all the old school cats should pay homage to the 70s musicians that paved the way. Here's a song that he covered in 1984 called Sport from an album called Hustlers Convention which originally came out in 1973. The original artists name was Lightning Rod. He was a member of The Last Poets.

Sport - Lightning Rod (1973)


Hustlers Convention - Grandmaster Melle Mel & The Furious 5 (1984)


Melle Mel recites Hustlers Convention


Herre's an interview where he's speaking on NWA. He says something interesting. He said that the guys on the West Coast were rapping about being pimps, drug dealers, gangbangers and hustlers (which is more or less true) whereas him and his crew didn't rap about that because they didn't live that life.

Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 were 5 rappers and a DJ. Thats what they rapped about; Being rappers. And if you think about it, they were the first professional rappers. They were the first rap group to get paid to rap for a living, so thats what they knew. Nowadays people don't rap about being rappers, they create a character that sells drugs, pimps hoes and kills people and then they rap about that character in the first person.

Melle Mel speaks on NWA

Hasn't Jigga done songs with Biz Markie, Slick Rick, Big Daddy Kane, & Rakim?

Maybe so, but those guys aren't first generation old school. Biz, Skick Rick, Kane and Rakim are second generation. They came out in the mid to late 80s.

I think Melle Mel is talking about the first generation, the guys who were doing it in the late 70s before rap records.

Most of us on this site are in our 20's and 30's and the furthest we go back in hip-hop is the 2nd generation. The first generation didn't influence us like that, so why the fuck do we hafta pay homage?

It's frowned upon to fake shit in the genre, so I'm not gonna act like I know Melle Mel's discography or I'm familiar with his work outside of the prerequisites and the tracks everyone knows.

And what if you do go back and study the genre and just genuinely don't like shit? You still payin homage? Like I said, you should be familiar with the history of your craft and give shout outs to those that came before you that inspired you. That doesn't include recognizing every artist that's ever picked up a mic just because they're older. That's stupid and unrealistic.

All you niggas that are of the same mindset as Mel, mad at the situation, upset at some fabricated slight, I'm a let you in on a secret... This is probably the response of all the rappers Mel got at...

 

[Brother_Five]

paying homage is important... how u do it varies...

putting a pioneer on your wack ass record don't do shit for the culture really...

he sound like he asking for a handout to make up for his failure to establish industry relationships that would have kept his name buzzing...

 

[5 Grand]

paying homage is important... how u do it varies...

putting a pioneer on your wack ass record don't do shit for the culture really...

he sound like he asking for a handout to make up for his failure to establish industry relationships that would have kept his name buzzing...

How about when you're 5-10 albums deep in the game and you haven't acknowledged anybody from the old school in your entire career? I can't think of any examples right now but I'm sure there's rap artists that fit that description.

Plus, I think Hip Hop would be more desirable and/or more sophisticated if producers brought back scratching and sampling. Or breakbeats from the 70s records. Hip Hop has a 40 year tradition and a lot of these new producers and MCs seem to have forgotten where Hip Hop comes from or what Hip Hop really is.

Maybe its the consumers' fault. They support ratchet rap; Rappers who rap about being degenerates, drop outs, drug dealers, pimps, con men, stick-up kids and felons. If the consumers didn't support that kind of rap, maybe it would go away. I remember back in the early 2000s people saying their needs to be a balance between gangsta rap and conscious rap. It seems like conscious rap lost and gangsta rap won. Thats how it seems from my perspective, although maybe there's something I'm missing.

How many rappers can you name that rap about killling people and selling drugs and how many rappers can you name that give shout outs to the old school? See the problem?

 

[Brother_Five]

paying homage is important... how u do it varies...

putting a pioneer on your wack ass record don't do shit for the culture really...

he sound like he asking for a handout to make up for his failure to establish industry relationships that would have kept his name buzzing...

How about when you're 5-10 albums deep in the game and you haven't acknowledged anybody from the old school in your entire career? I can't think of any examples right now but I'm sure there's rap artists that fit that description.

Plus, I think Hip Hop would be more desirable and/or more sophisticated if producers brought back scratching and sampling. Or breakbeats from the 70s records. Hip Hop has a 40 year tradition and a lot of these new producers and MCs seem to have forgotten where Hip Hop comes from or what Hip Hop really is.

Maybe its the consumers' fault. They support ratchet rap; Rappers who rap about being degenerates, drop outs, drug dealers, pimps, con men, stick-up kids and felons. If the consumers didn't support that kind of rap, maybe it would go away. I remember back in the early 2000s people saying their needs to be a balance between gangsta rap and conscious rap. It seems like conscious rap lost and gangsta rap won. Thats how it seems from my perspective, although maybe there's something I'm missing.

How many rappers can you name that rap about killling people and selling drugs and how many rappers can you name that give shout outs to the old school? See the problem?

1. can't really say i give a fuck if an artist has old school cats on their albums. its the artists vision. they are not obligated to collaborate with others.

2. scratching and sampling is alive and well. go look for it.

3. you're missing a lot.

4. you choose what u listen to. not sure what the popularity of gangsta rap and handing out features to Melle Mel have in common.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

bullshit plenty of artists put on older cats . only cuz nobody wanna work with his old ass doesnt mean its not happening.

 

[Listencloser]

"I know for a fact that J. Cole or Kendrick Lamar or Rick Ross or Jay Z or any of these cats, they would not have done it, ever,"

How do you know that. Some of those dudes give props to the pioneers

lol props. How about a pay check.

 

[murdap]

Like joe wilson would say " You Lie"

Jcole>>>>>jay (minus blue print jay) kendrick and melle mel

 

[5 Grand]

paying homage is important... how u do it varies...

putting a pioneer on your wack ass record don't do shit for the culture really...

he sound like he asking for a handout to make up for his failure to establish industry relationships that would have kept his name buzzing...

How about when you're 5-10 albums deep in the game and you haven't acknowledged anybody from the old school in your entire career? I can't think of any examples right now but I'm sure there's rap artists that fit that description.

Plus, I think Hip Hop would be more desirable and/or more sophisticated if producers brought back scratching and sampling. Or breakbeats from the 70s records. Hip Hop has a 40 year tradition and a lot of these new producers and MCs seem to have forgotten where Hip Hop comes from or what Hip Hop really is.

Maybe its the consumers' fault. They support ratchet rap; Rappers who rap about being degenerates, drop outs, drug dealers, pimps, con men, stick-up kids and felons. If the consumers didn't support that kind of rap, maybe it would go away. I remember back in the early 2000s people saying their needs to be a balance between gangsta rap and conscious rap. It seems like conscious rap lost and gangsta rap won. Thats how it seems from my perspective, although maybe there's something I'm missing.

How many rappers can you name that rap about killling people and selling drugs and how many rappers can you name that give shout outs to the old school? See the problem?

1. can't really say i give a fuck if an artist has old school cats on their albums. its the artists vision. they are not obligated to collaborate with others.

2. scratching and sampling is alive and well. go look for it.

3. you're missing a lot.

4. you choose what u listen to. not sure what the popularity of gangsta rap and handing out features to Melle Mel have in common.

Its obvious that you don't care. Thats the problem.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

"First things first rest in peace to uncle phil." - Cole so cole is shouting out legends Melle Mel needs to get the fuck outta here with his bullshit.

 

[Brother_Five]

paying homage is important... how u do it varies...

putting a pioneer on your wack ass record don't do shit for the culture really...

he sound like he asking for a handout to make up for his failure to establish industry relationships that would have kept his name buzzing...

How about when you're 5-10 albums deep in the game and you haven't acknowledged anybody from the old school in your entire career? I can't think of any examples right now but I'm sure there's rap artists that fit that description.

Plus, I think Hip Hop would be more desirable and/or more sophisticated if producers brought back scratching and sampling. Or breakbeats from the 70s records. Hip Hop has a 40 year tradition and a lot of these new producers and MCs seem to have forgotten where Hip Hop comes from or what Hip Hop really is.

Maybe its the consumers' fault. They support ratchet rap; Rappers who rap about being degenerates, drop outs, drug dealers, pimps, con men, stick-up kids and felons. If the consumers didn't support that kind of rap, maybe it would go away. I remember back in the early 2000s people saying their needs to be a balance between gangsta rap and conscious rap. It seems like conscious rap lost and gangsta rap won. Thats how it seems from my perspective, although maybe there's something I'm missing.

How many rappers can you name that rap about killling people and selling drugs and how many rappers can you name that give shout outs to the old school? See the problem?

1. can't really say i give a fuck if an artist has old school cats on their albums. its the artists vision. they are not obligated to collaborate with others.

2. scratching and sampling is alive and well. go look for it.

3. you're missing a lot.

4. you choose what u listen to. not sure what the popularity of gangsta rap and handing out features to Melle Mel have in common.

Its obvious that you don't care. Thats the problem.

I care enough to support the art I like...

 

[5 Grand]

paying homage is important... how u do it varies...

putting a pioneer on your wack ass record don't do shit for the culture really...

he sound like he asking for a handout to make up for his failure to establish industry relationships that would have kept his name buzzing...

How about when you're 5-10 albums deep in the game and you haven't acknowledged anybody from the old school in your entire career? I can't think of any examples right now but I'm sure there's rap artists that fit that description.

Plus, I think Hip Hop would be more desirable and/or more sophisticated if producers brought back scratching and sampling. Or breakbeats from the 70s records. Hip Hop has a 40 year tradition and a lot of these new producers and MCs seem to have forgotten where Hip Hop comes from or what Hip Hop really is.

Maybe its the consumers' fault. They support ratchet rap; Rappers who rap about being degenerates, drop outs, drug dealers, pimps, con men, stick-up kids and felons. If the consumers didn't support that kind of rap, maybe it would go away. I remember back in the early 2000s people saying their needs to be a balance between gangsta rap and conscious rap. It seems like conscious rap lost and gangsta rap won. Thats how it seems from my perspective, although maybe there's something I'm missing.

How many rappers can you name that rap about killling people and selling drugs and how many rappers can you name that give shout outs to the old school? See the problem?

1. can't really say i give a fuck if an artist has old school cats on their albums. its the artists vision. they are not obligated to collaborate with others.

2. scratching and sampling is alive and well. go look for it.

3. you're missing a lot.

4. you choose what u listen to. not sure what the popularity of gangsta rap and handing out features to Melle Mel have in common.

Its obvious that you don't care. Thats the problem.

I care enough to support the art I like...

What are the last 5 rap cds you purchased?

or the last 5 rap shows you've attended?

 

[mchg]

Fucking :bawling: @ this dusty ass, irrelevant ass, struggle deadlocks having, crackhead love child of Busta Rhymes & LL Cool J looking, Fiddy Cent grill having, MC AARP ass nigga havin the nerve 2 disrespect Hova Da Gawd

Don't nobody giv the slightest fuk bout resurrecting ur ancient relic of a career by dickridin yo shitty ass, ABC lyrics spittin self, nor do they owe yo bitch ass a fukn thing jus cuz y'all both rap :bawling:

Ole Spice Girls name havin ass senior citizen actin like Hova Da Gawd ain't done collabs w/ Rakim (whom Hov bodied on Watcher 2 :bawling: ), bring out Big Daddy Kane during the Barclays Center shows in 2012, paid tribute to KRS-1 w/ The Blueprint album name & Slick Rick w/ the album intro, mentioned on his Hot 97 interview w/ Cypha Sounds that he's willing 2 collab w/ any legend if they reached out & the record is dope, & shown nothing but respect 4 the rappers b4 him :bawling:

:bawling: @ this cobweb coochie havin ass bitch havin the nerve 2 say Hov dont respect legends when Hov himself intro'd Grandmaster & em @ their HOF induction:


Stay salty, over the hill fuck niggaz :bawling:

The Dynasty continues, y'all die.........and stop wasting my fukn social security money

 

[Like Water]

paying homage is important... how u do it varies...

putting a pioneer on your wack ass record don't do shit for the culture really...

he sound like he asking for a handout to make up for his failure to establish industry relationships that would have kept his name buzzing...

How about when you're 5-10 albums deep in the game and you haven't acknowledged anybody from the old school in your entire career? I can't think of any examples right now but I'm sure there's rap artists that fit that description.

Plus, I think Hip Hop would be more desirable and/or more sophisticated if producers brought back scratching and sampling. Or breakbeats from the 70s records. Hip Hop has a 40 year tradition and a lot of these new producers and MCs seem to have forgotten where Hip Hop comes from or what Hip Hop really is.

Maybe its the consumers' fault. They support ratchet rap; Rappers who rap about being degenerates, drop outs, drug dealers, pimps, con men, stick-up kids and felons. If the consumers didn't support that kind of rap, maybe it would go away. I remember back in the early 2000s people saying their needs to be a balance between gangsta rap and conscious rap. It seems like conscious rap lost and gangsta rap won. Thats how it seems from my perspective, although maybe there's something I'm missing.

How many rappers can you name that rap about killling people and selling drugs and how many rappers can you name that give shout outs to the old school? See the problem?

1. can't really say i give a fuck if an artist has old school cats on their albums. its the artists vision. they are not obligated to collaborate with others.

2. scratching and sampling is alive and well. go look for it.

3. you're missing a lot.

4. you choose what u listen to. not sure what the popularity of gangsta rap and handing out features to Melle Mel have in common.

Its obvious that you don't care. Thats the problem.

I care enough to support the art I like...

What are the last 5 rap cds you purchased?

or the last 5 rap shows you've attended?

Face - Deeply Rooted

Vince Staples - Summertime 06

Kendrick - TPAB

Joey Bada$$ - B4 Da $$

Lupe - T&Y

Joe Budden

Common

Raekwon

Little Brother

Lupe

What's your point?

 

[O.G.]

Let's call this what this really is. It's a lowkey extortion attempt by Melle Mel.

 

[5 Grand]

paying homage is important... how u do it varies...

putting a pioneer on your wack ass record don't do shit for the culture really...

he sound like he asking for a handout to make up for his failure to establish industry relationships that would have kept his name buzzing...

How about when you're 5-10 albums deep in the game and you haven't acknowledged anybody from the old school in your entire career? I can't think of any examples right now but I'm sure there's rap artists that fit that description.

Plus, I think Hip Hop would be more desirable and/or more sophisticated if producers brought back scratching and sampling. Or breakbeats from the 70s records. Hip Hop has a 40 year tradition and a lot of these new producers and MCs seem to have forgotten where Hip Hop comes from or what Hip Hop really is.

Maybe its the consumers' fault. They support ratchet rap; Rappers who rap about being degenerates, drop outs, drug dealers, pimps, con men, stick-up kids and felons. If the consumers didn't support that kind of rap, maybe it would go away. I remember back in the early 2000s people saying their needs to be a balance between gangsta rap and conscious rap. It seems like conscious rap lost and gangsta rap won. Thats how it seems from my perspective, although maybe there's something I'm missing.

How many rappers can you name that rap about killling people and selling drugs and how many rappers can you name that give shout outs to the old school? See the problem?

1. can't really say i give a fuck if an artist has old school cats on their albums. its the artists vision. they are not obligated to collaborate with others.

2. scratching and sampling is alive and well. go look for it.

3. you're missing a lot.

4. you choose what u listen to. not sure what the popularity of gangsta rap and handing out features to Melle Mel have in common.

Its obvious that you don't care. Thats the problem.

I care enough to support the art I like...

What are the last 5 rap cds you purchased?

or the last 5 rap shows you've attended?

Face - Deeply Rooted

Vince Staples - Summertime 06

Kendrick - TPAB

Joey Bada$$ - B4 Da $$

Lupe - T&Y

Joe Budden

Common

Raekwon

Little Brother

Lupe

What's your point?

No point, just wondering.

 

[texasdaking88]

paying homage is important... how u do it varies...

putting a pioneer on your wack ass record don't do shit for the culture really...

he sound like he asking for a handout to make up for his failure to establish industry relationships that would have kept his name buzzing...

How about when you're 5-10 albums deep in the game and you haven't acknowledged anybody from the old school in your entire career? I can't think of any examples right now but I'm sure there's rap artists that fit that description.

Plus, I think Hip Hop would be more desirable and/or more sophisticated if producers brought back scratching and sampling. Or breakbeats from the 70s records. Hip Hop has a 40 year tradition and a lot of these new producers and MCs seem to have forgotten where Hip Hop comes from or what Hip Hop really is.

Maybe its the consumers' fault. They support ratchet rap; Rappers who rap about being degenerates, drop outs, drug dealers, pimps, con men, stick-up kids and felons. If the consumers didn't support that kind of rap, maybe it would go away. I remember back in the early 2000s people saying their needs to be a balance between gangsta rap and conscious rap. It seems like conscious rap lost and gangsta rap won. Thats how it seems from my perspective, although maybe there's something I'm missing.

How many rappers can you name that rap about killling people and selling drugs and how many rappers can you name that give shout outs to the old school? See the problem?

1. can't really say i give a fuck if an artist has old school cats on their albums. its the artists vision. they are not obligated to collaborate with others.

2. scratching and sampling is alive and well. go look for it.

3. you're missing a lot.

4. you choose what u listen to. not sure what the popularity of gangsta rap and handing out features to Melle Mel have in common.

Its obvious that you don't care. Thats the problem.

I care enough to support the art I like...

What are the last 5 rap cds you purchased?

or the last 5 rap shows you've attended?

Face - Deeply Rooted

Vince Staples - Summertime 06

Kendrick - TPAB

Joey Bada$$ - B4 Da $$

Lupe - T&Y

Joe Budden

Common

Raekwon

Little Brother

Lupe

What's your point?

He never really has a point bruh

 

[I Self Lord & Master]

Too $hort all over these young niggas albums n he been rappin as long as him....short came out in 85 , melle came out in 82, 83?

This aint about no "pioneers" THis about YOU