Built 4 cuban linx
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I'm disappointed in the inactivity of this thread. This should have more replies
king hassan
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Cleveland7venty6;9377819 said:
Man "Check the Rhyme " was all over the place and when "Jazz/ Buggin Out" vid dropped, niggas went crazy, album was already getting major airplay too. But the regular boogie clubs wouldn't play Check the Rhyme but I was on the base and we heard it all the time
king hassan
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Built 4 cuban linx;9382332 said:
I've came to the conclusion a long time ago this is not a hip hop site. Most cats were young when the stuff we listened to came out, this came out 25 years ago, we different generations and Pac is gawd around here, and if it's not gossip it gets no shine
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Built 4 cuban linx
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king hassan;9382417 said:
Man I feel you but I was 2 years old when this album came out. If you a fan of the genre. Age shouldn't be an excuse
king hassan;9382417 said:
Yeah I remember when the DJ used to throw on Scenario and everybody at the party would jump up and down when Busta's verse came on.
The Choice Is Your had the same effect when Dres said, "Injun Injun number nine/ on the New York transit line/ if my train falls off the tracks/ pick it up pick it up pick it up?"
king hassan
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Built 4 cuban linx;9382422 said:
Daps... that's how it was growing up listening to my previous generation, we embraced it
reverend_al
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man Tribe called was my shit.. I only regret not being able to see them in person..
I love all 3 of those cats, Phife and Q just great, Shaheed never got the credit he earned, man he had those good beats, loved the jazz fusion sound
I love all 3 of those cats, Phife and Q just great, Shaheed never got the credit he earned, man he had those good beats, loved the jazz fusion sound
rapmusic;9377392 said:
My favorite song on that album. The song that low-key was the precursor of the Midnight Marauders and everything that particular album inspired. Them fucking chords tho.
Ay, does anyone know the full story behind Jazz? I know Pete Rock said he made the beat, but does anyone know how it got into Tip's hand?
Lab Baby;9384372 said:
"The original material sampled in the song, was provided by Pete Rock and was then recreated exactly the same way by Q-Tip (he is the producer of most of the tracks credited as produced by A Tribe Called Quest).[1] Although Pete Rock is not officially credited, Q-Tip credits him in the outro of the track, rapping "Pete Rock for the beat, ya don't stop."
You were involved with ATCQs Low End Theory...
I did "We Got the Jazz."
What did you do on that?
The whole beat!
You didn't get credit for it.
No. He shouted me out at the end and that was a big discrepancy for me. What happened was, Tip used to come over all the time. One time the "Jazz" beat was already playing in the drum machine. I went to answer the door and left the beat playing. He came downstairs like, "What the **** is that?" I even had the records I sampled still sitting there on the turntables because I'd just made the beat. [Lucky Thompson's] Cook County Jail. He was like, "You making this for CL?" and I said I was just ****ing with it. But he knew what I used and took the same elements, and made it the exact same way. And then at the end of the record he says, "Pete Rock for the beat ya don't stop." I made that ****. That's my ****. I'm taking all my credit back from n*ggas that stole from me.
You had the "Don't Change Your Love" drums in there too?
The way you hear it on the Tribe album is the way I had it. I had a few other little guitar sounds or something going on in there, I wasn't going to use them anyway, but I was going to use the beat. He came down there and heard it and never said, "Hey Pete, come in the studio and lay this down for us." He didn't tell me he was going to use it. Puffy did the same thing to me with "Juicy." I did the original version, didn't get credit for it. They came to my house, heard the beat going on the drum machine, it's the same story. You come downstairs at my crib, you hear music. He heard that **** and the next thing you know it comes out. They had me do a remix, but I tell people, and I will fight it to the end, that I did the original version of that. I'm not mad at anybody, I just want the correct credit. **** that. Y'all can't
just be robbing mu'****as. If you didn't do the work, I'ma expose you. When you have an idea and someone just takes it, that's kind of wack. You must not do much clever thinking. I mean, there ain't much to it, just make the ****in' track. A lot of people have gotten ideas from me, a lot of people have learned from me. And that's all well and good, I love the fact that I can teach somebody. But there's a lot of manipulators out there, they don't do the hard work, and think they can just take somebody's idea.
I did "We Got the Jazz."
What did you do on that?
The whole beat!
You didn't get credit for it.
No. He shouted me out at the end and that was a big discrepancy for me. What happened was, Tip used to come over all the time. One time the "Jazz" beat was already playing in the drum machine. I went to answer the door and left the beat playing. He came downstairs like, "What the **** is that?" I even had the records I sampled still sitting there on the turntables because I'd just made the beat. [Lucky Thompson's] Cook County Jail. He was like, "You making this for CL?" and I said I was just ****ing with it. But he knew what I used and took the same elements, and made it the exact same way. And then at the end of the record he says, "Pete Rock for the beat ya don't stop." I made that ****. That's my ****. I'm taking all my credit back from n*ggas that stole from me.
You had the "Don't Change Your Love" drums in there too?
The way you hear it on the Tribe album is the way I had it. I had a few other little guitar sounds or something going on in there, I wasn't going to use them anyway, but I was going to use the beat. He came down there and heard it and never said, "Hey Pete, come in the studio and lay this down for us." He didn't tell me he was going to use it. Puffy did the same thing to me with "Juicy." I did the original version, didn't get credit for it. They came to my house, heard the beat going on the drum machine, it's the same story. You come downstairs at my crib, you hear music. He heard that **** and the next thing you know it comes out. They had me do a remix, but I tell people, and I will fight it to the end, that I did the original version of that. I'm not mad at anybody, I just want the correct credit. **** that. Y'all can't
just be robbing mu'****as. If you didn't do the work, I'ma expose you. When you have an idea and someone just takes it, that's kind of wack. You must not do much clever thinking. I mean, there ain't much to it, just make the ****in' track. A lot of people have gotten ideas from me, a lot of people have learned from me. And that's all well and good, I love the fact that I can teach somebody. But there's a lot of manipulators out there, they don't do the hard work, and think they can just take somebody's idea.
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aladdin1978
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1988 senior year at Garvey high.....
This or midnight marauders.. Can't figure out which is better overall.
This or midnight marauders.. Can't figure out which is better overall.
MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14
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Cleveland7venty6;9377819 said:
Yeah i am 25 and my youngest uncle is 41 so he was in high school when low end theory dropped and mind you he fucked with hip hop and was a talented woodwind player who played Clarinet and Sax in jazz bands and was about to head off to the Boston Conservatory for music. So tribe at the time was a perfect blend of his love for jazz and hip hop. So Low end was his shit back in the day when it dropped.
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MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14;9384792 said:
Yeah I graduated from High School in 1991. I didn't go directly to college from High School. Instead I worked at the local grocery store and bought a sampler. I tried to build a home studio in my parents basement. A Tribe Called Quest and Gang Starr were my inspiration. They got me into jazz music. I tried to make jazzy sounding beats with some success. The only problem was I was recording the beats on cassette tape because I didn't have a DAT or a computer. After playing the beats for a few weeks the sound quality deteriorated on the cassette tapes. I didn't go digital until 1999.
king hassan
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Lab Baby;9384372 said:
I'm going to get a bunch of flags and no signs but let me try to explain something to you guys;
Before the internet there was a series of records for DJs/producers called Ultimate Breaks and Beats. It was a 25 volume set and was originally released on vinyl format for Hip Hop DJs. The purpose of the compilation was for DJs to juggle the records back and forth while the MCs rapped but Hip Hop producers began sampling the breaks in rap records.
The first Ultimate Breaks and Beats Volume was released in 1986 and Volume 25 was released in 1991
https://medium.com/cuepoint/ultimate-breaks-beats-an-oral-history-74937f932026#.w2yn0xjdw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Breaks_and_Beats
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/9900-ultimate-breaks-beats-the-complete-collection/
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Some classic Hip Hop records contain samples from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series such as;
I Know You Got Soul - Eric B and Rakim
Rebel Without A Pause - Public Enemy
Fuck The Police - NWA
It Takes Two - Rob Base
My Philosophy - Boogie Down Productions
From 1986-1991 Hip Hop producers could sample whatever they wanted without clearing the sample with the original copyright holder or the publishing company. Rap was under the radar and lawsuits were settled out of court (this would all change with the Gilbert O'Sulivan vs Biz Markie lawsuit).
So the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series enabled producers to find drum breaks and samples without having to "dig in the crates' . You could just go to your local retail store and buy the latest copy of Ultimate Breaks and Beats to find drum samples or even entire samples to rap over (basslines, horns, etc).
By around 1991, to those of us in the know, we could immediately recognize a drum break and recall who sampled it. You could tell which producers really dug in the crates and who sampled from break beat records. I remember buying a record by a rapper named Def Jeff and every beat on the album was all breakbeats from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series.
In fact, there are several Hip Hop albums that rely heavily on the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series, Criminal Minded, Critical Beatdown, Straight Outta Compton, Amerikka's Most Wanted, Niggaz4life to name a few. If you dissect those albums you'll find that a lot of the drum breaks and samples come from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series.
All that is to say that A Low End Theory and later Midnight Marauders didn't contain ANY samples from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series. ATCQ really dug in the crates (also Gang Starr). They must have gone to thrift stores, used record stores, garage sales or wherever because none of the beats/samples on Low End Theory had been used before, which was a big deal to those of us that kept track of that sort of thing. You know how sometimes you hear a song and in the back of you're mind you're thinking 'so-and-so rapped over that beat'? Well when Low End Theory came out the reason that the album was so refreshing was that the beats were dope as hell and we didn't recognize any of the samples. We call ourselves beat junkies. We look for the original records that Hip Hop producers sample. Its kinda like a sport or a hobby, but when the internet came out that hobby lost its purpose.
Last but not least, this brings me to The Chronic. People who aren't in the know, or don't care, assert that The Chronic is a GOAT album (the reason I'm comparing the two is because they came out in close proximity to each other and are both considered 5 mic classics). The Chronic sounds good sonically but it came out a full year after Low End Theory and is riddled with drum beats from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series. There's a handful of drum breaks and samples that we immediately recognized when The Chronic came out. Its still a solid album but I wouldn't rank it on the level of Low End Theory for that reason.
Other albums that came out around the same time as Low End Theory;
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
A Sheep In Wolf's Clothing - Black Sheep
One For All - Brand Nubian
In God We Trust - Brand Nubian
Death Certificate - Ice Cube
2Pacalypse Now - 2PAC
Naughty By Nature - Naughty By Nature
Niggaz4life - NWA
De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul
^^^ Low End Theory is better than all of them for the reason I explained.
Before the internet there was a series of records for DJs/producers called Ultimate Breaks and Beats. It was a 25 volume set and was originally released on vinyl format for Hip Hop DJs. The purpose of the compilation was for DJs to juggle the records back and forth while the MCs rapped but Hip Hop producers began sampling the breaks in rap records.
The first Ultimate Breaks and Beats Volume was released in 1986 and Volume 25 was released in 1991
https://medium.com/cuepoint/ultimate-breaks-beats-an-oral-history-74937f932026#.w2yn0xjdw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Breaks_and_Beats
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/9900-ultimate-breaks-beats-the-complete-collection/
Some classic Hip Hop records contain samples from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series such as;
I Know You Got Soul - Eric B and Rakim
Rebel Without A Pause - Public Enemy
Fuck The Police - NWA
It Takes Two - Rob Base
My Philosophy - Boogie Down Productions
From 1986-1991 Hip Hop producers could sample whatever they wanted without clearing the sample with the original copyright holder or the publishing company. Rap was under the radar and lawsuits were settled out of court (this would all change with the Gilbert O'Sulivan vs Biz Markie lawsuit).
So the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series enabled producers to find drum breaks and samples without having to "dig in the crates' . You could just go to your local retail store and buy the latest copy of Ultimate Breaks and Beats to find drum samples or even entire samples to rap over (basslines, horns, etc).
By around 1991, to those of us in the know, we could immediately recognize a drum break and recall who sampled it. You could tell which producers really dug in the crates and who sampled from break beat records. I remember buying a record by a rapper named Def Jeff and every beat on the album was all breakbeats from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series.
In fact, there are several Hip Hop albums that rely heavily on the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series, Criminal Minded, Critical Beatdown, Straight Outta Compton, Amerikka's Most Wanted, Niggaz4life to name a few. If you dissect those albums you'll find that a lot of the drum breaks and samples come from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series.
All that is to say that A Low End Theory and later Midnight Marauders didn't contain ANY samples from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series. ATCQ really dug in the crates (also Gang Starr). They must have gone to thrift stores, used record stores, garage sales or wherever because none of the beats/samples on Low End Theory had been used before, which was a big deal to those of us that kept track of that sort of thing. You know how sometimes you hear a song and in the back of you're mind you're thinking 'so-and-so rapped over that beat'? Well when Low End Theory came out the reason that the album was so refreshing was that the beats were dope as hell and we didn't recognize any of the samples. We call ourselves beat junkies. We look for the original records that Hip Hop producers sample. Its kinda like a sport or a hobby, but when the internet came out that hobby lost its purpose.
Last but not least, this brings me to The Chronic. People who aren't in the know, or don't care, assert that The Chronic is a GOAT album (the reason I'm comparing the two is because they came out in close proximity to each other and are both considered 5 mic classics). The Chronic sounds good sonically but it came out a full year after Low End Theory and is riddled with drum beats from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series. There's a handful of drum breaks and samples that we immediately recognized when The Chronic came out. Its still a solid album but I wouldn't rank it on the level of Low End Theory for that reason.
Other albums that came out around the same time as Low End Theory;
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
A Sheep In Wolf's Clothing - Black Sheep
One For All - Brand Nubian
In God We Trust - Brand Nubian
Death Certificate - Ice Cube
2Pacalypse Now - 2PAC
Naughty By Nature - Naughty By Nature
Niggaz4life - NWA
De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul
^^^ Low End Theory is better than all of them for the reason I explained.
5 Grand;9384994 said:I'm going to get a bunch of flags and no signs but let me try to explain something to you guys;
Before the internet there was a series of records for DJs/producers called Ultimate Breaks and Beats. It was a 25 volume set and was originally released on vinyl format for Hip Hop DJs. The purpose of the compilation was for DJs to juggle the records back and forth while the MCs rapped but Hip Hop producers began sampling the breaks in rap records.
The first Ultimate Breaks and Beats Volume was released in 1986 and Volume 25 was released in 1991
https://medium.com/cuepoint/ultimate-breaks-beats-an-oral-history-74937f932026#.w2yn0xjdw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Breaks_and_Beats
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/9900-ultimate-breaks-beats-the-complete-collection/
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Some classic Hip Hop records contain samples from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series such as;
I Know You Got Soul - Eric B and Rakim
Rebel Without A Pause - Public Enemy
Fuck The Police - NWA
It Takes Two - Rob Base
My Philosophy - Boogie Down Productions
From 1986-1991 Hip Hop producers could sample whatever they wanted without clearing the sample with the original copyright holder or the publishing company. Rap was under the radar and lawsuits were settled out of court (this would all change with the Gilbert O'Sulivan vs Biz Markie lawsuit).
So the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series enabled producers to find drum breaks and samples without having to "dig in the crates' . You could just go to your local retail store and buy the latest copy of Ultimate Breaks and Beats to find drum samples or even entire samples to rap over (basslines, horns, etc).
By around 1991, to those of us in the know, we could immediately recognize a drum break and recall who sampled it. You could tell which producers really dug in the crates and who sampled from break beat records. I remember buying a record by a rapper named Def Jeff and every beat on the album was all breakbeats from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series.
In fact, there are several Hip Hop albums that rely heavily on the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series, Criminal Minded, Critical Beatdown, Straight Outta Compton, Amerikka's Most Wanted, Niggaz4life to name a few. If you dissect those albums you'll find that a lot of the drum breaks and samples come from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series.
All that is to say that A Low End Theory and later Midnight Marauders didn't contain ANY samples from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series. ATCQ really dug in the crates (also Gang Starr). They must have gone to thrift stores, used record stores, garage sales or wherever because none of the beats/samples on Low End Theory had been used before, which was a big deal to those of us that kept track of that sort of thing. You know how sometimes you hear a song and in the back of you're mind you're thinking 'so-and-so rapped over that beat'? Well when Low End Theory came out the reason that the album was so refreshing was that the beats were dope as hell and we didn't recognize any of the samples. We call ourselves beat junkies. We look for the original records that Hip Hop producers sample. Its kinda like a sport or a hobby, but when the internet came out that hobby lost its purpose.
Last but not least, this brings me to The Chronic. People who aren't in the know, or don't care, assert that The Chronic is a GOAT album (the reason I'm comparing the two is because they came out in close proximity to each other and are both considered 5 mic classics). The Chronic sounds good sonically but it came out a full year after Low End Theory and is riddled with drum beats from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series. There's a handful of drum breaks and samples that we immediately recognized when The Chronic came out. Its still a solid album but I wouldn't rank it on the level of Low End Theory for that reason.
Other albums that came out around the same time as Low End Theory;
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
A Sheep In Wolf's Clothing - Black Sheep
One For All - Brand Nubian
In God We Trust - Brand Nubian
Death Certificate - Ice Cube
2Pacalypse Now - 2PAC
Naughty By Nature - Naughty By Nature
Niggaz4life - NWA
De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul
^^^ Low End Theory is better than all of them for the reason I explained.
Anyone who flags this needs to get banned. UBB was a staple on hip hop, but it spoiled niggas. I swear if I hear Synthetic Substitution one more time I'm gonna fuckin lose it. I always felt like Tip was the best digger out of all the producers. Them Tribe albums had sounds that only made sense in a hip hop spectrum after they used them. Come to think about it, I don't I ever heard him use anything from UBB, even after Tribe.
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king hassan
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Lab Baby;9385056 said:5 Grand;9384994 said:I'm going to get a bunch of flags and no signs but let me try to explain something to you guys;
Before the internet there was a series of records for DJs/producers called Ultimate Breaks and Beats. It was a 25 volume set and was originally released on vinyl format for Hip Hop DJs. The purpose of the compilation was for DJs to juggle the records back and forth while the MCs rapped but Hip Hop producers began sampling the breaks in rap records.
The first Ultimate Breaks and Beats Volume was released in 1986 and Volume 25 was released in 1991
https://medium.com/cuepoint/ultimate-breaks-beats-an-oral-history-74937f932026#.w2yn0xjdw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Breaks_and_Beats
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/9900-ultimate-breaks-beats-the-complete-collection/
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Some classic Hip Hop records contain samples from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series such as;
I Know You Got Soul - Eric B and Rakim
Rebel Without A Pause - Public Enemy
Fuck The Police - NWA
It Takes Two - Rob Base
My Philosophy - Boogie Down Productions
From 1986-1991 Hip Hop producers could sample whatever they wanted without clearing the sample with the original copyright holder or the publishing company. Rap was under the radar and lawsuits were settled out of court (this would all change with the Gilbert O'Sulivan vs Biz Markie lawsuit).
So the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series enabled producers to find drum breaks and samples without having to "dig in the crates' . You could just go to your local retail store and buy the latest copy of Ultimate Breaks and Beats to find drum samples or even entire samples to rap over (basslines, horns, etc).
By around 1991, to those of us in the know, we could immediately recognize a drum break and recall who sampled it. You could tell which producers really dug in the crates and who sampled from break beat records. I remember buying a record by a rapper named Def Jeff and every beat on the album was all breakbeats from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series.
In fact, there are several Hip Hop albums that rely heavily on the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series, Criminal Minded, Critical Beatdown, Straight Outta Compton, Amerikka's Most Wanted, Niggaz4life to name a few. If you dissect those albums you'll find that a lot of the drum breaks and samples come from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series.
All that is to say that A Low End Theory and later Midnight Marauders didn't contain ANY samples from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series. ATCQ really dug in the crates (also Gang Starr). They must have gone to thrift stores, used record stores, garage sales or wherever because none of the beats/samples on Low End Theory had been used before, which was a big deal to those of us that kept track of that sort of thing. You know how sometimes you hear a song and in the back of you're mind you're thinking 'so-and-so rapped over that beat'? Well when Low End Theory came out the reason that the album was so refreshing was that the beats were dope as hell and we didn't recognize any of the samples. We call ourselves beat junkies. We look for the original records that Hip Hop producers sample. Its kinda like a sport or a hobby, but when the internet came out that hobby lost its purpose.
Last but not least, this brings me to The Chronic. People who aren't in the know, or don't care, assert that The Chronic is a GOAT album (the reason I'm comparing the two is because they came out in close proximity to each other and are both considered 5 mic classics). The Chronic sounds good sonically but it came out a full year after Low End Theory and is riddled with drum beats from the Ultimate Breaks and Beats series. There's a handful of drum breaks and samples that we immediately recognized when The Chronic came out. Its still a solid album but I wouldn't rank it on the level of Low End Theory for that reason.
Other albums that came out around the same time as Low End Theory;
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
A Sheep In Wolf's Clothing - Black Sheep
One For All - Brand Nubian
In God We Trust - Brand Nubian
Death Certificate - Ice Cube
2Pacalypse Now - 2PAC
Naughty By Nature - Naughty By Nature
Niggaz4life - NWA
De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul
^^^ Low End Theory is better than all of them for the reason I explained.
Anyone who flags this needs to get banned. UBB was a staple on hip hop, but it spoiled niggas. I swear if I hear Synthetic Substitution one more time I'm gonna fuckin lose it. I always felt like Tip was the best digger out of all the producers. Them Tribe albums had sounds that only made sense in a hip hop spectrum after they used them. Come to think about it, I don't I ever heard him use anything from UBB, even after Tribe.
True diggers did'n need UBB
