Melle Mel Calls Out Jay Z, Kendrick Lamar & J. Cole For Not Connecting To Hip Hop History

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

Its unbelievable that somebody would go on a Hip Hop message board and diss Melle Mel.

If it wasn't for Melle Mel this messagebord wouldn't be here.

you have to seperate art from comments. shit even nas has some shitty questionable comments interviews. should we not react to that honestly or just let it slide cause he is a legend.

nobody is questioning his impact or any of these ole niggas who feel some type of way. however they are questioning current actions right now that make him seem like he is whinning like a bitch.

 

[SheerExcellence]

Macklemore is doing what he does best. He panders to certain groups and find some way to sneak dis hiphop culture. That pandering to the old school heads is just his way off taking eyes off him from the blatant robbery of Kendrick Lamar.

Not a Macklemore fan, but how is giving props to the creators a sneak diss? You're reaching.

He is using Melle Mel to divert from the fact of what happened to Kendrick and a lot of hiphop fans felt he won the Grammy because he is white. It's a diversion tactic imo. Same way he tried to save face by kissing K Dots ass after the Grammy's.

You reading into it a lot to get that interpretation.

And as for the kdot thing, I don't think he made that text public.

 

[blackrain]

Its unbelievable that somebody would go on a Hip Hop message board and diss Melle Mel.

If it wasn't for Melle Mel this messagebord wouldn't be here.

I'm all for respecting legends of the genre. I've made plenty posts about how disgusting it is that hip hop is the only culture we tell our originators and legends to go away because "you're 30 and nobody wants to hear an old rapper"...but this shit here sounds more like some why don't niggas give me hand outs. Melle Mel ain't make a general comment he named specific names of artists whose music whose music is resonating with people the most right now and gave props to one who many see as a culture vulture. It was a good point made with shitty examples

 

[SheerExcellence]

Its unbelievable that somebody would go on a Hip Hop message board and diss Melle Mel.

If it wasn't for Melle Mel this messagebord wouldn't be here.

I'm all for respecting legends of the genre. I've made plenty posts about how disgusting it is that hip hop is the only culture we tell our originators and legends to go away because "you're 30 and nobody wants to hear an old rapper"...but this shit here sounds more like some why don't niggas give me hand outs. Melle Mel ain't make a general comment he named specific names of artists whose music whose music is resonating with people the most right now and gave props to one who many see as a culture vulture. It was a good point made with shitty examples

This is epitome of taking things out of context

He was asked about messing with the white boy, specifically claims of being "used" or a "prop." Now looking at it from his perspective he is saying

1) big daddy kane brought idea to me, and i spoke with the white boy for two hours and thought he authentic

2) he showing love, and its not like any other person approaches me, so dont give white boy shit because these dudes (names some ppl) aint asking me to be on a song

It would bee like if I can't get no black girls, but white girls show me love...then when I date a white girl, ppl ask me "this white girl using you for your dick", even if that may be true its not like I have black girls knocking down my door, so when I finally get some pussy, dont be coming over here hating.

 

[harry knucklez]

Macklemore is doing what he does best. He panders to certain groups and find some way to sneak dis hiphop culture. That pandering to the old school heads is just his way off taking eyes off him from the blatant robbery of Kendrick Lamar.

Not a Macklemore fan, but how is giving props to the creators a sneak diss? You're reaching.

He is using Melle Mel to divert from the fact of what happened to Kendrick and a lot of hiphop fans felt he won the Grammy because he is white. It's a diversion tactic imo. Same way he tried to save face by kissing K Dots ass after the Grammy's.

To me, it seems like Macklemore's taking a shot at Lord Jamar who said he was "a guest in hip hop". He went and got three hip hop legends from the golden age to support him.

 

[MR.CJ]

This ross song with kool g rap is dope

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

Melle Mel is a legend and a pioneer without a doubt but dude comes off as mad bitter in everything he says. Kool Moe Dee as well.

I can't ever recall him saying anything positive other than when its about himself. People pay homage differently but you also have to look at it as a generational thing. A J Cole or a Kendrick might not look up to those guys like Nas or Jay would look up to Rakim or Kane.

A wide receiver coming up more than likely isnt going to be looking up to Jerry Rice the same way he would a Megatron but it doesnt mean he doesn't respect him.

 

[5 Grand]

Its unbelievable that somebody would go on a Hip Hop message board and diss Melle Mel.

If it wasn't for Melle Mel this messagebord wouldn't be here.

I'm all for respecting legends of the genre. I've made plenty posts about how disgusting it is that hip hop is the only culture we tell our originators and legends to go away because "you're 30 and nobody wants to hear an old rapper"...but this shit here sounds more like some why don't niggas give me hand outs. Melle Mel ain't make a general comment he named specific names of artists whose music whose music is resonating with people the most right now and gave props to one who many see as a culture vulture. It was a good point made with shitty examples

Yeah but the people he named didn't reach out to him. They don't even mention his name when they give shout outs.

Think about it, if your a rapper and your cd is 60 minutes long, why wouldn't you give a shout out to Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc?

The only reason I can think of is that they don't know anything about the old school. It was so far before their time they weren't even born. Their parents hadn't even met yet.

Having said that, DJ AJ died this morning (September 9, 2015). He was Kurtis Blow's DJ.

RIP DJ AJ

I used to kill this song when I was in 6th grade.

AJ Scratch - Kurtis Blow

 

[SheerExcellence]

^^^^^^

Damn rip

How he die

 

[5 Grand]

^^^^^^

Damn rip

How he die

He had been in hospice care for the last couple of months, (terminal cancer) so it was expected.

 

[iron man1]

Cole doesn't even get artist support like that him self all the success with his last album was between him and his fans. Kendrick always shows love to the West Coast legends smh.

 

[O.G.]

Think about it, if your a rapper and your cd is 60 minutes long, why wouldn't you give a shout out to Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc?

So by your logic, shouldn't Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc have gave shout outs to James Brown and all the other artist they sampled? Bcuz if we gonna talk about laying a foundation for hip hop we gonna have to take it all the way back to the break beats. Without their music where would the pioneers of rap be?

 

[5 Grand]

Think about it, if your a rapper and your cd is 60 minutes long, why wouldn't you give a shout out to Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc?

So by your logic, shouldn't Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc have gave shout outs to James Brown and all the other artist they sampled? Bcuz if we gonna talk about laying a foundation for hip hop we gonna have to take it all the way back to the break beats. Without their music where would the pioneers of rap be?

You're right

 

[Like Water]

Think about it, if your a rapper and your cd is 60 minutes long, why wouldn't you give a shout out to Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc?

So by your logic, shouldn't Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc have gave shout outs to James Brown and all the other artist they sampled? Bcuz if we gonna talk about laying a foundation for hip hop we gonna have to take it all the way back to the break beats. Without their music where would the pioneers of rap be?

There you go being logical again. You know that type of common sense and rns is shunned here. You tell people to look beyond their own nose and they get offended.

I'd love to know if the artists that were sampled back during hip-hop's inception felt like they got the recognition they deserved.

This whole "do as I say, not as I do" bullshit is for the birds.

 

[hiphop12345]

Think about it, if your a rapper and your cd is 60 minutes long, why wouldn't you give a shout out to Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc?

So by your logic, shouldn't Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc have gave shout outs to James Brown and all the other artist they sampled? Bcuz if we gonna talk about laying a foundation for hip hop we gonna have to take it all the way back to the break beats. Without their music where would the pioneers of rap be?

When you say James Brown you mostly mean Clyde Stubblefield right?

 

[O.G.]

Think about it, if your a rapper and your cd is 60 minutes long, why wouldn't you give a shout out to Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc?

So by your logic, shouldn't Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc have gave shout outs to James Brown and all the other artist they sampled? Bcuz if we gonna talk about laying a foundation for hip hop we gonna have to take it all the way back to the break beats. Without their music where would the pioneers of rap be?

When you say James Brown you mostly mean Clyde Stubblefield right?

Either one will do. It was Brown's records where Clyde put in work. So yeah both should get credit.

 

[5 Grand]

@ O.G.

You said Melle Mel and all the old school cats should pay homage to the 70s musicians that paved the way. Here's a song that he covered in 1984 called Sport from an album called Hustlers Convention which originally came out in 1973. The original artists name was Lightning Rod. He was a member of The Last Poets.

Sport - Lightning Rod (1973)


Hustlers Convention - Grandmaster Melle Mel & The Furious 5 (1984)


Melle Mel recites Hustlers Convention


Herre's an interview where he's speaking on NWA. He says something interesting. He said that the guys on the West Coast were rapping about being pimps, drug dealers, gangbangers and hustlers (which is more or less true) whereas him and his crew didn't rap about that because they didn't live that life.

Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 were 5 rappers and a DJ. Thats what they rapped about; Being rappers. And if you think about it, they were the first professional rappers. They were the first rap group to get paid to rap for a living, so thats what they knew. Nowadays people don't rap about being rappers, they create a character that sells drugs, pimps hoes and kills people and then they rap about that character in the first person.

Melle Mel speaks on NWA

 

[JokerzWyld]

Hasn't Jigga done songs with Biz Markie, Slick Rick, Big Daddy Kane, & Rakim?

 

[5 Grand]

Hasn't Jigga done songs with Biz Markie, Slick Rick, Big Daddy Kane, & Rakim?

Maybe so, but those guys aren't first generation old school. Biz, Skick Rick, Kane and Rakim are second generation. They came out in the mid to late 80s.

I think Melle Mel is talking about the first generation, the guys who were doing it in the late 70s before rap records.

 

[blackrain]

Its unbelievable that somebody would go on a Hip Hop message board and diss Melle Mel.

If it wasn't for Melle Mel this messagebord wouldn't be here.

I'm all for respecting legends of the genre. I've made plenty posts about how disgusting it is that hip hop is the only culture we tell our originators and legends to go away because "you're 30 and nobody wants to hear an old rapper"...but this shit here sounds more like some why don't niggas give me hand outs. Melle Mel ain't make a general comment he named specific names of artists whose music whose music is resonating with people the most right now and gave props to one who many see as a culture vulture. It was a good point made with shitty examples

Yeah but the people he named didn't reach out to him. They don't even mention his name when they give shout outs.

Think about it, if your a rapper and your cd is 60 minutes long, why wouldn't you give a shout out to Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Bambaatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Cold Crush, Treacherous Three, etc?

The only reason I can think of is that they don't know anything about the old school. It was so far before their time they weren't even born. Their parents hadn't even met yet.

Having said that, DJ AJ died this morning (September 9, 2015). He was Kurtis Blow's DJ.

RIP DJ AJ

I used to kill this song when I was in 6th grade.

AJ Scratch - Kurtis Blow

So every rap CD needs a shout out to some old school legend? That's fucking ridiculous. That's also what makes this a bad example because the artist mentioned do and have mentioned rapper before their time that influenced them. That's why I said it was a good point made with shitty examples. Melle Mell could've given his props to Macklemlre for the video cameo without down talking other rappers.