Malcolm X vs James Baldwin (debate from 1963)

[R.D.]

Hold me

 

[leftcoastkev]

Thread has already been derailed by them gay accusations so I may as well drop more verbal abuse by Dick Gregory...

 

[CapitalB]

Dick Gregory gon beat the shit out u niggas

That old man will snap and have you looking stupid if you don't know what you talking about. I always figured talk about X being gay was just some shit to slander his name, though.

HM!!?

What does a HM stand for?

when OG goes off he always make that "HM!!?" sound hahahaha

im surprised nobody caught that. hahaha

Dick Gregory is by far the realest nigga iv ever had the pleasure to listen to.. he's mu fuckin hero.. but when he goes off and then hit them wit the "HM!!?" i falls the fuck out..

thats when u know he mad. lol

 

[Swiffness!]

If Malcolm x had gay sex that shit would have been made well known and popularized while he was alive because white america and the government in general hated that nigga more than MLK and all the rest

the government clearly saw MLK Jr. as the bigger threat. When MLK had a communist in his inner circle there were White House meetings about it. J Edgar Hoover never mailed Malcolm X threatening blackmail letters demanding that he kill himself. If anything, a radical militant is the perfect boogeyman for an oppressor class.

Whatever nigga , they hated his ass and he was a public figure with a shady past most likely if anything as scandalous as gay sex was in his background the powers that be would have exposed it.

lol i actually was gonna say that i agree with you about the "this is too scandalous to be kept quiet" perspective.......if nothing else Elijah woulda gotten wind of it somehow imho and there's no WAY he'd let it lie after Malcolm started putting his dirt out there, right? i just felt the need to defend MLK, i don't like when people downplay exactly how hated he was. My dad said when he came to Philly white folks was out they fuckin mind for days, protesting with big signs on flatbed trucks saying we can't let that nigger come here. Reagan didn't wanna sign that bill for a reason.

Ta-Nehisi Coates called bullshit on Marable's claim, good enough for me.

 

[Asantewa]

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw shade on Malcolm X's legacy.

But he was a complex man and several people have both stated in interviews and wrote in books that he was a gigalo for money with men and women in his Malcolm Little years before prison...

You can't call out James Baldwin on this without also calling out Malcolm X on the same thing.

Why are you spreading these lies???

Why are you so ignorant? @whoseworldisthis isn't lying their have been various historians who have came out and stated Malcom had previous homosexual affairs. You people act like homosexuality is a new world phenomena. 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality.

The only people still slept are y'all thinking a black faggot can lead you anywhere, but in the same trap he's already been caught in.

I hope you are aware that research have proven that homosexual men have higher IQs than heterosexual men; go read some peer reviewed journals. I hope you are also aware that homosexual men typically make more money than heterosexual men.

 

[zzombie]

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw shade on Malcolm X's legacy.

But he was a complex man and several people have both stated in interviews and wrote in books that he was a gigalo for money with men and women in his Malcolm Little years before prison...

You can't call out James Baldwin on this without also calling out Malcolm X on the same thing.

Why are you spreading these lies???

Why are you so ignorant? @whoseworldisthis isn't lying their have been various historians who have came out and stated Malcom had previous homosexual affairs. You people act like homosexuality is a new world phenomena. 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality.

The only people still slept are y'all thinking a black faggot can lead you anywhere, but in the same trap he's already been caught in.

I hope you are aware that research have proven that homosexual men have higher IQs than heterosexual men; go read some peer reviewed journals. I hope you are also aware that homosexual men typically make more money than heterosexual men.

Not everything written by historians has validity the "proof" behind these rumors has always been shady. We don't care how much money faggots make and we don't care about the Europeans bullshit I.q test. With the way this society is set up intelligence is less important in affecting how successful an individual is

 

[whoseworldisthis]

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw shade on Malcolm X's legacy.

But he was a complex man and several people have both stated in interviews and wrote in books that he was a gigalo for money with men and women in his Malcolm Little years before prison...

You can't call out James Baldwin on this without also calling out Malcolm X on the same thing.

Why are you spreading these lies???[

Yeah, I just decided to make this stuff up. C'mon man, there is no benefit to me lying about this...

I've read almost every biography about Malcolm X and these rumors from his "Detroit Red"/ street hustling days keep coming up.

You can accept it or not... believe or not...

I didn't want to believe it either but it is what it is.

If James Baldwin didn't say he was a homosexual himself and instead it was just a rumor... would you deny that too?

The only reason I said anything about Malcolm X's sexuality is because a few people in here were so quick to dismiss the lifelong work of James Baldwin based on the fact dude was gay.

I just like historical accuracy even if it I don't agree with it.

So in other words you are spreading lies/gossip just like a woman.

Or I'm paraphrasing part of "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention" which won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for History by this man:

With all due respect fuck him and fuck you. I am not impressed by awards especially when they are given for some bullshit book that contains no concrete evidence and proves nothing.

so we can't have discussions about historical figures because you get upset when the narrative doesn't fit your agenda?

JFK was a known philanderer who was tagging every woman in sight and possibly giving up presidential secrets to some of those women during his after sex bedside chats but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good president who did a lot of great things for America

But, by your rationale, we can't discuss any of that stuff about JFK

Fuck outta here...grow up, man... sometimes your heroes did dirt... not everything is a conspiracy

 

[zzombie]

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw shade on Malcolm X's legacy.

But he was a complex man and several people have both stated in interviews and wrote in books that he was a gigalo for money with men and women in his Malcolm Little years before prison...

You can't call out James Baldwin on this without also calling out Malcolm X on the same thing.

Why are you spreading these lies???[

Yeah, I just decided to make this stuff up. C'mon man, there is no benefit to me lying about this...

I've read almost every biography about Malcolm X and these rumors from his "Detroit Red"/ street hustling days keep coming up.

You can accept it or not... believe or not...

I didn't want to believe it either but it is what it is.

If James Baldwin didn't say he was a homosexual himself and instead it was just a rumor... would you deny that too?

The only reason I said anything about Malcolm X's sexuality is because a few people in here were so quick to dismiss the lifelong work of James Baldwin based on the fact dude was gay.

I just like historical accuracy even if it I don't agree with it.

So in other words you are spreading lies/gossip just like a woman.

Or I'm paraphrasing part of "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention" which won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for History by this man:

With all due respect fuck him and fuck you. I am not impressed by awards especially when they are given for some bullshit book that contains no concrete evidence and proves nothing.

so we can't have discussions about historical figures because you get upset when the narrative doesn't fit your agenda?

JFK was a known philanderer who was tagging every woman in sight and possibly giving up presidential secrets to some of those women during his after sex bedside chats but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good president who did a lot of great things for America

But, by your rationale, we can't discuss any of that stuff about JFK

Fuck outta here...grow up, man... sometimes your heroes did dirt... not everything is a conspiracy

The difference is that there is real proof JFK was a playboy. There is none that proves Malcolm x ever fucked men.

You are naive as fuck if you believe everything written in a book about somebody decades after they die.

 

[zzombie]

I can just imagine the kind of fuckery people are going to write about Obama decades after he dies.they write fuckery about him now shit will just tun up when he dies

 

[CapitalB]

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw shade on Malcolm X's legacy.

But he was a complex man and several people have both stated in interviews and wrote in books that he was a gigalo for money with men and women in his Malcolm Little years before prison...

You can't call out James Baldwin on this without also calling out Malcolm X on the same thing.

Why are you spreading these lies???[

Yeah, I just decided to make this stuff up. C'mon man, there is no benefit to me lying about this...

I've read almost every biography about Malcolm X and these rumors from his "Detroit Red"/ street hustling days keep coming up.

You can accept it or not... believe or not...

I didn't want to believe it either but it is what it is.

If James Baldwin didn't say he was a homosexual himself and instead it was just a rumor... would you deny that too?

The only reason I said anything about Malcolm X's sexuality is because a few people in here were so quick to dismiss the lifelong work of James Baldwin based on the fact dude was gay.

I just like historical accuracy even if it I don't agree with it.

So in other words you are spreading lies/gossip just like a woman.

Or I'm paraphrasing part of "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention" which won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for History by this man:

With all due respect fuck him and fuck you. I am not impressed by awards especially when they are given for some bullshit book that contains no concrete evidence and proves nothing.

so we can't have discussions about historical figures because you get upset when the narrative doesn't fit your agenda?

JFK was a known philanderer who was tagging every woman in sight and possibly giving up presidential secrets to some of those women during his after sex bedside chats but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good president who did a lot of great things for America

But, by your rationale, we can't discuss any of that stuff about JFK

Fuck outta here...grow up, man... sometimes your heroes did dirt... not everything is a conspiracy

The difference is that there is real proof JFK was a playboy. There is none that proves Malcolm x ever fucked men.

You are naive as fuck if you believe everything written in a book about somebody decades after they die.

the new testament??!

 

[zzombie]

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw shade on Malcolm X's legacy.

But he was a complex man and several people have both stated in interviews and wrote in books that he was a gigalo for money with men and women in his Malcolm Little years before prison...

You can't call out James Baldwin on this without also calling out Malcolm X on the same thing.

Why are you spreading these lies???[

Yeah, I just decided to make this stuff up. C'mon man, there is no benefit to me lying about this...

I've read almost every biography about Malcolm X and these rumors from his "Detroit Red"/ street hustling days keep coming up.

You can accept it or not... believe or not...

I didn't want to believe it either but it is what it is.

If James Baldwin didn't say he was a homosexual himself and instead it was just a rumor... would you deny that too?

The only reason I said anything about Malcolm X's sexuality is because a few people in here were so quick to dismiss the lifelong work of James Baldwin based on the fact dude was gay.

I just like historical accuracy even if it I don't agree with it.

So in other words you are spreading lies/gossip just like a woman.

Or I'm paraphrasing part of "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention" which won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for History by this man:

With all due respect fuck him and fuck you. I am not impressed by awards especially when they are given for some bullshit book that contains no concrete evidence and proves nothing.

so we can't have discussions about historical figures because you get upset when the narrative doesn't fit your agenda?

JFK was a known philanderer who was tagging every woman in sight and possibly giving up presidential secrets to some of those women during his after sex bedside chats but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good president who did a lot of great things for America

But, by your rationale, we can't discuss any of that stuff about JFK

Fuck outta here...grow up, man... sometimes your heroes did dirt... not everything is a conspiracy

The difference is that there is real proof JFK was a playboy. There is none that proves Malcolm x ever fucked men.

You are naive as fuck if you believe everything written in a book about somebody decades after they die.

the new testament??!

Unless it's written by your family or close friends at least then your claims will have some validity

 

[IceBergTaylor]

If Malcolm x had gay sex that shit would have been made well known and popularized while he was alive because white america and the government in general hated that nigga more than MLK and all the rest

the government clearly saw MLK Jr. as the bigger threat. When MLK had a communist in his inner circle there were White House meetings about it. J Edgar Hoover never mailed Malcolm X threatening blackmail letters demanding that he kill himself. If anything, a radical militant is the perfect boogeyman for an oppressor class.

One could argue that when Malcolm came back from the Mecca his "threat level" considerably jumped higher.

 

[CapitalB]

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw shade on Malcolm X's legacy.

But he was a complex man and several people have both stated in interviews and wrote in books that he was a gigalo for money with men and women in his Malcolm Little years before prison...

You can't call out James Baldwin on this without also calling out Malcolm X on the same thing.

Why are you spreading these lies???[

Yeah, I just decided to make this stuff up. C'mon man, there is no benefit to me lying about this...

I've read almost every biography about Malcolm X and these rumors from his "Detroit Red"/ street hustling days keep coming up.

You can accept it or not... believe or not...

I didn't want to believe it either but it is what it is.

If James Baldwin didn't say he was a homosexual himself and instead it was just a rumor... would you deny that too?

The only reason I said anything about Malcolm X's sexuality is because a few people in here were so quick to dismiss the lifelong work of James Baldwin based on the fact dude was gay.

I just like historical accuracy even if it I don't agree with it.

So in other words you are spreading lies/gossip just like a woman.

Or I'm paraphrasing part of "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention" which won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for History by this man:

With all due respect fuck him and fuck you. I am not impressed by awards especially when they are given for some bullshit book that contains no concrete evidence and proves nothing.

so we can't have discussions about historical figures because you get upset when the narrative doesn't fit your agenda?

JFK was a known philanderer who was tagging every woman in sight and possibly giving up presidential secrets to some of those women during his after sex bedside chats but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good president who did a lot of great things for America

But, by your rationale, we can't discuss any of that stuff about JFK

Fuck outta here...grow up, man... sometimes your heroes did dirt... not everything is a conspiracy

The difference is that there is real proof JFK was a playboy. There is none that proves Malcolm x ever fucked men.

You are naive as fuck if you believe everything written in a book about somebody decades after they die.

the new testament??!

Unless it's written by your family or close friends at least then your claims will have some validity

are u tryin to say the new testament was written by close friends of jesus?! lol

u mean to tell me niggas had names like Matthew and Mark back in those times in that region!? lol

yeh okay nigga..

and it wasnt decades.. it was actually centuries..

but dont mind me..

was jus pointin out the hypocrisy in ur post. lol

 

[zzombie]

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw shade on Malcolm X's legacy.

But he was a complex man and several people have both stated in interviews and wrote in books that he was a gigalo for money with men and women in his Malcolm Little years before prison...

You can't call out James Baldwin on this without also calling out Malcolm X on the same thing.

Why are you spreading these lies???[

Yeah, I just decided to make this stuff up. C'mon man, there is no benefit to me lying about this...

I've read almost every biography about Malcolm X and these rumors from his "Detroit Red"/ street hustling days keep coming up.

You can accept it or not... believe or not...

I didn't want to believe it either but it is what it is.

If James Baldwin didn't say he was a homosexual himself and instead it was just a rumor... would you deny that too?

The only reason I said anything about Malcolm X's sexuality is because a few people in here were so quick to dismiss the lifelong work of James Baldwin based on the fact dude was gay.

I just like historical accuracy even if it I don't agree with it.

So in other words you are spreading lies/gossip just like a woman.

Or I'm paraphrasing part of "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention" which won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for History by this man:

With all due respect fuck him and fuck you. I am not impressed by awards especially when they are given for some bullshit book that contains no concrete evidence and proves nothing.

so we can't have discussions about historical figures because you get upset when the narrative doesn't fit your agenda?

JFK was a known philanderer who was tagging every woman in sight and possibly giving up presidential secrets to some of those women during his after sex bedside chats but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good president who did a lot of great things for America

But, by your rationale, we can't discuss any of that stuff about JFK

Fuck outta here...grow up, man... sometimes your heroes did dirt... not everything is a conspiracy

The difference is that there is real proof JFK was a playboy. There is none that proves Malcolm x ever fucked men.

You are naive as fuck if you believe everything written in a book about somebody decades after they die.

the new testament??!

Unless it's written by your family or close friends at least then your claims will have some validity

are u tryin to say the new testament was written by close friends of jesus?! lol

u mean to tell me niggas had names like Matthew and Mark back in those times in that region!? lol

yeh okay nigga..

and it wasnt decades.. it was actually centuries..

but dont mind me..

was jus pointin out the hypocrisy in ur post. lol

You are factual incorrect the gospels were not written centuries after Jesus died. The names mark and Matthew are just their given names

The apostle Peter real name was shimon, Matthew real name was most likely Levi etc etc etc the apostle were given new names.

Mark was yohanan

 

[CapitalB]

nah..

im pretty sure im correct on this.. not about to argue wit u tho.. believe what u believe..

u still a fuck nigga by the way.

 

[janklow]

and yeh.. i didnt read no gay shit about Brother Malcolm in his book.. i have heard shit heresay tho..

Autobiography does have the whole "i know a guy who did this" thing that, if it was an acquaintance telling you the story, you'd say "please, you're talking about yourself."

Manning Marable and several others have said Malcolm was involved with gay for pay activities...these cannot be substantiated and are irrelevant. Baldwin was openly homosexual and IIRC even had white boyfriends, him being gay is equally irrelevant.

well, if nothing else, there IS a difference between "did some things for money" and "was homosexual and openly lived as such."

I can just imagine the kind of fuckery people are going to write about Obama decades after he dies.they write fuckery about him now shit will just tun up when he dies

so you know people talk about Obama supposedly being involved in gay bathhouse shenanigans right now, right?

the government clearly saw MLK Jr. as the bigger threat. When MLK had a communist in his inner circle there were White House meetings about it. J Edgar Hoover never mailed Malcolm X threatening blackmail letters demanding that he kill himself. If anything, a radical militant is the perfect boogeyman for an oppressor class.

on the other hand, Hoover didn't publicize the sex stuff, he had blackmail letters sent. so this does kind of argue against the "if the FBI knew about this, they'd publicize it immediately" thing (IF they knew about it).

 

[soul rattler]

Both Malcolm X and James Baldwin are saying some of the realist shit ever spoken in this video and you niggas managed to end up debating their sexually instead of appreciating the content.

The fuck is wrong with you niggas?

 

[atribecalledgabi]

Both Malcolm X and James Baldwin are saying some of the realist shit ever spoken in this video and you niggas managed to end up debating their sexually instead of appreciating the content.

The fuck is wrong with you niggas?

You know niggas can't stay on topic on the ic

 

[latrelll]

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw shade on Malcolm X's legacy.

But he was a complex man and several people have both stated in interviews and wrote in books that he was a gigalo for money with men and women in his Malcolm Little years before prison...

You can't call out James Baldwin on this without also calling out Malcolm X on the same thing.

Why are you spreading these lies???[

Yeah, I just decided to make this stuff up. C'mon man, there is no benefit to me lying about this...

I've read almost every biography about Malcolm X and these rumors from his "Detroit Red"/ street hustling days keep coming up.

You can accept it or not... believe or not...

I didn't want to believe it either but it is what it is.

If James Baldwin didn't say he was a homosexual himself and instead it was just a rumor... would you deny that too?

The only reason I said anything about Malcolm X's sexuality is because a few people in here were so quick to dismiss the lifelong work of James Baldwin based on the fact dude was gay.

I just like historical accuracy even if it I don't agree with it.

Historical accuracy? So rumors from two books equals historical accuracy?lol The unsubstantiated gossip about Malcolm being gay is only in two hit job books. One from Manning Marable and the other is Bruce Perry, both of these men had no love for Malcolm btw. Malcolm's nephew Rodnell Collins never mentioned anything about Malcolm being gay in his book.

The white supremacist and Zionist run media will stop at nothing to try and diminish our black male leaders and men we look up to. They even try to say Nat Turner was gay, its sad.smh

My thing is, if Malcolm was gay not only would the FBI have outted him, Elijah Muhammad would've made sure he was outted since Malcolm put Elijah's dirt in the streets about sleeping with under aged girls. The NOI would've been jumped on that rumor if it was legit.

 

[whoseworldisthis]

People are going to believe what they want to believe...

R. Kelly is a conspiracy...

Michael Jackson is a conspiracy...

Bill Cosby is a conspiracy...

Charlie Sheen is a conspiracy...

Bill Clinton is a conspiracy...

People on the IC are acting like I pulled these rumors about Malcolm X out of thin air...