LOOKS LIKE ITS A WRAP FOR GHADAFFI (Tripoli falling, Qadaffi fleeing w/ sons?)

[Maximus Rex]

I find it odd that we were hearing about this everyday about two or three months ago, we stop hearing, then I literally woke up on Monday morning and the news was talking about those niggas was at Mommar's door.

 

[kingblaze84]

i'm still trying to figure out what countries are on this list

too tired to search for a good quote right now, but come on, this statement here seems very contrary to some of your most angry hyperbole

well, look, honestly, i'd rather talk about Libya in the Libya thread instead of the Fed in EVERY damn thread. but let me state this a different way: the point is that while it's perfectly fine and good and necessary to question the government and criticize the government, it makes your criticism suspect when your position is ALWAYS "the US is no good at all times." i can come back to my general "there is NO government free of selfish interests" sentiment if you like.

general statements like that don't mean much because you can have a left-wing progressive who hates war and a right-wing reactionary who hates Obama both telling you that "America is on the wrong track now" for reasons that are completely different and not necessarily related to foreign policy.

i think this is why i've been saying that i get the argument of "i'd rather focus on the US than foreign nations with our dollars," but i don't get claiming there was NO reason to help in Libya.

Chavez should, because even now he's taking current events as a reason to defend Gaddafi and rail against the US/NATO/whoever. for a man who claims to have all this respect for the people, he certainly seems to care much more about his buddy Gaddafi. i am not surprised.

also, i just want to point out that many people on this forum were ranting how we'd be at war with Iran YEARS ago. where are these posters now?

It doesn't make one anti-American to criticize the worst of American policies. MLK Jr criticized many of America's policies, ESPECIALLY our never ending wars. MLK Jr told the truth when he said "America is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today". That's not an anti-American belief, it's a legitimate opinion. And I have plenty of evidence to back me up. MLK Jr also said the same things I'm saying in this thread, we are quick to spend money to kill and destroy, and extremely hesitant to spend money to build up our infrastructure and our poor/middle class. When America is in dire straits the way it is now, sorry, there is NO solid reason to help these rebels. Let other nations who are not in two wars help, I'm sure the Libyans would understand. Again, if 73% of Americans think the nation is on the wrong track, something is very wrong, regardless of one's political affiliation or position.

As far as Iran, I will give Obama credit, he's the main reason I believe America hasn't fought Iran. Republicans would have bombed Iran to hell if Mccain won in 2008.

 

[Jonas.dini]

I find it odd that we were hearing about this everyday about two or three months ago, we stop hearing, then I literally woke up on Monday morning and the news was talking about those niggas was at Mommar's door.

Why did you stop hearing about it? There have been reports in the news every day for the last six months.

 

[kingblaze84]

Why did you stop hearing about it? There have been reports in the news every day for the last six months.

LOL I was just about to say this.

 

[Maximus Rex]

What killed me in this whole Libyan thing is the blatant hyprocrisy of the Nation of Islam, i.e. Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan is one of the first people to point out these fucked up political alliances that the U.S. have with various fucked up political dictators; however, if the fucked up totalitarian dictator is somebody you're cool with, was trying to give you a billion dollars and supports you and your cause, suddenly all of those human rights violations don't seem to mean anything.

I heard Farrakhan on a 98.7 KISS FM a few weeks ago actually coming to the defense of and being an apologist for Gaddafi. Minister Farrakhan was saying how Khadfi raised literacy rates, provided nationalized healthcare, and just improved the overall quality of life of the average Libyan. Personally, I was like this nigga. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Why is wrong for the U.S. to support brutal and corrupt regimes, but it isn't for the Nation. To paraphase Georgeous Dre from the great film documentary "American Pimp," "If it's wrong here, it's wrong every where."

That's another thing that had me fucked in the game concerning Farrkhan and his defense of Quady, what Farrakhan was doin that Sunday morning, if we was doing that on Libyan radio, he would've been possibly arrested, tortured, or even killed. Personally, I'd happily trade of f nationalized medicine for freedom of the press, assembly, religion, and speech.

Another question I would have for Minister Farrakhan, how great can an society be if they can't pick their leader? You're not saying that a country should have the same leader for forty years are you?

 

[kingblaze84]

Lets see what will happen to America aka Babylon at the hand of Iran aka Biblical Medes.... Also many other nations will be joined up with Iran/Medes such as Russia, China, North Korea etc against Babylon aka America.

Isaiah 13:13-22
King James Version (KJV)

13Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

14And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

America definitely is an empire and it certainly is a borderline evil one.....America's arrogance, as Martin Luther King Jr said, will be its downfall.

 

[toomy]

NATO brought in people from other countries in Libya?

[video=youtube;m5HbbTNpsjo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HbbTNpsjo&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[garv]

Foreign Minister Franco Frattini of Italy said on state television on Monday that the Italian oil company Eni “will have a No. 1 role in the future” in the North African country.

We all know why they invaded Libya, the imperialistic rule of Africa continues.

 

[garv]

What killed me in this whole Libyan thing is the blatant hyprocrisy of the Nation of Islam, i.e. Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan is one of the first people to point out these fucked up political alliances that the U.S. have with various fucked up political dictators; however, if the fucked up totalitarian dictator is somebody you're cool with, was trying to give you a billion dollars and supports you and your cause, suddenly all of those human rights violations don't seem to mean anything.

I heard Farrakhan on a 98.7 KISS FM a few weeks ago actually coming to the defense of and being an apologist for Gaddafi. Minister Farrakhan was saying how Khadfi raised literacy rates, provided nationalized healthcare, and just improved the overall quality of life of the average Libyan. Personally, I was like this nigga. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Why is wrong for the U.S. to support brutal and corrupt regimes, but it isn't for the Nation. To paraphase Georgeous Dre from the great film documentary "American Pimp," "If it's wrong here, it's wrong every where."

That's another thing that had me fucked in the game concerning Farrkhan and his defense of Quady, what Farrakhan was doin that Sunday morning, if we was doing that on Libyan radio, he would've been possibly arrested, tortured, or even killed. Personally, I'd happily trade of f nationalized medicine for freedom of the press, assembly, religion, and speech.

Another question I would have for Minister Farrakhan, how great can an society be if they can't pick their leader? You're not saying that a country should have the same leader for forty years are you?

This whole post is full of bullshit, sit down brother your mind has clearly been decimated by the propaganda you see in the media.

 

[janklow]

It doesn't make one anti-American to criticize the worst of American policies.

i have some evidence that you did not read my post before responding. let me quote that post:

"it's perfectly fine and good and necessary to question the government and criticize the government"

so i guess you missed that part?

When America is in dire straits the way it is now, sorry, there is NO solid reason to help these rebels. Let other nations who are not in two wars help, I'm sure the Libyans would understand.

again, "i think this is why i've been saying that i get the argument of "i'd rather focus on the US than foreign nations with our dollars," but i don't get claiming there was NO reason to help in Libya." there are things that no nation BUT the US can do that were done to support the rebels in this conflict. so in some respects it sounds like the real argument should be "other nations should have footed the bill for the US to do that stuff." maybe so.

still, "removing Gaddafi so that Libyans can have some say in their government" is a solid reason even if you would prioritize differently.

Again, if 73% of Americans think the nation is on the wrong track, something is very wrong, regardless of one's political affiliation or position.

...unless the reason it's 73% is that if you ask enough people, they will all claim SOME reason that America's "on the wrong track," even if no individual opinion as to why is in the majority

As far as Iran, I will give Obama credit, he's the main reason I believe America hasn't fought Iran. Republicans would have bombed Iran to hell if Mccain won in 2008.

an absolutely ridiculous opinion. you had posters on this site guaranteeing that we'd be fighting Iran "soon" back in 2004. so let's not act like we were about to attack Iran and Obama stopped it.

 

[janklow]

Another question I would have for Minister Farrakhan, how great can an society be if they can't pick their leader? You're not saying that a country should have the same leader for forty years are you?

i have always gotten the impression that Farrakhan is not a great supporter of variation in leadership

Foreign Minister Franco Frattini of Italy said on state television on Monday that the Italian oil company Eni “will have a No. 1 role in the future” in the North African country. We all know why they invaded Libya, the imperialistic rule of Africa continues.

good thing Italy invaded Libya! wait...

also, what kind of invasion has no ground troops? meh

 

[toomy]

http://www.voltairenet.org/spip.php...ng=en&date_debut=&date_fin=&var_mode=recalcul

NATO carnage in Tripoli

by Thierry Meyssan

From Tripoli, Thierry Meyssan reports on the carnage he is witnessing. Article posted on Monday, at 0:35 AM.

Voltaire Network | Tripoli (Libya) | 21 August 2011

On Saturday, 20 August 2011, at 8:00 PM, that is to say just after the Iftar, the breaking of the Ramadan fast, the Atlantic Alliance launched "Operation Mermaid Dawn."

The Sirens were the mosque loud speakers which were used to launch Al Qaeda’s call to revolt against the Gaddafi government. Immediately, rebel "sleeper cells" went into action. Organized in small, highly mobile, groups, they carried out multiple attacks. The overnight combats left 350 dead and 3000 wounded.

The situation stabilized on Sunday during the course of the day.

A NATO ship docked near Tripoli unloaded heavy weapons and disembarked Al Qaeda jihadi forces, supervised by NATO officers.

The fighting started on Sunday night, reaching a rare degree of violence. NATO drones and aircraft kept bombarding in all directions. NATO helicopters strafed civilians in the streets with machine guns to clear the way for the jihadis.

In the evening, a motorcade of official cars carrying top government figures came under attack. It pulled into the Rixos Hotel where the foreign press is based. NATO did not dare to bomb the hotel to avoid killing its own journalists. Nevertheless the hotel, which is where I am staying, is now under heavy fire.

At 11:30 PM, the Ministry of Health could only announce that the hospitals were full to overflowing. By early evening there were 1300 additional dead and 5000 wounded.

NATO has been entrusted by the Security Council to protect civilians. In reality, France and the UK have just re-started their colonial massacres.

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Monday, 1:00 AM: Khamis Qaddafi came to the Rixos Hotel personally to deliver weapons for the defense of the hotel. He then left. There is now heavy fighting all around the hotel.

Thierry Meyssan

 

[toomy]

RT NATO Blew a hole through Tripoli.

[video=youtube;pKR_psM-Y4E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKR_psM-Y4E&feature=player_embedded[/video]

Journalist says that the Rebels are the real threat.

 

[toomy]

The war crimes committed by NATO will never be prosecuted.

less than half of the tribes in Libya supports the Transitional National Council. To say that Libya is divided is an understatement.

[video=youtube;y34-kJbSNQE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y34-kJbSNQE&feature=player_embedded#![/video]

 

[Jonas.dini]

Interesting that there are two entirely different narratives out there on libya.

RT is having a loud voice on this one.

 

[RumBoxTen]

i have always gotten the impression that Farrakhan is not a great supporter of variation in leadership

good thing Italy invaded Libya! wait...
also, what kind of invasion has no ground troops? meh

A sea and air invasion. Even though NATO countries did no invade Libya by land it is clear that their objective is regime change instead of humanitarian aid, which is illegal. They have deviated from resolution 1973 on many occasions without anyone crying foul. I'm sure these tactic will come to bite us in the butt in the near future. This conflict is an example of what Robert Gates said when he spoke of "wars of opportunity." I just hope this ends soon because things will turn real sour if it turns into militia vs militia fighting.

That RT video is contradicting itself. It can't be a trap by the regime and NATO full scale bombing at the same time. There is no mistake that Western media is pushing the propaganda campaign for the rebels hard but RT is looking real desperate right now. It's so hard to find balanced report without the obvious spin.

 

[Maximus Rex]

This whole post is full of bullshit, sit down brother your mind has clearly been decimated by the propaganda you see in the media.

What bullshit is that?

 

[kingblaze84]

It's gonna be a long and costly war for sure, the rebels are STILL fighting Gaddafi's forces as we speak....in Tripoli, the city that they supposedly "captured", lol.......let's not even mention the fact most of the country is still in Gaddafi's hands, including Gaddafi's hometown.

Even worst, there are videos online of rebels killing civilians in the streets, yet NATO said they were there to protect civilians, lol.....welcome to Iraq part 2 ya'll

 

[toomy]

U.S. news stations broadcasting fake youtube videos about Libya? The Libyan government blocked youtube in October of 2010.

[video=youtube;W3LPyZhvGNg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3LPyZhvGNg&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[kingblaze84]

^^ Sad and pathetic war America has gotten itself involved in again. This war is clearly to get Libya's oil and prevent Libya from building up its currency. Why aren't we protecting civilians from the brutal war in the Sudan? No oil there, of course, how could I have possibly forgotten.

Shame on the USA and NATO for this stupid as fuck war, playing world's policeman is played the fuck out. Fuck American govt.