LOOKS LIKE ITS A WRAP FOR GHADAFFI (Tripoli falling, Qadaffi fleeing w/ sons?)

[Nubian11]

Sad,like it or not blacks (dark skinned) in general Sh*tted on,are made to look worst then every other colour...

 

[And Step]

Well I don't know what exactly she said, but there are lots of black libyans, that doesn't change the fact that Gaddafi brought in black african militants from outside libya which created a backlash against black libyans.

This is not true Jonas.

Those Blacks in Libya have been living in Libya as citizens for decades. It started with the ones from Chad who came in the 60's. These are not mercenaries. I have been to Tripoli and I can tell you that those dudes from Bengazi who are linked to AlQaeda have had a problem with Black people that is culturally ingrained. Those group of Blacks they slaughtered in July were Libyan Citizens who parents were from Chad. There were many Africans who migrated to Libya and became Citizens.

Some of you black dudes big upping these rebels don't realize if they saw you on the streets they would merk you. They see you as "Abd" or a slave. Many in the Arab world see you as that, particularly those in the Wahabi strain and Al Qaeda. These are the same people who were trading Black Africans to the Radanite Jews and European Christians.
Qadafi acknowledge this and was the only Arab leader to publicly apologize for this. He even acknowledges in his Green Book that the "Black Race will Prevail" and that they are the true owners of Libya and Northern Africa.

Lot of misinformation being spread in this thread, I will be back to clear this up and oh yeah Swiffness, I caught your little dart I will be back to laminate that ass like I did in the earlier thread. You my man, but you are getting a little too big for your britches bro, lol.

See you inna bit............

 

[Jonas.dini]

This is not true Jonas.

Those Blacks in Libya have been living in Libya as citizens for decades. It started with the ones from Chad who came in the 60's. These are not mercenaries. I have been to Tripoli and I can tell you that those dudes from Bengazi who are linked to AlQaeda have had a problem with Black people that is culturally ingrained. Those group of Blacks they slaughtered in July were Libyan Citizens who parents were from Chad. There were many Africans who migrated to Libya and became Citizens.

Actually yes it is true, it isn't the only reason for racial animosity, nor are all or even most blacks in Libya mercenaries from outside. As you'll see if you read my last post before the one you quoted I said there are lots of black Libyans and I said that Gaddafi's utilization of mercenaries from outside is only part of the reason for the backlash, there are also cultural components as you noted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14693343 -- I could post many more articles reporting this from a myriad of publications.

 

[toomy]

Well I don't know what exactly she said, but there are lots of black libyans, that doesn't change the fact that Gaddafi brought in black african militants from outside libya which created a backlash against black libyans.

You didn't watch the video? She talks about in within the first few minutes.

 

[Geneva2011]

Look at what these Rebels are doing to Black Libyans

 

[And Step]

Actually yes it is true, it isn't the only reason for racial animosity, nor are all or even most blacks in Libya mercenaries from outside. As you'll see if you read my last post before the one you quoted I said there are lots of black Libyans and I said that Gaddafi's utilization of mercenaries from outside is only part of the reason for the backlash, there are also cultural components as you noted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14693343 -- I could post many more articles reporting this from a myriad of publications.

And I am saying that the backlash against Blacks in Libya is not because of the supposed mercenaries. That attitude has been there before this chain of events. Those dudes from Bengazi and their Al Qaeda cohorts have had a problem with Black people. To act like their slaughter of Blacks in Libya is a recent reprisal for mercenary actions is just not true. They have offered no proof other than they said so.

The claim of mercenary reprisal is a convenient excuse and justification of their racism. They have been slaughtering unarmed black civilians from the jump.

 

[H-Rap 180]

This is not true Jonas.

Those Blacks in Libya have been living in Libya as citizens for decades. It started with the ones from Chad who came in the 60's. These are not mercenaries. I have been to Tripoli and I can tell you that those dudes from Bengazi who are linked to AlQaeda have had a problem with Black people that is culturally ingrained. Those group of Blacks they slaughtered in July were Libyan Citizens who parents were from Chad. There were many Africans who migrated to Libya and became Citizens.

Some of you black dudes big upping these rebels don't realize if they saw you on the streets they would merk you. They see you as "Abd" or a slave. Many in the Arab world see you as that, particularly those in the Wahabi strain and Al Qaeda. These are the same people who were trading Black Africans to the Radanite Jews and European Christians.
Qadafi acknowledge this and was the only Arab leader to publicly apologize for this. He even acknowledges in his Green Book that the "Black Race will Prevail" and that they are the true owners of Libya and Northern Africa.

Lot of misinformation being spread in this thread, I will be back to clear this up and oh yeah Swiffness, I caught your little dart I will be back to laminate that ass like I did in the earlier thread. You my man, but you are getting a little too big for your britches bro, lol.

See you inna bit............

Your insight and intelligence is always appreciate bruh.

 

[Jonas.dini]

And I am saying that the backlash against Blacks in Libya is not because of the supposed mercenaries. That attitude has been there before this chain of events. Those dudes from Bengazi and their Al Qaeda cohorts have had a problem with Black people. To act like their slaughter of Blacks in Libya is a recent reprisal for mercenary actions is just not true. They have offered no proof other than they said so.

The claim of mercenary reprisal is a convenient excuse and justification of their racism. They have been slaughtering unarmed black civilians from the jump.

The two factors we're discussing aren't mutually exclusive.

You didn't watch the video? She talks about in within the first few minutes.

Na but I'll watch it in a bit when I have a few minutes.

 

[RumBoxTen]

let me respond to this by saying that you have made NO effort to prove your claims about Gaddafi controlling the majority of Libya, whereas every reputable news organization will say otherwise. take a gander at any of them, or show me something supporting this "Gaddafi still rules" claim.

okay, let's see what we're comparing here:

--toomy says "A NATO ship docked near Tripoli unloaded heavy weapons and disembarked Al Qaeda jihadi forces, supervised by NATO officers"
--janklow says "this is bullshit"

and your position is that i'm denying something factual he said because there are Libyans with connections to the LIFG? get the fuck out of here with that absurd leap of logic. did you actually read what HE or i posted?

this ridiculous question is just another way of admitted you're embarrassed that your position on Libya can be summed up as "i'm sorry people made Gaddafi's dictatorship end." but this is what happens when you insist on taking the "anything America does is 100% EVIL" position

the catch is that you can always describe attacks on Gaddafi forces as necessary to defend civilians. forget arguing from a position of "we all know what the West/NATO/whoever" REALLY wants; what's NATO doing that CANNOT be described as done to protect civilians from Gaddafi's forces?

see that "intentionally vague" thing there? yeah...

That part where they sponsor a militia to overthrow the government of a sovereign country. Conflict of interest? I'm no Qaddafi flag waver, I just believe two wrongs don't make a right. Humanitarian aid is good but instigating a conflict that you came to defuse is just wrong and far from protecting civilians. The US has been down this road before and we need to avoid the mousetraps. Just a few years ago we were heading into Iraq based on lies/bad intel and the same major media outlets of today were all spinning the propaganda machine as the top party labeled people who questioned the war unpatriotic. This was just a couple years ago.

I have a question for you, what is the difference between the US support for the Nicaraguan Contras and NATO's (US) support for the rebels? Congress, propaganda, illegal sale of drugs/oil. It's almost de javu.

 

[janklow]

prolly already posted but FUCK IT

[video=youtube;rWRnv45L5ig]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWRnv45L5ig[/video]

that hat is a CIA job to fool you into think the rebels seized Gadaffi's hat

Obama ain't gonna let Israel attack Iran for the following reasons: #1 It won't work (this is why Bush said no to Israel in '08), #2 It'll piss off the Iranian people (while providing the IRG a great opportunity for Gestapo Long Knives action) #3 the backlash would be HUUUUUUGE @ both home n abroad, #4 Oil price would shit bricks and that's assuming Iran doesn't turn the Persian Gulf into a warzone in retaliation.

this.

On the IC? Bloodlines.com is reputable to a lot of the posters on this site... and I just made that website up (altho I'm sure such a site does exist)

i am going to make a ruling that Bloodlines.com is "not reputable"

CIA definitely has links to Al-Qaeda, we funded the mujaheddin in the 80s, and many of their members eventually became Al-Qaeda.

i've said it before, but again, you oversimplify this. funding went from the US to the ISI to the mujaheddin, and the ISI gets the final blame for who specifically they funded. remember that they would make the decision to fund "worse" guys like Hekmatyar over "better" guys like Massoud for their personal reasons. our direct links were more to the latter and still limited as far as funding went due to our arrangements with the Pakistanis.

And I am saying that the backlash against Blacks in Libya is not because of the supposed mercenaries. That attitude has been there before this chain of events.

to quote Jonas.dini, though, "the two factors we're discussing aren't mutually exclusive." have you considered that Libyans have long-standing animosity towards blacks in Libya for the reasons you state AND for the mercenary one?

That part where they sponsor a militia to overthrow the government of a sovereign country. Conflict of interest?

what are we talking about when we say "sponsoring a militia?" the UN already agreed that Gaddafi was out of line and Libyans needed to be protected from him; hence the resolution. whatever non-US countries do (say, France) isn't something that i am going to hold the US accountable for ... and you can STILL justify it as being done to protect civilians. this is the trap Gaddafi put himself in by taking his repression to the degree he did.

I'm no Qaddafi flag waver, I just believe two wrongs don't make a right. Humanitarian aid is good but instigating a conflict that you came to defuse is just wrong and far from protecting civilians.

i think i understand your argument, but i don't see anyone from NATO as "instigating a conflict that [they] came to defuse."

I have a question for you, what is the difference between the US support for the Nicaraguan Contras and NATO's (US) support for the rebels? Congress, propaganda, illegal sale of drugs/oil. It's almost de javu.

well, i don't think you have the illegal sale of drugs/oil part. some propaganda is inevitable in EVERYTHING. however you don't have the financial/military support in the same way. the US simply isn't training, arming and financing Libyans in the same way. you could also argue that the Libyan rebels have a much more "legitimate" mission (overthrowing a long-standing dictator) than the contras did (or maybe just as the US thought the contras did: "stopping international socialism and stopping the funding of El Salvadorian rebels"). it's an interesting comparison, though.

 

[And Step]

to quote Jonas.dini, though, "the two factors we're discussing aren't mutually exclusive." have you considered that Libyans have long-standing animosity towards blacks in Libya for the reasons you state AND for the mercenary one?

Yes, I did consider it. Then I threw it in the waste pail with the rest of the bullshit thought processes.

That is like saying that the KKK during the Reconstruction period were lynching blacks because they hated them and because they had freedom to move around. Like the second reason was a valid addendum to their hatred.

FOH, with that bullshit.

They were killing blacks who were not mercenaries so that is all you need to know about that, Janklow.

Look man it would be easier if you would leave the racial animosity insight to us and you all concentrate on hockey or good credit or some shit like that.

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

as usual, And Sashay is outed as a racist liar. Why he's still here after the mods found his gay Muslim alias, we'll never know.

 

[And Step]

^^^^^^^^

Scared to death punani post.

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

Scared? Are you drinking again, Sashay?

 

[kingblaze84]

let me respond to this by saying that you have made NO effort to prove your claims about Gaddafi controlling the majority of Libya, whereas every reputable news organization will say otherwise. take a gander at any of them, or show me something supporting this "Gaddafi still rules" claim.

okay, let's see what we're comparing here:

--toomy says "A NATO ship docked near Tripoli unloaded heavy weapons and disembarked Al Qaeda jihadi forces, supervised by NATO officers"
--janklow says "this is bullshit"

and your position is that i'm denying something factual he said because there are Libyans with connections to the LIFG? get the fuck out of here with that absurd leap of logic. did you actually read what HE or i posted?

this ridiculous question is just another way of admitted you're embarrassed that your position on Libya can be summed up as "i'm sorry people made Gaddafi's dictatorship end." but this is what happens when you insist on taking the "anything America does is 100% EVIL" position

Why can't you just show me the proof that Gadafi is not in charge of most of the nation? Only 43 nations out of 120 something recognize the rebels as the official rulers of the nation. Show me proof Gadafi has lost power over most of Libya, I asked you first, so don't ask me to find out for myself. If you can't show me the proof yourself, than I have reason to believe you can't back up what you say.

As far as the links between Al-Qaeda and the Libyan rebels, the proof is in the pudding(Bill Cosby voice). I'm not saying all the Libyan rebels are affiliated or are with Al-Qaeda, but if rebel commanders are saying publicly they have or have had strong connections to Al-Qaeda, why are we aiding these people??? The smart thing to do would have been to let the rebels fight it out with Gadafi without interfering. God knows America has its hands tied with Afghanistan and Iraq, why get involved in another bullshit war?

 

[kingblaze84]

From the Associated Press:

ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia — The chairman of the African Union says Libyan rebels may be indiscriminately killing black people in Libya because they have confused innocent migrant workers with mercenaries.

Chairman Jean Ping told reporters Monday that this is one of the reasons the AU is refusing to recognize the National Transitional Council as the country's interim government.

He said "We need clarification because the NTC seems to confuse black people with mercenaries .... They are killing normal workers."

Libya's rebel National Transitional Council appears to have secured Libya's capital after a week of fierce fighting with loyalists to Col. Moammar Gadhafi.

He said there was no doubt the council now controlled the capital city and called on both sides to "stop the killing."

--So some of ya'll support the mass killings of Blacks in Libya? Really Swiffness? It's one thing to support Al-Qaeda, but to support rebels who are killing indiscriminately Blacks in the nation? Just another reason America shouldv'e not got involved in this bullshit. Obama is a sellout and all but damn, who wouldv'e known he'd support rebel groups who think all Blacks are mercenaries?

 

[janklow]

They were killing blacks who were not mercenaries so that is all you need to know about that, Janklow.

again, the fact that non-mercenary blacks were killed does not mean a hatred of black mercenaries had nothing to do with it

Why can't you just show me the proof that Gadafi is not in charge of most of the nation? Only 43 nations out of 120 something recognize the rebels as the official rulers of the nation. Show me proof Gadafi has lost power over most of Libya-

go to literally ANY REPUTABLE NEWS ORGANIZATION ON THE INTERNET. this is not a complicated thing to do.

Al Jazeera: the Libyan Revolution

various stories about Libya

a lot of Libyan stuff here

i cannot think of some non-ridiculous news site that doesn't give me the same results.

-I asked you first, so don't ask me to find out for myself. If you can't show me the proof yourself, than I have reason to believe you can't back up what you say.

okay, let me see if i have this straight. in every other goddamn thread where you disagree with me, you tell me that i have to go off and prove YOUR argument for you. and when i mention this, you ignore it. and yet when i say "all you have to do is go to english.aljazeera.net or cnn.com or any other site," this is apparently not enough for you.

i am going to be quoting this post of yours for an entire page should you ask me to support your arguments for you in any future debate. bookmark this so that you won't forget.

As far as the links between Al-Qaeda and the Libyan rebels, the proof is in the pudding(Bill Cosby voice). I'm not saying all the Libyan rebels are affiliated or are with Al-Qaeda, but if rebel commanders are saying publicly they have or have had strong connections to Al-Qaeda, why are we aiding these people???

first off, the person who's argument you jumped in to defend was saying that NATO ships were disembarking Al-Qaeda forces. this is what you're defending? second, i would like to believe that not allowing Gaddafi to run wild will build some goodwill with people who MIGHT consider anti-Western terror in the future. the wonderful thing is that we don't have to agree about this.

The smart thing to do would have been to let the rebels fight it out with Gadafi without interfering. God knows America has its hands tied with Afghanistan and Iraq, why get involved in another bullshit war?

this again boils down to you pretending there is no good reason to assist the rebels because you're opposed to the Libyan conflict entirely. I GET IT. but you have not yet proven to me there is NO good reason, and your major argument has been "well, the Libyans are Al-Qaeda so we're helping Al-Qaeda win, only they're not actually winning, because Gaddafi is winning." there's a contradiction there; please pick a narrative you want to run with so that we can continue (or not).

--So some of ya'll support the mass killings of Blacks in Libya?

again, dude, these tired claims about people's positions do not indicate a weakness in their argument, but a desperation in yours.

 

[toomy]

Libyan rebel ethnic cleansing and lynching of black people Posted on July 7, 2011 by HRI Mark

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Further specific evidence has emerged that there is a strong racist element within the rebel forces, including at command level, and it is the stated intention of these forces to ethnically cleanse areas they capture of their dark-skinned inhabitants.

Racism amongst the rebels including at command level

In a recent article in the Wall Street Journal, journalist Sam Dagher pointed out the obvious fact that the Libyan war is aggravating ethnic tensions in that country. The article talks about the fate of Tawergha, a small town 25 miles to the south of Misrata, inhabited mostly by black Libyans, a legacy of its 19th-century origins as a transit town in the slave trade:

Ibrahim al-Halbous, a rebel commander leading the fight near Tawergha, says all remaining residents should leave once if his fighters capture the town. “They should pack up,” Mr. Halbous said. “Tawergha no longer exists, only Misrata.”

Other rebel leaders are reported as:

“calling for drastic measures like banning Tawergha natives from ever working, living or sending their children to schools in Misrata.”

In addition, according to the article, as a result of the battle for Misrata:

nearly four-fifths of residents of Misrata’s Ghoushi neighborhood were Tawergha natives. Now they are gone or in hiding, fearing revenge attacks by Misratans, amid reports of bounties for their capture.

Amid allegations of black mercenaries and stories of mass rape by the inhabitants of Tawergha, Sam Dagher reports on further evidence of the racism amongst the rebel forces:

Some of the hatred of Tawergha has racist overtones that were mostly latent before the current conflict. On the road between Misrata and Tawergha, rebel slogans like “the brigade for purging slaves, black skin” have supplanted pro-Gadhafi scrawl.

The racial tensions have been fueled by the regime’s alleged use of African mercenaries to violently suppress demonstrators at the start of the Libyan uprising in February, and the sense that the south of the country, which is predominantly black, mainly backs Col. Gadhafi.

This information has already been publicised, in the WSJ and also in the Black Star News. Bryan Chan of the Los Angeles Times reports visiting a prison in Benghazi, where terrified black men were paraded for the cameras (with Human Rights Watch silently taking notes). One man bravely protested he was just a guest worker and the guards presented a Gambian passport as proof he was a Gaddafi operative. Chan’s Libyan interpreter asked:

“So what do you think? Should we just go ahead and kill them?”

There is a lot of horrific video footage clearly showing public lynchings in Benghazi (link to graphic description of some of the footage). including at the rebel HQ, beheadings of blindfolded prisoners and interrogation of prisoners, including in hospitals.

The myth of black mercenaries leads to lynchings

Other evidence of the massacres of black people, which include the lynchings and murder of black soldiers of the Libyan army, guest workers from other African countries and dark-skinned Libyan civilians include a report from the BBC on 25 February which cited a Turkish construction worker as saying:

“We had 70-80 people from Chad working for our company. They were cut dead with pruning shears and axes, attackers saying: ‘You are providing troops for Gaddafi.’ The Sudanese were also massacred. We saw it for ourselves.”

On 27th February Nick Meo of The Telegraph reported from Al-Bayda that he had been shown mobile phone footage of a ‘captured mercenary‘ (presumably he means black person with a uniform) lynched from a street lamp as well as a ‘black African hanging on a meat hook.’

Amnesty International crisis researcher, Donatella Rovera spent the period from 27 February to 29th May in Misrata, Benghasi, Ajabiya and Ras Lanouf. Yesterday she was interviewed by Austria’s ‘The Standard’ and had this to say on the subject:

“We examined this issue in depth and found no evidence. The rebels spread these rumours everywhere, which had terrible consequences for African guest workers: there was a systematic hunt for migrants, some were lynched and many arrested. Since then, even the rebels have admitted there were no mercenaries, almost all have been released and have returned to their countries of origin, as the investigations into them revealed nothing.”

Who spread the myth and why?

So what accounts for the widespread popularity of this myth? It is, to be frank, an example of highly successful propaganda, appealing to the basest of racial stereotypes. The myth was highly important in gaining consent for the operation in Libya, in order to cover up and justify the massacres of black people taking place.

In account after account, the mercenary myth is used to justify the imprisoning and killing of black people and this process continues today. Given the background of racial tension in Libya, including the October 2000 race riots which led to the killings of 200 people with 1000s forced to flee, the consequences of the spreading of this propaganda were entirely predictable and constitute incitement to commit atrocities.

The myth of black mercenaries was spread by certain political leaders including members of the National Transitional Council in Benghazi, British Defence Minister Liam Fox and NATO spokesperson Oana Longescu .

According to Amnesty, allegations of “African mercenaries” have led to the lynchings

The viagra myth

On the viagra myth beloved of the ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo, Donatella Rovera had this to say:

“No one really took that seriously did they? On the 21 March, after the first air strikes on Gadaffi’s troops outside Benghazi, a young man who worked in the media centre presented us with many boxes of the potency drug. He claimed to have found them in the destroyed tanks. The vehicles had been completely burnt out, but the packaging looked brand new. I can not believe that anyone took him seriously.”

NATO enabling human rights abuses

So is NATO actually “protecting civilians” – or is it rather supporting rebels, some of whom who intend to harm dark-skinned Libyans and ethnically cleanse areas over which they take control?

The information contained in this post, is widely known and has been reported in the Independent and other newspapers, so NATO can not claim ignorance of the facts.

As this is being written, the”brigade for purging slaves and black skin,” is advancing on Tawurgha, supported by NATO strikes from the air and on the ground by Special Forces. A rebel commander has declared the intention is to wipe the town off the map and we have already seen the lynchings of black people and the driving out of black people from Ghoushi.

By continuing to escalate the conflict in Libya, allowing the arming and supporting the rebel side, providing bombing support to enable them to advance and refusing to implement a cease-fire as demanded by the United Nations and African Union, NATO is enabling serious abuses of human rights and NATO officials will certainly be held to account.

13 August – Click here for update on Tawerga

http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/07/libya-ethnic-cleansing/