LOOKS LIKE ITS A WRAP FOR GHADAFFI (Tripoli falling, Qadaffi fleeing w/ sons?)

[kingblaze84]

why are we putting quotes around "freedom" there? is this a scam where Libya is not actually going to be free of Gadafi? or just a vote saying you think he's a cool dude.

well, there is a good reason if you think it's going to make for a vast overall improvement for Libya. you might not like to spend the money for that reason as much as OTHER reasons --it's totally fine to prioritize-- but that's also not the same thing as "no good reason."

i also suspect this has a lot to do with a mindset that refuses to allow for the US having done anything good ever

the "internet position" is not about calling this war wasteful; as noted in the post you supposedly read above, it's about refusing to acknowledge anything good about the US in any way and needing to thus spin America's actions.

i remain convinced that there was a lot of hypocritical talk at the time from people who were incredibly against some government spending of any sort while simultaneously championing this mission and the related spending. welcome to politics, i suppose

That money wouldv'e been better spent bailing out American cities and states, so NO I don't see any good reason to have wasted money on this damn war. If you expect me to give American govt props for this, look for another poster. Americans need help now and don't benefit much from Gadafi being gone from power. I highly doubt Congress and the White House will get any major approval rating bumps from this but hey Gadafi is gone and yes he was a bad guy. Hopefully we can spend the next billion bucks helping American cities now, wouldnt that be great?

 

[kingblaze84]

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/08/what_will_rick_snyder_and_the.html#incart_mce

Child poverty in Michigan has skyrocketed 64 percent from 2000 to 2009, which means 75,000 more kids are poor. That far outpaces the national average of 18 percent.

And 36 percent of Michigan kids live in families with no parent who has year-round, full-time employment. That's 845,000 children.

Whenever welfare, Bridge cards and other human services come up, someone argues that these folks messed up their lives and deserve what they get.

But can you really make that argument about children who did nothing besides being born into struggling families?

So what about them? What will Gov. Rick Snyder and the GOP Legislature do to help them? What does it say about us as a society if we're not willing to do anything or just hope that local churches and charities might pitch in a bit?

This year, Republicans have taken significant action -- cutting welfare benefits at 48 months, cutting the Earned Income Tax Credit and cutting the number of weeks you can collect state unemployment.

Can Snyder and lawmakers really believe that these steps won't mean that child poverty will continue to soar in Michigan?

Michigan League for Human Services Executive Director Gilda Jacobs knows the numbers, but also the politics, having served in the Legislature for more than a decade.

She said she knows Snyder is focused on building a good business climate so there's job growth. But she also knows that doesn't happen overnight. And in the meantime, kids are suffering and will continue to with welfare cuts.

"All those things are counterintuitive," she said. "If I had a crystal ball, I would say the numbers aren't going to look better in the future. All of these things have an immediate effect on families. There is a huge time lapse between creating a better business climate and getting people to stay here and move here and people just trying to make it every day . . . It's hard to tell people to wait when they don't have a roof over their head."

So far, Snyder has devoted time to issues like education and local government reform with special messages. Given the eye-opening statistics, sounds like it's time for the governor to give a special message on poverty.

---I'd love it even more if my tax payer money was spent at home fixing problems like this.

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

better spent?

is detroit run by an egomaniacal dictator now?

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

But can you really make that argument about children who did nothing besides being born into struggling families?

what happened to children being the responsibility of the parent? they can get jobs, work hard to advance, and remove their kids from poverty, just like everybody in history has had to do.

stop waiting for da gubment. go to the library, get educated, get a job.

 

[kingblaze84]

what happened to children being the responsibility of the parent? they can get jobs, work hard to advance, and remove their kids from poverty, just like everybody in history has had to do.

stop waiting for da gubment. go to the library, get educated, get a job.

Michigan and many other states have high unemployment rates, I doubt it's as simple as "just get a job". And with your attitude, I could just tell the Libyan rebels the same shit.

Stop being babies and take care of your own fucking problems. Get your own airplanes and fight your own wars your damn selves, stop relying on Americans to bail you out of your own mess. See how easy that is?

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

Libyans started that rebellion themselves. NATO offered to help. If NATO offers to help Michigan, that's their call. But Michigan should get jobs and stop hating.

 

[kingblaze84]

NATO offered to help, and America didn't have to get involved. I understand America is the backbone and spine of what NATO does around the world, but being tied down in two losing and costly wars, along with a bad economy, Obama could have easily told NATO "sorry guys, can't do it". Libya should have been handled by the rebels and rebels alone.

 

[kingblaze84]

And don't get me started on the real reason why we're over there......

 

[Swiffness!]

lmfao @ Kingblaze

this nigga is using the same weak-ass logic Republicans use to argue that we should cut off gov't funding to PBS and NPR

i.e, pretending that a relatively trivial amount of gov't money spent on something I DISAGREE WITH is a GIGANTIC UNACCEPTABLE WASTE even though the actual amount spent amounts to 0.000000000000000000001% of the yearly budget

you try to point out that this is stupid because, again, the actual amount spent ain't shit to the Gov't, but then they ignore you to go on about all the wonderful things they'd do with said amount instead

for conservatives, this usually involves taking that half-billion WASTED on NPR and using it to build a REAL BORDER FENCE THAT'S 1000 FT TALL AND SAVE AMERICA.

for Kingblaze, this involves taking that one billion WASTED on helping Libyans overthrow a dictator and using it to END CHILD POVERTY/FIX EVERY FUCKED UP CITY & STATE BUDGET/MEDICARE FOR ALL/WHATEVER.

*Stringer Bell voice* "Take that shit somewhere else nigga!"

i mean at least with the conservatives, a half billion could be conceivably used to construct a big border fence.....but Kingblaze know damn well that one billion is only enough to fix ONE U.S city budget

 

[kingblaze84]

And with that long speech over Swiff, the reality is that one BILLION could have still been spent on fixing an American city. If you spread that billion enough, 2 of 3 could be helped out. This Libyan thing isn't gona boost anybody's approval ratings, believe that lol.....I'm not hating, but facts are facts. That money should have been spent here in America, and let's be real, the US is gonna be spending billions by the time all is said and done. I already heard we would be there for "weeks, not months". I know damn well we'll be there for years to come, as cities in America continue to struggle with unemployment and bad infrastructure.

 

[toomy]

RT says Nato is not winning. British and French Nationals are threatening journalist. He says that NATO will claim there is a blood bath and then seek direct intervention by Army.

[video=youtube;wDZ86eNaKhM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDZ86eNaKhM[/video]

 

[MR.CJ]

usa usa usa

 

[GettinLo]

usa usa usa

Exactly! USA is da best!

 

[toomy]

More inside reports...

[video=youtube;8G3X9NV4pfI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G3X9NV4pfI&feature=player_embedded[/video]

[video=youtube;jNFMWKV0oiI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNFMWKV0oiI&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[toomy]

journalist said that a CNN producer threatened his life.[video=youtube;MezHfCxyEzs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MezHfCxyEzs&feature=player_embedded#![/video]

 

[desertrain10]

I got a bad feeling about this...

But now gaddifi is out who is going to replace him?... will libya become a democracy or will washington support the installation of another brute dictatorship that better serves the strategic interests of the US, as well as the operations of the giant oil and gas companies....

Will chaos and a civil war ensue?

Will the US eventually have to spend more and MORE MONEY and send more and MORE TROOPS if shit doesn't stabilize.... which is a big possibility
especially since they are sitting on so much oil

I dunno....seems like we have another iraq on our hands.

meanwhile libya's people will continue to suffer

we supposedly saved the lives millions of Libyan protesters but seems to me in the long run the US would've been better suited to sit this one out. people have died and are going to continue die whether or not the US stepped in or not ....and like i was sayin its likely that another brute dictator will take up where gaddifi left off anyways....

 

[musicology1985]

Damn...The end of an era...

& cosign all of that Michigan talk..We have 1st, 2nd & 3rd world areas.

DoD & Capitol Hill don't give a fuck about that doe...Do for self.

 

[musicology1985]

I also appreciate the fact that Gaddaffi is not willingly giving up anything, including his title as leader of Libya...He's going at it with dignity which is very respectable. African revolving door politics, as usual.

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

machine gunning your own citizens is dignity?

 

[musicology1985]

machine gunning your own citizens is dignity?

That's just a part of politics in many areas of the world..Over here, we just call it police brutality & it's mainly done with semi-auto's.