LMS Debate: mryounggun vs Preach2Teach: Should Washington, DC become the 51st state of the USA?

[2stepz_ahead]

Naw, no rounds off. I'm legit curious as to what this niggas argument is. Someone tell me. Please. And don't tell me what you assume his argument is. Tell me what you got from his actual post what his argument is.

Man fuck you and your American cheerleaders, gonna reload and come back with that knockout blow, your only argument so far has been "DC will get to choose how it spends tax money" when was the last time you signed off on a new road being built? your argument is bullshit the government will spend that money however it wants and the people will follow suit or bitch and moan like in every other city!

You also fucked up when you said people in DC have no federal representation to change laws or enact them. That's not entirely true, they are allowed to vote in federal elections (The Presidency) and can vote for a representative, but the Representative has limited powers, he or she can introduce bills into the house but is not allowed to vote on them (conflict of interest)

Originally they wouldn't make DC a state because the founders didn't want the place where laws were decided to have such great power and be a tyrant to itself and possibly the nation. It's actually in the constitution.

Paragraph 1: Trying (unsuccessfully) to attack a clear, cogent point that I've made. The government will spend money however Congress tells them to spend it. And you elect your congressman at the state level. Since Washington D.C. is not a state, they have no voting congressional representatives, and therefore no voice when it comes time to decide on such matters.

Paragraph 2: Trying (unsuccessfully) to attack another clear, cogent point that I've made. Yes, DC residents can vote for President and have electoral votes. But, by and large, the President doesn't promise, create or approve laws, does he? So who does? Congress! And by now, you should know that DC - since it isn't a gotdamn state - has no voting members of Congress. Thus, they have no voice at all when it comes to what the actual President does. You would have know what a shitty counter--argument that was had you had any clue about how the United States government works.

Paragraph 3. Trying to explain why DC was not made a state initially. The purpose of which, I have no gotdamn idea.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm an American. And like most Americans, I only know one language. However, if ever there was a time that I wished I knew another, it is today. Because maybe then I could find a way to request the following in a way that my opponent could understand, since it's clear he doesn't:

PLEASE TELL ME YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT WHY DC SHOULD NOT BECOME A STATE



No amount of anger, hostility or panic is gonna save you, @Preach2Teach. Remember, YOU asked for this. It's amazing how your tone has changed from the time you first posted that Drago picture to now. By now, surely you'v realized what a terrible mistake you made.

I've explained that DC residents are still required to pay federal taxes, but have no voting members of Congress or the Senate. Granting them statehood would resolve this by giving them 2 senators and X amount Congressional representatives.

I've explained that DC residents are not even really allowed to govern themselves since their city budget, laws, proposals, etc, all have to be approved by Congress and why that is problematic. Granting them statehood would resolve this by bring them under the umbrella of their state government for such approvals.

I then shot a hole in pretty much every one of your extraordinarily shitty counter-arguments. And now I'm here, again, asking you for some semblance of a reason for why you think DC should not become a state, since that is the side of the argument that you were assigned.

But let it not be said that I'm a monster. I know the value of mercy. I asked you before the debate even started if you wanted to forfeit. You refused. I gave you the chance to tag @HundredEyes in so that maybe he could muster up a better defense. Here I am again, with all the kindness I can scrape together, asking you if you want to concede. Your teammate @CeLLaR-DooR has already shown you the way.

It's ok to give up and save face. It's not really even your fault. You just ran into a real one. Next time you'll know better.

Now do you want to continue this embarrassing performance? If so, PLEASE start your next post by answering the question that I've been asking you for the last 3 posts.

Your turn, Tommy Gunn.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

My argument is clear -- The founders didn't want to give congress the power to exercise executive control and at the same time decide the fate of the nation because of potential conflict of interest. The District of Colombia can't be a state onto itself, given that the rule of the Nation per the Constitution has to be measured with the rule of the State. If the state of DC were to have both state and national rights, how could a congress and executive branch not be held to the Constitution ? In giving them all that power you're potentially giving lobbyists direct influence to affect state affairs and executive legislation. That is why DC today is NOT a state and won't become one. You need to define "no representation" better in your arguments. It shouldn't become a state because it doesn't need to be and it gives tremendous power to lobbyists, and government officials, I think as broken as politics appear to be in America, the last thing to do would be to give officials even more power by making DC a state. That's how and why it's founders did that. By your logic, the capitol of every place should be a province and or state.

Tax dollars aren't a sole reason to make a capital a state because taxes are paid regardless and will be allocated to DC. You said people have no representation to vote or enact bills - that was false they can vote and elect officials just those officials are limited in power. DC can still enjoy all the perks a state would without actually giving officials more power than they need. It's set forth in the constitution. Why would you arm an already broken congress with even more power the likes of which it can use to eradicate cities, minority groups and people they think are a threat to the status quo ? How is arming your officials with that much more power going to help the plight of minorities (black people, Latinos, women, gays and lesbians) who are the future of the nation ? Especially for the next 4 years with Trump and the white supremacists that follow him and occupy all 3 branches of government ? It's not just about people it's about the big picture. For a DC native I'm not sure if you're aware of the ramifications and you're from there. Can you tell the audience and judges WHY DC wasn't made a state and what are the ramifications of it becoming one ?? You talk a lot of smack well the loudest one in the room is the weakest so you can be Ivan Drago, that movie ended with him as the loser and disgrace to his homeland and the foreigner being the one to overcome a country's ignorance with dignity, love and respect.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

My argument is clear -- The founders didn't want to give congress the power to exercise executive control and at the same time decide the fate of the nation because of potential conflict of interest. The District of Colombia can't be a state onto itself, given that the rule of the Nation per the Constitution has to be measured with the rule of the State. If the state of DC were to have both state and national rights, how could a congress and executive branch not be held to the Constitution ? In giving them all that power you're potentially giving lobbyists direct influence to affect state affairs and executive legislation. That is why DC today is NOT a state and won't become one. You need to define "no representation" better in your arguments. It shouldn't become a state because it doesn't need to be and it gives tremendous power to lobbyists, and government officials, I think as broken as politics appear to be in America, the last thing to do would be to give officials even more power by making DC a state. That's how and why it's founders did that. By your logic, the capitol of every place should be a province and or state.

Tax dollars aren't a sole reason to make a capital a state because taxes are paid regardless and will be allocated to DC. You said people have no representation to vote or enact bills - that was false they can vote and elect officials just those officials are limited in power. DC can still enjoy all the perks a state would without actually giving officials more power than they need. It's set forth in the constitution. Why would you arm an already broken congress with even more power the likes of which it can use to eradicate cities, minority groups and people they think are a threat to the status quo ? How is arming your officials with that much more power going to help the plight of minorities (black people, Latinos, women, gays and lesbians) who are the future of the nation ? Especially for the next 4 years with Trump and the white supremacists that follow him and occupy all 3 branches of government ? It's not just about people it's about the big picture. For a DC native I'm not sure if you're aware of the ramifications and you're from there. Can you tell the audience and judges WHY DC wasn't made a state and what are the ramifications of it becoming one ?? You talk a lot of smack well the loudest one in the room is the weakest so you can be Ivan Drago, that movie ended with him as the loser and disgrace to his homeland and the foreigner being the one to overcome a country's ignorance with dignity, love and respect.

Ah, there we go! This guy @Preach2Teach still has a heartbeat!! It's pumping Mountain Dew, but it's a heartbeat!! Thanks for finally joining the debate! It literally took you 4 rounds to come up with this piss poor argument.

The Constitution: The document created to govern the people of this country at the highest level. The document that HAS BEEN CHANGED AND AMENDED AND ALTERED whenever those in power determines that it was in the people's best interest to do so. The founders didn't want D.C. to be a state? That may very well be. The founders didn't want black people to be free, either. They didn't want a permanent income tax, either. They didn't want references to God or any other diety on government buildings, etc. The founders didn't want a lot of shit. Never have their opinions of how things should be been taken into consideration when trying to determine what is fair and acceptable in this day and age. So let's cut the bullshit.

And no one said that D.C. would have 'state and national' rights. Our government could very easily be seated somewhere else. In fact, the actual government buildings, infrastructure, etc, could remain exactly where, be absorbed into Virginia, while granting the actual residents of D.C. statehood and everything that goes with that. Problem solved. The actual nuts and bolts of the US government could continue without a hitch, Virgina would not gain any new residents as a result of this since our government leaders would only work there and not live there and we can end the unfair treatment our nation heaps upon D.C. residents. So let's cut the bullshit.

My contention that D.C. has no true congressional or senate representation isn't overstated or false. When you say that they are 'limited in power', please tell the people what those 'limitations' entail. They cannot VOTE ON BALLOT MEASURES OR LAWS OR BUDGETS OR ANYTHING ELSE. The truth of the matter is that any representative of a constituency...who has no right to VOTE on behalf of that constituency...is no representative at all.

CONGRESS: Ok, so let's vote on this new bill that forces people to only wear shoes on the weekends!

FAKE ASS DC REP: Wait a minute now. The people of DC like wearing shoes all week long! Let's talk about this!

CONGRESS: Sit in the corner indian-style and shut up, nigga. You got no voting rights here. You're lucky we invited you, clown!

FAKE ASS DC REP:



I think we all agree that since those people pay their taxes, they should have someone who can actually VOTE ON THEIR BEHALF when it matters. So let's cut the bullshit.

Also, the irony of you calling ME Ivan Drago is overwhelming. Let me remind you how this all started, fam:

@mryounggun

YOU decided to go jump out the window on some tough guy shit. YOU decided to use that pic and make those Rocky references. YOU chose to double down on it when I pointed out to you how stupid that was since Ivan Drago got his shit kicked in by Rocky. It was then that YOU finally figured out what a terrible mistake you made. Now YOU are the one getting your ass handed to you. So now YOU can sit over there in whatever shitty little country you're from and try to figure out where your life went wrong.

The floor is yours, post-Rocky I Apollo Creed.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

OK I am gonna wrap this up and keep it short, there is no need for me to try and impress you all with some bullshit sentences full of fancy words, I prefer to just strip this debate of all the bullshit and stick with the facts of the issue, Washington DC is already well represented in congress, are we forgetting that Washington DC is the capital of The United States Of America? I have already stated the most important reasons why DC should NOT become the 51st state I will not be repeating that it is already clear for the judges to read, and finally if DC was to be made the 51st state then that would be a direct violation of the constitution, the same constitution that is set in place to protect the American people, You really wanna just let them start chipping away at the constitution? once them floodgates are opened they will only begin to amend more constitutional rights, Furthermore, D.C. residents are represented by a second body, the Council of the District of Columbia, With the passage of the District of Columbia Home Rule Act in 1973, Congress ceded a portion of its authority to govern local affairs to a city council.

All this “Taxation Without Representation" talk is just a lie, it's clear to see that there is a shitload of valid reasons why DC should not be named the 51st state of America, only the simple minded fall for slogans like “Taxation Without Representation" without actually looking at the bigger picture, I will leave it at that, good luck @mryounggun

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I'll ask again before we waste the judges time:

Do we need bother judging this if my 'opponent' failed to adhere to the 24 hour time frame rule? @2stepz_ahead

he did give a warning that he'd be back later.....if he didnt show up to say that......it would be a forfeit.

i ask to at least give us a heads up if a nigga gone be late an he did....so to the judges

 

[Preach2Teach]

I'll ask again before we waste the judges time:

Do we need bother judging this if my 'opponent' failed to adhere to the 24 hour time frame rule? @2stepz_ahead

 

[mryounggun]

I'll ask again before we waste the judges time:

Do we need bother judging this if my 'opponent' failed to adhere to the 24 hour time frame rule? @2stepz_ahead

he did give a warning that he'd be back later.....if he didnt show up to say that......it would be a forfeit.

i ask to at least give us a heads up if a nigga gone be late an he did....so to the judges

Cool. Judges, get the fuck in here.

 

[AP21]

Younggun came out firing...and i was willing to concede it to him based off his initial post, but Preach came through and eloquently responded and kept at it

gotta go with Teach2Preach on this one

 

[CapitalB]

awwwww shit..

the fix is in!!!

 

[lamontbdc]

Holmes Norton isn't proper representation and this feds run everything argument in DC so they shouldn't be trusted is lame. if you knew the clowns that i knwo that actually work for the federal government you wouldn't be so afraid. The feds got offices all over. Shit many goverment agencies aren't even in DC. FBI bout to move to MD or VA. Not to mention a lot of thier labs and testing sites are already in VA. NSA is in MD. CIA and State departments are in VA. Shit is scattered all over.

man they carried the fuck outta us when they dropped all the quarters for each state and forgot about us...i think Puerto Rico even got a fucking quarter...my grandfather was beefing hard bout that one

 

[Bussy_Getta]

Imma give it to younggun, his points made more sense to me plus preach was gettin trolled into his feelings lol

 

[CapitalB]

Imma give it to younggun, his points made more sense to me plus preach was gettin trolled into his feelings lol

 

[Preach2Teach]

Imma give it to younggun, his points made more sense to me plus preach was gettin trolled into his feelings lol

Was there a problem with my pay pay payment? I still wanna have sex with you if you ever come to England.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Younggun the assassin

Preach lost before he started.

 

[yellowtapesport]

Preach had his moments..but his argument that taxation without representation is a lie is damn near disrespectful to the hard-working niggas of this city lmao

 

[CapitalB]

Younggun came out firing...and i was willing to concede it to him based off his initial post, but Preach came through and eloquently responded and kept at it

gotta go with Teach2Preach on this one

first this shit THEN I jus seen u in the Reason voting off Deathrow..

my nigga!!?

if u wasnt a judge and had to vote on my topic id fight u! hahahahha

 

[2stepz_ahead]

shouldn't be a state cause its the capital...end debate

 

[2stepz_ahead]

philly was once the capital and its a city.....

leave it that way

 

[2stepz_ahead]

wait...

murder capital at a point and capitol of the US....

shit we special...no retard

 

[yellowtapesport]

But bro, philly is apart of a state..and therefore benefits in state programs, policies, funding, etc..

Which is all done on a much higher scale, then DC, which has the same population as more than half the states!!

Like homie said above, everything is federal, so when niggas get jammed, it's federal. Imagine getting six months for a weed charge in DC, and doing your time UPSTATE NEW YORK...it happens, all the time.

Statehood would build to solve shit like that, build a STATE jail, better schools and roads, etc....