SheerExcellence;9296192 said:
Kurt cobain was openly insulting to guns n roses and motley crew and would say he never fucked with their albums. Young artists have always shown this disrespect, not ALL, but it's not unheard of.
I hear, and you make some good points, but I think you're stretching the truth a bit. Like others have pointed out, Cobain highly admired many of his "elders," everyone from the Beatles to even Public Enemy. I thought his beef with Pearl Jam, Guns N Roses, etc., was more about personal matters and creative differences.
SheerExcellence;9296192 said:
Led zeppelin was panned by most critics when they came out and even today many ppl still view them as over the top, arrogant, self indulgent, and played overly dramatic "poppy" rock. Punk music came about because young rockers hated all the bullshit people like led zepplin represented.
It's not surprising that Led Zeppelin, like any divergent innovator, was panned, but it always takes time to appreciate those kind of artists. Still, Zeppelin was influenced by many predecessors and influenced many successors.
Punk rockers rebelled against their immediate predecessors, but they idolized 50s/60s rock.
SheerExcellence;9296192 said:
This idea of a happy group of rockers from led zepplin to kiss to poison, to rolling stones to nirvana to linkin psrk to whoever is popular now...all sitting around at a table knowing each other's music and paying homage to each other is simply not true.
Agreed, but it's a bit more complicated than that. Rock is a huge genre filled with so many subgenres. The succession of musicians gets a lot smoother when you look at those specific subgenres, imo.
SheerExcellence;9296192 said:
The same exact thing ppl are mad abt with yatchy they said the SAME EXACT SHIT in 1992 when the grunge rock guys were dissing the metal bands like ac/dc and guns n roses....
Yeah, but one could argue that grunge owes more of its inheritance from punk/alternative. Cobain, for instance, loved everything from the Pixies to the Stooges.
SheerExcellence;9296192 said:
I'm telling you man this is nothing new. Frank Sinatra thought elvis didn't pay him any respect because Elvis said i don't listen to that. Then Elvis didn't like the Beatles because they didn't like his crap music.... Then the punk rockets like Sid viscous said Beatles were bullshit, then guns n roses said punk rock was bullshit them nirvana said guns n roses is bullshit
Yeah, but again, I think it becomes more congruous when you look at the subgenres and the more direct lineages. Swing music (Sinatra) doesn't have a strong transition to "classic" rock (Elvis). I bet Elvis was a bigger fan of country and rhythm and blues than swing.
SheerExcellence;9296192 said:
Please stop fooling yourself to think this is new to hip hop. If anything it's simply the same ol think going on. Young kids asserting their claim on art and old folks getting mad that their time had passed.
Yeah, but I still think it's a bit more complicated. Lil Yachty, or whatever his name is, clearly wasn't borne from Biggie and Pac. But he
does have influences from elders, whomever they may be. Just because they're not Biggie or Pac doesn't mean anyone needs to get on their high horse and condemn the "new nigga" generation.
If anything, this just shows how rap has evolved into many different subgenres, many of which are up for debate on whether they even constitute rap. Question: what will "rap" really look like 50 years from now? I think it will look very different from today or yesterday, either for better or for worse. Remember, rap is relatively still young. My pops is older than rap.
SheerExcellence;9296192 said:
It's COOL if a young kid likes biggie or tupac, but sorry folks, it doesn't have to be a requirement. They aren't us. They have different experiences and a different world.
Agreed. I'm a 90s head, but you people are playing the "purest" card a little too hard. They all can't be Biggie or Pac fans. C'mon, get over yourself. Let's be real here.