Kanye West is a Modern Day Michelangelo

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I feel like Lord Jamar right now, lmao... *rant sequence engaged*

To any negative comments about my post (too many to pick), that's not my opinion on what it should be, but that's how it is now. I get what Kanye is saying, but he's doing it poorly. He's a jack of all trades, but a master of none. He got critical reviews on Yeezus (LOL @ taking a critic's word over an actual person's), but in reality the people ain't fuckin with it. Then you have people like Kendrick, Cole, Drake (hate that I gotta add him), and all these other new cats that actually catch the PEOPLE'S attention in a positive way, whether or not the critics like them. And they sell, so people are buying the music legitimately. I just so happen to mention Em and Mackelmore, who are white, which was an example of my point that white people can take shit from us so easily. I'm not saying it's happened, this is still our shit. Hip hop, positive or negative, will be always be synonymous with us.

The problem is, we don't support our own people, and other people don't give a fuck about us. We don't go out and buy their records, some rightfully so (get to that later). Next thing you know, you look up, and two of the highest selling artists are white (Em pending). Why are people buying more Mackelmore albums than Kanye albums, even though Kanye's is supposedly better? Cuz people, black, white, whatever... buy music they like. Hip hop is prolly still one of the highest selling genres, but it's at its lowest point sales wise (not dictating the greatness of the music btw, can't stress that enough). And just like the 80s, and just like the 2000s... the highest selling artist is white. And why is that? I'm sure there's more than 1 million people in the world so a hip hop artist not named Eminem, Jay and Wayne can crack platinum. Cuz we don't buy our records. I mean, look at rock. Elvis didn't just take rock, it happened over a period of time. While black people abandoned rock in the 70s, groups like Pink Floyd and Rush kept making innovative music. Now, when people think rock, they don't think just Elvis. They think the Beatles, Floyd, Rush, Metallica, Nirvana, etc. Cuz those guys kept pushing the envelope and even starting their own subgenres and eras. And that's not a judgement call by the critics, who initially shitted on them in the first place. That was cemented by the people. Yeah, we have Jimi Hendrix, George Clinton, Nile Rogers and a few others, but it stops there.

Kanye is our Jimi Hendrix. Son changed the game over and over. But he and people that fuck with him think because Yeezus got accepted by the critics, it's accepted by everyone. It isn't. The public is shittin on Kanye. Musically and personally. And that's not my opinion, I think Kanye is dope, even when he is wack. I grew to like Yeezus and I think he should push those boundaries, that's what I'm rooting forBut look at the comments in Kanye posts on the IC alone. Look at the comments on Worldstar. Look at comments in every article about Kanye. Fuck the internet, talk to people on the street. Ask people you don't know about him. Hip hop heads, regular people, casual listeners, whatever. He barely cracked gold this time for a reason. As of right now, the PEOPLE (once again, not me) think he sucks.

My thing is this... I understand Kanye. I think what he's doing is dope. I think he did help make rap the prime culture of America and parts of the world. I believe he can push us and himself to the next level. He is the first person in the mainstream, especially mainstream rap, to discuss true spiritual freedom, but he's doing it half assed. He at one point replaced Redman and Em as my favorite rapper up until just now when MMLP2 and Red's new mixtape came out, and for good reason. As much I said I like Yeezus, he could've done waaaaaaaaaay better, and I think MMLP2 and The Heist are better albums... fuck it, sue me. I don't give a fuck what the critics or other people think. And a lot of people feel the same, doesn't matter if they're black or white.

 
If he wants people to fuck with him on his dream to innovate, take it to the next level and become the true gods we are, he's gotta be as humble and respectful as he was when he first came out. Even though he was arrogant, he still had respect for himself and the culture, and in turn people respected him... ALL people. That's how hip hop is. Yeah, we arrogant, but also we a culture of respect. We learn it growing up, and we spread it to others. Them fashion niggas don't respect SHIT. They'll never respect you unless you get in the infrastructure and change it entirely. Eliminate the sexism, racism, classism, get them reptilian niggas outta there and then you can do whatever you want in there. Til then, it's their arena, and they're not gonna let you in unless you're like them. The problem is, we are increasingly not respecting our own shit. Niggas are slowly abandoning rap as an artform, the ones we did respect are falling off and are becoming arrogant through money and things they barely have control over, and people are slowly hating themselves as people. I mean, just look around you... it's a lot deeper than Kanye. It's all of us. Isn't it ironic that the Wu and Black Eyed Peas are equally as popular in the public, even though the Peas have tried to cater to that world by abandoning their sound, and the Wu has been consistent in making street music that the machine doesn't support? Cuz the machine don't give a fuck about us, once the people stop buying records or lose interest, the machine turns you into "anonymous".

Which comes back to my point... why do you think RZA can easily get work to this day, even though the radio hasn't played a new Wu song in years, and Kanye is bitchin about getting the right contract in some fashion company when he's got the machine behind him? Cuz he was humble, respectful of hip hop, and in turn had respect for people. Kept it hip hop, and at the same time studied the craft and worked at it. Now he can direct and score his own movies, and can now do anything he wants if he makes the right moves. He's had his hand in games, fashion, everything that Kanye is ambitious about. And also speaks respectfully, even though it's hard to sit through that Barbra Walters accent. Kanye at one point was just like RZA. Hand his hand in different projects, setting off a chain reaction of successful people creatively and commercially. Nowadays, he's some whitewashed dumbass that talks about shit without properly explaining it and breaking down the math, leading people to think he's crazy. Which is fine, if that's what he wants to do. But you can't break through if you aren't puttin up the work that you say you can do. And for the record, that whole anti establishment shit is moot, cuz they're playing Black Skinhead in car commercials. Which he prolly knows, that might just be his genius working. But people see through the bullshit, and will turn on him eventually. And it won't be no symbolic Jesus shit where he was killed for talking too much... he's just gonna be stuck where he's at or worse cuz he can't conduct himself like a fuckin man in public. And I'm not saying Kanye should not speak his mind. But if the words aren't matching up to the actions, and you're an arrogant dickhead on top of that, the people will lose respect for you, you will lose your status and your cause will be useless.

Kanye thinks that it's OK to leave our culture (which he is clearly doing, I mean look at him) and jump in the fashion world, where them niggas don't even give a fuck about people in general, let alone us. I mean, look at the Barney's situation. I'm not saying he shouldn't pursue fashion and architecture, I think that's dope as fuck. But if he does that, he needs to retain the greatness and the humility he once did when he first dropped. He's not just them... hell, he's not just us. He's universal, he should conduct himself as such he wants to get where he wants to go. He wants to shatter the glass ceiling, but he can't if he can't properly manage to juggle both the machine and the people. And if you think I'm being ideal, racist, hating or whatever... this isn't my opinion, this is truth. Arrogance will kill you. I mean, look how they did Irv and Dame Dash, and they were both unstoppable at one point. Now white people own their labels. Now they can't get back to where they were cuz they were arrogant pricks. Like it or not, as a people, black, white, male, female, whatever... all we have is hip hop right now, fashion is their shit. We gotta maintain our roots and respect the culture, cuz if we so happen to lose our footing in hip hop, them mufuckas are not gonna let us in their shit... not without a fight.

 
Dog you niggas really need to get out of this little bubble ... Kanye album is one of the best selling records of the year without a real marketing push (which shouldnt be ignored) and he's on tour right now performing all of the songs that people you claim "arnt feeling" the market is bigger than just the niggas your exposed to ..his audience is bigger than that to ..this whole narrative about people not feeling his shit is intellectually dishonest and inaccurate

So is this bullshit about him being humble and respectful when he first came out?!? Why y'all niggas keep typing shit like this? That nigga was never on some humble respectful shit lol .. Other than that you had some good general points about the industry tho here and there but overall that shit is full of innacurate blah blah blah ... You need to get some facts straight bruh
 
@Lab Baby Niggas aint reading that young novel you just published. Word of the day for you brethren is Concision.
 
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JDSTAYWITIT.;6434770 said:
Dog you niggas really need to get out of this little bubble ... Kanye album is one of the best selling records of the year without a real marketing push (which shouldnt be ignored) and he's on tour right now performing all of the songs that people you claim "arnt feeling" the market is bigger than just the niggas your exposed to ..his audience is bigger than that to ..this whole narrative about people not feeling his shit is intellectually dishonest and inaccurate

So is this bullshit about him being humble and respectful when he first came out?!? Why y'all niggas keep typing shit like this? That nigga was never on some humble respectful shit lol .. Other than that you had some good general points about the industry tho here and there but overall that shit is full of innacurate blah blah blah ... You need to get some facts straight bruh

The marketing push is in front of your face. Kanye talking about it constantly, him proposing to Kim Kardashian on TV, the rants, the controversy... it's all to keep Kanye's name in the people's conscious. I'm not saying Yeezus is unanimously bad, I'm just saying I'm hearing and seeing more negative than good, from more than just my "little bubble". And I know about Kanye. This the same man that said he was gonna be Michael Jackson before his first album dropped. But got damn if I don't think CD is the Thriller of hip hop, and I stand behind that. The difference is, he made it his business to back up his word. He put out product that people liked, and genuinely fucked with the people. His arrogance was against the media that doubted him. But now, you see that he's losing himself. And not even becoming someone different, which would've been fine. Nothing wrong with change. But he's becoming the same people that don't even want him to succeed, and then not even using their tactics correctly. Then on top of that, he's not even 100% in his work. 5 mufuckas writing one song?... scust. I don't know what he's doing in the fashion world, but he's obviously not satisfied with the results. All I'm saying is if he wants to do that, he's gotta show up with the same tenacity he had initially in the rap game, which even you gotta admit he's not doing 100% in. And I say humility, cuz humility shows in the work... cuz it proves that you stopped talking about being great and actually started BEING great.
 
The Recipe;6434799 said:
@Lab Baby Niggas aint reading that young novel you just published. Word of the day for you brethren is Concision.

That's them. Niggas wanna talk Michelangelo and Kanye being a genius, but can't take the time to read some shit, even if the opinion is way off. No shots intended, just pointing out the irony.
 
Lab Baby;6434832 said:
JDSTAYWITIT.;6434770 said:
Dog you niggas really need to get out of this little bubble ... Kanye album is one of the best selling records of the year without a real marketing push (which shouldnt be ignored) and he's on tour right now performing all of the songs that people you claim "arnt feeling" the market is bigger than just the niggas your exposed to ..his audience is bigger than that to ..this whole narrative about people not feeling his shit is intellectually dishonest and inaccurate

So is this bullshit about him being humble and respectful when he first came out?!? Why y'all niggas keep typing shit like this? That nigga was never on some humble respectful shit lol .. Other than that you had some good general points about the industry tho here and there but overall that shit is full of innacurate blah blah blah ... You need to get some facts straight bruh

The marketing push is in front of your face. Kanye talking about it constantly, him proposing to Kim Kardashian on TV, the rants, the controversy... it's all to keep Kanye's name in the people's conscious. I'm not saying Yeezus is unanimously bad, I'm just saying I'm hearing and seeing more negative than good, from more than just my "little bubble". And I know about Kanye. This the same man that said he was gonna be Michael Jackson before his first album dropped. But got damn if I don't think CD is the Thriller of hip hop, and I stand behind that. The difference is, he made it his business to back up his word. He put out product that people liked, and genuinely fucked with the people. His arrogance was against the media that doubted him. But now, you see that he's losing himself. And not even becoming someone different, which would've been fine. Nothing wrong with change. But he's becoming the same people that don't even want him to succeed, and then not even using their tactics correctly. Then on top of that, he's not even 100% in his work. 5 mufuckas writing one song?... scust. I don't know what he's doing in the fashion world, but he's obviously not satisfied with the results. All I'm saying is if he wants to do that, he's gotta show up with the same tenacity he had initially in the rap game, which even you gotta admit he's not doing 100% in. And I say humility, cuz humility shows in the work... cuz it proves that you stopped talking about being great and actually started BEING great.

None of that stuff you mentioned came pre album drop .. The album was announced then dropped a month later he had one TV appearance no radio rounds no real interviews no exposure with a hit single and still sold well ..if your not going to acknowledge that these descions were concious and had an obvious effect on the sales of the cd then hey..it is what it is .. But it seems pretty obvious this wasn't that type of album designed to sell a million first week ..they didnt put the machine around it to produce that kind of success ..but like I said all that shit is really moot anyways as the album is one of the highest selling rap records of the year .. You can't be sitting here telling me about albums sales are a problem when the shit is gold and still pushing ...lol that fundamentally makes no sense

Again tho like I said you have your personal gripes against him and his current product but the fact of the matter is people outside of your bubble are fucking with this shit in droves .. That's just the facts bruh..people don't care that he used 5peole to write a song .. Why does that even matter anyways? Lol some of your points of contention seem rather petty and inconsequential as well as contradictory so im not gonna touch on everything but honestly your whole point is that he's loosing people because he's loosing himself right? But can you honestly say that he's any less relevant in music today than he ever was?

 
Elrawd;6433608 said:
Well the MMLPII leak is getting torn to shreds by ze critics

I don't remember making this post.

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JDSTAYWITIT.;6434922 said:
None of that stuff you mentioned came pre album drop .. The album was announced then dropped a month later he had one TV appearance no radio rounds no real interviews no exposure with a hit single and still sold well ..if your not going to acknowledge that these descions were concious and had an obvious effect on the sales of the cd then hey..it is what it is .. But it seems pretty obvious this wasn't that type of album designed to sell a million first week ..they didnt put the machine around it to produce that kind of success ..but like I said all that shit is really moot anyways as the album is one of the highest selling rap records of the year .. You can't be sitting here telling me about albums sales are a problem when the shit is gold and still pushing ...lol that fundamentally makes no sense

Again tho like I said you have your personal gripes against him and his current product but the fact of the matter is people outside of your bubble are fucking with this shit in droves .. That's just the facts bruh..people don't care that he used 5peole to write a song .. Why does that even matter anyways? Lol some of your points of contention seem rather petty and inconsequential as well as contradictory so im not gonna touch on everything but honestly your whole point is that he's loosing people because he's loosing himself right? But can you honestly say that he's any less relevant in music today than he ever was?

Regardless of what I think, you think, or the media thinks... people hate more Kanye more than ever, and he was pretty hated before. He stated it himself, and he continues to carry on tradition. Plus teamed up with the most hated celebrity in America? If you can't see that, I don't know what else to show you. Yeah, Yeezus is one of the highest selling albums, and prolly the most critically acclaimed. BTW, droves is an exaggeration. It's not like he's doing Thriller numbers, even with an album like this. Speaking of Em, Relapse was the same album... that shit shouldn't have sold what it did. It was filled with psychopathic shit, it had two singles that charted and disappeared, and aside from his late night rounds, received very little promo from the machine. That shit sold off Em's name and word of mouth. Kanye has the same pull in the industry... so why hasn't this album sold?

All I'm saying is, his arrogance doesn't back up his work. Yes, at a point he was a genius. But leaning on other creators (credit given or not), then expecting to gain respect in the same industry that doesn't respect you, all the while losing your footing in the industry that bred you (who was the last person aside from his affiliates that requested a Kanye beat?)... I just think this is a delusional dude with fucked up priorities. He said it himself in an interview... "I'm not 100% into music". So it's not even my opinion anymore... it shows he himself isn't as dedicated to his music as we are of it, but he is waaaaaaay more dedicated to himself than we are.

But opinions are irrelevant in this case. The only factor that can be proven is... do the people stand behind Kanye? Yes, he's relevant as ever, but for the wrong reasons. Every Kanye album he has backed up his arrogance (LMAO @ people thinking I said he was always humble). The same Kanye fresh off pissing off white America by interrupting Taylor Swift can sell a mill and a half with little promo, in a worse climate (only one new rapper cracked gold/platinum in '10). What's different now? Jay can go plat in a day, and Ye has been selling more than him since 07. Mackelmore can go plat on an indie label, so there's no race card to even play. Even dudes like Ross, who have no appeal outside of their core base, can sell in this climate. Ye is none of those people. "No promo" is no excuse for Kanye. WTT went plat with no real single til NIP like a month or so later. He can and should be able to go platinum from word of mouth. But the machine, the same people that he's turning to for that creative freedom, paint him as a white washed, self hating, racist, misogynistic, anti-Christian lunatic (NOT MY OPINION), and take emphasis away from the message in his music. And some people buy into that, a lot more people than you think. He definitely alienated a lot of Christians with that Yeezus shit. My problem is, he doesn't correctly put such controversial topics in its proper perspective. He just expects people to get it and give him respect just cuz he's Kanye and he needs it. I'm not gonna sit here and explain how Yeezus dropped the ball in delivering that message, I'd be typing all day. But how can Kanye carry out his mission if he can't get the public behind it?

I'm not saying NOBODY checks for Kanye, saying so would be stupid. But, he's slowly alienating himself from people, which he needs for his cause. And as much as some people don't care about Kanye as a person, the machine cares about him even less. They don't care about any of us. Kanye needs to stop chasing them and accomplish those dreams by other means. He has to get the people behind his MUSIC, because people respect him as a musician, and the Kanye I know can get the people behind him if he was on his CD shit. Regardless if they buy it or not, they have to get the message in its entirety. He can't have zombies following him, no progress will happen. Wu and RZA had the same problem. They had an entire plan with spreading universal knowledge, but people just blindly followed the music without any real perspective. Once the jiggy era came, the Wu never obtained that same success again. The difference was, then the people weren't ready. Now I think the people are waking up. I'm not saying Kanye COMPLETELY fell off, nor am I saying everyone hates Kanye. If I did at any point, my bad. But he's gotta stay in touch with the people, and stay dedicated to his true craft, cuz both are the reason he's here in the first place, and will be the reason he takes pop culture to the next level like he wants to.

 
Lab Baby;6435391 said:
JDSTAYWITIT.;6434922 said:
Again tho like I said you have your personal gripes against him and his current product but the fact of the matter is people outside of your bubble are fucking with this shit in droves .. That's just the facts bruh..people don't care that he used 5peole to write a song .. Why does that even matter anyways? Lol some of your points of contention seem rather petty and inconsequential as well as contradictory so im not gonna touch on everything but honestly your whole point is that he's loosing people because he's loosing himself right? But can you honestly say that he's any less relevant in music today than he ever was?

All I'm saying is, his arrogance doesn't back up his work. Yes, at a point he was a genius. But leaning on other creators (credit given or not), then expecting to gain respect in the same industry that doesn't respect you, all the while losing your footing in the industry that bred you (who was the last person aside from his affiliates that requested a Kanye beat?)... I just think this is a delusional dude with fucked up priorities. He said it himself in an interview... "I'm not 100% into music". So it's not even my opinion anymore... it shows he himself isn't as dedicated to his music as we are of it, but he is waaaaaaay more dedicated to himself than we are.

But opinions are irrelevant in this case. The only factor that can be proven is... do the people stand behind Kanye? Yes, he's relevant as ever, but for the wrong reasons. Every Kanye album he has backed up his arrogance (LMAO @ people thinking I said he was always humble). The same Kanye fresh off pissing off white America by interrupting Taylor Swift can sell a mill and a half with little promo, in a worse climate (only one new rapper cracked gold/platinum in '10). What's different now? Jay can go plat in a day, and Ye has been selling more than him since 07. Mackelmore can go plat on an indie label, so there's no race card to even play. Even dudes like Ross, who have no appeal outside of their core base, can sell in this climate. Ye is none of those people. "No promo" is no excuse for Kanye. WTT went plat with no real single til NIP like a month or so later. He can and should be able to go platinum from word of mouth. But the machine, the same people that he's turning to for that creative freedom, paint him as a white washed, self hating, racist, misogynistic, anti-Christian lunatic (NOT MY OPINION), and take emphasis away from the message in his music. And some people buy into that, a lot more people than you think. He definitely alienated a lot of Christians with that Yeezus shit. My problem is, he doesn't correctly put such controversial topics in its proper perspective. He just expects people to get it and give him respect just cuz he's Kanye and he needs it. I'm not gonna sit here and explain how Yeezus dropped the ball in delivering that message, I'd be typing all day. But how can Kanye carry out his mission if he can't get the public behind it?

I'm not saying NOBODY checks for Kanye, saying so would be stupid. But, he's slowly alienating himself from people, which he needs for his cause. And as much as some people don't care about Kanye as a person, the machine cares about him even less. They don't care about any of us. Kanye needs to stop chasing them and accomplish those dreams by other means. He has to get the people behind his MUSIC, because people respect him as a musician, and the Kanye I know can get the people behind him if he was on his CD shit. Regardless if they buy it or not, they have to get the message in its entirety. He can't have zombies following him, no progress will happen. Wu and RZA had the same problem. They had an entire plan with spreading universal knowledge, but people just blindly followed the music without any real perspective. Once the jiggy era came, the Wu never obtained that same success again. The difference was, then the people weren't ready. Now I think the people are waking up. I'm not saying Kanye COMPLETELY fell off, nor am I saying everyone hates Kanye. If I did at any point, my bad. But he's gotta stay in touch with the people, and stay dedicated to his true craft, cuz both are the reason he's here in the first place, and will be the reason he takes pop culture to the next level like he wants to.

Kanye at his peak was never anywhere near being comparable to Em's peak in regards to sales .. I mean you can compare them if you want for entertainment purposes but bro we all know Em's numbers are inflated due to his race so like I said I don't get your point in brining him into this conversation you know.. Also I think your being a little dramatic yes people don't like kanye yes people don't "like" Kim buuuuttt they also have people who do invest time into them and into their outputs regardless of how they feel about them personally ..all those people watching that TV show don't hate the kardashians bruh their popular because like it or not there's lots of folks that mess with them ..their polorizing figures ...that's all it is ..

Like I said tho reading your stuff its really jumbled and convoluted like ..what kind of question is "how many people asked for a kanye beat" ??? Lol nigga who knows...I know you don't ..more than likely the logical answer is he dosent want to occupy his time producing for other niggas anymore ..he dosent have to ..he's a star in his own right what's the point of trying to get your beats out to others when you've reached a status where you can put out your own shit out yourself at will or hand pick who you give your product to..

Secondly you think MBDTF had no promo? You mean the album he did a movie for? The album he took over MTV with after closing down the VMAs? The album that introduced us to Good Fridays? Really bro bro? That album got promoted for like 8-9 months hard before it dropped again I don't know what your talking about ..

Jayz had a national campaign for his album bro ..tied into the sale of a new commodity in the market

You don't see how these things tie into album sales bruh?

Anyways tho ..good chat bruh I see where your coming from I just think your being a little dramatic with what your saying I think people mess with him in enough of a way to where he can get te things done that he wants to get done ... He's an entertainer a passoniate one at that and an artist .. I don't know exactly what you mean by he needs the people behind him to "do what he wants" ..it sounds like your expecting something a little more out of him than need be ..he's not a social activist in a strict sense ..he's a creator that's were I leave it at
 
Elrawd;505362 said:
It’s almost difficult to write anything about Kanye. He just says it all himself. Like he did yesterday morning on L.A.’s Power 106 when he said this:

Everybody got some advice for me, you know what I mean, like, ‘I don’t like the way you goin’ about doin’ it’ and ‘Michael Jackson never did this.’ I said, ‘I ain’t Michael Jackson.’ I’m not just a musician — I’m a Christian revolutionary visionary products person. I ain’t here to dance for y’all. I ain’t here to do a two-step. That’s just a piece, that was just my end. And now I wanna create, I wanna create content. I mean, eventually, ten years from now, I just wanna create for the church, period. I’m Christian, I’mma design the new Sistine Chapel(s).​

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Does Kanye even play any instruments to call him self a musician? If not he just a music artist/songwriter which different than a musician.
 

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