Joe Budden: “Hip-Hop has the worst audience of all genres.”

[Daniel Plainview]

Hip Hop has the worse fans out of all genres

obvious fact statement

 

[Soho Fresco]

It's crazy because although I agree with Budden, his points go on wasted ears, and don't matter. He made those statements and then probably went and made a song in the studio later than night. You rap, you know the business, you obviously understand how this particular part of the industry is. All he did by saying all of that was alienate himself from a part of his fan base. It's sad but it's true ...

 

[N YO HOOD]

rap and rnb fans are fickle you can just look around, old rock and country bands can still sell out stadiums, wheres the old hiphop guys, old rnb guys why they cant get together and tour,ill tell you why because the fickle fans wouldn't come out to see them,i can hear them now look at them old ass niggas trying to rap

 

[esco soprano]

Joe was right. Nice debate going in the video.

 

[The 3mcee]

1st off Joe Budden is protecting his boss

2nd niggas do fall off

3rd how many other genres have artists signing to other artists and stopping them from putting out music

4th what other genre has the artists and labels devalued the music

Jimi Hendrix and Eminem are not a good comparsion . Blacks created Rock music and Jimi Hendrix changed the

game at the time with his style of play. What has Eminem done to change the game? On another note some

Rock fans shit on artists they don't like ,say the current state of the music suck and only listen to old shit. Once a

rock band switch or go commercial they don't fuck with them no more (ie Fall Out Boy). Paramore and King of

Leon get shitted on all the time. So what is we talking about really.

Excellent post!!!!!! The shit is the same besides rock having way more fans due to the way its marketed and who it is marketed too. You have a shit load of people who think there indie bands music is better than the people getting radio play, just like all these rappers on the block who think they better than the rappers getting airplay. There are way more people who listen to rock and country because the demographic that listens to that shit has more disposable income than Hip Hop!!!! They keep the interest going for there favorite artist because they can afford to see them and buy there albums.

 

[yaboytheflashh]

This isn't a just a music issue though... This is a society issue. The African American community in general (which happens to be the majority of the hip hop fanbase) has an HUGE issue with respect of Elders and deference. We have become the culture of cynics... It became really cool to discredit someone no matter who they are. So its a root issue that affects that particular music genre... but lets not get it twisted its an "issue deeper than Rap"

nahh, most rap fans are white, so i think it's young people in general

 

[The 3mcee]

How is he wrong?

Besides Rock fans, Rap fans are the worst fans of any genre bar none, and the primary reason rap's audience is wack is because the audience is ignorant of history. Talk shop with the most vocal dumb-ass Rock music fan, and they can at least argue a point with 20, 30, and even 40 years worth of awareness about the genre. In the 21 years since I've been an active rap music fan, I have only encountered a handful of people offline with knowledge or awareness of the genre beyond what's on MTV/BET. Furthermore, most rap fans aren't "fans" beyond a hot beat. Everything but the most basic of wordplay goes over their heads. Metaphor is wack-ass Rock group or some "White shit." And if it ain't grippin' the pound, squirtin' the tool, dickin' her down, and ridin' round, most can't even focus on more than four sentences at one time before being "bored."

Look up a rap song's lyrics. Most of the "fans" who transcribe them don't even understand basic concepts of writing like metaphors, so they bastardize the lyrics with the "rhymes" and never ask, "Hmm, why would SNOOP DOGGY DOGG say, 'You a fee. And I'ma big dog. I'll scrap you off my pog with my muthafuckin' hogs' as opposed to 'You's a flea. And I'm the big dog. I'll scratch you off my balls with my muthafuckin' paws' like a, you know, DOG? LIKE THE WORD IN HIS NAME?" Hell, besides Rapgenius.com, the darkest dungeons of the Reason, and Sohh, I don't see any real intelligence in the fan base and the real intelligence that is there is snuffed by ageism and/or racism because God forbid a well-read 13-year-old knows more Rap history than a 30-year-old dude who listened to local radio and went to a Run-DMC Reunion concert or a White suburban kid buried himself in the underground and bought anything with the word rap on it. No. We're Black. We're Hip-Hop by D.N.Aw shut that bullshit up.

Glad to see Budden is finally paying attention to the media training Def Jam invested in him, though, and he didn't call a spade a spade and note the fanbase is (at least loudest vocally) represented by fucking retarded mouthbreathers.

I understand where you are coming from but I disagree a bit with your premiss. The reason I disagree with this notion that a lot of the younger generation of hip hop fans don't know about the older generation is the simple fact that the people they like are heavily influenced by these older artist just like any other genre. In all actuality Hip Hop name checks the people they are influenced by more than the other genre's of music. You can't listen to any Emcee or Rapper these days without them name dropping somebody from the past that they listened to. Rock and Country fans can also talk more about those art forms because they have been around way longer than Hip Hop. Like I and others have posted before there are many wack one hit wonders in all genre's of music.

Only the best of the best in any genre will be able to tour off name recognition alone years after there prime.

You also have to factor in the most important thing with Hip Hop. It is a genre a lot of people who can freely afford to spend money to see shows and buy albums don't really understand or want to listen too. For the simple reason that it doesn't appeal to them because they can't relate to what is being talked about. How many 40 and 50 year old middle class white people can relate to somebody talking about living in the projects? The most popular artist who can tour off name recognition talk about things that the people with money can relate too and that is why they will always sell records

 

[urmybitch]

Rap fans have short attention spans which is more a reflection of today's society. With social media dominating our every day lives and history transforming into something that happened 15 minutes ago, fans are more interested and involved into your every day lives. Granted the record companies and outside influences have had a big part in forming this music genre, the responsibility should be put on the rap fans shoulders for letting it get to this point. Most people point to Jay- Z or Diddy as a point of reference for how far Hip Hop has come but to me the whole point of Hip Hop was not to show how rich black or minorities in general could become but it was more about transforming the reality of the world and showcasing the horrible reality of the roles minorities played in this economic system called capitalism. I think the real question Hip Hop should ask is how much better has the quality of life become for minorities or urban kids and adults since the creation of Hip Hop, and how much has this genre contributed to this change. Anyone can get lucky when playing within rules of capitalism but thats the minority and the rest are left with just a dream and the reality that hits them everyday.

 

[MC The Rapper]

Joe Budden and niggas like him want to be at the forefront of the genre they want to get all the attention if Joe Budden was on 106th and Park,Getting Radio play

all the time He wouldn't have shit to say

 

[genocide_cutter]

I agree with joe

 

[CirocObama]

Rap fans have short attention spans which is more a reflection of today's society. With social media dominating our every day lives and history transforming into something that happened 15 minutes ago, fans are more interested and involved into your every day lives. Granted the record companies and outside influences have had a big part in forming this music genre, the responsibility should be put on the rap fans shoulders for letting it get to this point. Most people point to Jay- Z or Diddy as a point of reference for how far Hip Hop has come but to me the whole point of Hip Hop was not to show how rich black or minorities in general could become but it was more about transforming the reality of the world and showcasing the horrible reality of the roles minorities played in this economic system called capitalism. I think the real question Hip Hop should ask is how much better has the quality of life become for minorities or urban kids and adults since the creation of Hip Hop, and how much has this genre contributed to this change. Anyone can get lucky when playing within rules of capitalism but thats the minority and the rest are left with just a dream and the reality that hits them everyday.

Very good point. Props homie.

 

[CirocObama]

It's crazy because although I agree with Budden, his points go on wasted ears, and don't matter. He made those statements and then probably went and made a song in the studio later than night. You rap, you know the business, you obviously understand how this particular part of the industry is. All he did by saying all of that was alienate himself from a part of his fan base. It's sad but it's true ...

What that got to do with it? He's just being critical it doesn't mean he doesn't love what he do, he's just critical. Also it was obviously different when he first started doin' the shit.

 

[CirocObama]

But i got a question for all my boys in here..

Do you think it has to do with the fact that hip-hop's main audience today are young kids/females? I mean don't y'all think alot of it plays a part in why hip-hop is this way it is? It's always been young fans in hip-hop but nowhere near as young as now. Also now notice how females control what's hot and what's not, not the dudes. Now dudes like whoever females like.

The average hip-hop joint is now marketed to like 13 year olds and they're the one who controls what's hot and what's not because corps. know that they're the most gullible, not only in hip-hop but just overall so of course they're gonna buy into the corny cheesy shit compared to maybe alot of us in here who are AT LEAST 18+.

And i know there's alot of dumb old heads too btw.

 

[freethewave]

In 15 years, the teens who grew up in the Soulja Boy era are gonna tell their kids that Soulja Boy was real rap...Enough said, Hip Hop fans are DUMB and FICKLE compared to all other genres.

cant agree with this at all.Even the idiots who bought Souljah boy will eventualy grow out of it and realize its wackness on reflection

 

[NuffRespect]

datz true shit therez thread wit niggaz callin pac gay

 

[nyst8ofmin]

Exactly man....fans of Hip Hop make us as a whole sound ignorant.

Jim Jones saying Jay is a ol head yet he is over 30...

You don't hear fans of rock dissing Ozzy Osbourne or fans of Latin music dissing Marc Anthony, they embrace them for the good music they were able to give them for a consistent number of years.

true but most ppl (in general) dont consider an artists personal life part of their art

thats what differs with hip hop fans.

 

[I'm THAT guy...]

he should just worry about the fanbase he has now it's obvious he isn't gaining any new ones

 

[ghost!]

he should just worry about the fanbase he has now it's obvious he isn't gaining any new ones

and you know that how??? U do realize he's eatting off of doing tours and ghost writting right..cuz he's not always in front the screen or on your top ten radio station doesn't mean joe budden is not doing fine...

u watching him..u know who he is...does he know you? Not a diss..but think about that statement.

 

[bankrupt baller]

and you know that how??? U do realize he's eatting off of doing tours and ghost writting right..cuz he's not always in front the screen or on your top ten radio station doesn't mean joe budden is not doing fine...

u watching him..u know who he is...does he know you? Not a diss..but think about that statement.

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[bankrupt baller]

so he really thinks rock and roll is a "white" genre of music and thus hendrix was an outsider to the culture?

Outside of 16 bars these rappers are fools...

but it is a white genre....weather it started that way or not(i understand it didnt),thats where its at now and has been for some time....