Jay Z's Original "Reasonable Doubt" Tracklist Revealed To Public

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texasdaking88;6699372 said:
tompetrez3;6699124 said:
Don't understand how it's a classic when Jay Z said he half assed the project out of his own mouth and needed help from Dame and Sauce to come up with the whole hustler drug dealer mafioso concept. In 1995 Jay Z used to rap like fu shnickens. That giggity, wiggity, wackily flow. No drug references. No pies no cakes. How do you go from wearing Jaz chains driving dame pathfinder to Versace and lexus overnight? This the shit Pac and Nas is talking about but you short sighted Jigga bitches can't understand. Niggas wasn't falling for this shit in 1996. We not talking revonist I'm talking summer 1996 nobody was worried about RD. He hopped on the mafioso train late. Rae, grap, az had that gambino shit on the mixtapes in 94 and albums out by spring 95. RD was late to the party by end of summer 96. Hell mase and puff started the shiny suit era in fall 96 can't hold me down. Rd was a very generic album at the time it dropped and hasn't aged well at all. 9/10ths of Jay Z fans did not know this album existed until 2001 including usmarin3. All I ask for is one of you motherfuckers to come up with a detailed arguement on why this album is a classic and since 2009 not one camel humper has posted over 4 sentences on why you fags worship this bullshit album. You Jay z fans can catch feelings all day. I remember the parks, cookouts, running the streets, living life OUTSIDE in 1996. Pac, bone, fugees, Nas. Nobody was talking, interested or bumping RD. I swear to life I never heard a nigga bumpin RD in a car in my life

Typed all that shit and still didn't tell how it isn't a classic and how exactly did it go gold if no one was listening to it.. So 500000 niggas just had 15-20 dollars and was like "I was gonna wipe my ass with this money but ill just get this.....wait.... Who the fuck is this nigga?????? Jay.......... Z..... Tf???? Fuck it, I'll cop it anyways"

Compare that to the 22 million people who bought The Score in the same summer and you can see once again why nobody gave a fuck about Jay Z in 96.
 
tompetrez3;6699761 said:
texasdaking88;6699372 said:
tompetrez3;6699124 said:
Don't understand how it's a classic when Jay Z said he half assed the project out of his own mouth and needed help from Dame and Sauce to come up with the whole hustler drug dealer mafioso concept. In 1995 Jay Z used to rap like fu shnickens. That giggity, wiggity, wackily flow. No drug references. No pies no cakes. How do you go from wearing Jaz chains driving dame pathfinder to Versace and lexus overnight? This the shit Pac and Nas is talking about but you short sighted Jigga bitches can't understand. Niggas wasn't falling for this shit in 1996. We not talking revonist I'm talking summer 1996 nobody was worried about RD. He hopped on the mafioso train late. Rae, grap, az had that gambino shit on the mixtapes in 94 and albums out by spring 95. RD was late to the party by end of summer 96. Hell mase and puff started the shiny suit era in fall 96 can't hold me down. Rd was a very generic album at the time it dropped and hasn't aged well at all. 9/10ths of Jay Z fans did not know this album existed until 2001 including usmarin3. All I ask for is one of you motherfuckers to come up with a detailed arguement on why this album is a classic and since 2009 not one camel humper has posted over 4 sentences on why you fags worship this bullshit album. You Jay z fans can catch feelings all day. I remember the parks, cookouts, running the streets, living life OUTSIDE in 1996. Pac, bone, fugees, Nas. Nobody was talking, interested or bumping RD. I swear to life I never heard a nigga bumpin RD in a car in my life

Typed all that shit and still didn't tell how it isn't a classic and how exactly did it go gold if no one was listening to it.. So 500000 niggas just had 15-20 dollars and was like "I was gonna wipe my ass with this money but ill just get this.....wait.... Who the fuck is this nigga?????? Jay.......... Z..... Tf???? Fuck it, I'll cop it anyways"

Compare that to the 22 million people who bought The Score in the same summer and you can see once again why nobody gave a fuck about Jay Z in 96.

goat albums
 
So im guessing by this theory nobody was listening to nas illmatic either since that took TWO years to go gold or did everybody just dub each others tapes off each other...
 
All a Jigga warrior has to do is pull up any rap publication from 1996 and read the reviews on RD. Rap pages, source, murder dog, whatever. You WILL NOT find one person saying this album was a classic at the time it dropped. You can't find a rap magazine from 1996-2000 mentioning RD as a classic leading up to the millennium change. Jigga bitches use your common sense. What nigga in 1998 said "gee man RD is better than Vol 2" no fucking body. Quit trying to rewrite history. We know the only reason why you niggas call this album a classic because Jay Z brainwashed you to. Only country dumb Bama bunk ass fuck niggas think this album is a classic.

 
tompetrez3;6699761 said:
texasdaking88;6699372 said:
tompetrez3;6699124 said:
Don't understand how it's a classic when Jay Z said he half assed the project out of his own mouth and needed help from Dame and Sauce to come up with the whole hustler drug dealer mafioso concept. In 1995 Jay Z used to rap like fu shnickens. That giggity, wiggity, wackily flow. No drug references. No pies no cakes. How do you go from wearing Jaz chains driving dame pathfinder to Versace and lexus overnight? This the shit Pac and Nas is talking about but you short sighted Jigga bitches can't understand. Niggas wasn't falling for this shit in 1996. We not talking revonist I'm talking summer 1996 nobody was worried about RD. He hopped on the mafioso train late. Rae, grap, az had that gambino shit on the mixtapes in 94 and albums out by spring 95. RD was late to the party by end of summer 96. Hell mase and puff started the shiny suit era in fall 96 can't hold me down. Rd was a very generic album at the time it dropped and hasn't aged well at all. 9/10ths of Jay Z fans did not know this album existed until 2001 including usmarin3. All I ask for is one of you motherfuckers to come up with a detailed arguement on why this album is a classic and since 2009 not one camel humper has posted over 4 sentences on why you fags worship this bullshit album. You Jay z fans can catch feelings all day. I remember the parks, cookouts, running the streets, living life OUTSIDE in 1996. Pac, bone, fugees, Nas. Nobody was talking, interested or bumping RD. I swear to life I never heard a nigga bumpin RD in a car in my life

Typed all that shit and still didn't tell how it isn't a classic and how exactly did it go gold if no one was listening to it.. So 500000 niggas just had 15-20 dollars and was like "I was gonna wipe my ass with this money but ill just get this.....wait.... Who the fuck is this nigga?????? Jay.......... Z..... Tf???? Fuck it, I'll cop it anyways"

Compare that to the 22 million people who bought The Score in the same summer and you can see once again why nobody gave a fuck about Jay Z in 96.

Still ain't telling me how 500000 copped an album but noone was checking for him.. Can't even say it was white people buying them.. Maybe Jay had 500000 friends that bought it out of pity for their homie... Never mind.. Couldn't have been that.. He's a snake that has no friends... So where did those half a million people come from?
 
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Lets see, Muddy Waters, The Coming, Ironman, Liquid Swords, Hell On Earth, Beats, Rhymes and Life, Legal Drug Money nodody gave a fuck about those albums as well, right?....lol....I know that you wont fix your mouth to utter that bullshyt.....[/quote]

Yo, will this be answered or continue to be danced around?...lol
 
texasdaking88;6699839 said:
tompetrez3;6699761 said:
texasdaking88;6699372 said:
tompetrez3;6699124 said:
Don't understand how it's a classic when Jay Z said he half assed the project out of his own mouth and needed help from Dame and Sauce to come up with the whole hustler drug dealer mafioso concept. In 1995 Jay Z used to rap like fu shnickens. That giggity, wiggity, wackily flow. No drug references. No pies no cakes. How do you go from wearing Jaz chains driving dame pathfinder to Versace and lexus overnight? This the shit Pac and Nas is talking about but you short sighted Jigga bitches can't understand. Niggas wasn't falling for this shit in 1996. We not talking revonist I'm talking summer 1996 nobody was worried about RD. He hopped on the mafioso train late. Rae, grap, az had that gambino shit on the mixtapes in 94 and albums out by spring 95. RD was late to the party by end of summer 96. Hell mase and puff started the shiny suit era in fall 96 can't hold me down. Rd was a very generic album at the time it dropped and hasn't aged well at all. 9/10ths of Jay Z fans did not know this album existed until 2001 including usmarin3. All I ask for is one of you motherfuckers to come up with a detailed arguement on why this album is a classic and since 2009 not one camel humper has posted over 4 sentences on why you fags worship this bullshit album. You Jay z fans can catch feelings all day. I remember the parks, cookouts, running the streets, living life OUTSIDE in 1996. Pac, bone, fugees, Nas. Nobody was talking, interested or bumping RD. I swear to life I never heard a nigga bumpin RD in a car in my life

Typed all that shit and still didn't tell how it isn't a classic and how exactly did it go gold if no one was listening to it.. So 500000 niggas just had 15-20 dollars and was like "I was gonna wipe my ass with this money but ill just get this.....wait.... Who the fuck is this nigga?????? Jay.......... Z..... Tf???? Fuck it, I'll cop it anyways"

Compare that to the 22 million people who bought The Score in the same summer and you can see once again why nobody gave a fuck about Jay Z in 96.

Still ain't telling me how 500000 copped an album but noone was checking for him.. Can't even say it was white people buying them.. Maybe Jay had 500000 friends that bought it out of pity for their homie... Never mind.. Couldn't have been that.. He's a snake that has no friends... So where did those half a million people come from?

You are talking about the 90s when obscure groups like the puppiez and hoes with attitude were cranking out gold records. You are talking about an era where vinyl tape and cd had strong sales. You talk all that shit about your own hometown Texas rappers but DJ screw went gold in 96 and dea album sold 150k in Texas alone in 96. Nobody is about to praise a nigga that needed 5 videos including piggybacking of a blockbuster film soundtrack, a biggie co sign and cameo, a pedo relationship with 15 year old girl, the same formulatic producers Nas used on illmatic to push 500k units. Jay Z was on Priority/EMI with that other REAL hustler master p who sold 1 million copies of ice cream man the same summer. How did master p outsell Jay z you geniuses? Case went PLATNIUM in 96 he was on the platnium Nutty professor soundtrack. Along with another platnium artist foxy brown that Jay Z begged for help from. Everybody going platnium except Jay z because.........

Once again........

Nobody gave a fuck about Jay Z in 1996.

1996 where fugees sold 22 million. Pac sold 8 million. Nas sold 3 million. Bone sold 8.5 million. Space jam soundtrack sold 15 million. But Jay z only sells 500k. FOH Jigga boos
 
Here you go all the albums that have gotten 5 mics and XXL's

"5 Mics:

* Peoples Instinctive Travels & the Paths of Rhythm - A Tribe Called Quest

* Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em -- Eric B. & Rakim

* AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted -- Ice Cube

* Grip It! On That Other Level -- Geto Boys

* One for All -- Brand Nubian

* De La Soul Is Dead -- De La Soul

* The Low End Theory -- A Tribe Called Quest

* Run-D.M.C. -- Run-D.M.C.

* Radio -- LL Cool J

* Licensed to Ill -- Beastie Boys

* Raising Hell -- Run-D.M.C.

* Criminal Minded -- Boogie Down Productions

* Paid in Full -- Eric B. & Rakim

* By All Means Necessary -- Boogie Down Productions

* It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back -- Public Enemy

* Long Live the Kane -- Big Daddy Kane

* Critical Beatdown -- Ultramagnetic MCs

* Straight Out the Jungle -- Jungle Brothers

* Strictly Business -- EPMD

* The Great Adventures of Slick Rick -- Slick Rick

* Straight Outta Compton -- N.W.A.

* No One Can Do It Better -- The D.O.C.

* Breaking Atoms -- Main Source

* Death Certificate -- Ice Cube

* The Diary -- Scarface

* Doggystyle -- Snoop Doggy Dogg

* The Chronic -- Dr. Dre

* Illmatic -- Nas

* Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) -- Wu-Tang Clan

* The Infamous -- Mobb Deep

* Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... -- Raekwon

* Me Against the World -- 2Pac

* Ready to Die -- The Notorious B.I.G.

* Reasonable Doubt -- Jay-Z

* All Eyez on Me -- 2Pac

* Life After Death -- The Notorious B.I.G.

* The Score -- The Fugees

* Aquemini -- Outkast

* 2001 -- Dr. Dre

* The Blueprint -- Jay-Z

* Stillmatic -- Nas

* The Fix -- Scarface

* The Naked Truth -- Lil' Kim

* Trill OG -- Bun B

* My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy -- Kanye West

XXL:

* The Chronic by Dr. Dre

* Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan

* Illmatic by Nas

* The Diary by Scarface

* The Infamous by Mobb Deep

* All Eyez on Me by 2Pac

* Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z

* The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory by 2Pac

* Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.

* The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill by Lauryn Hill

* 2001 by Dr. Dre

* The Marshall Mathers LP by Eminem

* The Blueprint by Jay-Z

* Get Rich or Die Tryin' by 50 Cent

* The Lost Tapes by Nas

* The College Dropout by Kanye West

* Be by Common

* Late Registration by Kanye West

* Hell Hath No Fury by Clipse

* My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy by Kanye West

* Life Is Good by Nas

* good kid, m.A.A.d city by Kendrick Lamar"

History isn't written the day it happens and classic aren't made the day they're released in all cases.. some historical and classic events you know as soon as they happen (9/11) and some become historical over time(the Rodney King beating)....now I'm not in no way tryna compare music to the importance of those events I'm just saying sometimes history isn't written the day it happens or in this case the moment an album is released sometimes they become historical or classic albums over the time
 
Here you go all the albums that have gotten 5 mics and XXL's

5 Mics:

* Peoples Instinctive Travels & the Paths of Rhythm - A Tribe Called Quest

* Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em -- Eric B. & Rakim

* AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted -- Ice Cube

* Grip It! On That Other Level -- Geto Boys

* One for All -- Brand Nubian

* De La Soul Is Dead -- De La Soul

* The Low End Theory -- A Tribe Called Quest

* Run-D.M.C. -- Run-D.M.C.

* Radio -- LL Cool J

* Licensed to Ill -- Beastie Boys

* Raising Hell -- Run-D.M.C.

* Criminal Minded -- Boogie Down Productions

* Paid in Full -- Eric B. & Rakim

* By All Means Necessary -- Boogie Down Productions

* It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back -- Public Enemy

* Long Live the Kane -- Big Daddy Kane

* Critical Beatdown -- Ultramagnetic MCs

* Straight Out the Jungle -- Jungle Brothers

* Strictly Business -- EPMD

* The Great Adventures of Slick Rick -- Slick Rick

* Straight Outta Compton -- N.W.A.

* No One Can Do It Better -- The D.O.C.

* Breaking Atoms -- Main Source

* Death Certificate -- Ice Cube

* The Diary -- Scarface

* Doggystyle -- Snoop Doggy Dogg

* The Chronic -- Dr. Dre

* Illmatic -- Nas

* Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) -- Wu-Tang Clan

* The Infamous -- Mobb Deep

* Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... -- Raekwon

* Me Against the World -- 2Pac

* Ready to Die -- The Notorious B.I.G.

* Reasonable Doubt -- Jay-Z

* All Eyez on Me -- 2Pac

* Life After Death -- The Notorious B.I.G.

* The Score -- The Fugees

* Aquemini -- Outkast

* 2001 -- Dr. Dre

* The Blueprint -- Jay-Z

* Stillmatic -- Nas

* The Fix -- Scarface

* The Naked Truth -- Lil' Kim

* Trill OG -- Bun B

* My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy -- Kanye West

XXL:

* The Chronic by Dr. Dre

* Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan

* Illmatic by Nas

* The Diary by Scarface

* The Infamous by Mobb Deep

* All Eyez on Me by 2Pac

* Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z

* The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory by 2Pac

* Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.

* The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill by Lauryn Hill

* 2001 by Dr. Dre

* The Marshall Mathers LP by Eminem

* The Blueprint by Jay-Z

* Get Rich or Die Tryin' by 50 Cent

* The Lost Tapes by Nas

* The College Dropout by Kanye West

* Be by Common

* Late Registration by Kanye West

* Hell Hath No Fury by Clipse

* My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy by Kanye West

* Life Is Good by Nas

* good kid, m.A.A.d city by Kendrick Lamar

Sometimes history isn't written the day it happens and classic aren't made the day they're released... At times history is made the day it happens (9/11) and at others it becomes a historical event over time (Rodney King beating) now in no way am I comparing music on the levels of those events im just saying sometimes history isn't made the moment it happens or in this case as soon as its released sometimes things become historical or classic over time...only in hip hop do we need something to be historical or classic as soon as we're done hearing it or we dismiss its greatness.
 
Sometimes an album or song's impact isn't recognized immediately. It's all about the long term. The Pharcyde's album Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde wasn't considered a classic when it first dropped. Shit it even got mixed reviews when it first came out, but IN TIME the album has been heralded and accepted in hip hop as such. The same with reasonable doubt.
 
bull6599;6698063 said:
I wanna hear his original verses for BK's Finest. I know Clark Kent said it was originally titled "Once We Get Started" and that Jay had already laid his verses until he brought B.I.G. to the studio & then he went back & laid new verses.

I heard it was no more mr nice guy and they were guna go at the west. Idk
 

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