Future Questions Jay-Z and Reasonable Doubt Status in Hip Hop

[J-GUTTA]

When RD was released it was considered a very good album among Hip Hop heads. It grew to be a classic because compared to his later albums and raps albums released period it still sounds great and aged well. Bringing sales into it is always bullshit to me. At that time Hip Hop was still not a big seller outside of a few undeniable hit songs and the reason they sold a lot of albums. Going commercial was looked down upon too. Shit the radio outside of Hot97 wasn't playing a lot of hip hop.

 

[AP21]

i didnt listen to RD until AFTER i listened to BP (which was my first jay-z listen from start to finish)

down here, it was no limit and cash money

was bout to flag you til i realized where ur from

it is what it is brah lol

 

[soul rattler]

This is what he actually said:

“Jay Z wasn’t great when 2pac and Biggie was alive,” Future said. “It was Biggie, Tupac, Ice Cube. [Reasonable Doubt] wasn’t hot until [Tupac and Biggie] died.”

This is like saying that the moon didn't come out until the sun had gone down. Pac died in 96. Reasonable Doubt dropped in 96. Biggie died in 97. WHHHHYYY the fuck would Jay be the king of Hip hop in the mid-90s before he had even dropped his first album? Nigga Reasonable Doubt wasn't hot until Pac died because Reasonable Doubt didn't exist until after Pac died and Biggie died soon thereafter.

And then there's this

“I’m saying at that time, [it wasn’t hot]. They always go back for your classic album. When Nas dropped his first album, it was great then,” Future explained. “When I Ruled The World came out, it was the best then. You have to go back

Like someone already said, If I Ruled The World wasn't on Illmatic and Illmatic wasn't an overwhelmingly commercial success when it was released.

I'm going to assume this stupidity is because Future is hoping that 15 years from now people will revise his own history to make him seem better than he actually is. But that won't happen because he is not lyrically inclined enough to be considered one of the greatest EMCEES of all time. All the mixtapes in the world won't change that.

 

[soul rattler]

While we're at it, Jay Electronica's first album wasn't even hot in 2016.

Does that shit make any sense to you?

 

[illedout]

This is what he actually said:

“Jay Z wasn’t great when 2pac and Biggie was alive,” Future said. “It was Biggie, Tupac, Ice Cube. [Reasonable Doubt] wasn’t hot until [Tupac and Biggie] died.”

This is like saying that the moon didn't come out until the sun had gone down. Pac died in 96. Reasonable Doubt dropped in 96. Biggie died in 97. WHHHHYYY the fuck would Jay be the king of Hip hop in the mid-90s before he had even dropped his first album? Nigga Reasonable Doubt wasn't hot until Pac died because Reasonable Doubt didn't exist until after Pac died and Biggie died soon thereafter.

And then there's this

“I’m saying at that time, [it wasn’t hot]. They always go back for your classic album. When Nas dropped his first album, it was great then,” Future explained. “When I Ruled The World came out, it was the best then. You have to go back

Like someone already said, If I Ruled The World wasn't on Illmatic and Illmatic wasn't an overwhelmingly commercial success when it was released.

I'm going to assume this stupidity is because Future is hoping that 15 years from now people will revise his own history to make him seem better than he actually is. But that won't happen because he is not lyrically inclined enough to be considered one of the greatest EMCEES of all time. All the mixtapes in the world won't change that.

I think he mentioned "If I ruled the world"

Because it was on It was Written,

and that album came out in 1996,

the same year as Reasonable Doubt..

 

[Nah Son]

So Future probably always fuckin up one word per bar

When I rule the world/

I'll free all my daughters

 

[5th Letter]

Ice Cube in 96? That's like saying Lil Wayne in 2016.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

Let's just say for the sake of argument future is right... Let's say nobody cared about RD when it dropped let's say nobody cared about Jay till Big and PAC died let's say Jay album went unnoticed until so and so year what does that prove for today Jay can't be the goat or RD can't be a classic today becuz of what was going on 20 years ago?? I've never gotten the point of that.... That's like saying Kobe ain't a great becuz he didn't start winning till Jordan retired like wtf does that have to do with him personally being great.... RD is a classic album on its own and Jay is a goat on his own it don't matter if it took both those things the full 20 years to get there they got there so what's the problem???

@GetoBoy to take your argument even further a bunch of jordans scoring records were early in his career when Magic and Bird were winning titles but Jordan wasn't. Meaning his ppg and triple double stats were early in His career just like Jays great work that later became plat in RD was very good work but it took time to appreciate it.

 

[MECCA1000]

RD is a classic and what people seem to forget is that the ROC was doing their own promotional leg work.

They had a one album pressing & distribution deal with freeze records (a smaller company under priority records) with no money up front. Their singles P & D went through payday records. They basically had no machine behind them even with B.I.G, Mary, (Nas sample) on the album ..... the promotion was minimal in NYC and worse when you got pass DC ......... so it should be understood why it didn't blast off. Foxy Brown was getting a bigger buzz because she signed to Def Jam

RD got reintroduced by Def Jam after the ROC signed with them and dropped vol 1

Plus the competition in '96 was heavy

Nas had a nice buzz from co signs from already popular names so that helped because Columbia didn't know what to do with their 1st rap artist ....... Illmatic, classic but didn't move numbers because Columbia dropped the ball

Pac had a strong buzz and label but his 1st album didn't move numbers

B.I.G had not only a classic album but he also had the badboy buzz plus Arista records heavy push

 

[nex gin]

I can respect Future's opinion. Bottom line, what's a classic to some isn't a classic to everyone. Personally....I'm from the midwest. I was hip to Jay early. I purchased RD on day 1. It has been a classic to me since that day. I didn't need 10-20 years for it to sink in. Some albums are just that way. Same for Illmatic, OB4CL and a few other joints.

 

[natural born sinners]

Came in here just to see the jigga warriors react....btw I didn't hear reasonable doubt until volume 2 came out...until then I was just a casual jay-z fan...I was young n wasn't too concerned with his first album...once he blew up n I got older I was like "let me see what all the fuzz is about" RD was a GREAT album...only jigga album I would put above it is Blueprint

 

[natural born sinners]

Btw future is not the rapper I would go to for reviews on a LYRICAL rappers album...I will however Holla at him when T-Pain, kanye or that panda nigga drop some shit

 

[soul rattler]

This is what he actually said:

“Jay Z wasn’t great when 2pac and Biggie was alive,” Future said. “It was Biggie, Tupac, Ice Cube. [Reasonable Doubt] wasn’t hot until [Tupac and Biggie] died.”

This is like saying that the moon didn't come out until the sun had gone down. Pac died in 96. Reasonable Doubt dropped in 96. Biggie died in 97. WHHHHYYY the fuck would Jay be the king of Hip hop in the mid-90s before he had even dropped his first album? Nigga Reasonable Doubt wasn't hot until Pac died because Reasonable Doubt didn't exist until after Pac died and Biggie died soon thereafter.

And then there's this

“I’m saying at that time, [it wasn’t hot]. They always go back for your classic album. When Nas dropped his first album, it was great then,” Future explained. “When I Ruled The World came out, it was the best then. You have to go back

Like someone already said, If I Ruled The World wasn't on Illmatic and Illmatic wasn't an overwhelmingly commercial success when it was released.

I'm going to assume this stupidity is because Future is hoping that 15 years from now people will revise his own history to make him seem better than he actually is. But that won't happen because he is not lyrically inclined enough to be considered one of the greatest EMCEES of all time. All the mixtapes in the world won't change that.

I think he mentioned "If I ruled the world"

Because it was on It was Written,

and that album came out in 1996,

the same year as Reasonable Doubt..

He mentioned If I ruled the world right after mentioning Illmatic. If the idiot had bother to make note of what year it was, he probably would not have made the statement about Reasonable Doubt in the first place.

 

[mohamed]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zaidLjbbHIU

Really good debate by the two critics. Definitely gonna check out their YouTube channel

 

[trilladelic]

Ice Cube in 96? That's like saying Lil Wayne in 2016.

Cube might not have been king of the heap but he was still making hits in 96. He was still riding high off his 1st four albums..

 

[rip.dilla]

Btw future is not the rapper I would go to for reviews on a LYRICAL rappers album...I will however Holla at him when T-Pain, kanye or that panda nigga drop some shit

There is a video of him rapping in intelligible wordings... and not mumbling before the fame...

Wasn't or isn't Future an affiliate with the Dungeon Family? I wouldn't label that guy a substandard lyricist..

 

[Shizlansky]

http://news.hiphopearly.com/future-argues-jay-zs-reasonable-doubt-wasnt-hot-until-biggie-pac-died/

Future talking about when nas dropped his first album then mentions "If I ruled the world" calling it when i ruled the world, which wasn't even on illmatic. Fuck outta here Future Luther Queen. He don't even know what he talking about.

Wait wait wait

Did he really say that?

 

[Shizlansky]

Btw future is not the rapper I would go to for reviews on a LYRICAL rappers album...I will however Holla at him when T-Pain, kanye or that panda nigga drop some shit

There is a video of him rapping in intelligible wordings... and not mumbling before the fame...

Wasn't or isn't Future an affiliate with the Dungeon Family? I wouldn't label that guy a substandard lyricist..

His own lyrics label him a substandard lyricist.

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

I literally only hear about this in regards to Jay.

This argument isn't made for Pac and 2Pacalypse now or how DMX was one of the hottest rappers in the game in 98-99 despite trying to get on since 91. Nobody says anything about Wayne pre Carter I or even with Em and Infinite.

"See that was different"

When it's yo time it's yo time and that has nothing to do with anybody else.

 

[P. Town]

I literally only hear about this in regards to Jay.

This argument isn't made for Pac and 2Pacalypse now or how DMX was one of the hottest rappers in the game in 98-99 despite trying to get on since 91. Nobody says anything about Wayne pre Carter I or even with Em and Infinite.

"See that was different"

When it's yo time it's yo time and that has nothing to do with anybody else.

But who has ever called Tha Block is Hot or Lights Out a classic? Most his fans don't even know them his albums. You comparing somebody like DMX trying to get on since '91 to Jay dropping his debut and nobody caring. When X finally dropped his debut it was a success, so much a success that he dropped another one the same year.