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It's time to say it......Kanye West is in the same discussion at Big/Nas/Jay/Pac
its....JOHN B
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alibaba;3824502 said:So pac is a average mc now?
LOL only on the IC I swear
theres some weird people on here i swear, kanye is bumjuice compared to nas, pac, big and them, and doesnt he have a ghostwriter?
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ustreet_monsta
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I like how you kicked the thread off with a song Ye didnt write.
Saved me the trouble of telling you why Ye isnt in the same league as BIG/Nas/Jay
Saved me the trouble of telling you why Ye isnt in the same league as BIG/Nas/Jay
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StillFaggyAF
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ptowndonte;3824753 said:Kanye can't rap though
or write
he doesnt really do either..
kanye a gayfish
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idoitforhiphop10
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am i the only one who doesn't think or never thought that kanye is a nerd rapper?
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almighty breeze
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Longevity is an inflated stat unless you were great the whole time
But Kanye wasnt writing all his rhymes (this is well documented)
I agree with your premise but he cant be on that level because as has been said there are rappers who have great skillsets then there are rappers who are great artists.
Kanye really lacks in the skillset area but is the greatest or 2nd greatest artist we've had
But the artist who have balanced them (and done it well) deserve the nod over him. Jay;3000;Nas;Cube; BIG;i dont really put pac up there but whatever; even Rakim was great creatively- i dont need to get into his skillset
Kanye definitely fits into that Top 10-12 range. If you get to the teens and dont have 'Ye ill stop listening
But Kanye wasnt writing all his rhymes (this is well documented)
I agree with your premise but he cant be on that level because as has been said there are rappers who have great skillsets then there are rappers who are great artists.
Kanye really lacks in the skillset area but is the greatest or 2nd greatest artist we've had
But the artist who have balanced them (and done it well) deserve the nod over him. Jay;3000;Nas;Cube; BIG;i dont really put pac up there but whatever; even Rakim was great creatively- i dont need to get into his skillset
Kanye definitely fits into that Top 10-12 range. If you get to the teens and dont have 'Ye ill stop listening
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StillFaggyAF
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idoitforhiphop10;3824858 said:am i the only one who doesn't think or never thought that kanye is a nerd rapper?
i never understood that label
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almighty breeze
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Thats what cracked me up about Watch The Throne and my generation of fans so quick to not even listen to the music but run on twitter etc. and talk about how "Kanye outspitting Jay!!!!!"
Kanye has had so many "coaches" & Outside influences (Note: this does nothing of my perception of him or his music. With Kanye and me its always about the final product. The big picture)
Rhymefest
Mos Def
Common
who knows what Pusha T even Big Sean are doing. Thats part of what Kanye great- he listens. He takes advice he asks for help with rhymes, beats whatever. He respects others opinions
But at any given time Kanye walks in the studio with 10 people helping him create (Mike Dean; Jeff Bhasker; Hit Boy; shit even Charlie Wilson)
Jay enters only with Guru and his brain
Kanye has had so many "coaches" & Outside influences (Note: this does nothing of my perception of him or his music. With Kanye and me its always about the final product. The big picture)
Rhymefest
Mos Def
Common
who knows what Pusha T even Big Sean are doing. Thats part of what Kanye great- he listens. He takes advice he asks for help with rhymes, beats whatever. He respects others opinions
But at any given time Kanye walks in the studio with 10 people helping him create (Mike Dean; Jeff Bhasker; Hit Boy; shit even Charlie Wilson)
Jay enters only with Guru and his brain
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KingdomKame;3824902 said:Bunch of niggas can outrap kanye.... a whole lot of people.... they don't got his catalog though
i agree with this at the end of the day his albums will stand up to the greats in my opinion. but just pure mc skills he's not on their level but it takes more than lyrics to make great music
late registration is production masterpiece to me i don't say that shit often
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almighty breeze
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straightupsho;3824881 said:i never understood that label
it was more the times when he debuted and our need to label and put a category on everything.
50;Jadakiss;Cassidy; Smack DVD all reigned when Kanye debuted. Every new artist HAD to be a gangsta or gangsta-like
Everything Kanye did was opposite that plus the fact he was more aligned with Common & Mos Def who had that dumbass "conscious" label
Factor in his singing and the way he dressed. The Bear; The Backpack etc etc
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lamontbdc;3824914 said:i agree with this at the end of the day his albums will stand up to the greats in my opinion. but just pure mc skills he's not on their level but it takes more than lyrics to make great music
late registration is production masterpiece to me i don't say that shit often
yeah basically......
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StillFaggyAF
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almighty breeze;3824915 said:it was more the times when he debuted and our need to label and put a category on everything.
50;Jadakiss;Cassidy; Smack DVD all reigned when Kanye debuted. Every new artist HAD to be a gangsta or gangsta-like
Everything Kanye did was opposite that plus the fact he was more aligned with Common & Mos Def who had that dumbass "conscious" label
Factor in his singing and the way he dressed. The Bear; The Backpack etc etc
alright then thanks
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StillFaggyAF
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lamontbdc;3824914 said:i agree with this at the end of the day his albums will stand up to the greats in my opinion. but just pure mc skills he's not on their level but it takes more than lyrics to make great music
late registration is production masterpiece to me i don't say that shit often
real ass shit
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ustreet_monsta;3824787 said:I like how you kicked the thread off with a song Ye didnt write.
Saved me the trouble of telling you why Ye isnt in the same league as BIG/Nas/Jay
Yea.....whatever. Everything I've read on that subject, Rhymefest has been real hazy.
What it seems like is.....Rhyme basically had a version of Jesus Walks but, was a local artist. Kanye took his chorus, and did his own version to it and made it a classic..
That's no different than Game's situation with 50. Rappers "steal" songs from local artists all the time. Fuck outta here with that shit. I need more instances of Ye doing that besides that bullshit story.
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