HEBREWS AND RED
There are Hebrews who misapply the usage of the word red. This confusion is brought about through the misunderstanding about the birth of Isaac son Esau.
Gen 25:24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
Gen 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.
Many Hebrews say the red mention in this verse is associated with white. They go as far to say Esau was a white man, some take it farther and say he is the father of the white European nations. Both are untrue.
The Hebrew word used to describe David as Ruddy is the same Hebrew word used to describe Esau as Red. This is the Hebrew word Admony Pronounce Ad-Mo_nee, it's number 132 in the Strong's concordance. The word means red or reddish. Both King David and Esau were Hebrews, scripture tells us the Hebrews are and were a black skinned nation. So how do these two Hebrews get associated with being white skinned Europeans? What does it mean by describing them as red?
Admonee / ruddy has nothing at all to do with white skin, the word for white skin in Hebrew is laban, it means white or becoming white. Laban is used in Exodus 4: where Yah tells Moses to put his hand into his bosom, and it turns white as Snow. Laban is also used to describe Moses sister Miriam when Yah struck her with Leprosy and turned her entire body white (Numbers 12). It's used once again to describe Gheazi being stricken with Leprosy and having his skin turn white in 2nd kings 5:27.
Never once when it mentions Israelites being turned white with Leprosy, does it describe their skin as turning red or ruddy. That's because red and ruddy is not associated with white skin. If the redness of David and Esau were associated with white skin, the word laban would have been used.
Gen 24:29 And Rebekah had a brother, and his name was Laban: and Laban ran out unto the man, unto the well.
One point of great interest is this. Laban was the Uncle of Esau / Edom, Laban Name means white, Edom means Red (Admonee). The Red associated with Esau appearance at birth is not white or Laban.
The ancient Egyptians who were a black people portrayed themselves, some Ethiopians and Canaanites as reddish brown, this red is a mahogany color.
Among ancient Black people, and among many black people today throughout the world. Red or ruddy was a complexion that would be Mahogany in appearance. Lets prove this.
In a Narrative written by a Slave name Oladuah Equino which can be found in a very good book called the Classic Slave Narratives.
He gives us these details about some men who lived near his village in Nigeria West Africa.
"THESE ARE SOMETIMES VISITED BY STOUT MAHOGANY-COLOURED MEN FROM THE SOUTH-WEST OF US. WE CALL THEM OYE-EBOE, WHICH TERM SIGNIFIES RED MEN LIVING AT A DISTANCE."
classic slave narrative the life of Gustavus Vassa page 16.
NOT ONLY ARE THESE NIGERIAN MEN CALLED RED BUT THAT RED IS COMPARED TO MAHOGANY.
There are Hebrews who misapply the usage of the word red. This confusion is brought about through the misunderstanding about the birth of Isaac son Esau.
Gen 25:24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
Gen 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.
Many Hebrews say the red mention in this verse is associated with white. They go as far to say Esau was a white man, some take it farther and say he is the father of the white European nations. Both are untrue.
The Hebrew word used to describe David as Ruddy is the same Hebrew word used to describe Esau as Red. This is the Hebrew word Admony Pronounce Ad-Mo_nee, it's number 132 in the Strong's concordance. The word means red or reddish. Both King David and Esau were Hebrews, scripture tells us the Hebrews are and were a black skinned nation. So how do these two Hebrews get associated with being white skinned Europeans? What does it mean by describing them as red?
Admonee / ruddy has nothing at all to do with white skin, the word for white skin in Hebrew is laban, it means white or becoming white. Laban is used in Exodus 4: where Yah tells Moses to put his hand into his bosom, and it turns white as Snow. Laban is also used to describe Moses sister Miriam when Yah struck her with Leprosy and turned her entire body white (Numbers 12). It's used once again to describe Gheazi being stricken with Leprosy and having his skin turn white in 2nd kings 5:27.
Never once when it mentions Israelites being turned white with Leprosy, does it describe their skin as turning red or ruddy. That's because red and ruddy is not associated with white skin. If the redness of David and Esau were associated with white skin, the word laban would have been used.
Gen 24:29 And Rebekah had a brother, and his name was Laban: and Laban ran out unto the man, unto the well.
One point of great interest is this. Laban was the Uncle of Esau / Edom, Laban Name means white, Edom means Red (Admonee). The Red associated with Esau appearance at birth is not white or Laban.
The ancient Egyptians who were a black people portrayed themselves, some Ethiopians and Canaanites as reddish brown, this red is a mahogany color.
Among ancient Black people, and among many black people today throughout the world. Red or ruddy was a complexion that would be Mahogany in appearance. Lets prove this.
In a Narrative written by a Slave name Oladuah Equino which can be found in a very good book called the Classic Slave Narratives.
He gives us these details about some men who lived near his village in Nigeria West Africa.
"THESE ARE SOMETIMES VISITED BY STOUT MAHOGANY-COLOURED MEN FROM THE SOUTH-WEST OF US. WE CALL THEM OYE-EBOE, WHICH TERM SIGNIFIES RED MEN LIVING AT A DISTANCE."
classic slave narrative the life of Gustavus Vassa page 16.
NOT ONLY ARE THESE NIGERIAN MEN CALLED RED BUT THAT RED IS COMPARED TO MAHOGANY.
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2stepz_ahead
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very interesting...i hve to come back to read this later.
Black Boy King
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edit: crossing out the last line of this post. Strong's says Esau's "redness" was like Adam's by referencing back to #119. my apologies
Great drop bambu. Definitely going to add that book to my library list
I'm not sure if we are speaking in the same context in our use of the word "red". What is described in your posts seems to be a skin complexion of red tint, i.e. the American Indian (well.... the aboriginal Indians LOL, not the ones today) which were also described as "copper colored". This seems to go in line with the description of the Ancient Egyptians, Ethopians, etc.
Though in the description of Adam, Strong's specifically uses the word "flush" (verb) as well as saying he (Adam) turns rosy (action), and shows blood in the face. This cannot possibly apply to heavily melaninated people, i.e. Negroids, unless we are referring to some type of lacerations in the face.
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Interesting that you bring up Esau; I think that story holds something key. Is it a coincidence that in Genesis 3, LORD God told the serpeant (which Strong's says is a snake.. a deceptive untrustworthy person):
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
And LORD God told Rebekkah:
22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said , If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. 23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
26 And after that came his brother out , and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
And he was named Jacob which means (according to my NKJV) "supplanter or deceitful"
Great drop bambu. Definitely going to add that book to my library list
I'm not sure if we are speaking in the same context in our use of the word "red". What is described in your posts seems to be a skin complexion of red tint, i.e. the American Indian (well.... the aboriginal Indians LOL, not the ones today) which were also described as "copper colored". This seems to go in line with the description of the Ancient Egyptians, Ethopians, etc.
Though in the description of Adam, Strong's specifically uses the word "flush" (verb) as well as saying he (Adam) turns rosy (action), and shows blood in the face. This cannot possibly apply to heavily melaninated people, i.e. Negroids, unless we are referring to some type of lacerations in the face.
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Interesting that you bring up Esau; I think that story holds something key. Is it a coincidence that in Genesis 3, LORD God told the serpeant (which Strong's says is a snake.. a deceptive untrustworthy person):
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
And LORD God told Rebekkah:
22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said , If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. 23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
26 And after that came his brother out , and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
And he was named Jacob which means (according to my NKJV) "supplanter or deceitful"
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Black Boy King
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bambu;6042334 said:
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I'm saying that strongs does not say that adam in Hebrew comes from "to show blood (in the face), that is, to flush (synononomous with blush)"
Adam ~ אָדָם comes from the root word Ruddy ~ אָדַם
Which has no roots & is transliterated as "to be red".........
Most likely from the the earth that was used to create him (Genesis 2:7, 21-22) ....................
Adam ~ אָדָם comes from the root word Ruddy ~ אָדַם
Which has no roots & is transliterated as "to be red".........
Most likely from the the earth that was used to create him (Genesis 2:7, 21-22) ....................
MYKROKOZMIK
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Good word, share gnosis and grow.
Black Boy King
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I understand what you're saying.
But Strong's italicized the word ruddy. In the beginning of the Hebrew dictionary, in the example definition, it points to the italicized word and says:
"Brief English definition (shown by italics)"
So I then look up the word ruddy in the English dictionary and get:
ruddy - of or having a fresh, healthy red color
and it comes from the OE word 'rudig'
Strong's further clarifies what they mean by "red human being" sending you to #119 which is a variation of the word adam (different accent marks is all) saying:
adam = to show blood.... etc etc.
Is it not clarifying that Adam is not a red tint (such as a copper colored American Indian, i.e. one of the Redbones), but one can actually see the blood "through his skin" (for lack of a better phrase)?
If it stopped at "ruddy" then I agree with you completely. But the definition it referenced was pretty specific. Also, there are numbers in the concordance that do reference the red tint (of soil) that you are talking about. They could have easily referenced that number which would clearly validate what you're saying. But instead, it chooses #119, to blush or show blood in the face
But Strong's italicized the word ruddy. In the beginning of the Hebrew dictionary, in the example definition, it points to the italicized word and says:
"Brief English definition (shown by italics)"
So I then look up the word ruddy in the English dictionary and get:
ruddy - of or having a fresh, healthy red color
and it comes from the OE word 'rudig'
Strong's further clarifies what they mean by "red human being" sending you to #119 which is a variation of the word adam (different accent marks is all) saying:
adam = to show blood.... etc etc.
Is it not clarifying that Adam is not a red tint (such as a copper colored American Indian, i.e. one of the Redbones), but one can actually see the blood "through his skin" (for lack of a better phrase)?
If it stopped at "ruddy" then I agree with you completely. But the definition it referenced was pretty specific. Also, there are numbers in the concordance that do reference the red tint (of soil) that you are talking about. They could have easily referenced that number which would clearly validate what you're saying. But instead, it chooses #119, to blush or show blood in the face
Black Boy King
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Ah yes, there is a placeholder for images but nothing is showing up. Though I did just visit your link. You are right, it doesn't say "blushing" or "blood in the face". I have to review that source.
Here is my source.....
Here is my source.....
Black Boy King
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No idea why tinypic prefers photos to be sideways, yall forgive me
You are talking about the adjective, Adom (strongs 122)........
The same root as Adam, Ruddy (119)..........
It really has no influence on the masculine noun........
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H122&t=KJV
Isiah 63:2
Why are your clothes so red, as if you have been treading out grapes?
Song of Solomon 4:3
Your lips are like a scarlet ribbon; your mouth is lovely. Your temples behind your veil are like the halves of a pomegranate.
The same root as Adam, Ruddy (119)..........
It really has no influence on the masculine noun........
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H122&t=KJV
Isiah 63:2
Why are your clothes so red, as if you have been treading out grapes?
Song of Solomon 4:3
Your lips are like a scarlet ribbon; your mouth is lovely. Your temples behind your veil are like the halves of a pomegranate.
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@Ziryab......
It looks like your copy does not have parts of speech or usage in it............
I suggest crossing it here.......
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H119&t=KJV
It looks like your copy does not have parts of speech or usage in it............
I suggest crossing it here.......
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H119&t=KJV
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Black Boy King
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bambu;6042620 said:You are talking about the adjective, Adom (strongs 122)........
The same root as Adam, Ruddy (119)..........
It really has no influence on the masculine noun........
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H122&t=KJV
Isiah 63:2
Why are your clothes so red, as if you have been treading out grapes?
Song of Solomon 4:3
Your lips are like a scarlet ribbon; your mouth is lovely. Your temples behind your veil are like the halves of a pomegranate.
Strong's says to look to H120 for the definition of Adam in Genesis. H120 references H119.
I didn't even read 122 because nothing directed me to 122. It's not relevant here.
Not sure why you need parts of speech or usage as that should already be understood. You might already be aware of this, but to clarify, if I'm reading Genesis 2:19 and I come across the word Adam, I will look up Adam in Strong's Concordance. I then will choose Genesis 2:19 (under Adam) and look at the number it references. It will reference whichever number gives the definition of the word in the context that its in.
Reading the sentence, I should already know what part of speech the word is. I can also look under "Adam" in the concordance (not the Hebrew dictionary) and find any other instance that the word Adam is used in the Bible....
I got company now, but I'll look into both sources later.
Black Boy King
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again, I am referring to #119 which is clearly a verb. to show red. flush (to redden/blush). to turn rosy.
^that describes the nature of Adam's "redness"
^that describes the nature of Adam's "redness"
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