Is it wrong to teach kids that "if you got a college degree, you will be successful"?

[BlackThor356]

if its a STEM degree, or a medical degree than cool......

 

[T. Sanford]

I wish my peoples put me up on game about college, trades, entrepreneurship & etc when I was younger tho. It was always "go get a job". If one of my peoples told me earlier "lil homie, be your own boss or do what you will love to do in life not what you have to do" then I'll be ahead already but gradually I'm getting to that point of fulfilling my destiny

 

[mryounggun]

I wish my peoples put me up on game about college, trades, entrepreneurship & etc when I was younger tho. It was always "go get a job". If one of my peoples told me earlier "lil homie, be your own boss or do what you will love to do in life not what you have to do" then I'll be ahead already but gradually I'm getting to that point of fulfilling my destiny

Shit, I think most of us wish we had a little more information made available to us about shit like this back in the day. If I could do it again, I definitely would have skipped college and either moved to LA right after high school or spent some times overseas right after high school.

 

[Knock_Twice]

Man Look

I went to college and 93% of the shit I learned, I still haven't use it pretty much a waste of money and time IMO..other than getting my social skills and interacting with ppl..the shit I learned in college..book material.. hasn't help me get a job...

I learned more shit on the job than I did in my major in college...sad to say..

But I will saying having that degree on my resume got me the jobs I wanted..

I guess it all depends on what you wanna do in life is what I'll tell the kids...shid it doesn't take a degree to run a company..

 

[jono]

Nothing wrong with going to college. It opens many doors for a lot of people and even if you don't make a lot of money the experience and education alone should be worth it.

If I'm talking to my kid, then I would know MY KID and I can counsel him appropriately based on that.

As a general rule though...the hood got enough barbers, hairdressers, mechanics and shit and that's cool if you want to be a barber or a mechanic but for me you need to have higher aspirations. Don't settle when you excel.

All that said, it depends far more on your definition of "success", for some making money is only part of the equation, making money doesn't mean you are personally fulfilled and happy.

 

[S2J]

Man Look

I went to college and 93% of the shit I learned, I still haven't use it pretty much a waste of money and time IMO..other than getting my social skills and interacting with ppl..the shit I learned in college..book material.. hasn't help me get a job...

I learned more shit on the job than I did in my major in college...sad to say..

But I will saying having that degree on my resume got me the jobs I wanted..

I guess it all depends on what you wanna do in life is what I'll tell the kids...shid it doesn't take a degree to run a company..

I went to college and 99% of the stuff i learned i dont use. I dont work in my "field"-marketing. But i got an 'entry level' type job, got a promotion available only to those w/ degrees, parlayed that for a few years, and now im bout to come up in a few months to that 'next level'.

Levels bruh. I'd advise anyone going to college to take on a very specialized field like comp engieneering or somethin. Even if u dont, u open more doors w/ college period.

My problem w/ these threads is i speak to HR people, off the record, on a daily basis. I know how people get hired and i see what goes on behind closed doors. And this is in DC! A top 5 job market in the country. So its a liiiitle insulting to hear people pull shyt out there ass w/out stating what they actually do or giving any specific examples. B/c everybody i know w/ a dergee is doin quite well and quite a few are caked up so yall gotta explain this shyt to me.

 

[jono]

Man Look

I went to college and 93% of the shit I learned, I still haven't use it pretty much a waste of money and time IMO..other than getting my social skills and interacting with ppl..the shit I learned in college..book material.. hasn't help me get a job...

I learned more shit on the job than I did in my major in college...sad to say..

But I will saying having that degree on my resume got me the jobs I wanted..

I guess it all depends on what you wanna do in life is what I'll tell the kids...shid it doesn't take a degree to run a company..

This will be the case regardless. Your job should train you how to work in their environment and with their clients, that's not something you can learn in a book.

 

[S2J]

Man Look

I went to college and 93% of the shit I learned, I still haven't use it pretty much a waste of money and time IMO..other than getting my social skills and interacting with ppl..the shit I learned in college..book material.. hasn't help me get a job...

I learned more shit on the job than I did in my major in college...sad to say..

But I will saying having that degree on my resume got me the jobs I wanted..

I guess it all depends on what you wanna do in life is what I'll tell the kids...shid it doesn't take a degree to run a company..

This will be the case regardless. Your job should train you how to work in their environment and with their clients, that's not something you can learn in a book.

He doesnt get it.

 

[S2J]

@S2J If my son shows that he is happy with living a simple modest life. Yes. The decision to be a productive human being will make me happy. I will show him how to manage his money and make it grow for retirement. Ultimately he will have to choose his path. Just because I lead him to water doesnt mean he will drink from that well.

Yes I will save for him to go to college. but if he says I want to work at a Burger King. I will advise him to work hard and strive for management. If he wants to be a rapper. I will tell him to work hard and strive to own and produce his own music.

At what age are you talking? B/ c you really just described a 14 yr old who left to his own devices would rather play Madden all day...

 

[mryounggun]

Man Look

I went to college and 93% of the shit I learned, I still haven't use it pretty much a waste of money and time IMO..other than getting my social skills and interacting with ppl..the shit I learned in college..book material.. hasn't help me get a job...

I learned more shit on the job than I did in my major in college...sad to say..

But I will saying having that degree on my resume got me the jobs I wanted..

I guess it all depends on what you wanna do in life is what I'll tell the kids...shid it doesn't take a degree to run a company..

I went to college and 99% of the stuff i learned i dont use. I dont work in my "field"-marketing. But i got an 'entry level' type job, got a promotion available only to those w/ degrees, parlayed that for a few years, and now im bout to come up in a few months to that 'next level'.

Levels bruh. I'd advise anyone going to college to take on a very specialized field like comp engieneering or somethin. Even if u dont, u open more doors w/ college period.

My problem w/ these threads is i speak to HR people, off the record, on a daily basis. I know how people get hired and i see what goes on behind closed doors. And this is in DC! A top 5 job market in the country. So its a liiiitle insulting to hear people pull shyt out there ass w/out stating what they actually do or giving any specific examples. B/c everybody i know w/ a dergee is doin quite well and quite a few are caked up so yall gotta explain this shyt to me.

That's the thing, fam. You're speaking from your own personal experience (per the bolded and underlined). Other people are speaking from their own personal experience, which is different from yours, ya know? I think we can all agree, though, that in terms of the very simple question of whether or not the statement, 'If you get a college degree, you WILL be successful', is flat out not true.

There's no way to spin it really. There are tons of people with college degrees who NO ONE would consider successful. They can't get jobs, are drowning in debut - student loan and otherwise, etc. You don't think there are homeless people with college degrees? People working dead end jobs that they hate, for low pay, shitty benefits and no time to spend with their families, which college degrees? If those people exist...wouldn't we have to concede the statement 'If you get a college degree, you will be successful' is factually just not true?

And that's the issue: There are MILLIONS of people - school-aged kids to adults - who think that if you get a degree, you're just magically gonna be a success and at this point, I think that mindset is getting dangerously close to being more harmful than helpful.

 

[caddo man]

@S2J If my son shows that he is happy with living a simple modest life. Yes. The decision to be a productive human being will make me happy. I will show him how to manage his money and make it grow for retirement. Ultimately he will have to choose his path. Just because I lead him to water doesnt mean he will drink from that well.

Yes I will save for him to go to college. but if he says I want to work at a Burger King. I will advise him to work hard and strive for management. If he wants to be a rapper. I will tell him to work hard and strive to own and produce his own music.

At what age are you talking? B/ c you really just described a 14 yr old who left to his own devices would rather play Madden all day...

The decision to be a productive human being will make me happy. As long as he does something. But when he is under my roof It will be education first. I only hope when he graduates he will choose the path I wish for him.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Man Look

I went to college and 93% of the shit I learned, I still haven't use it pretty much a waste of money and time IMO..other than getting my social skills and interacting with ppl..the shit I learned in college..book material.. hasn't help me get a job...

I learned more shit on the job than I did in my major in college...sad to say..

But I will saying having that degree on my resume got me the jobs I wanted..

I guess it all depends on what you wanna do in life is what I'll tell the kids...shid it doesn't take a degree to run a company..

I went to college and 99% of the stuff i learned i dont use. I dont work in my "field"-marketing. But i got an 'entry level' type job, got a promotion available only to those w/ degrees, parlayed that for a few years, and now im bout to come up in a few months to that 'next level'.

Levels bruh. I'd advise anyone going to college to take on a very specialized field like comp engieneering or somethin. Even if u dont, u open more doors w/ college period.

My problem w/ these threads is i speak to HR people, off the record, on a daily basis. I know how people get hired and i see what goes on behind closed doors. And this is in DC! A top 5 job market in the country. So its a liiiitle insulting to hear people pull shyt out there ass w/out stating what they actually do or giving any specific examples. B/c everybody i know w/ a dergee is doin quite well and quite a few are caked up so yall gotta explain this shyt to me.

You have presented your ENVIRONMENT 's truth.

It's not the same truth everywhere.

That statement lead us back to STATEGY. If you ask yourself.:

where do I live

How will the job market behave when I'm done learning

How high.is the robotisation / automatisation potential of my domain

Will this job be needed in the future

?

You are on the good path

 

[S2J]

Man Look

I went to college and 93% of the shit I learned, I still haven't use it pretty much a waste of money and time IMO..other than getting my social skills and interacting with ppl..the shit I learned in college..book material.. hasn't help me get a job...

I learned more shit on the job than I did in my major in college...sad to say..

But I will saying having that degree on my resume got me the jobs I wanted..

I guess it all depends on what you wanna do in life is what I'll tell the kids...shid it doesn't take a degree to run a company..

I went to college and 99% of the stuff i learned i dont use. I dont work in my "field"-marketing. But i got an 'entry level' type job, got a promotion available only to those w/ degrees, parlayed that for a few years, and now im bout to come up in a few months to that 'next level'.

Levels bruh. I'd advise anyone going to college to take on a very specialized field like comp engieneering or somethin. Even if u dont, u open more doors w/ college period.

My problem w/ these threads is i speak to HR people, off the record, on a daily basis. I know how people get hired and i see what goes on behind closed doors. And this is in DC! A top 5 job market in the country. So its a liiiitle insulting to hear people pull shyt out there ass w/out stating what they actually do or giving any specific examples. B/c everybody i know w/ a dergee is doin quite well and quite a few are caked up so yall gotta explain this shyt to me.

That's the thing, fam. You're speaking from your own personal experience (per the bolded and underlined). Other people are speaking from their own personal experience, which is different from yours, ya know? I think we can all agree, though, that in terms of the very simple question of whether or not the statement, 'If you get a college degree, you WILL be successful', is flat out not true.

There's no way to spin it really. There are tons of people with college degrees who NO ONE would consider successful. They can't get jobs, are drowning in debut - student loan and otherwise, etc. You don't think there are homeless people with college degrees? People working dead end jobs that they hate, for low pay, shitty benefits and no time to spend with their families, which college degrees? If those people exist...wouldn't we have to concede the statement 'If you get a college degree, you will be successful' is factually just not true?

And that's the issue: There are MILLIONS of people - school-aged kids to adults - who think that if you get a degree, you're just magically gonna be a success and at this point, I think that mindset is getting dangerously close to being more harmful than helpful.

@ the bolded, here's my problem: Why is everyone shytting on college grads like they're ALL just big dufuses for havin a degree, struggling, broke, unhappy, etc. Umm, hello, why doesnt anyone mention how stressful being 'your own boss' is? Or the trunover rate of new busniesses? Yay, you're your own boss! Ok, who does your books? Who's gonna do your marketing? How do you get people in the door? Hellloooo!?! All these imaginary people out there eatin w/ no degree, ok, well nggas what do you do?!!?!?

Honestly i completely ignored that statement 'if you get a degree you will become successful' b/c its so absurd. I cant think of any premise in life that you can say 'if you do x you will be z'. Thats just stupid and we all know this.

I took the thread to mean, as it usually does, 'do you need a degree to be successful.'

You dont need shyt in life forreal, b/c 'anything is possible', which is what yall seem to be hitchin your wagons to. (tha fuk)...but just because something can be done doesnt mean it is to be done or followed as a blueprint. So if we talkin kids, how do you not let them shoot for the starts? Straight baffling to me.

ESPECIALLY THE WAY THE WORLD IS MOVING? Cmon man. When i graduated college in 2004 it was kinda sorta special. Now? Man an undergraduate degree barely gets you in the door. Everybody gettin masters n such. And you gon throw yo kid into this brave new world w/out as many tools as possible for him/her to succeed? Huh?

I really dont undrstand how anyone could argue against that.

 

[mryounggun]

Personally, I don't think there are ANY environmental variables that could make that statement true. Regardless of your field of study, your location, what the job market is like, etc,...having a college degree does not mean you WILL be successful.

 

[thefabmd2dc]

Its wrong to teach kids that a degree means you will be successful. It should be major in something that will make money like for example business vs liberal arts and there's no question the liberal arts kid isn't going to be anywhere near as successful as the kid with a business degree

 

[Knock_Twice]

It's all about who you know...not more so what you know

 

[S2J]

It's all about who you know...not more so what you know

*rolls eyes nh*

Man get that cliche stuff outta here. Everybody knows that, its time to step it up tho.

We dont focus enough on the 'who to know' side of things. Im tellin you, im on that side of things, and these days people cant do shyt for you if you dont have a degree. Not on a significant level at least. 'If you had a degree I could put you on right now', 'HR wont justify me giving you GS13 b/c you dont hav a degree.'

These are HR people i hear sayin things to people who 'know' the right people but dont have a degree. Verbatim. Yall mfers hard headed tho Lol Yall got it

 

[desertrain10]

C/s college being one of many stepping stones to help you reach your goals waiting across the proverbial river

Of course there are other avenues, but a degree specifically the right degree can be one big ass stone

I'm stressing my nephew and nieces to consider getting into the stem fields right now

Also lets not forget college campuses are one of the best places to network with like minded individuals

 

[mryounggun]

Man Look

I went to college and 93% of the shit I learned, I still haven't use it pretty much a waste of money and time IMO..other than getting my social skills and interacting with ppl..the shit I learned in college..book material.. hasn't help me get a job...

I learned more shit on the job than I did in my major in college...sad to say..

But I will saying having that degree on my resume got me the jobs I wanted..

I guess it all depends on what you wanna do in life is what I'll tell the kids...shid it doesn't take a degree to run a company..

I went to college and 99% of the stuff i learned i dont use. I dont work in my "field"-marketing. But i got an 'entry level' type job, got a promotion available only to those w/ degrees, parlayed that for a few years, and now im bout to come up in a few months to that 'next level'.

Levels bruh. I'd advise anyone going to college to take on a very specialized field like comp engieneering or somethin. Even if u dont, u open more doors w/ college period.

My problem w/ these threads is i speak to HR people, off the record, on a daily basis. I know how people get hired and i see what goes on behind closed doors. And this is in DC! A top 5 job market in the country. So its a liiiitle insulting to hear people pull shyt out there ass w/out stating what they actually do or giving any specific examples. B/c everybody i know w/ a dergee is doin quite well and quite a few are caked up so yall gotta explain this shyt to me.

That's the thing, fam. You're speaking from your own personal experience (per the bolded and underlined). Other people are speaking from their own personal experience, which is different from yours, ya know? I think we can all agree, though, that in terms of the very simple question of whether or not the statement, 'If you get a college degree, you WILL be successful', is flat out not true.

There's no way to spin it really. There are tons of people with college degrees who NO ONE would consider successful. They can't get jobs, are drowning in debut - student loan and otherwise, etc. You don't think there are homeless people with college degrees? People working dead end jobs that they hate, for low pay, shitty benefits and no time to spend with their families, which college degrees? If those people exist...wouldn't we have to concede the statement 'If you get a college degree, you will be successful' is factually just not true?

And that's the issue: There are MILLIONS of people - school-aged kids to adults - who think that if you get a degree, you're just magically gonna be a success and at this point, I think that mindset is getting dangerously close to being more harmful than helpful.

@ the bolded, here's my problem: Why is everyone shytting on college grads like they're ALL just big dufuses for havin a degree, struggling, broke, unhappy, etc. Umm, hello, why doesnt anyone mention how stressful being 'your own boss' is? Or the trunover rate of new busniesses? Yay, you're your own boss! Ok, who does your books? Who's gonna do your marketing? How do you get people in the door? Hellloooo!?! All these imaginary people out there eatin w/ no degree, ok, well nggas what do you do?!!?!?

Honestly i completely ignored that statement 'if you get a degree you will become successful' b/c its so absurd. I cant think of any premise in life that you can say 'if you do x you will be z'. Thats just stupid and we all know this.



I took the thread to mean, as it usually does, 'do you need a degree to be successful.'

You dont need shyt in life forreal, b/c 'anything is possible', which is what yall seem to be hitchin your wagons to. (tha fuk)...but just because something can be done doesnt mean it is to be done or followed as a blueprint. So if we talkin kids, how do you not let them shoot for the starts? Straight baffling to me.

ESPECIALLY THE WAY THE WORLD IS MOVING? Cmon man. When i graduated college in 2004 it was kinda sorta special. Now? Man an undergraduate degree barely gets you in the door. Everybody gettin masters n such. And you gon throw yo kid into this brave new world w/out as many tools as possible for him/her to succeed? Huh?

I really dont undrstand how anyone could argue against that.

Regarding the bolded, I never shitted on college degrees or college grads. Never. I can't speak for those who do. That question is probably better left for them.

Regarding the bolded and underlined, you give people WAY too much credit. You know how many people REALLY believe that if you get a college degree, you will be successful? Millions. Trust me. Also, the underlined is the reason we disagree on this: I'm arguing based on the actual statement in the thread title...you're arguing based on something else.

Cool.

 

[blackrain]

Man Look

I went to college and 93% of the shit I learned, I still haven't use it pretty much a waste of money and time IMO..other than getting my social skills and interacting with ppl..the shit I learned in college..book material.. hasn't help me get a job...

I learned more shit on the job than I did in my major in college...sad to say..

But I will saying having that degree on my resume got me the jobs I wanted..

I guess it all depends on what you wanna do in life is what I'll tell the kids...shid it doesn't take a degree to run a company..

I went to college and 99% of the stuff i learned i dont use. I dont work in my "field"-marketing. But i got an 'entry level' type job, got a promotion available only to those w/ degrees, parlayed that for a few years, and now im bout to come up in a few months to that 'next level'.

Levels bruh. I'd advise anyone going to college to take on a very specialized field like comp engieneering or somethin. Even if u dont, u open more doors w/ college period.

My problem w/ these threads is i speak to HR people, off the record, on a daily basis. I know how people get hired and i see what goes on behind closed doors. And this is in DC! A top 5 job market in the country. So its a liiiitle insulting to hear people pull shyt out there ass w/out stating what they actually do or giving any specific examples. B/c everybody i know w/ a dergee is doin quite well and quite a few are caked up so yall gotta explain this shyt to me.

That's the thing, fam. You're speaking from your own personal experience (per the bolded and underlined). Other people are speaking from their own personal experience, which is different from yours, ya know? I think we can all agree, though, that in terms of the very simple question of whether or not the statement, 'If you get a college degree, you WILL be successful', is flat out not true.

There's no way to spin it really. There are tons of people with college degrees who NO ONE would consider successful. They can't get jobs, are drowning in debut - student loan and otherwise, etc. You don't think there are homeless people with college degrees? People working dead end jobs that they hate, for low pay, shitty benefits and no time to spend with their families, which college degrees? If those people exist...wouldn't we have to concede the statement 'If you get a college degree, you will be successful' is factually just not true?

And that's the issue: There are MILLIONS of people - school-aged kids to adults - who think that if you get a degree, you're just magically gonna be a success and at this point, I think that mindset is getting dangerously close to being more harmful than helpful.

@ the bolded, here's my problem: Why is everyone shytting on college grads like they're ALL just big dufuses for havin a degree, struggling, broke, unhappy, etc. Umm, hello, why doesnt anyone mention how stressful being 'your own boss' is? Or the trunover rate of new busniesses? Yay, you're your own boss! Ok, who does your books? Who's gonna do your marketing? How do you get people in the door? Hellloooo!?! All these imaginary people out there eatin w/ no degree, ok, well nggas what do you do?!!?!?

Honestly i completely ignored that statement 'if you get a degree you will become successful' b/c its so absurd. I cant think of any premise in life that you can say 'if you do x you will be z'. Thats just stupid and we all know this.

I took the thread to mean, as it usually does, 'do you need a degree to be successful.'

You dont need shyt in life forreal, b/c 'anything is possible', which is what yall seem to be hitchin your wagons to. (tha fuk)...but just because something can be done doesnt mean it is to be done or followed as a blueprint. So if we talkin kids, how do you not let them shoot for the starts? Straight baffling to me.

ESPECIALLY THE WAY THE WORLD IS MOVING? Cmon man. When i graduated college in 2004 it was kinda sorta special. Now? Man an undergraduate degree barely gets you in the door. Everybody gettin masters n such. And you gon throw yo kid into this brave new world w/out as many tools as possible for him/her to succeed? Huh?

I really dont undrstand how anyone could argue against that.

That's what a lot of the be your own boss crowd doesn't seem to get. New businesses close every day. That shit takes hard work and a grinding mentality to be able to support yourself let alone be successful. If a person doesn't have the will to commit themselves to something it's going to fail whether it's school or a business. People romanticize the idea of owning your own business but majority ain't cut out to be anybody boss let alone run a whole business