Is it wrong to teach kids that "if you got a college degree, you will be successful"?

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

A degree doesn't guarantee success

However I am going to keep my son involved in school and sports so he an continue to do well in school and want to further his education

It's not gonna hurt him to go to college so why not encourage it .....

A degree doesn't guarantee success

However I am going to keep my son involved in school and sports so he an continue to do well in school and want to further his education

It's not gonna hurt him to go to college so why not encourage it .....

However IN THE MEAN TIME you should help him acquiring the notion of self awarness. He must decipher his dreams, hobbys, talents, FLAWS.

Why do you think rich people send their kids to martial arts early?

They want these abilities to be INSTINCTIVE.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

I know a lotbof people that are looking for a degree just for the sake of fiting in.

 

[mryounggun]

It's not "wrong" because it's not a lie. Depending on the career you do need college, grad school etc. in order to get in the door. Statistically speaking those who attend college are more successful in their careers than those that aren't. That "fact' can't really be argued. I think what does need to be emphasized though are 2 important things. Not all worthwhile careers involve going to a 4 year+ school for a degree and 2. Even if you decide to focus on a career that takes up a trade that still doesn't mean at some point you won't have to attend some form of schooling or classes to know what the hell you're doing. I think when people often say "I know someone who didnt go to college but is still doing ok" they fail to mention that to be successful at ANY career you have to make yourself knowledgeable about that craft and many trades have CE courses you have to take in order to remain licensed, active, etc. Bottom line is, there's no real way to get ahead in this world w/o some form of extra schooling geared towards whatever the hell it is you want to do in life.

Yes, it is.

Close thread.

 

[DarcSkies]

Its some dumb sumbitches in college (i've met them). It is no guarantee of intellect or success.

But it is important you tell them that although having a degree wont guarantee success it will increase their chances of making more money in the future and having a degree will benefit you in ways you didnt even realize. When I used to tutor math & english I started at $21/hour just because I had a degree. Others started at $18/hr I think.

More job opportunities were opened for me when I was job searching. A lot of them say, "college degree only."

But a lot of it doesn't have to do with whether you have a degree but what kind of degree you you have. Science degrees are in high demand now where as degrees in humanities are not.

Also a 4-year degree is starting to be like a high school diploma. Going to a trade school and getting a Electrician's Cert or a Mechanical certification is a good idea these days if you just looking for a decent job that pays well and dont have a specific suit & tie job in mind.

*shrug*

 

[blackrain]

It's not "wrong" because it's not a lie. Depending on the career you do need college, grad school etc. in order to get in the door. Statistically speaking those who attend college are more successful in their careers than those that aren't. That "fact' can't really be argued. I think what does need to be emphasized though are 2 important things. Not all worthwhile careers involve going to a 4 year+ school for a degree and 2. Even if you decide to focus on a career that takes up a trade that still doesn't mean at some point you won't have to attend some form of schooling or classes to know what the hell you're doing. I think when people often say "I know someone who didnt go to college but is still doing ok" they fail to mention that to be successful at ANY career you have to make yourself knowledgeable about that craft and many trades have CE courses you have to take in order to remain licensed, active, etc. Bottom line is, there's no real way to get ahead in this world w/o some form of extra schooling geared towards whatever the hell it is you want to do in life.

Yes, it is.

Close thread.

No it's not a lie. Depending on what you want to do, you need a degree for a shot to be successful. Never in that post did I say it was the only way.

 

[blacktux]

Teach your kids to use the system to their benefit.

Regarding school there are 3 types od people.

1. System players. They are told by their parents from day one to go to college. So they never think outside the box and go to school and follow directions.

2. Those who understand the system and dont get trapped. These are people who I think are smarter than system players. They dont go to college and find other ways to be succesful.

3. Rare people who understand how the system works and use it to benefit them. They will go to college just to have a degree and use it as a stepping stone and a back up and not the end.

Ima try to teach my people to have the #3 state of mind.

CHHHHHHHHUUUUUURCHH

 

[LUClEN]

I thought I was a crap student with a 3.4 cgpa

I saw some of the class averages on my transcript though and there are courses with c and D averages

I really didn't know there were so many people doing the bare minimum to get their degree. These kinds of people seem like the ones that won't see a good return on their investment in education. If you actually push yourself to learn the material and master the skills needed for professionals in your chosen field there is little reason for you to not to find opportunities. Unless it's a field in low demand, but even these career paths are not completely devoid of work. The positions just go to those who excel and do it well enough to turn a profit.

 

[1800skypager]

College...

One of the biggest rackets goin'...

You attend university as a bright-faced teenager with aspirations of landing a high-paying job after graduation, but instead you leave with a degree that's not worth the paper it's printed on and enter an oversaturated job market... Oh yeah, you also owe 30-xxxK in loans to the GOVERNMENT six months post graduation whether you are employed or not... Don't forget the credit cards you maxed out too...

Looks like the universities and government win and the students loose.

You really want to be successful?

Come up with an idea by thinking outside the box then capitalize on it and enter the land of wealth forever.

 

[T. Sanford]

Teach your kids to use the system to their benefit.

Regarding school there are 3 types od people.

1. System players. They are told by their parents from day one to go to college. So they never think outside the box and go to school and follow directions.

2. Those who understand the system and dont get trapped. These are people who I think are smarter than system players. They dont go to college and find other ways to be succesful.

3. Rare people who understand how the system works and use it to benefit them. They will go to college just to have a degree and use it as a stepping stone and a back up and not the end.

Ima try to teach my people to have the #3 state of mind.

I'm using college with the option #3 right now.

 

[mryounggun]

It's not "wrong" because it's not a lie. Depending on the career you do need college, grad school etc. in order to get in the door. Statistically speaking those who attend college are more successful in their careers than those that aren't. That "fact' can't really be argued. I think what does need to be emphasized though are 2 important things. Not all worthwhile careers involve going to a 4 year+ school for a degree and 2. Even if you decide to focus on a career that takes up a trade that still doesn't mean at some point you won't have to attend some form of schooling or classes to know what the hell you're doing. I think when people often say "I know someone who didnt go to college but is still doing ok" they fail to mention that to be successful at ANY career you have to make yourself knowledgeable about that craft and many trades have CE courses you have to take in order to remain licensed, active, etc. Bottom line is, there's no real way to get ahead in this world w/o some form of extra schooling geared towards whatever the hell it is you want to do in life.

Yes, it is.

Close thread.

No it's not a lie. Depending on what you want to do, you need a degree for a shot to be successful. Never in that post did I say it was the only way.

Yes it is. Period. Point blank.

If it wasn't a lie, there wouldn't be any people who have college degrees and are unsuccessful. There are plenty of them.

Stop it, B. The statement in the thread title clearly says, 'If you get a college degree, you will be successful.'. Since here are plenty of people who have degrees who are NOT successful, that means the statement is a lie. I respect your view on most shit, but there really isn't room for any sort of view on this one. It's black or white. People exist who have a degree and are not successful. This is one is checkers...not chess.

 

[Purr]

Does a college degree guarantee a job/career?

I always believed that this rhetoric that was pushed by W.E.B. Dubois was detrimental to Black Americans because being educated does not guarantee a job/career; however, I do agree with Booker T. Washington's theory of Black Americans owning land, being the head of agriculture, and understand the economic of the land; was the smartest theory to established generational wealth amongst Black Americans. He always stated that the person who owns the land, rules the land/country ( not verbatim, but pretty fucking close). Unfortunately, not many Black Americans took to Washington's ideas due to it being to radical for them to understand, but they understood education and the importance of it that was pushed to Black Americans to attain.

Does a college degree mean you will be successful?

No, a college degree does not mean you will be successful in life because it is not a guarantee in our modern times. However, a college degree does assist a person with establishing an upper hand to getting a job interview over someone who does not have a college degree.

do people know what successful is?

I believe that most People of Color do not have an actual representation of what real success looks like. Speaking from the perspective of a Black American, our representation of success is a Black man who is in any professional sports league or a Black woman who is an entertainer, which is an anomalous representation of true success.

If People of Color had a real idea of success,then they would prosper because they would have an attainable goal to achieve; instead of being one in a million chance to have that hit record or signing a contract promising millions of dollars.

what if they dont go to college and become successful?

Going to college is not a clear correlation to being successful. Hard work, determination, asking questions, networking, failing and dedication are the attributes of being successful. Because if a person is focused on achieving their personal goal of being successful, then they would do anything to have their goal attained.

is it more "successful" people with degrees than those that dont have them?

I am not sure of that statistic at the current moment, nor do I want to look for it because I am actually taking a break from my homework. lol



is this way of thinking flawed? or is it about getting a degree and having options?

There is no right or wrong way of thinking to be successful; however, I do believe one should get a degree/certifications just to having options and more opportunities.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Does a college degree guarantee a job/career?

I always believed that this rhetoric that was pushed by W.E.B. Dubois was detrimental to Black Americans because being educated does not guarantee a job/career; however, I do agree with Booker T. Washington's theory of Black Americans owning land, being the head of agriculture, and understand the economic of the land; was the smartest theory to established generational wealth amongst Black Americans. He always stated that the person who owns the land, rules the land/country ( not verbatim, but pretty fucking close). Unfortunately, not many Black Americans took to Washington's ideas due to it being to radical for them to understand, but they understood education and the importance of it that was pushed to Black Americans to attain.

Does a college degree mean you will be successful?

No, a college degree does not mean you will be successful in life because it is not a guarantee in our modern times. However, a college degree does assist a person with establishing an upper hand to getting a job interview over someone who does not have a college degree.

do people know what successful is?



I believe that most People of Color do not have an actual representation of what real success looks like. Speaking from the perspective of a Black American, our representation of success is a Black man who is in any professional sports league or a Black woman who is an entertainer, which is an anomalous representation of true success.

If People of Color had a real idea of success,then they would prosper because they would have an attainable goal to achieve; instead of being one in a million chance to have that hit record or signing a contract promising millions of dollars.

what if they dont go to college and become successful?

Going to college is not a clear correlation to being successful. Hard work, determination, asking questions, networking, failing and dedication are the attributes of being successful. Because if a person is focused on achieving their personal goal of being successful, then they would do anything to have their goal attained.

is it more "successful" people with degrees than those that dont have them?

I am not sure of that statistic at the current moment, nor do I want to look for it because I am actually taking a break from my homework. lol



is this way of thinking flawed? or is it about getting a degree and having options?

There is no right or wrong way of thinking to be successful; however, I do believe one should get a degree/certifications just to having options and more opportunities.

Does a college degree guarantee a job/career?

I always believed that this rhetoric that was pushed by W.E.B. Dubois was detrimental to Black Americans because being educated does not guarantee a job/career; however, I do agree with Booker T. Washington's theory of Black Americans owning land, being the head of agriculture, and understand the economic of the land; was the smartest theory to established generational wealth amongst Black Americans. He always stated that the person who owns the land, rules the land/country ( not verbatim, but pretty fucking close). Unfortunately, not many Black Americans took to Washington's ideas due to it being to radical for them to understand, but they understood education and the importance of it that was pushed to Black Americans to attain.

Does a college degree mean you will be successful?

No, a college degree does not mean you will be successful in life because it is not a guarantee in our modern times. However, a college degree does assist a person with establishing an upper hand to getting a job interview over someone who does not have a college degree.

do people know what successful is?

I believe that most People of Color do not have an actual representation of what real success looks like. Speaking from the perspective of a Black American, our representation of success is a Black man who is in any professional sports league or a Black woman who is an entertainer, which is an anomalous representation of true success.

If People of Color had a real idea of success,then they would prosper because they would have an attainable goal to achieve; instead of being one in a million chance to have that hit record or signing a contract promising millions of dollars.

what if they dont go to college and become successful?

Going to college is not a clear correlation to being successful. Hard work, determination, asking questions, networking, failing and dedication are the attributes of being successful. Because if a person is focused on achieving their personal goal of being successful, then they would do anything to have their goal attained.

is it more "successful" people with degrees than those that dont have them?

I am not sure of that statistic at the current moment, nor do I want to look for it because I am actually taking a break from my homework. lol



is this way of thinking flawed? or is it about getting a degree and having options?

There is no right or wrong way of thinking to be successful; however, I do believe one should get a degree/certifications just to having options and more opportunities.

@ the bolded.

@Chuckpilgrim‌

how are you sweety?

we do have positive examples. most are just taught to look for the flash and money and easy way. if it aint high profile or have a nice title they dont want to look at it.

you can be successfully mentally and the money just hasnt come yet or may never come?

then we have people who basically give up because college wasnt an option. so they dont put too much into anything else and begin to live going to whatever job because they dont know what they really ever wanted.

i see plenty of people who are successful by doing what they like.

alot of people cant even comprehend that like alone understand it when they see it.

thats why they rather work for someone for a check to show they are successful.

 

[Purr]

@Pralims

how are you sweety?

I am well, thank you for asking. How are you?

we do have positive examples. most are just taught to look for the flash and money and easy way. if it aint high profile or have a nice title they dont want to look at it.

I never stated that there weren't positive examples of successful Black Americans; however, when you have a powerful medium like: television, music, movies, and etc why would anyone attain to be a regular successful person, when they can attain power, money, exclusivity.

you can be successfully mentally and the money just hasnt come yet or may never come?

Contrary to popular beliefs, some people do not determine their success by the zeros in their bank account, but by their own measure of happiness. So, to simply answer your question: yes, a person can be successful mentally and not have the money that one would believe that they deserve for their work.

then we have people who basically give up because college wasnt an option. so they dont put too much into anything else and begin to live going to whatever job because they dont know what they really ever wanted.

College is not an option when High Schools in the U.S. are not preparing these students to learning how to construct a proper sentence, the basic of research, doing math without the use of a calculator, and no opportunity to grow due to their economic conditions.



If a person wants to work at a job that provides them happiness with enough to live their life to be happy, then why should they stress to achieve a defaulted American dream?

Plus, people do have an idea on what they would want to contribute to this world, but some do not work towards their idea due to so many factors that discourage them.

i see plenty of people who are successful by doing what they like.

I concur with your statement, I would state that you are one of those people who are successful by doing what they like.

alot of people cant even comprehend that like alone understand it when they see it. that's why they rather work for someone for a check to show they are successful.

How can an ignorant person comprehend the idea of success, when they are not aware that they too can be successful by their own perspective of what success is to them.

For the second statement, I do not agree. Some people just want to work for a check and go home without the hard work, stress, and emotional mood swings of trying to be successful on their own.

 

[S2J]

Seems to me a lot of yall are advocating for a life that mirrors what YOU want: anti-authority, anti-social, 'i dont wanna dress up', 'i wanna be my own boss', etc...thats what YOU want.

I would think you want to give your kid the path to least resistance career-wise. And there is no debate, that path is w/ a degree. Someone w/ a degree career-wise can do anything one w/out can, but one w/out has COUNTLESS doors closed to them w/ out a degree. I mean what are we even talkin here lol smh

The 'entreprenuers' and *cough* pimps and world travelers and 'what does he even do' people of the world are great and God bless them but they are the exception.

 

[S2J]

College isn't a guaranteed path to success sure it helps but it's just as important individuals diversify themselves.

I believe more people especially young Blacks should explore skills trades such being a electrician, plumber, welder, carpentry, and other skill type trade.

The trades are generally considerably cheaper to get, one doesn't have to go to school as long, and individuals also do accumulate the amount of debt either.

More individuals should look at entrepreneurship as well, because there is more money to be made when you work for yourself but it also requires more discipline.

Do you know how fukin stupid that sounds. Do you understand what that says of what you think about our race

'Low expectation havin mfer'- Chris Rock

Ngga thats what they tell ex-cons!! Tha fuk...

 

[T. Sanford]

A degree is like my gun..........I rather be caught with one than without it.

@Chuckpilgrim‌ is smart. If I stayed in LA then she'll be my offline homie fasho

 

[Purr]

Lol @t. Sanford

Shhh.... im a ratchet

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Its not for everybody.

 

[Dupac]

Its wrong to teach them that anything in this world is "guaranteed"

whatever you want

you have to work harder than the nxt person to achieve it

thats it

out work and out smart the next person

 

[count remy]

a half truth is a full lie. if you you tell them that, you should also tell them the rest; or don't tell them anything.