Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

Iran wants the total destruction of israel and america therefore they cannot be trusted all the saudis want is to stay in power and keep influence in the region that's fine with me i have not read anything that would lead me to believe that the saudis want to wipe us off the map. Iran is playing a game it offers help with the isis problem but at the cost of us easing back on letting develop nuclear weapons.

israel has all right to use it's nukes or any other weapon it has to protect itself, but america can prevent what would be a horror in so many ways by supporting israel now so that they won't feel pushed to the limit. trying to use the south african situation is a horrible comparison because south africa had choices that israel does not have israel has to be that way it is or face extinction.

when south africa integrated the white people there stayed on top for the most part. that would not happen in israel because culturally speaking muslims have to rule supreme in muslim lands and they consider israel to be muslim land. You don't understand the religious mind these people on both sides of the israel-palestine conflict are never going to stop unless supreme force is used. you have not answered my question so i will ask again what will happen to the jews if israel is no longer an apartheid state???

If the Jews of Israel no longer have an apartheid state, they will simply have to do what ALL HUMANS have to do, ADAPT. They may not like how Palestinians and Arabs vote (haha), but Israel AGAIN should have thought about that before settling in the Middle East, land of them being outnumbered 1000-1. That's not my fucking problem if Israelis don't like how Palestinians would vote in their land, they would just have to learn how to survive, as the White people of South Africa are surviving in that land. White people in South Africa still have the most money and best land, and the Israelis could learn after them. Plus Jews lived for thousands of years alongside Arabs and while Europe was tormenting them, Jews had solid relations in many parts of the Arab world. If Jews can survive in Iran, then they can survive a non-apartheid state in Israel.

Apartheid is going nowhere for Israelis, unless Israelis like having rockets fired at them and little kids throwing rocks at them all the time. Doesn't seem like a pleasant life to me.

The bold is the most funniest shit you have ever said LOL their is no adaption living under islam especially when islam teaches that jews are pigs. WE ARE not in the world of 700 years ago the jews of today are not going to accept living under the submission of islam especially sunni islam and paying jizah.

So your answer to my question is we should just let the jews be killed, you have no solution . south africa is not israel the situation and cultures are vastly different. The jews will be slaughtered if what you want happens therefore israel would be in the right to use any means to defend itself. it is no longer palestinian land they lost the wars and don't have the power to take it back it's israel now. The palestinians and the arabs are going to have to learn to except that the sooner they do the closer we will be to peace.

israelis don't have a pleasant life but at least they have a life and the state of war is actually not that bad for israel because it give them an excuse to take palestinian land, you don't really know shit about islam they cannot accept peace with israel.

Rush Limbaugh is that you? Sean Hannity, is that you?

Why are you acting like all the Palestinians are Muslim, there are many Christian and secular Palestinians living in that land. Up to 35% of all Palestinians in the area are Christian according to some sources. You do realize Christianity, your religion, was founded around Bethlehem, Palestinian territory, right?

And if Israel was to give up apartheid and Palestinians then try to slaughter the Israelis, then Israel would use its military as they always do. And the Jews can't be slaughtered off, stop acting like they are a weak people, the Jews there have way bigger weapons, armor, and fighting capability compared to the Arabs. The Arabs can't beat the Jews for shit, it's obvious and one reason why your paranoid fears of "Jews being slaughtered" is overblown. The Israelis there could build fortified communities and in fact they already do, stop this nonsense of you stating the Jews will be slaughtered off if apartheid there ends. Maybe Israel should enter a dictatorship, so no one votes? Maybe that would keep the Jewish supremacy you want in Israel, but the apartheid, stealing of water/land, and kicking Palestinians and Arabs out of there homes is EVIL and immoral, and must be stopped.

Again, stop your nonsensical fear of Jews being slaughtered, they have the weapons and armor to a level that it will never happen.

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

Iran wants the total destruction of israel and america therefore they cannot be trusted all the saudis want is to stay in power and keep influence in the region that's fine with me i have not read anything that would lead me to believe that the saudis want to wipe us off the map. Iran is playing a game it offers help with the isis problem but at the cost of us easing back on letting develop nuclear weapons.

israel has all right to use it's nukes or any other weapon it has to protect itself, but america can prevent what would be a horror in so many ways by supporting israel now so that they won't feel pushed to the limit. trying to use the south african situation is a horrible comparison because south africa had choices that israel does not have israel has to be that way it is or face extinction.

when south africa integrated the white people there stayed on top for the most part. that would not happen in israel because culturally speaking muslims have to rule supreme in muslim lands and they consider israel to be muslim land. You don't understand the religious mind these people on both sides of the israel-palestine conflict are never going to stop unless supreme force is used. you have not answered my question so i will ask again what will happen to the jews if israel is no longer an apartheid state???

If the Jews of Israel no longer have an apartheid state, they will simply have to do what ALL HUMANS have to do, ADAPT. They may not like how Palestinians and Arabs vote (haha), but Israel AGAIN should have thought about that before settling in the Middle East, land of them being outnumbered 1000-1. That's not my fucking problem if Israelis don't like how Palestinians would vote in their land, they would just have to learn how to survive, as the White people of South Africa are surviving in that land. White people in South Africa still have the most money and best land, and the Israelis could learn after them. Plus Jews lived for thousands of years alongside Arabs and while Europe was tormenting them, Jews had solid relations in many parts of the Arab world. If Jews can survive in Iran, then they can survive a non-apartheid state in Israel.

Apartheid is going nowhere for Israelis, unless Israelis like having rockets fired at them and little kids throwing rocks at them all the time. Doesn't seem like a pleasant life to me.

The bold is the most funniest shit you have ever said LOL their is no adaption living under islam especially when islam teaches that jews are pigs. WE ARE not in the world of 700 years ago the jews of today are not going to accept living under the submission of islam especially sunni islam and paying jizah.

So your answer to my question is we should just let the jews be killed, you have no solution . south africa is not israel the situation and cultures are vastly different. The jews will be slaughtered if what you want happens therefore israel would be in the right to use any means to defend itself. it is no longer palestinian land they lost the wars and don't have the power to take it back it's israel now. The palestinians and the arabs are going to have to learn to except that the sooner they do the closer we will be to peace.

israelis don't have a pleasant life but at least they have a life and the state of war is actually not that bad for israel because it give them an excuse to take palestinian land, you don't really know shit about islam they cannot accept peace with israel.

Rush Limbaugh is that you? Sean Hannity, is that you?

Why are you acting like all the Palestinians are Muslim, there are many Christian and secular Palestinians living in that land. Up to 35% of all Palestinians in the area are Christian according to some sources. You do realize Christianity, your religion, was founded around Bethlehem, Palestinian territory, right?

And if Israel was to give up apartheid and Palestinians then try to slaughter the Israelis, then Israel would use its military as they always do. And the Jews can't be slaughtered off, stop acting like they are a weak people, the Jews there have way bigger weapons, armor, and fighting capability compared to the Arabs. The Arabs can't beat the Jews for shit, it's obvious and one reason why your paranoid fears of "Jews being slaughtered" is overblown. The Israelis there could build fortified communities and in fact they already do, stop this nonsense of you stating the Jews will be slaughtered off if apartheid there ends. Maybe Israel should enter a dictatorship, so no one votes? Maybe that would keep the Jewish supremacy you want in Israel, but the apartheid, stealing of water/land, and kicking Palestinians and Arabs out of there homes is EVIL and immoral, and must be stopped.

Again, stop your nonsensical fear of Jews being slaughtered, they have the weapons and armor to a level that it will never happen.

there are palestinians christians but so the fuck what they don't control their islamic neigorbors who would slaughter every jew in israel if given the chance and i asked you what you would do about the jews.

the jews can't be slaughtered off because of the system they run in which muslims are kept out of the ranks of power. what you are asking for is the removal of that system. If they integrate muslims are going to be in the military and every area of the state it's too high a risk for a nation that was founded on giving the jewish people a homeland to take. Pay attention to what i am saying and stop acting stupid HOW LONG do you think these fortified communities can hold out if the government decides to integrate?? a few decades at most

the only thing we agree on is that israel should stop the settlements but for israel to survive they cannot just make the arab muslims in israel full citizens.

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

Iran wants the total destruction of israel and america therefore they cannot be trusted all the saudis want is to stay in power and keep influence in the region that's fine with me i have not read anything that would lead me to believe that the saudis want to wipe us off the map. Iran is playing a game it offers help with the isis problem but at the cost of us easing back on letting develop nuclear weapons.

israel has all right to use it's nukes or any other weapon it has to protect itself, but america can prevent what would be a horror in so many ways by supporting israel now so that they won't feel pushed to the limit. trying to use the south african situation is a horrible comparison because south africa had choices that israel does not have israel has to be that way it is or face extinction.

when south africa integrated the white people there stayed on top for the most part. that would not happen in israel because culturally speaking muslims have to rule supreme in muslim lands and they consider israel to be muslim land. You don't understand the religious mind these people on both sides of the israel-palestine conflict are never going to stop unless supreme force is used. you have not answered my question so i will ask again what will happen to the jews if israel is no longer an apartheid state???

If the Jews of Israel no longer have an apartheid state, they will simply have to do what ALL HUMANS have to do, ADAPT. They may not like how Palestinians and Arabs vote (haha), but Israel AGAIN should have thought about that before settling in the Middle East, land of them being outnumbered 1000-1. That's not my fucking problem if Israelis don't like how Palestinians would vote in their land, they would just have to learn how to survive, as the White people of South Africa are surviving in that land. White people in South Africa still have the most money and best land, and the Israelis could learn after them. Plus Jews lived for thousands of years alongside Arabs and while Europe was tormenting them, Jews had solid relations in many parts of the Arab world. If Jews can survive in Iran, then they can survive a non-apartheid state in Israel.

Apartheid is going nowhere for Israelis, unless Israelis like having rockets fired at them and little kids throwing rocks at them all the time. Doesn't seem like a pleasant life to me.

The bold is the most funniest shit you have ever said LOL their is no adaption living under islam especially when islam teaches that jews are pigs. WE ARE not in the world of 700 years ago the jews of today are not going to accept living under the submission of islam especially sunni islam and paying jizah.

So your answer to my question is we should just let the jews be killed, you have no solution . south africa is not israel the situation and cultures are vastly different. The jews will be slaughtered if what you want happens therefore israel would be in the right to use any means to defend itself. it is no longer palestinian land they lost the wars and don't have the power to take it back it's israel now. The palestinians and the arabs are going to have to learn to except that the sooner they do the closer we will be to peace.

israelis don't have a pleasant life but at least they have a life and the state of war is actually not that bad for israel because it give them an excuse to take palestinian land, you don't really know shit about islam they cannot accept peace with israel.

Rush Limbaugh is that you? Sean Hannity, is that you?

Why are you acting like all the Palestinians are Muslim, there are many Christian and secular Palestinians living in that land. Up to 35% of all Palestinians in the area are Christian according to some sources. You do realize Christianity, your religion, was founded around Bethlehem, Palestinian territory, right?

And if Israel was to give up apartheid and Palestinians then try to slaughter the Israelis, then Israel would use its military as they always do. And the Jews can't be slaughtered off, stop acting like they are a weak people, the Jews there have way bigger weapons, armor, and fighting capability compared to the Arabs. The Arabs can't beat the Jews for shit, it's obvious and one reason why your paranoid fears of "Jews being slaughtered" is overblown. The Israelis there could build fortified communities and in fact they already do, stop this nonsense of you stating the Jews will be slaughtered off if apartheid there ends. Maybe Israel should enter a dictatorship, so no one votes? Maybe that would keep the Jewish supremacy you want in Israel, but the apartheid, stealing of water/land, and kicking Palestinians and Arabs out of there homes is EVIL and immoral, and must be stopped.

Again, stop your nonsensical fear of Jews being slaughtered, they have the weapons and armor to a level that it will never happen.

there are palestinians christians but so the fuck what they don't control their islamic neigorbors who would slaughter every jew in israel if given the chance and i asked you what you would do about the jews.

the jews can't be slaughtered off because of the system they run in which muslims are kept out of the ranks of power. what you are asking for is the removal of that system. If they integrate muslims are going to be in the military and every area of the state it's too high a risk for a nation that was founded on giving the jewish people a homeland to take. Pay attention to what i am saying and stop acting stupid HOW LONG do you think these fortified communities can hold out if the government decides to integrate?? a few decades at most

the only thing we agree on is that israel should stop the settlements but for israel to survive they cannot just make the arab muslims in israel full citizens.

Your post is off on several points: Arabs and Muslims are already serving in Israel's military and Muslims actually hold several positions in Israeli govt already (very small positions I'll admit that). So you're wrong there.

As far as the fortified communities Israel's Jews can and already are building, they can survive almost any onslaught, Israel's military usually supports the fortified and illegal settlements all over that place. Israeli soldiers are known to walk around the fortified communities as well and they can hold their own, you're making the Jews of Israel look like a bunch of weaklings who can't handle a gun. I see you also aren't familiar with the tons of checkpoints that make it very difficult for Palestinians to even enter Jewish neighborhoods in Israel. Learn some more about Israel's security measures before you say something like this, Israeli Jews will be fine if it ends its terrorist creating apartheid system

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

learn to read i said they are kept out of positions of power there are a few arab muslims in the IDf but they are not in any important positions, so no i am not wrong. Actually read my previous post and put it together with the one before it before you respond. your reading comprehension is horrible you addressed nothing in my post

let me try to explain this to you again. If america had members of isis, boko haram or hamas walking around and gave them citizenship and excess to all the freedoms of everyone else what do you think would happen??? we would be betrayed and american citizens killed. That is what you propose for israel except it would be even worse for them they know this and that is why they keep an apartheid system

all those check points and idf patrols would gone OR THEYE would prove ineffective because the enemy would already be in israel your can't be this fucking dense. Not to mention the state is of israel is based on judaism allowing muslims full citizenship and national voting right risk giving them the power to erase the jewish character of the state.

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

learn to read i said they are kept out of positions of power there are a few arab muslims in the IDf but they are not in any important positions, so no i am not wrong. Actually read my previous post and put it together with the one before it before you respond. your reading comprehension is horrible you addressed nothing in my post

let me try to explain this to you again. If america had members of isis, boko haram or hamas walking around and gave them citizenship and excess to all the freedoms of everyone else what do you think would happen??? we would be betrayed and american citizens killed. That is what you propose for israel except it would be even worse for them they know this and that is why they keep an apartheid system

all those check points and idf patrols would gone OR THEYE would prove ineffective because the enemy would already be in israel your can't be this fucking dense. Not to mention the state is of israel is based on judaism allowing muslims full citizenship and national voting right risk giving them the power to erase the jewish character of the state.

I did address your post, I said Arabs and Muslims do hold positions of power in Israeli govt, military and the Knesset itself. Obviously, the Palestinians don't have the power to actually end the apartheid but if you're that paranoid the Jews there would be killed off if apartheid ends because Palestinians hate them so much, you're again ignoring history. Jews had close ties to MANY Muslims in the Middle East for a long time, not a great relationship but Jews thrived in many parts of the Middle East before the creation of Israel. Hamas does hate Israel but AGAIN, so does half the world basically. Israel can end a lot of that hatred by stopping the BS it's doing over there and listening to the demands of the Arab world, and Americans can end a lot of the hate against it by not aiding directly the apartheid.

In the end, you're just being paranoid and again ignoring the history of Jewish relations in the Middle East before modern Israel. Research it and see for yourself that relations btw Muslims and Jews were much better before the state of Israel created close to a million refugees in 1948 alone.

If Israel continues the status quo, then Christians and Jews will continue having a horrible life in the region. Take your pick.

 

[kingblaze84]

I'm not religious and I find it humorous the world's 3 most religious peoples are all killing each other and acting like barbarians around each other more then any secular nations that I can think of. It's been a long time since any secular nation like China or Sweden has been involved in the barbarian nonsense that these 3 religious groups are acting a fool about.

Out of topic but I had to say it

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

learn to read i said they are kept out of positions of power there are a few arab muslims in the IDf but they are not in any important positions, so no i am not wrong. Actually read my previous post and put it together with the one before it before you respond. your reading comprehension is horrible you addressed nothing in my post

let me try to explain this to you again. If america had members of isis, boko haram or hamas walking around and gave them citizenship and excess to all the freedoms of everyone else what do you think would happen??? we would be betrayed and american citizens killed. That is what you propose for israel except it would be even worse for them they know this and that is why they keep an apartheid system

all those check points and idf patrols would gone OR THEYE would prove ineffective because the enemy would already be in israel your can't be this fucking dense. Not to mention the state is of israel is based on judaism allowing muslims full citizenship and national voting right risk giving them the power to erase the jewish character of the state.

I did address your post, I said Arabs and Muslims do hold positions of power in Israeli govt, military and the Knesset itself. Obviously, the Palestinians don't have the power to actually end the apartheid but if you're that paranoid the Jews there would be killed off if apartheid ends because Palestinians hate them so much, you're again ignoring history. Jews had close ties to MANY Muslims in the Middle East for a long time, not a great relationship but Jews thrived in many parts of the Middle East before the creation of Israel. Hamas does hate Israel but AGAIN, so does half the world basically. Israel can end a lot of that hatred by stopping the BS it's doing over there and listening to the demands of the Arab world, and Americans can end a lot of the hate against it by not aiding directly the apartheid.

In the end, you're just being paranoid and again ignoring the history of Jewish relations in the Middle East before modern Israel. Research it and see for yourself that relations btw Muslims and Jews were much better before the state of Israel created close to a million refugees in 1948 alone.

If Israel continues the status quo, then Christians and Jews will continue having a horrible life in the region. Take your pick.

the bolded is not true the arabs serve lowly positions of little influence in israel and connection that the jews had while living under islamic rule have been broken you yourself say israel is the second most hated nation in the world you think that hate is just going to evaporate??? don't be so naive it's too late for that. In this century jewish people will not be willing to live under sunni rule and oppression IN ISLAM only when non-muslims are subduded can they be treated with even the lightest respect jews don't want to live as dhimmi any more

the demands of the arab world??? they want israel destroyed. This is some of the history of jews in the middle east
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_Fez_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

for centuries jews and christians live at the mercy of muslim rulers fuck that it's 2014 no more let the fucking arabs those days are over

 

[janklow]

Regarding Saudi Arabia and the Middle East in general, my attitude is that America should generally butt out of the problems of the Middle East, at least for awhile. This is my general stance.

which is fine. but even if Saudi Arabia is filled with fundamentalist-loving assholes (let's agree that this is true), there is still a big, legitimate difference between it and ISIS. maybe they're BOTH a problem on some level, hey, but ISIS is really the more immediate, outrageous threat.

As far as America's reputation in the Middle East, I admit the Israeli issues would not solve all of the problems America has in the region. But it would get rid of most of the problems the region has with us because as the king of Jordan said and as Osama Bin Laden said himself, the American ties to Israel brings negativity because Israel is blatant with its apartheid and America gives money and aid to Israel.

the king of Jordan may have a point. UBL, however, can get fucked, since he was also furiously offended by things like "Americans defending SA during the Gulf War."

And what do you mean some of the Crusades didn't involve the Middle East?

Northern Crusades: taking the fight against pagans in northern Europe

Fourth Crusade: wherein the fight against Muslims in Jerusalem becomes "eh, let's just sack Orthodox Christian Constantinople"

Albigensian Crusade: taking the fight to presumably heretical Christians in France (and giving us the saying, "kill them all, for the Lord knoweth them that are His")

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

learn to read i said they are kept out of positions of power there are a few arab muslims in the IDf but they are not in any important positions, so no i am not wrong. Actually read my previous post and put it together with the one before it before you respond. your reading comprehension is horrible you addressed nothing in my post

let me try to explain this to you again. If america had members of isis, boko haram or hamas walking around and gave them citizenship and excess to all the freedoms of everyone else what do you think would happen??? we would be betrayed and american citizens killed. That is what you propose for israel except it would be even worse for them they know this and that is why they keep an apartheid system

all those check points and idf patrols would gone OR THEYE would prove ineffective because the enemy would already be in israel your can't be this fucking dense. Not to mention the state is of israel is based on judaism allowing muslims full citizenship and national voting right risk giving them the power to erase the jewish character of the state.

I did address your post, I said Arabs and Muslims do hold positions of power in Israeli govt, military and the Knesset itself. Obviously, the Palestinians don't have the power to actually end the apartheid but if you're that paranoid the Jews there would be killed off if apartheid ends because Palestinians hate them so much, you're again ignoring history. Jews had close ties to MANY Muslims in the Middle East for a long time, not a great relationship but Jews thrived in many parts of the Middle East before the creation of Israel. Hamas does hate Israel but AGAIN, so does half the world basically. Israel can end a lot of that hatred by stopping the BS it's doing over there and listening to the demands of the Arab world, and Americans can end a lot of the hate against it by not aiding directly the apartheid.

In the end, you're just being paranoid and again ignoring the history of Jewish relations in the Middle East before modern Israel. Research it and see for yourself that relations btw Muslims and Jews were much better before the state of Israel created close to a million refugees in 1948 alone.

If Israel continues the status quo, then Christians and Jews will continue having a horrible life in the region. Take your pick.

the bolded is not true the arabs serve lowly positions of little influence in israel and connection that the jews had while living under islamic rule have been broken you yourself say israel is the second most hated nation in the world you think that hate is just going to evaporate??? don't be so naive it's too late for that. In this century jewish people will not be willing to live under sunni rule and oppression IN ISLAM only when non-muslims are subduded can they be treated with even the lightest respect jews don't want to live as dhimmi any more

the demands of the arab world??? they want israel destroyed. This is some of the history of jews in the middle east
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_Fez_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

for centuries jews and christians live at the mercy of muslim rulers fuck that it's 2014 no more let the fucking arabs those days are over

Ok but thanks for noting that's only SOME of the history btw Jews and Muslims there. Think about it, Jews are a minority and and managed to build a long history there and survive, being outnumbered 1000-1. For them to survive like that in the region and be in large numbers before modern Israel was created means something.

As far as you believing Jews must keep their apartheid (which sounds as ridiculous as anything I've ever heard before), it's not helping America's reputation to help and support them doing this. If Israel wants to keep its system, fine but I don't want American taxpayer dollars directly supporting this nonsense. You support an evil policy because of irrational fears of Israel using nuclear weapons, but you foolishly state that you are NOT willing to take out Israeli leadership if your fears are so justified.

IF ISRAEL is so trigger happy to want to use nuclear weapons if it starts losing wars, then you should be the first one advocating that Israel is a threat to world peace, and support policies that change that situation. But you support apartheid, you having no shame, so I don't expect you to take the right approach to this situation at all.

And if Israel is so paranoid about Muslim rule in the region, then maybe the Israelis there should move out or learn to live with consequences of being in a region 1000-1. If I was to force myself into your home, take your property and force people in your home to live by my rules because my family owned your home 50-100 years ago, you would think I'm nuts. But you support policies that act just like this. You're a hypocrite of the finest order.

 

[kingblaze84]

Regarding Saudi Arabia and the Middle East in general, my attitude is that America should generally butt out of the problems of the Middle East, at least for awhile. This is my general stance.

which is fine. but even if Saudi Arabia is filled with fundamentalist-loving assholes (let's agree that this is true), there is still a big, legitimate difference between it and ISIS. maybe they're BOTH a problem on some level, hey, but ISIS is really the more immediate, outrageous threat.

As far as America's reputation in the Middle East, I admit the Israeli issues would not solve all of the problems America has in the region. But it would get rid of most of the problems the region has with us because as the king of Jordan said and as Osama Bin Laden said himself, the American ties to Israel brings negativity because Israel is blatant with its apartheid and America gives money and aid to Israel.

the king of Jordan may have a point. UBL, however, can get fucked, since he was also furiously offended by things like "Americans defending SA during the Gulf War."

And what do you mean some of the Crusades didn't involve the Middle East?

Northern Crusades: taking the fight against pagans in northern Europe

Fourth Crusade: wherein the fight against Muslims in Jerusalem becomes "eh, let's just sack Orthodox Christian Constantinople"

Albigensian Crusade: taking the fight to presumably heretical Christians in France (and giving us the saying, "kill them all, for the Lord knoweth them that are His")

We agree ISIS is a bigger threat to the region for now then Saudi Arabia, agreed. At least Saudi Arabia isn't forcing out Kurds and others from their homes (directly).

Osama and Al-Qaeda went too far of course but their grievances shouldn't be ignored, especially when so many around the world share their ideology and opinions. The King of Jordan and other moderate rulers of the region generally say that America can do more to improve its reputation in the region and I think we can agree it can. This will go a long way.

And yes I know about some of those times when Christians were killing each other and killing off Jews for their treasures, didn't know some of those other things though, interesting stuff I gotta read up on that tonight.

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

learn to read i said they are kept out of positions of power there are a few arab muslims in the IDf but they are not in any important positions, so no i am not wrong. Actually read my previous post and put it together with the one before it before you respond. your reading comprehension is horrible you addressed nothing in my post

let me try to explain this to you again. If america had members of isis, boko haram or hamas walking around and gave them citizenship and excess to all the freedoms of everyone else what do you think would happen??? we would be betrayed and american citizens killed. That is what you propose for israel except it would be even worse for them they know this and that is why they keep an apartheid system

all those check points and idf patrols would gone OR THEYE would prove ineffective because the enemy would already be in israel your can't be this fucking dense. Not to mention the state is of israel is based on judaism allowing muslims full citizenship and national voting right risk giving them the power to erase the jewish character of the state.

I did address your post, I said Arabs and Muslims do hold positions of power in Israeli govt, military and the Knesset itself. Obviously, the Palestinians don't have the power to actually end the apartheid but if you're that paranoid the Jews there would be killed off if apartheid ends because Palestinians hate them so much, you're again ignoring history. Jews had close ties to MANY Muslims in the Middle East for a long time, not a great relationship but Jews thrived in many parts of the Middle East before the creation of Israel. Hamas does hate Israel but AGAIN, so does half the world basically. Israel can end a lot of that hatred by stopping the BS it's doing over there and listening to the demands of the Arab world, and Americans can end a lot of the hate against it by not aiding directly the apartheid.

In the end, you're just being paranoid and again ignoring the history of Jewish relations in the Middle East before modern Israel. Research it and see for yourself that relations btw Muslims and Jews were much better before the state of Israel created close to a million refugees in 1948 alone.

If Israel continues the status quo, then Christians and Jews will continue having a horrible life in the region. Take your pick.

the bolded is not true the arabs serve lowly positions of little influence in israel and connection that the jews had while living under islamic rule have been broken you yourself say israel is the second most hated nation in the world you think that hate is just going to evaporate??? don't be so naive it's too late for that. In this century jewish people will not be willing to live under sunni rule and oppression IN ISLAM only when non-muslims are subduded can they be treated with even the lightest respect jews don't want to live as dhimmi any more

the demands of the arab world??? they want israel destroyed. This is some of the history of jews in the middle east
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_Fez_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

for centuries jews and christians live at the mercy of muslim rulers fuck that it's 2014 no more let the fucking arabs those days are over

Ok but thanks for noting that's only SOME of the history btw Jews and Muslims there. Think about it, Jews are a minority and and managed to build a long history there and survive, being outnumbered 1000-1. For them to survive like that in the region and be in large numbers before Israel was created means something.

As far as you believing Jews must keep their apartheid (which sounds as ridiculous as anything I've ever heard before), it's not helping America's reputation to help and support them doing this. If Israel wants to keep its system, fine but I don't want American taxpayer dollars directly supporting this nonsense. You support an evil policy because of irrational fears of Israel using nuclear weapons, but you foolishly state that you are NOT willing to take out Israeli leadership if your fears are so justified.

IF ISRAEL is so trigger happy to want to use nuclear weapons if it starts losing wars, then you should be the first one advocating that Israel is a threat to world peace, and support policies that change that situation. But you support apartheid, you having no shame, so I don't expect you to take the right approach to this situation at all.

survival under oppression is not something jews are willing to accept living at the whim of muslims is not something jews are willing to accept. it's not the year 1222 anymore even if muslims still think it is. I don't think america should give a fuck how the arab worlds sees us until they stop acting like savages you keep harping on america being hated and to me that's a non-factor, because at this point they are going to hate no matter what. I support apartheid in israel because without it the state cannot survive.

israel does not even need to use nuclear bombs to destroy their the arabs the regular army should do just fine but even if they did it would be in self defense israel is literally surrounded by the enemy what the fuck do you expect them to do??? if they are invaded. I don't want that to happen. i would prefer the arabs learn to be civilized , it's not on israel to change it's up to the arabs, the power to bring about peace in the middle east is in the hands of the arabs if israel did not want peace they would have took gaza and the west bank by now.

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

learn to read i said they are kept out of positions of power there are a few arab muslims in the IDf but they are not in any important positions, so no i am not wrong. Actually read my previous post and put it together with the one before it before you respond. your reading comprehension is horrible you addressed nothing in my post

let me try to explain this to you again. If america had members of isis, boko haram or hamas walking around and gave them citizenship and excess to all the freedoms of everyone else what do you think would happen??? we would be betrayed and american citizens killed. That is what you propose for israel except it would be even worse for them they know this and that is why they keep an apartheid system

all those check points and idf patrols would gone OR THEYE would prove ineffective because the enemy would already be in israel your can't be this fucking dense. Not to mention the state is of israel is based on judaism allowing muslims full citizenship and national voting right risk giving them the power to erase the jewish character of the state.

I did address your post, I said Arabs and Muslims do hold positions of power in Israeli govt, military and the Knesset itself. Obviously, the Palestinians don't have the power to actually end the apartheid but if you're that paranoid the Jews there would be killed off if apartheid ends because Palestinians hate them so much, you're again ignoring history. Jews had close ties to MANY Muslims in the Middle East for a long time, not a great relationship but Jews thrived in many parts of the Middle East before the creation of Israel. Hamas does hate Israel but AGAIN, so does half the world basically. Israel can end a lot of that hatred by stopping the BS it's doing over there and listening to the demands of the Arab world, and Americans can end a lot of the hate against it by not aiding directly the apartheid.

In the end, you're just being paranoid and again ignoring the history of Jewish relations in the Middle East before modern Israel. Research it and see for yourself that relations btw Muslims and Jews were much better before the state of Israel created close to a million refugees in 1948 alone.

If Israel continues the status quo, then Christians and Jews will continue having a horrible life in the region. Take your pick.

the bolded is not true the arabs serve lowly positions of little influence in israel and connection that the jews had while living under islamic rule have been broken you yourself say israel is the second most hated nation in the world you think that hate is just going to evaporate??? don't be so naive it's too late for that. In this century jewish people will not be willing to live under sunni rule and oppression IN ISLAM only when non-muslims are subduded can they be treated with even the lightest respect jews don't want to live as dhimmi any more

the demands of the arab world??? they want israel destroyed. This is some of the history of jews in the middle east
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_Fez_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

for centuries jews and christians live at the mercy of muslim rulers fuck that it's 2014 no more let the fucking arabs those days are over

Ok but thanks for noting that's only SOME of the history btw Jews and Muslims there. Think about it, Jews are a minority and and managed to build a long history there and survive, being outnumbered 1000-1. For them to survive like that in the region and be in large numbers before Israel was created means something.

As far as you believing Jews must keep their apartheid (which sounds as ridiculous as anything I've ever heard before), it's not helping America's reputation to help and support them doing this. If Israel wants to keep its system, fine but I don't want American taxpayer dollars directly supporting this nonsense. You support an evil policy because of irrational fears of Israel using nuclear weapons, but you foolishly state that you are NOT willing to take out Israeli leadership if your fears are so justified.

IF ISRAEL is so trigger happy to want to use nuclear weapons if it starts losing wars, then you should be the first one advocating that Israel is a threat to world peace, and support policies that change that situation. But you support apartheid, you having no shame, so I don't expect you to take the right approach to this situation at all.

survival under oppression is not something jews are willing to accept living at the whim of muslims is not something jews are willing to accept. it's not the year 1222 anymore even if muslims still think it is. I don't think america should give a fuck how the arab worlds sees us until they stop acting like savages you keep harping on america being hated and to me that's a non-factor, because at this point they are going to hate no matter what. I support apartheid in israel because without it the state cannot survive.

israel does not even need to use nuclear bombs to destroy their the arabs the regular army should do just fine but even if they did it would be in self defense israel is literally surrounded by the enemy what the fuck do you expect them to do??? if they are invaded. I don't want that to happen. i would prefer the arabs learn to be civilized , it's not on israel to change it's up to the arabs, the power to bring about peace in the middle east is in the hands of the arabs if israel did not want peace they would have took gaza and the west bank by now.

Israel already has Gaza and the West Bank though lol, they control their air space and water and their borders. And they are slowly taking more and more of it day by day, and you have to be blind to think America can't improve its reputation if it cuts off aid to Israel. You heard what the CIA officer said, it's simple logic, Arabs outnumber Israel 1000-1, Israel can't make them bow to their every demand. Even if the Arabs and Muslims there to you are "savages", then Israel acting like a vampire will only escalate the situation. I dislike religious fanatics from any religion, but Israelis are using the Torah to commit war crimes with American taxpayer support, you don't seem to care about America's reputation at all.

As I said, I'll let Israel do what it wants in that region as long as AMERICAN taxpayer dollars and political support don't go to that corrupt and immoral govt. For you to support apartheid is hilarious, you sound like a White cracka from 1800s Rhodesia, Belgium Congo or South Africa.

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

learn to read i said they are kept out of positions of power there are a few arab muslims in the IDf but they are not in any important positions, so no i am not wrong. Actually read my previous post and put it together with the one before it before you respond. your reading comprehension is horrible you addressed nothing in my post

let me try to explain this to you again. If america had members of isis, boko haram or hamas walking around and gave them citizenship and excess to all the freedoms of everyone else what do you think would happen??? we would be betrayed and american citizens killed. That is what you propose for israel except it would be even worse for them they know this and that is why they keep an apartheid system

all those check points and idf patrols would gone OR THEYE would prove ineffective because the enemy would already be in israel your can't be this fucking dense. Not to mention the state is of israel is based on judaism allowing muslims full citizenship and national voting right risk giving them the power to erase the jewish character of the state.

I did address your post, I said Arabs and Muslims do hold positions of power in Israeli govt, military and the Knesset itself. Obviously, the Palestinians don't have the power to actually end the apartheid but if you're that paranoid the Jews there would be killed off if apartheid ends because Palestinians hate them so much, you're again ignoring history. Jews had close ties to MANY Muslims in the Middle East for a long time, not a great relationship but Jews thrived in many parts of the Middle East before the creation of Israel. Hamas does hate Israel but AGAIN, so does half the world basically. Israel can end a lot of that hatred by stopping the BS it's doing over there and listening to the demands of the Arab world, and Americans can end a lot of the hate against it by not aiding directly the apartheid.

In the end, you're just being paranoid and again ignoring the history of Jewish relations in the Middle East before modern Israel. Research it and see for yourself that relations btw Muslims and Jews were much better before the state of Israel created close to a million refugees in 1948 alone.

If Israel continues the status quo, then Christians and Jews will continue having a horrible life in the region. Take your pick.

the bolded is not true the arabs serve lowly positions of little influence in israel and connection that the jews had while living under islamic rule have been broken you yourself say israel is the second most hated nation in the world you think that hate is just going to evaporate??? don't be so naive it's too late for that. In this century jewish people will not be willing to live under sunni rule and oppression IN ISLAM only when non-muslims are subduded can they be treated with even the lightest respect jews don't want to live as dhimmi any more

the demands of the arab world??? they want israel destroyed. This is some of the history of jews in the middle east
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_Fez_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

for centuries jews and christians live at the mercy of muslim rulers fuck that it's 2014 no more let the fucking arabs those days are over

Ok but thanks for noting that's only SOME of the history btw Jews and Muslims there. Think about it, Jews are a minority and and managed to build a long history there and survive, being outnumbered 1000-1. For them to survive like that in the region and be in large numbers before Israel was created means something.

As far as you believing Jews must keep their apartheid (which sounds as ridiculous as anything I've ever heard before), it's not helping America's reputation to help and support them doing this. If Israel wants to keep its system, fine but I don't want American taxpayer dollars directly supporting this nonsense. You support an evil policy because of irrational fears of Israel using nuclear weapons, but you foolishly state that you are NOT willing to take out Israeli leadership if your fears are so justified.

IF ISRAEL is so trigger happy to want to use nuclear weapons if it starts losing wars, then you should be the first one advocating that Israel is a threat to world peace, and support policies that change that situation. But you support apartheid, you having no shame, so I don't expect you to take the right approach to this situation at all.

survival under oppression is not something jews are willing to accept living at the whim of muslims is not something jews are willing to accept. it's not the year 1222 anymore even if muslims still think it is. I don't think america should give a fuck how the arab worlds sees us until they stop acting like savages you keep harping on america being hated and to me that's a non-factor, because at this point they are going to hate no matter what. I support apartheid in israel because without it the state cannot survive.

israel does not even need to use nuclear bombs to destroy their the arabs the regular army should do just fine but even if they did it would be in self defense israel is literally surrounded by the enemy what the fuck do you expect them to do??? if they are invaded. I don't want that to happen. i would prefer the arabs learn to be civilized , it's not on israel to change it's up to the arabs, the power to bring about peace in the middle east is in the hands of the arabs if israel did not want peace they would have took gaza and the west bank by now.

Israel already has Gaza and the West Bank though lol, they control their air space and water and their borders. And they are slowly taking more and more of it day by day, and you have to be blind to think America can't improve its reputation if it cuts off aid to Israel. You heard what the CIA officer said, it's simple logic, Arabs outnumber Israel 1000-1, Israel can't make them bow to their every demand. Even if the Arabs and Muslims there to you are "savages", then Israel acting like a vampire will only escalate the situation. I dislike religious fanatics from any religion, but Israelis are using the Torah to commit war crimes with American taxpayer support, you don't seem to care about America's reputation at all.

As I said, I'll let Israel do what it wants in that region as long as AMERICAN taxpayer dollars and political support don't go to that corrupt and immoral govt. For you to support apartheid is hilarious, you sound like a White cracka from 1800s Rhodesia, Belgium Congo or South Africa.

israel does not have the west bank or gaza they are not part of israel they exist in kind of a gray zone due the the violent acts of their inhabits. If the inhabitants of gaze stop trying to fight israel then i would be on their side until then fuck them.

I don't care too improve the american reputation amongst the arabs, because like i keep telling you at this point it cannot be improved by kissing their ass. Until they stop the fuckery we should not care what they think. The apartheid practiced in israel is literally a matter of survival for them not the continuation of race based supremacy once again you use horrible examples.

israel should not be bowed to but it has a right to exist and do what it needs to keep existing

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

learn to read i said they are kept out of positions of power there are a few arab muslims in the IDf but they are not in any important positions, so no i am not wrong. Actually read my previous post and put it together with the one before it before you respond. your reading comprehension is horrible you addressed nothing in my post

let me try to explain this to you again. If america had members of isis, boko haram or hamas walking around and gave them citizenship and excess to all the freedoms of everyone else what do you think would happen??? we would be betrayed and american citizens killed. That is what you propose for israel except it would be even worse for them they know this and that is why they keep an apartheid system

all those check points and idf patrols would gone OR THEYE would prove ineffective because the enemy would already be in israel your can't be this fucking dense. Not to mention the state is of israel is based on judaism allowing muslims full citizenship and national voting right risk giving them the power to erase the jewish character of the state.

I did address your post, I said Arabs and Muslims do hold positions of power in Israeli govt, military and the Knesset itself. Obviously, the Palestinians don't have the power to actually end the apartheid but if you're that paranoid the Jews there would be killed off if apartheid ends because Palestinians hate them so much, you're again ignoring history. Jews had close ties to MANY Muslims in the Middle East for a long time, not a great relationship but Jews thrived in many parts of the Middle East before the creation of Israel. Hamas does hate Israel but AGAIN, so does half the world basically. Israel can end a lot of that hatred by stopping the BS it's doing over there and listening to the demands of the Arab world, and Americans can end a lot of the hate against it by not aiding directly the apartheid.

In the end, you're just being paranoid and again ignoring the history of Jewish relations in the Middle East before modern Israel. Research it and see for yourself that relations btw Muslims and Jews were much better before the state of Israel created close to a million refugees in 1948 alone.

If Israel continues the status quo, then Christians and Jews will continue having a horrible life in the region. Take your pick.

the bolded is not true the arabs serve lowly positions of little influence in israel and connection that the jews had while living under islamic rule have been broken you yourself say israel is the second most hated nation in the world you think that hate is just going to evaporate??? don't be so naive it's too late for that. In this century jewish people will not be willing to live under sunni rule and oppression IN ISLAM only when non-muslims are subduded can they be treated with even the lightest respect jews don't want to live as dhimmi any more

the demands of the arab world??? they want israel destroyed. This is some of the history of jews in the middle east
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_Fez_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

for centuries jews and christians live at the mercy of muslim rulers fuck that it's 2014 no more let the fucking arabs those days are over

Ok but thanks for noting that's only SOME of the history btw Jews and Muslims there. Think about it, Jews are a minority and and managed to build a long history there and survive, being outnumbered 1000-1. For them to survive like that in the region and be in large numbers before Israel was created means something.

As far as you believing Jews must keep their apartheid (which sounds as ridiculous as anything I've ever heard before), it's not helping America's reputation to help and support them doing this. If Israel wants to keep its system, fine but I don't want American taxpayer dollars directly supporting this nonsense. You support an evil policy because of irrational fears of Israel using nuclear weapons, but you foolishly state that you are NOT willing to take out Israeli leadership if your fears are so justified.

IF ISRAEL is so trigger happy to want to use nuclear weapons if it starts losing wars, then you should be the first one advocating that Israel is a threat to world peace, and support policies that change that situation. But you support apartheid, you having no shame, so I don't expect you to take the right approach to this situation at all.

survival under oppression is not something jews are willing to accept living at the whim of muslims is not something jews are willing to accept. it's not the year 1222 anymore even if muslims still think it is. I don't think america should give a fuck how the arab worlds sees us until they stop acting like savages you keep harping on america being hated and to me that's a non-factor, because at this point they are going to hate no matter what. I support apartheid in israel because without it the state cannot survive.

israel does not even need to use nuclear bombs to destroy their the arabs the regular army should do just fine but even if they did it would be in self defense israel is literally surrounded by the enemy what the fuck do you expect them to do??? if they are invaded. I don't want that to happen. i would prefer the arabs learn to be civilized , it's not on israel to change it's up to the arabs, the power to bring about peace in the middle east is in the hands of the arabs if israel did not want peace they would have took gaza and the west bank by now.

Israel already has Gaza and the West Bank though lol, they control their air space and water and their borders. And they are slowly taking more and more of it day by day, and you have to be blind to think America can't improve its reputation if it cuts off aid to Israel. You heard what the CIA officer said, it's simple logic, Arabs outnumber Israel 1000-1, Israel can't make them bow to their every demand. Even if the Arabs and Muslims there to you are "savages", then Israel acting like a vampire will only escalate the situation. I dislike religious fanatics from any religion, but Israelis are using the Torah to commit war crimes with American taxpayer support, you don't seem to care about America's reputation at all.

As I said, I'll let Israel do what it wants in that region as long as AMERICAN taxpayer dollars and political support don't go to that corrupt and immoral govt. For you to support apartheid is hilarious, you sound like a White cracka from 1800s Rhodesia, Belgium Congo or South Africa.

israel does not have the west bank or gaza they are not part of israel they exist in kind of a gray zone due the the violent acts of their inhabits. If the inhabitants of gaze stop trying to fight israel then i would be on their side until then fuck them.

I don't care too improve the american reputation amongst the arabs, because like i keep telling you at this point it cannot be improved by kissing their ass. Until they stop the fuckery we should not care what they think. The apartheid practiced in israel is literally a matter of survival for them not the continuation of race based supremacy once again you use horrible examples.

israel should not be bowed to but it has a right to exist and do what it needs to keep existing

Do you support America giving financial support to this apartheid?? You think supporting apartheid makes America look good in Iraq, as they fight ISIS.....? Or will you admit that in the region, America looks not much better then ISIS because of this....?

 

[janklow]

Osama and Al-Qaeda went too far of course but their grievances shouldn't be ignored, especially when so many around the world share their ideology and opinions.

honestly? i think UBL/al-Qaeda's behavior means their grievances CAN be ignored. they're not making sincere, legitimate arguments. the king of Jordan is US-friendly head of state and thus if HE says something, the US should take it into consideration.

And yes I know about some of those times when Christians were killing each other and killing off Jews for their treasures, didn't know some of those other things though, interesting stuff I gotta read up on that tonight.

the Crusades: turns out they weren't well-run

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

i support america doing what ever it thinks is in our interest if that means supporting israel then yes

i support israel doing what it has to do to survive if that means apartheid then so be it. I don't think the people in iraq give a fuck about israel right now or apartheid in israel, depending on their ethnic background some iraqis will support us and some will not those that don't i could care less what their opinion is.

at this point how america looks in iraq is unimportant because we cannot fix what has already happened. we can only look after our long term interest in the region. the people that support isis in iraq are not going to like us

 

[kingblaze84]

Osama and Al-Qaeda went too far of course but their grievances shouldn't be ignored, especially when so many around the world share their ideology and opinions.

honestly? i think UBL/al-Qaeda's behavior means their grievances CAN be ignored. they're not making sincere, legitimate arguments. the king of Jordan is US-friendly head of state and thus if HE says something, the US should take it into consideration.

And yes I know about some of those times when Christians were killing each other and killing off Jews for their treasures, didn't know some of those other things though, interesting stuff I gotta read up on that tonight.

the Crusades: turns out they weren't well-run

The grievances of Al-Qaeda don't have to be catered to obviously but it doesn't mean America has to ignore them either, ignoring the grievances means ignoring how millions around the world feel. But if one will take the words of the king of Jordan over a random Al-Qaeda member, then of course that's understandable

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

i support america doing what ever it thinks is in our interest if that means supporting israel then yes

i support israel doing what it has to do to survive if that means apartheid then so be it. I don't think the people in iraq give a fuck about israel right now or apartheid in israel, depending on their ethnic background some iraqis will support us and some will not those that don't i could care less what their opinion is.

at this point how america looks in iraq is unimportant because we cannot fix what has already happened. we can only look after our long term interest in the region. the people that support isis in iraq are not going to like us

That way of thinking has caused America endless headaches in the region, and don't think for a second the Arab/Muslim world doesn't care about the Palestinian situation, the 3rd holiest site in Islam is around Palestinian territory that has lots of tension lately. How America looks in Iraq does matter, if the KKK tried to set up a neighborhood watch in a Black neighborhood, even a high crime area, how the fuck do you think the KKK would be treated? Reputation matters, all day everyday. Don't be naive.

 

[Focal Point]

This has just become a back and forth not a discussion. It's reached a point where y'all are writing and neither side is really being reached or convince at least in my opinion

 

[kingblaze84]

This has just become a back and forth not a discussion. It's reached a point where y'all are writing and neither side is really being reached or convince at least in my opinion

I can live with that in all honesty. The world mostly agrees with me and that's more then enough comfort for me. Janklow at least has reason behind his points, although most of the world obviously blames America mostly for the mess taking place there now. I did concede to some of his points though, so ideas are being exchanged. Zombie is just being Zombie, a so called Jamaican Black man who thinks like a 1400s Spaniard conquistador. His logic is almost gone at this point but he shockingly admitted Israel's settlement building isn't helping the situation. So that's progress on its own.

Maybe I should end the discussion though, depends on how the news in Iraq is going. I knew some people would stick to how they feel and that's okay, I mostly made this thread to show people that America going back into Iraq is mostly a waste of time