Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[kingblaze84]

Meanwhile, Afghanistan's bankrupt govt can't even defend its own military hospital in its own capital. ISIS gunmen entered Kabul's main military hospital a few days ago and killed at least 49 people inside, wounding about 30 or 40. Many of them were Afghan soldiers being treated for injuries suffered by the Taliban. Not sure what the purpose is in throwing money at the bankrupt govts of Iraq and Afghanistan, as Trump considers cuts to housing and rental assistance programs.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...attack-trump-send-us-troops/story?id=45990020

 

[Kwan Dai]

Meanwhile, Afghanistan's bankrupt govt can't even defend its own military hospital in its own capital. ISIS gunmen entered Kabul's main military hospital a few days ago and killed at least 49 people inside, wounding about 30 or 40. Many of them were Afghan soldiers being treated for injuries suffered by the Taliban. Not sure what the purpose is in throwing money at the bankrupt govts of Iraq and Afghanistan, as Trump considers cuts to housing and rental assistance programs.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...attack-trump-send-us-troops/story?id=45990020

Well, considering we kinda are the reason for them going bankrupt so.....

 

[kingblaze84]

Meanwhile, Afghanistan's bankrupt govt can't even defend its own military hospital in its own capital. ISIS gunmen entered Kabul's main military hospital a few days ago and killed at least 49 people inside, wounding about 30 or 40. Many of them were Afghan soldiers being treated for injuries suffered by the Taliban. Not sure what the purpose is in throwing money at the bankrupt govts of Iraq and Afghanistan, as Trump considers cuts to housing and rental assistance programs.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...attack-trump-send-us-troops/story?id=45990020

Well, considering we kinda are the reason for them going bankrupt so.....

I agree America helped bankrupt Iraq and Afghanistan, but at what point does this endless spending end? America has an out of control debt problem and states are already cutting back. Trump is going to be making major cuts in his budget soon too, so endless spending in failed wars is not the answer. Afghanistan is screwed, there are plenty of other nations out there who can help Iraq and Afghanistan.

America is not good at solving problems in that region anyway, it usually ends up creating more of them.

 

[kingblaze84]

Assad seems to agree with me, just came upon a recent interview he had with Chinese media today.....he called American troops hypocrites and unwanted invaders in his nation and said with American history showing massive failure in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Somalia, among other places, he is not optimistic in Trump's plans for ISIS and Syria. Interview is from Chinese media, yet in full English.


While I have zero faith in Trump's plans for ISIS in Syria, I do have faith that Americans will make things worse in the region, as Americans are known to do. I expect the worldwide refugee crises to only get worse, and hard core right wing governments in Europe will grow as a result.

 

[janklow]

I understand that but for the love of god, the Saudis threw money and their resources to not only fund 9/11, but to help create ISIS and fund Al-Qaeda for as long as people can remember.

the Saudi GOVERNMENT or individual Saudis? because this makes a difference for a couple of reasons

 

[janklow]

Let Iran, Syria's govt and the Russians handle the jihadis in the Middle East, and America can stop supporting Israel's terrorism in the region, and America should stop its own support of terrorism in the Middle East itself.

this is not a real solution and, if nothing else, flagrantly violates your position about countries not meddling in other countries*

*yes, i know you only apply this to the US

 

[janklow]

he called American troops hypocrites-

says the guy who LITERALLY massacres tens of thousands of Syrian nationals and started his own civil war

...oh, and if we're going back to the past, should we run down a history of Notable Syrian Military Successes?

fuck cosigning Assad. it doesn't make for good points, it just outs you as cosigning a dictator who murders and tortures his own civilians simply because he's not the US.

 

[kingblaze84]

I understand that but for the love of god, the Saudis threw money and their resources to not only fund 9/11, but to help create ISIS and fund Al-Qaeda for as long as people can remember.

the Saudi GOVERNMENT or individual Saudis? because this makes a difference for a couple of reasons

Hillary mentioned Saudi govt officials and their aid to ISIS and Al-Qaeda according to the WikiLeaks documents. There are several intelligence agencies from America and elsewhere who have said the same thing. I'm sure that's on top of some regular Saudis who are out there.

 

[kingblaze84]

Let Iran, Syria's govt and the Russians handle the jihadis in the Middle East, and America can stop supporting Israel's terrorism in the region, and America should stop its own support of terrorism in the Middle East itself.

this is not a real solution and, if nothing else, flagrantly violates your position about countries not meddling in other countries*

*yes, i know you only apply this to the US

America has an absolute record of failure in these wars, under Trump, we see NO PLAN for solving "the war on terror". ISIS has been more resilient then expected in Mosul and many people still live there. Even if ISIS is driven out, history shows they or another jihadi group will make a comeback there because Baghdad is bankrupt and can't hold land.

I'd rather other nations take the lead in this mess. Assad has made clear America is not wanted in Syria again, yet America continues its illegal actions, that usually don't result in peace in the region. How's Iraq and Afghanistan doing?? Disaster zone after disaster zone, Yemen, Libya, etc. I am NOT impressed with America's record in the region.

 

[kingblaze84]

he called American troops hypocrites-

says the guy who LITERALLY massacres tens of thousands of Syrian nationals and started his own civil war

...oh, and if we're going back to the past, should we run down a history of Notable Syrian Military Successes?

fuck cosigning Assad. it doesn't make for good points, it just outs you as cosigning a dictator who murders and tortures his own civilians simply because he's not the US.

I don't co-sign him exactly, but it doesn't make it okay for America to send all these troops there when the troops are not invited from the elected president. America has a long ass record of torture in the region itself, so Americans calling Assad a torturer rings hollow as hell.

 

[janklow]

Hillary mentioned Saudi govt officials and their aid to ISIS and Al-Qaeda according to the WikiLeaks documents. There are several intelligence agencies from America and elsewhere who have said the same thing. I'm sure that's on top of some regular Saudis who are out there.

ehhh Hillary

 

[janklow]

ISIS has been more resilient then expected in Mosul and many people still live there.

...what is the actual support for "more resilient than expected"

I'd rather other nations take the lead in this mess.

you say this, but it still comes back to either a) you being an immense hypocrite on "don't meddle in other nations" or b) a scenario that doesn't seem to be better than the US being involved. like, we can say "let Russia do it instead of the US," but if it's just "that doesn't cost the US as much," then let's just say THAT is the reason. because it's at least logical.

 

[janklow]

I don't co-sign him exactly-

going to quote you here:

"Let Iran, Syria's govt and the Russians handle the jihadis in the Middle East"

yeah, that's called cosigning him. and his method for handling the jihadis seems to be "kill civilians and, uh, hope it all works out."

-but it doesn't make it okay for America to send all these troops there when the troops are not invited from the elected president.

except that if Americans ARE invited in, you start arguing that doesn't count either.

America has a long ass record of torture in the region itself, so Americans calling Assad a torturer rings hollow as hell.

have you seriously already forgotten discussions of Assad torturing people in this thread? let me go back one page:

"Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government secretly executed between 5,000 and 13,000 people in just one prison as part of its campaign to eliminate opposition to his rule, a new report by the watchdog group Amnesty International has found."

in one prison. what's that America record that makes calling that a torturer "ring hollow?"

and further... why do you INSIST on playing this game that no one can be called out for misdeeds if the US has ever done anything ever? because you're very critical for someone who's cosigning a dictator who supports the mass execution of his own citizens.

 

[kingblaze84]

ISIS has been more resilient then expected in Mosul and many people still live there.

...what is the actual support for "more resilient than expected"

I'd rather other nations take the lead in this mess.

you say this, but it still comes back to either a) you being an immense hypocrite on "don't meddle in other nations" or b) a scenario that doesn't seem to be better than the US being involved. like, we can say "let Russia do it instead of the US," but if it's just "that doesn't cost the US as much," then let's just say THAT is the reason. because it's at least logical.

Mosul is still mostly owned by ISIS, how long has this battle been? I remember some Obama officials last year telling journalists that Mosul would be taken by the beginning of 2017 or late 2016 lol, it's going to be spring soon. And from what I've read and seen, Iraqi officials are dismayed at the amount of snipers in Mosul. I agree Mosul will be taken eventually, but I also believe Mosul will be taken by another jihadi group or ISIS in the future, again. Baghdad can't hold land and at this point cannot control the entire area of Iraq.

And I've already made clear financial reasons are among my biggest reasons for me wanting America to back out of this giant, quicksand war. On top of that, I believe Americans act like bumbling fucking retards in the Middle East.

 

[kingblaze84]

I don't co-sign him exactly-

going to quote you here:

"Let Iran, Syria's govt and the Russians handle the jihadis in the Middle East"

yeah, that's called cosigning him. and his method for handling the jihadis seems to be "kill civilians and, uh, hope it all works out."

-but it doesn't make it okay for America to send all these troops there when the troops are not invited from the elected president.

except that if Americans ARE invited in, you start arguing that doesn't count either.

America has a long ass record of torture in the region itself, so Americans calling Assad a torturer rings hollow as hell.

have you seriously already forgotten discussions of Assad torturing people in this thread? let me go back one page:

"Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government secretly executed between 5,000 and 13,000 people in just one prison as part of its campaign to eliminate opposition to his rule, a new report by the watchdog group Amnesty International has found."

in one prison. what's that America record that makes calling that a torturer "ring hollow?"

and further... why do you INSIST on playing this game that no one can be called out for misdeeds if the US has ever done anything ever? because you're very critical for someone who's cosigning a dictator who supports the mass execution of his own citizens.

America helped create this situation to begin with, Americans helped fund the terror groups in Syria LOL, everyone or many know by now America helped ISIS become large to begin with. From the war in Iraq creating over one million Osama Bin Ladens to America helping fund much of the terror groups with money and weapons in Syria, America's words definitely ring hollow. Trump to his credit doesn't have much appetite to take down Assad, is that what you want him to do? Think of the consequences if Assad gets taken down.

Christians and other religious minorities would be butchered and we already know how radical Sunnis treat women. Is that what you want? The appetite to take down Assad is low in America for a reason. Think of the heat Obama took when he threatened Assad, Americans got pissed. America's adventures in the Middle East are beyond stupid and retarded at this point, let someone else deal with the region which America has helped to ruin.

 

[janklow]

Mosul is still mostly owned by ISIS, how long has this battle been? I remember some Obama officials last year telling journalists that Mosul would be taken by the beginning of 2017 or late 2016 lol, it's going to be spring soon.

"more resilient than expected" does not mean that resilience was not expected. i don't recall ANYONE talking about taking Mosul who was claiming it would be quick or easy. i honestly don't even recall any Obama admin persons saying such a thing (could have happened, sure).

And I've already made clear financial reasons are among my biggest reasons for me wanting America to back out of this giant, quicksand war.

my point is, then just say THAT instead of all this wacko moralizing that you don't actually mean

 

[janklow]

America helped create this situation to begin with, Americans helped fund the terror groups in Syria LOL, everyone or many know by now America helped ISIS become large to begin with.

...and so did Syria. and some of the guys you're saying to let handle the Middle East. so what does this complaint really mean?

From the war in Iraq creating over one million Osama Bin Ladens-

over one million rich kids who pay for other people to get their hands dirty?

 

[kingblaze84]

CNN has said tonight that Iraqi and Syrian officials are accusing American airplanes of killing near 300 civilians this month alone. There are reports this week that American planes have destroyed mosques, schools, and buses with many civilians inside them in several places throughout Syria and Iraq. I'm sure ISIS and Al-Qaeda will have a field day with this. Yes, Assad has killed many civilians too but America has done this kind of carnage for way longer and in much bloodier fashion then Assad and Russia overall these past few years. Not good for America's already horrible reputation in the region, other reports show worse but I'll be nice and not post them here
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/us-airstrikes-iraq-syria-civilian-deaths/index.html

 

[kingblaze84]

Mosul is still mostly owned by ISIS, how long has this battle been? I remember some Obama officials last year telling journalists that Mosul would be taken by the beginning of 2017 or late 2016 lol, it's going to be spring soon.

"more resilient than expected" does not mean that resilience was not expected. i don't recall ANYONE talking about taking Mosul who was claiming it would be quick or easy. i honestly don't even recall any Obama admin persons saying such a thing (could have happened, sure).

And I've already made clear financial reasons are among my biggest reasons for me wanting America to back out of this giant, quicksand war.

my point is, then just say THAT instead of all this wacko moralizing that you don't actually mean

Obama officials, some of them at least, definitely said Mosul would be taken by US and Iraqi forces by roughly late 2016 or early 2017, they said this early last year from what I remember. I personally predict Baghdad will capture Mosul by around early summer, what happens after that, ha nothing that good. But yeah no one said it would be easy, that is true.

 

[kingblaze84]

America helped create this situation to begin with, Americans helped fund the terror groups in Syria LOL, everyone or many know by now America helped ISIS become large to begin with.

...and so did Syria. and some of the guys you're saying to let handle the Middle East. so what does this complaint really mean?

From the war in Iraq creating over one million Osama Bin Ladens-

over one million rich kids who pay for other people to get their hands dirty?

I'm just tired of America playing Cowboys and Indians in the Middle East and always ending up losing. I'd rather see other nations handle the jihadi problem, because America at this point is pouring WAYY TOO MUCH gasoline on the fire. America is playing a dangerous game and financially, it's only going to make America a weaker country.

Better for others to handle the situation, America can't fight terrorism as it continues to aid apartheid in Palestinian territories and pissing off jihadis even more worldwide. Among its other terroristic actions.

And you think those over one million Osama Bin Ladens are a joke? Come on man, this is a dangerous game, ask London. America is only creating more Bin Ladens with its actions, this is costing America a ton of money as Meals on Wheels might be cut for crying out loud.