Illuminati Organizational Structure

[independentsoundlab]

What you are saying doesnt hold up under the microscope though. Take this for example. Propaganda due, was carrying out illegal activities as a "secret" masonic lodge. If they were part of this plot to control the world, then they would most likely be protected from being caught, and exiled. Once they were discovered the Italian government went after them with everything they could and even published NAMES of the people involved in their dealings. The Grand Orient of Italy also revoked their charter upon hearing these allegations as well. They continued to operate on their own after their charter was revoked. So ask, now, why would they be exiled and exposed, if they were part of the "system" to control the world?

Along the lines of Italian masonic connections. A little known fact is that Mussolini, disbarred masonry at one point during his rule. Surely, a dictator and power hungry asshole like him would be part of the conspiracy right?

Hitler banned masonry in Germany as well..

his fear was that masonry and Jews were a threat to him..

 

[musicology1985]

What you are saying doesnt hold up under the microscope though. Take this for example. Propaganda due, was carrying out illegal activities as a "secret" masonic lodge.
If they were part of this plot to control the world, then they would most likely be protected from being caught, and exiled. Once they were discovered the Italian government went after them with everything they could and even published NAMES of the people involved in their dealings. The Grand Orient of Italy also revoked their charter upon hearing these allegations as well. They continued to operate on their own after their charter was revoked. So ask, now, why would they be exiled and exposed, if they were part of the "system" to control the world?

Along the lines of Italian masonic connections. A little known fact is that Mussolini, disbarred masonry at one point during his rule. Surely, a dictator and power hungry asshole like him would be part of the conspiracy right?

what u mean secret? they were recognized from 1945-1976 & have been operating constantly before that & til this day. they were doing what they DO under officialdom. one of their members (Berlusconi) runs the Media & Politics of Italy regardless of the take down of certain members. the name of the group is PROPAGANDA. they had direct contacts to the Vatican bank which supersedes any government anyway. Mussolini, just like Hitler, was on great terms with the Pope.

 

[musicology1985]

and that's what I meant earlier about having a lawful Freemasonry group & an unlawful group. while some operate in both. it just depends on the situation.

 

[major pain]

what u mean secret? they were recognized from 1945-1976 & have been operating constantly before that & til this day. they were doing what they DO under officialdom. one of their members (Berlusconi) runs the Media & Politics of Italy regardless of the take down of certain members. the name of the group is PROPAGANDA. they had direct contacts to the Vatican bank which supersedes any government anyway. Mussolini, just like Hitler, was on great terms with the Pope.

Secret as in "undercover" activities. Their activities were NOT sanctioned and once these were found out about, their Grand Lodge revoked their charter. So, it was not "official" as you keep putting it. At that point they are disassociated with masonry. They can continue to "act" if they want but they are now no longer recognized as such, so its not "official".

It doesnt make sense that power hungry people, like Hitler and Mussolini, would NOT be in on this global conspiracy to control everything, so why didnt the Axis win the war?

Looking at DETAILS and not generalizations, what you are saying does not make sense.

 

[musicology1985]

Secret as in "undercover" activities. Their activities were NOT sanctioned and once these were found out about, their Grand Lodge revoked their charter. So, it was not "official" as you keep putting it. At that point they are disassociated with masonry. They can continue to "act" if they want but they are now no longer recognized as such, so its not "official".

they were only kicked out of the official part to save face. many things within global order are done undercover. same goes for Freemasonry.

It doesnt make sense that power hungry people, like Hitler and Mussolini, would NOT be in on this global conspiracy to control everything, so why didnt the Axis win the war?

huh? Hitler & Mussolini was in on it through the Vatican. them targeting Freemasons is a smokescreen. the Pope signed the Reichskonkordat & later transferred all Nazi's of interests to more important programs during operation paperclip. and the Vatican has no problem sacrificing someone who no longer holds purpose (such as Mussolini)

Looking at DETAILS and not generalizations, what you are saying does not make sense.

of course it wouldn't make sense to u. you are a Freemason who has interests & connections in this thing. the generalization that u speak of is what u represent

 

[musicology1985]

oh and one more thing Major Pain. P2 Masonry still runs Italy. whether they are recognized by u are not means nothing. u are still historically tied to that branch of Freemasonry. u are also tied to the Scottish & English Factions of Royalty Freemasons as well. of course your not doing what they're doing (at their level at least) but they are still your brothers while the Italians are unofficially your brothers.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Masonry still runs Italy

garbage flows freely in the streets of italy every year

nobody runs italy

italians dont care

 

[musicology1985]

garbage flows freely in the streets of italy every year

nobody runs italy

italians dont care

I know u just jokin' around (but u funny ass hell & this is edutainment, so u got a rightful place like anyone else) but peep.

Pain claims the Grand Orient of Italy is so upstanding and all but they are tied to the epicenter of global elite just like the most formidable Scottish & English Lodges. THE GRAND ORIENT OF ITALY IS LOCATED IN PALAZZO GIUSTINIANI-a buidling controlled by the House of the same name. this family was mentioned on the first page with roots that goes back to Byzantines Emperor Justinian the Great. with current strong holds in Greece's islands of Krete & Chios along with the Italian Cities of Venice & Genoa. of course the Lodge is centered in Rome.

the Giustiniani family was just cleaning up the mess. that's all.

 

[major pain]

of course it wouldn't make sense to u. you are a Freemason who has interests & connections in this thing. the generalization that u speak of is what u represent

So, in your wise estimation, the "official" part kicked out a group it secretly allowed to function in order to save face for who, exactly? You really think this is logical?

Mussolini, as an employee of this global conspiracy, wanted to disbar masonry, in Italy, while secretly working with them? You really think this is logical?

The VATICAN, whose bad history with masonry is WELL documented in history, is somehow connected to masonry in order to eventually control the world? you really think this is logical?

No, its not LOGICAL to me because I know the inner-workings of Grand Lodges while you do not. For the record, I never said the Grand Orient of Italy is upstanding, you have a knack for adding on to my words.

 

[musicology1985]

So, in your wise estimation, the "official" part kicked out a group it secretly allowed to function in order to save face for who, exactly? You really think this is logical?

it's definitely what happened.

Mussolini, as an employee of this global conspiracy, wanted to disbar masonry, in Italy, while secretly working with them? You really think this is logical?

he never worked with Freemason's directly, he was plugged into the Vatican (another part of global order.)

The VATICAN, whose bad history with masonry is WELL documented in history, is somehow connected to masonry in order to eventually control the world? you really think this is logical?

it's true. and what do u mean eventually control the world? that's that "NWO is comin'" B.S. it ain't coming, it's already here and has been here since 1492 A.D.

No, its not LOGICAL to me because I know the inner-workings of Grand Lodges while you do not. For the record, I never said the Grand Orient of Italy is upstanding, you have a knack for adding on to my words.

Grand Lodges are directly tied into global order due to the House of Windsor, Scottish Peerage, Order of the Thistle & Garter as well as P2 Masonry & Grand Orient of Italy (which u implied was upstanding by using their charter withdrawal of P2 as credence for your argument.)

so gone head & come with your rebuttal sir.

 

[major pain]

so gone head & come with your rebuttal sir.

LMAO... ok dude..

1. Prove with solid facts, evidence, documents, SOMETHING that is what happened.
2. Where is the logic in disbarring an organization that you have ties to?
3. Where is the logic in the church excommunicating all catholic freemasons, but still working with them?
4. Saying they revoked their charter is not implying anything. It is saying they revoked their charter. Try not to add onto what I am saying. If I need an implication made, I'll make it myself.

You're doing the equivalent of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

 

[jay83]

this is disinfo.

Do you really believe Alex Jones snuck into the grove?

Describe your disinfo people.

 

[musicology1985]

LMAO... ok dude..

1. Prove with solid facts, evidence, documents, SOMETHING that is what happened.
2. Where is the logic in disbarring an organization that you have ties to?
3. Where is the logic in the church excommunicating all catholic freemasons, but still working with them?
4. Saying they revoked their charter is not implying anything. It is saying they revoked their charter. Try not to add onto what I am saying. If I need an implication made, I'll make it myself.

You're doing the equivalent of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

the historical evidence & facts has already been presented to u. I already told and u know this to be true that the part of Freemasonry in global control ARE THE GOVERNMENT & NOBILITY (Italy) & Royal House & Peerage (Britain). documents come from government investigation. why would these Freemasons investigate themselves? huh?

all of my information sticks because they are facts of history. I told u before that this is a historical analysis. and u keep saying I'm trying to get this and that to stick. but I have remained consistent with what I wrote on the first page. I have not wavered at all

 

[musicology1985]

Do you really believe Alex Jones snuck into the grove?

Describe your disinfo people.

describe my disinfo people? I don't have disinfo people. could u be more clear of with what u are asking?

 

[musicology1985]

and major pain u did try to use the revoking of the charter to bulk up your argument. don't front sir Pain......

 

[jay83]

describe my disinfo people? I don't have disinfo people. could u be more clear of with what u are asking?

Who are the disinfo agents?

 

[major pain]

the historical evidence & facts has already been presented to u. I already told and u know this to be true that the part of Freemasonry in global control ARE THE GOVERNMENT & NOBILITY (Italy) & Royal House & Peerage (Britain). documents come from government investigation. why would these Freemasons investigate themselves? huh?

all of my information sticks because they are facts of history. I told u before that this is a historical analysis. and u keep saying I'm trying to get this and that to stick. but I have remained consistent with what I wrote on the first page. I have not wavered at all

OMG.... 1. Was PROVE that the reason the Grand Orient of Italy revoked their charter to save face...

History also says the Vatican and Freemasonry are NOT friends, but you are somehow still suggesting they are working together.

You have obviously never had a real debate or discussion. You dont know how to read the words on the screen and leave other things out of it. Me using the fact that they revoked the charter has nothing to do with what I think of the Grand Orient of Italy, it has everything to do with the fact that a Grand body did not agree with what they were doing and disassociated themselves from it, most likely to avoid being charged with sanctioning it. I've never said what I think of that body and for you to imply anything of it, you are overstepping fact with opinion.

 

[musicology1985]

OMG.... 1. Was PROVE that the reason the Grand Orient of Italy revoked their charter to save face...

History also says the Vatican and Freemasonry are NOT friends, but you are somehow still suggesting they are working together.

You have obviously never had a real debate or discussion. You dont know how to read the words on the screen and leave other things out of it. Me using the fact that they revoked the charter has nothing to do with what I think of the Grand Orient of Italy, it has everything to do with the fact that a Grand body did not agree with what they were doing and disassociated themselves from it, most likely to avoid being charged with sanctioning it. I've never said what I think of that body and for you to imply anything of it, you are overstepping fact with opinion.

son u bodied your own argument with the bolded. I already said most Freemasons don't get down like that. but some do.

I can see u now, "I am the Major! no one is more practical & Logical than I!"

look man you are not the barometer of who is a good debater or not. u follow the Greek Frat & Freemasonic cultural traditions. u see the world through that lens which is cool. but that does not make u the barometer for truth.

I'mma add to this a lil bit. think about it this way. P2 Masonry was a public relations nightmare. they sent P2 back underground to save their reputation.

 

[Bully_Pulpit]

Nigga fuck the bohemian grove shit, fact of the matter is that there is a global agenda going on and I dont know if there called masons, illumaniti, globalists or elites but its some shit going on cant we wake up and agree on that???

 

[musicology1985]

Who are the disinfo agents?

alex jones

david icke

micheal tsarion

jordan maxwell