If the Black Community achieved what Malcolm X set out for (Black Nationalism).....

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Great thread. I try to talk to my younger family members on topic like this. Either they don't care about what happen in the past or its too much information for them to take in at the time. But we can not give up on the youth, they will understand in do time.
 
I dont blame them back then for having such viewpoints. They were reacting to what was and had happened. But you reach the point where you realize basing things on "race" is an illusion and losing proposition. Some "black" people have more in common with some Asians than other blacks. That race sh!t is b.s. created by ignorant people to try to obtain power. I know im not the only one enlightened enough to see this, more and more are all the time. The current world is reflecting it.
 
Yeshouha was black, but whites try to say his movement was peaceful and than he was killed. If he came and did his movement today he would have been killed by the same very own people who they claim that worship him today.
 
You know Malcolm X was a threat considering that they couldnt make black forget about him when he was assassinated so they did the next best thing. White wash and demonize him. Was talking to a brother about this subject the other day and he's dead serious on the belief Malcolm X was a terrorist since the school properly taught him so. He was so disgusted by Malcolm X you would think he killed his family and murdered the family dog.

Then you got uncle toms like Clarence Thomas who parlay Malcolm X into being his example of a black conservative..
 
Malcolm X has so many sides to him and beliefs are this Black unity, support of each other, love one another, building one another up, supporting what's right even when no one is supporting you, etc. Malcolm X was a champion for black people and Islam all over the world. If you think he is a terrorist than what do you think of a government that left your ancestors to die and they are still living today?
 
Even when Malcolm X was with NOI and saying white man devil this and that, there was plenty of knowledge in those speeches that no matter how you view him, you must agree with. His counter agreement and rebuttals was GOAT. The faces of those who try to trap him in his own words and how he turned it back on them was priceless
 
Dude was intelligent and articulate. He was angry for good reason. Its just building a nation just on the basis of "black people" aint no basis for having a nation. Just cause peoples skin tone is darker means nothing when it comes to a society. Its taking America time to realize this but people are definitely figuring it out. Those are the times he lived in but that doesnt make them right. He was reacting but much has changed since then.
 
Wild Self;4406202 said:
Everything boils down to nationality. Blacks in America are unlike any other demographic. We don't know how many tribes and languages we were from in Africa (no folks, Africa is not one language or country) that slaves came from. Jamaicans have their own shit, Nigerians have their own shit, Brazilians have their own shit. They send their kids to colleges and achieve a lot. Its American blacks that are the most fucked up ones mentally speaking. Malcolm post pilgrimage had the answer to most of the problems, but he got clapped.

Race is gonna be irrelevant in the next 30 years since everyone in America is gonna be mixed race. It boils down to nationality, not race or sub-group. Even the Jews are gonna take a back seat to the Asians soon.

Idk if I completely agree with this. Both Jamacians and Afro Brazilians came to those countries the same way we did, on a slave ship. So why do both these groups have a sense of unity that we don't?
 
taeboo;5393124 said:
Wild Self;4406202 said:
Everything boils down to nationality. Blacks in America are unlike any other demographic. We don't know how many tribes and languages we were from in Africa (no folks, Africa is not one language or country) that slaves came from. Jamaicans have their own shit, Nigerians have their own shit, Brazilians have their own shit. They send their kids to colleges and achieve a lot. Its American blacks that are the most fucked up ones mentally speaking. Malcolm post pilgrimage had the answer to most of the problems, but he got clapped.

Race is gonna be irrelevant in the next 30 years since everyone in America is gonna be mixed race. It boils down to nationality, not race or sub-group. Even the Jews are gonna take a back seat to the Asians soon.

Idk if I completely agree with this. Both Jamacians and Afro Brazilians came to those countries the same way we did, on a slave ship. So why do both these groups have a sense of unity that we don't?

because they have the immigrant experience, we have to stick together to survive. plus langage, cultural differences with the mainstream culture, and nostalgia pushes specific ethnic groups together. Plus many black immigrants experiences prejudices from black Americans as well
 
taeboo;5393124 said:
Wild Self;4406202 said:
Everything boils down to nationality. Blacks in America are unlike any other demographic. We don't know how many tribes and languages we were from in Africa (no folks, Africa is not one language or country) that slaves came from. Jamaicans have their own shit, Nigerians have their own shit, Brazilians have their own shit. They send their kids to colleges and achieve a lot. Its American blacks that are the most fucked up ones mentally speaking. Malcolm post pilgrimage had the answer to most of the problems, but he got clapped.

Race is gonna be irrelevant in the next 30 years since everyone in America is gonna be mixed race. It boils down to nationality, not race or sub-group. Even the Jews are gonna take a back seat to the Asians soon.

Idk if I completely agree with this. Both Jamacians and Afro Brazilians came to those countries the same way we did, on a slave ship. So why do both these groups have a sense of unity that we don't?

Talking to my Uncle who lives in Brazil it has to do with that they never really divided except in social classes but would be quick to protect their own people from an foreigner. We don't have that thought process here. The culture is much different and it's all about me me me me me.
 
taeboo;5393124 said:
Wild Self;4406202 said:
Everything boils down to nationality. Blacks in America are unlike any other demographic. We don't know how many tribes and languages we were from in Africa (no folks, Africa is not one language or country) that slaves came from. Jamaicans have their own shit, Nigerians have their own shit, Brazilians have their own shit. They send their kids to colleges and achieve a lot. Its American blacks that are the most fucked up ones mentally speaking. Malcolm post pilgrimage had the answer to most of the problems, but he got clapped.

Race is gonna be irrelevant in the next 30 years since everyone in America is gonna be mixed race. It boils down to nationality, not race or sub-group. Even the Jews are gonna take a back seat to the Asians soon.

Idk if I completely agree with this. Both Jamacians and Afro Brazilians came to those countries the same way we did, on a slave ship. So why do both these groups have a sense of unity that we don't?

because of the willie lynch and stockholm syndrome.

 
To think somebody is your friend or on your side because of their race is extremely naive and a mistake. I think his story proved that. That man was influential and did his thing in his time. Without him puttin himself out there, we wouldnt be where we are now. Just things to learn from. But personally i dont think a "black nation" would have been the answer. But i understand why they thought this back then.
 
Malcolm X created an alliance with White groups right before he died. He changed after he returned from an invited trip to Mecca. This alliance with the whotes weaken the Black community not our unwillingness to follow him.
 
Malcolm and Martin were like good cop/bad cop. I dont think MLK and the Civil Rights movement would have been successful without a more radical alternative waiting to fuck shit up. Black nationalism is cool and all but I just can't picture how it could be sustained. I don't think white America can coexist with a separate self sufficient black America. That's just not the American way. look what happened to the Negro League.
 

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