If Kanye retires right now...is he G.O.A.T. status?

[PPLSIntiative]

No Kanye will never be considered a GOAT by true Hip Hop heads. He produces music in an era in which the whole industry is saturated with below average, nonsensical, untalented and commercialized trash. Kanye is half decent, but he can't hold a candle to the artists a decade before him or even 20 years before him. He is a stunt queen attention seeking narcissist. The people who do the crowning or anointing of star status and musical prowess are just as lacking in credentials.

His production is great but he thinks too highly of himself to ever truly grow to full potential. His lyrics are questionable at best. His delivery is rookie, its been a steady digression since his freshmen album. Overall Kanye will last only because the same people that support him are the same ones that support Wayne and Gucci and all the other trash that's been floating around for the past ten years.

 

[runningwolf1980]

No Kanye will never be considered a GOAT by true Hip Hop heads. He produces music in an era in which the whole industry is saturated with below average, nonsensical, untalented and commercialized trash. Kanye is half decent, but he can't hold a candle to the artists a decade before him or even 20 years before him. He is a stunt queen attention seeking narcissist. The people who do the crowning or anointing of star status and musical prowess are just as lacking in credentials.

His production is great but he thinks too highly of himself to ever truly grow to full potential. His lyrics are questionable at best. His delivery is rookie, its been a steady digression since his freshmen album. Overall Kanye will last only because the same people that support him are the same ones that support Wayne and Gucci and all the other trash that's been floating around for the past ten years.

you made yourself sound dumb as fuck in the first sentence.......gtfoh

 

[SlickestR]

No Kanye will never be considered a GOAT by true Hip Hop heads. He produces music in an era in which the whole industry is saturated with below average, nonsensical, untalented and commercialized trash. Kanye is half decent, but he can't hold a candle to the artists a decade before him or even 20 years before him. He is a stunt queen attention seeking narcissist. The people who do the crowning or anointing of star status and musical prowess are just as lacking in credentials.

His production is great but he thinks too highly of himself to ever truly grow to full potential. His lyrics are questionable at best. His delivery is rookie, its been a steady digression since his freshmen album. Overall Kanye will last only because the same people that support him are the same ones that support Wayne and Gucci and all the other trash that's been floating around for the past ten years.

even though he'll be one of the better artists" to be fucking remembered due to his quality of work and his musical presence in the rap game if even

his mannerism are displayed through narcissism n such. he ain't all that lyricist and i think we all know that.. but his great production and his songs that sometimes reaches

people on their level at time also takes part in him being recognized for being a great..

 

[CJ]

Tomp in .....

 

[tompetrez3]

if he retire today it would be a great day for hip hop to move on from this attention whore gayfish who usered in homosexuality and white washing into hip hop. he got niggas walking around with purses, lipstick and euro-victorian clothing. he aint no motherfuckin goat by anymeans. that wack ass watch the clones album shattered his legacy. MBDTF was garbage as fuck. nothing creative ripped off beats left and right. oh yeah RZA ghost produced half this album Kanye too busy sharing castles with his wife Jay Z and suck white folks dick trying to get massa to forgive him for acting like a negro in frenzy that need to be shot down when he did that lame ass shit to the innocent and precious white queen taylor swift. GTFOH. I lost alot of respect from him when he hid behind Gaga because birdman made that nigga scared hollerin, rubbin his palms and doing them uptown birdcalls celebrating nicki. monizzle down syndrome ass talk all that shit about gaga but her guido goons protecting the fake king of new york and that sucker nigga kanye. she did a security sweep live on tv to make sure everyone was ok because kanye looking scared like a bitch when them YMCMB goons was making noise they thought Roc Nation was gonna get ambushed. He aint made a hot beat in 6 years. He aint spit a hot rhyme since College Dropout. Kanye been washed up since Graduation. Fuck Kanye West. Fuck Good Music. Day Day you cool and all but you know how this Jay Z hate go. Fuck Big Sean. His best bet is to leave good music and do independent work. Kanye is only going to turn him into a fag. Fuck Pusha T he's garbage now. Good look on him leaving his brother and re up gang to turn into a redbook fag model for Kanye. Fuck Cyhi or whatever his name. no fuckin buzz. i dont know shit about him but im pretty sure he's garbage since he fucks with kanye. fuck cudi never liked him and that emo mama that boy from up the street keep chasin me from school rap. faggotry. John Legend is a pussy, coon and sell out. Fake ass Lionel Richie. Nope. if kanye retire it wouldnt mean much. i mean all you motherfuckin jigga warriors didnt give 2 shits when kool herc was about to die but they walking around here worshipping a sissy prissy make up bitch boy like Kanye West. Fuck Kanye

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dipset stay making these niggas look stupid on they own shit. Kanye is a bitch who owe his whole existance to RZA. no RZA no Kanye. Kanye is a Wu Tang nerd nigga stole his whole style from RZA bitch ass nigga didnt even hear what RZA told his bitch ass on Disc 2. fuck that. nigga owe his success to camron and dame. the only niggas who believed in his weak ass when Jay Z told him to sleep on the floor and make more beats. Camron was Kanye first major fan as far as he go as a rapper. Cam and Dame tried to push this nigga on Jay Z when he was hiding in france wearing flip flops and jeans putting on sunscreen trying to get that ether burn under control. Fuck Good Music and Roc Nation. YMCMB killing both of these weak ass camps. hell WTB and MMG could handle good music nothing "good" about a label who bitch ass femine niggas who think they nice because they know a few multi-syllable words. Tyga can rip all them niggas on both them labels line for line.

 

[SlickestR]

if he retire today it would be a great day for hip hop to move on from this attention whore gayfish who usered in homosexuality and white washing into hip hop. he got niggas walking around with purses, lipstick and euro-victorian clothing. he aint no motherfuckin goat by anymeans. that wack ass watch the clones album shattered his legacy. MBDTF was garbage as fuck. nothing creative ripped off beats left and right. oh yeah RZA ghost produced half this album Kanye too busy sharing castles with his wife Jay Z and suck white folks dick trying to get massa to forgive him for acting like a negro in frenzy that need to be shot down when he did that lame ass shit to the innocent and precious white queen taylor swift. GTFOH. I lost alot of respect from him when he hid behind Gaga because birdman made that nigga scared hollerin, rubbin his palms and doing them uptown birdcalls celebrating nicki. monizzle down syndrome ass talk all that shit about gaga but her guido goons protecting the fake king of new york and that sucker nigga kanye. she did a security sweep live on tv to make sure everyone was ok because kanye looking scared like a bitch when them YMCMB goons was making noise they thought Roc Nation was gonna get ambushed. He aint made a hot beat in 6 years. He aint spit a hot rhyme since College Dropout. Kanye been washed up since Graduation. Fuck Kanye West. Fuck Good Music. Day Day you cool and all but you know how this Jay Z hate go. Fuck Big Sean. His best bet is to leave good music and do independent work. Kanye is only going to turn him into a fag. Fuck Pusha T he's garbage now. Good look on him leaving his brother and re up gang to turn into a redbook fag model for Kanye. Fuck Cyhi or whatever his name. no fuckin buzz. i dont know shit about him but im pretty sure he's garbage since he fucks with kanye. fuck cudi never liked him and that emo mama that boy from up the street keep chasin me from school rap. faggotry. John Legend is a pussy, coon and sell out. Fake ass Lionel Richie. Nope. if kanye retire it wouldnt mean much. i mean all you motherfuckin jigga warriors didnt give 2 shits when kool herc was about to die but they walking around here worshipping a sissy prissy make up bitch boy like Kanye West. Fuck Kanye

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dipset stay making these niggas look stupid on they own shit. Kanye is a bitch who owe his whole existance to RZA. no RZA no Kanye. Kanye is a Wu Tang nerd nigga stole his whole style from RZA bitch ass nigga didnt even hear what RZA told his bitch ass on Disc 2. fuck that. nigga owe his success to camron and dame. the only niggas who believed in his weak ass when Jay Z told him to sleep on the floor and make more beats. Camron was Kanye first major fan as far as he go as a rapper. Cam and Dame tried to push this nigga on Jay Z when he was hiding in france wearing flip flops and jeans putting on sunscreen trying to get that ether burn under control. Fuck Good Music and Roc Nation. YMCMB killing both of these weak ass camps. hell WTB and MMG could handle good music nothing "good" about a label who bitch ass femine niggas who think they nice because they know a few multi-syllable words. Tyga can rip all them niggas on both them labels line for line.

this nigga hatin' hard.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

you made yourself sound dumb as fuck in the first sentence.......gtfoh

Apparently one of Kanye's dick riders is catching feelings. Don't worry dude when it's all said and done I'm sure you'll still be his number one boo. I know too many hip hop heads, none of them respect Kanye lyrically. To many, he fell off after Late Registration. I didn't even think he was all that on the album, lyrically. I'm speaking for someone who as a supporter of Kanye back in the day. as soon as he started smelling himself too much it started to stunt him. Watch within the next couple of years he's to produce wack stuff because he'll be looking for shock value more than producing quality music. He'll be a a mash up of Lady Gaga and Rupaul on DJ Hero.

 

[Pun1sher]

Apparently one of Kanye's dick riders is catching feelings. Don't worry dude when it's all said and done I'm sure you'll still be his number one boo. I know too many hip hop heads, none of them respect Kanye lyrically. To many, he fell off after Late Registration. I didn't even think he was all that on the album, lyrically. I'm speaking for someone who as a supporter of Kanye back in the day. as soon as he started smelling himself too much it started to stunt him. Watch within the next couple of years he's to produce wack stuff because he'll be looking for shock value more than producing quality music. He'll be a a mash up of Lady Gaga and Rupaul on DJ Hero.

HAHaha.This post is full of fail.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

HAHaha.This post is full of fail.

Seriously, why are you jocking kanye so hard? Before you even consider that question, who have you listened to to even give him that label? People hand out GOAT titles like government cheese. Kanye is lyrically suspect period, and production wise he's above average that does not equal GOAT. That's the second most abused word next to Classic. So what have you listened to, what artists, what albums? Making proclamations, but I need to see some credentials. I'll list mine:

Mos Def and Talib Kweli Present Blackstar

The Coup- Steal This Double Albm

Common- Ressurection

Little Brother-The Minstrel Show

Cunninglynguist- Dirty Acres

Nas-Illmatic

Nas-Still Matic

Nas-Lost Tapes

Nas-Hip Hop is Dead

Dead Prez- Let's Get Free

Mos Def-Black on Both Sides

Mos Def- New Danger

The Roots-Phrenology

The Roots- Do you want more

The Roots- Game Theory

The Roots-Things fall apart

The Roots iladelph halflife

Public Enemy Fear of a Black Planet

Public Enemy It takes aNation of Millions..

Talib Reflection Eternal

Talib Ear Drum

Common Like water for Chocolate

Common Finding Forever

Common Be

Lupe

Heiroglyphics

Del the Funky Homo Sapien

Th list goes on... My crates are deep, I Dj'd and Bboyed. I got credentials what's yours?

 

[arbitration]

Kanye is a great producer, and he defintiely ushered in a whole new vibe of hip hop music. But as a lyrical technician, Kanye is slightly below average. He is incredibly inconsistent, and honestly, you get the feeling listening to him that he thinks his verses are nicer than they actually are. The best rhymes I've heard Kanye deliver are the ones where he is being truthful and honest, and lately, he's too caught up in his own hype to do that anymore. Maybe when his grows up a little bit, he will take that next step, but until then, he is his own worst enemy as far as ability goes

 

[runningwolf1980]

Apparently one of Kanye's dick riders is catching feelings. Don't worry dude when it's all said and done I'm sure you'll still be his number one boo. I know too many hip hop heads, none of them respect Kanye lyrically. To many, he fell off after Late Registration. I didn't even think he was all that on the album, lyrically. I'm speaking for someone who as a supporter of Kanye back in the day. as soon as he started smelling himself too much it started to stunt him. Watch within the next couple of years he's to produce wack stuff because he'll be looking for shock value more than producing quality music. He'll be a a mash up of Lady Gaga and Rupaul on DJ Hero.

why i gotta be a "dick rider"? you said some dumb shit plain and simple...what you did was try and make your opinion of kanye west a fact from "real hiphop heads"....my point to "dumb it down" for you is that your saying "if you like kanye then your not a TRUE hip-hop head" so again "gtfoh"

 

[booty-gif-dot-com]

No Kanye will never be considered a GOAT by true Hip Hop heads. He produces music in an era in which the whole industry is saturated with below average, nonsensical, untalented and commercialized trash. Kanye is half decent, but he can't hold a candle to the artists a decade before him or even 20 years before him. He is a stunt queen attention seeking narcissist. The people who do the crowning or anointing of star status and musical prowess are just as lacking in credentials.

His production is great but he thinks too highly of himself to ever truly grow to full potential. His lyrics are questionable at best. His delivery is rookie, its been a steady digression since his freshmen album. Overall Kanye will last only because the same people that support him are the same ones that support Wayne and Gucci and all the other trash that's been floating around for the past ten years.

Dude took a hardline on it and theres somethings i agree with him on..

and that agreement is the down turn in creative output in whats considered hip hop in the 21st century and what people been getting away with especially is embarrasing!

Kanye is a student of Chicago House music and European Dub Step, and Trip Hop.. and for nearly a decade hes been the Bridge between Back Packers and Street Slangers!!

Kanye can do a song with Common and Kanye can do a song with Jay Z but Jay Z couldnt do a song with Common.. it wouldnt sound right. its too much of a gap but Ye fills that gap! Kanye is the only hip hop producer out there that could give the public at large songs like FLASHING LIGHTS and ALL OF THE LIGHTS!!

these songs are wayyyy out of the mainstream of whats considered mainstream hip hop but he made them hits and is breathing life in a genre that was at its creative peak around 1997 and has slowly digressed every year since!! 1988-95 was hip hops best creative run. more classics in that time period than any other stretch!!

at least Ye is trying on new things.. like Outkast was but they are MIA right now!

 

[SlickestR]

Dude took a hardline on it and theres somethings i agree with him on..

and that agreement is the down turn in creative output in whats considered hip hop in the 21st century and what people been getting away with especially is embarrasing!

Kanye is a student of Chicago House music and European Dub Step, and Trip Hop.. and for nearly a decade hes been the Bridge between Back Packers and Street Slangers!!

Kanye can do a song with Common and Kanye can do a song with Jay Z but Jay Z couldnt do a song with Common.. it wouldnt sound right. its too much of a gap but Ye fills that gap! Kanye is the only hip hop producer out there that could give the public at large songs like FLASHING LIGHTS and ALL OF THE LIGHTS!!

these songs are wayyyy out of the mainstream of whats considered mainstream hip hop but he made them hits and is breathing life in a genre that was at its creative peak around 1997 and has slowly digressed every year since!! 1988-95 was hip hops best creative run. more classics in that time period than any other stretch!!

at least Ye is trying on new things.. like Outkast was but they are MIA right now!

exactly, Ye is like the most creative motherfucker in MAINSTREAM Rap in THIS era.. because a lot of upcoming/ underground artists are creative as fuck n what not..

and he's really diverse, you can say Wayne too, but there's a different between diverse and jumpin on everybody's records for the money of it.

 

[Esiam]

Not sure, if he get shot though on the other hand, yup!

 

[Pun1sher]

Seriously, why are you jocking kanye so hard? Before you even consider that question, who have you listened to to even give him that label? People hand out GOAT titles like government cheese. Kanye is lyrically suspect period, and production wise he's above average that does not equal GOAT. That's the second most abused word next to Classic. So what have you listened to, what artists, what albums? Making proclamations, but I need to see some credentials. I'll list mine:

Mos Def and Talib Kweli Present Blackstar

The Coup- Steal This Double Albm

Common- Ressurection

Little Brother-The Minstrel Show

Cunninglynguist- Dirty Acres

Nas-Illmatic

Nas-Still Matic

Nas-Lost Tapes

Nas-Hip Hop is Dead

Dead Prez- Let's Get Free

Mos Def-Black on Both Sides

Mos Def- New Danger

The Roots-Phrenology

The Roots- Do you want more

The Roots- Game Theory

The Roots-Things fall apart

The Roots iladelph halflife

Public Enemy Fear of a Black Planet

Public Enemy It takes aNation of Millions..

Talib Reflection Eternal

Talib Ear Drum

Common Like water for Chocolate

Common Finding Forever

Common Be

Lupe

Heiroglyphics

Del the Funky Homo Sapien

Th list goes on... My crates are deep, I Dj'd and Bboyed. I got credentials what's yours?

Kanye may not be a favorite of yours, but he's obviously a WAY better rapper than stic.man, that's for sure.

 

[BossIntellect]

I mean excluding excuses like Rhymefest wrote Jesus Walks or he barely produced My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (None of his albums are strictly produced by him) His catalog is definitely the strongest of those who came out around the time he did. I would say yes with the only flawed album being 808's (and even that album isn't a bad experiment album)

 

[ustreet_monsta]

No.

As much as I like Kanye's music, I can't look past his known use of other writers.

Only way he's going on a GOAT rapper list is if Rhymefest, Consequence, GLC, and whoever else helped write College Dropout are included.

That's his strongest body of work in terms of content and he definitely had help.

 

[Mr.LV]

If he was to retire, hip-hop would be boring ass fuck.

 

[Just2C]

Most of what keeps niggas like LL and Cube from G.O.A.T. conversations is the fact that they didn't quite know when to stop...and much of their latter catalog is tainted with trash. Take LL, for example. If he had stopped after Mr. Smith, he'd be exalted. But the garbage he released afterwards has tarnished the greatness of his legacy. He's done.

I think we all can agree that Kanye has one of the strongest catalogs in hip hop right now and can definitely rival similar catalogs by Hov and Nas, in terms of cohesiveness, and his work as a producer is top tier, to say the least.

Let's say Kanye retires now...are Graduation, 808's, College Drop out, Dark Twisted Fantasy, Watch the Throne, and Late Registration good enough to solidify Kanye as a G.O.A.T.?

What say ye?

Since when is Cube not in a G.O.A.T/ Top 5 convo? Given War & Peace was not his best work but it was a hit and miss project. Other then that Cube's discography is excellent. This is the man whos raps put gangster rap on the map. Sure Schooly D and Ice-T where the first "gangster rappers" but Cubes pen game is the reason NWA blew up and introduced the world to gangster rap.

as far as LL he is a G.O.A.T but he probably shouldve stopped after the Definition album he did with Timbaland.

As far as Kanye goes hes made some really dope rap albums. I still to this day have not listened to 808's though. but like previously mentioned he has had help. Rhymefest (College Dropout) and Consequince (College Dropout, Late Registration and Graduation) wrote alot of Kanye's rhymes so that disqualifies him as a great.

 

[runningwolf1980]

Since when is Cube not in a G.O.A.T/ Top 5 convo? Given War & Peace was not his best work but it was a hit and miss project. Other then that Cube's discography is excellent. This is the man whos raps put gangster rap on the map. Sure Schooly D and Ice-T where the first "gangster rappers" but Cubes pen game is the reason NWA blew up and introduced the world to gangster rap.

as far as LL he is a G.O.A.T but he probably shouldve stopped after the Definition album he did with Timbaland.

As far as Kanye goes hes made some really dope rap albums. I still to this day have not listened to 808's though. but like previously mentioned he has had help. Rhymefest (College Dropout) and Consequince (College Dropout, Late Registration and Graduation) wrote alot of Kanye's rhymes so that disqualifies him as a great.

you missing out breh....you get to listen knowing its not a "rap" album....it took we awhill to figure out its a story from front to back...