IC, what are your true personal thoughts on Muslims/Islam?

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I tell you you're wrong and i prove to you how with your own scriptures out of the mouth of your own "God" but I'm misguided? Produce your proof or remain silent and actually contemplate what i'm saying to you

walaikum

You deny Jesus Christ of His rightful glory. Your on the outside looking in my brother. You must be born again supaman4321. If you really want salvation, cry out to God and tell Him that you are a lost sinner and in desperate need of a Savior.

Until you do that you will remain blind. The truth hurts but I must tell it!

 

[waterproof]

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WOW!!!!! even Yahushua own words from his mouth is no good for the followers of Paul, The Christ told you he is not THE HOLY FATHER, HE IS THE SON. It was written ""He shall speak POMPOUS WORDS AGAINST THE MOST HIGH...AND SHALL INTEND TO MAKE ALTERATIONS IN TIMES AND IN LAW"
(Daniel 7:25)

Paul - Galatians 5:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” - This is Altering Laws of YAH, he didnt give one command he gave 10, that's why it's called the 10 Commandments.

Yahuwah -20:1 And Elohim spake all these words, saying,

20:2 I am YHWH thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohim before me.

20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I YHWH thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of YHWH thy Elohim in vain; for YHWH will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of YHWH thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

20:11 For in six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which YHWH thy Elohim giveth thee.

20:13 Thou shalt not murder.

20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Let's see if The Messiah agree with Paul

Luke 10: 25 - 37

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.” - NOT ONLY THE ELOHIM dont agree with PAUL, THE CHRIST DONT AGREE WITH PAUL

SMH somebody aint playing right, I let you tell it.

Now what about the time being alter, THE ROMANS and Paul changed the Sabbath the very one Yah said to keep holy and the one Christ followed from Friday sundown to Saturday Sundown it was changed to Sunday

 

[waterproof]

And wasn't peter the apostle to the gentiles???? How did paul took that title???

 

[supaman4321]

Not only does he refuse to acknowledge the evidence put forward but he also refuses to explain away the clear proofs being put forward! now i remember why i stopped posting here it's impossible to engage in an actual discussion if only a handful of people are subjective about things

 

[waterproof]

Not only does he refuse to acknowledge the evidence put forward but he also refuses to explain away the clear proofs being put forward! now i remember why i stopped posting here it's impossible to engage in an actual discussion if only a handful of people are subjective about things

That's what i like to know, In no way im bashing Christians...I came from a long line of family memebers who are christians straight from the South, I seen these Christians do good things. But those christians from the past fullfilled prophcey they was led astray by the Preachers who didnt know better and SOME WHO KNEW BETTER but still did what they was told to do. Now these preachers today, man they got something coming. They aint no fools they go to theology school and learned and researched, they know who the real children of Isreal are and know the history of Paul, but they wont do it because they knowwhat they face if they do.

That's why The Most High is waking some up right now and the ones that are woke and still dont believe you cant say i didnt know, this generation that's waking up dont have the excuse of the ones of the past who died away, you going to have to answer.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Not only does he refuse to acknowledge the evidence put forward but he also refuses to explain away the clear proofs being put forward! now i remember why i stopped posting here it's impossible to engage in an actual discussion if only a handful of people are subjective about things

How can the truth be objective. 1x1x1=1

You either believe it or you don't.

Black and white

Plain and simple

That's it, that's all!

I love you.

And may you get to know the peace that passeth all understanding and bask in His glory forever!

 

[supaman4321]

How can the truth be objective. 1x1x1=1

You either believe it or you don't.

Black and white

Plain and simple

That's it, that's all!

I love you.

And may you get to know the peace that passeth all understanding and bask in His glory forever!

Math is off along with your logic

You saw 'Isa make clear distinctions between himself and God so if anything it is 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 and you know that doesn't make sense so once again you try and twist it. You're a devil for real a'uzu billah, get behind me satan.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

That's what i like to know, In no way im bashing Christians...I came from a long line of family memebers who are christians straight from the South, I seen these Christians do good things. But those christians from the past fullfilled prophcey they was led astray by the Preachers who didnt know better and SOME WHO KNEW BETTER but still did what they was told to do. Now these preachers today, man they got something coming. They aint no fools they go to theology school and learned and researched, they know who the real children of Isreal are and know the history of Paul, but they wont do it because they knowwhat they face if they do.

That's why The Most High is waking some up right now and the ones that are woke and still dont believe you cant say i didnt know, this generation that's waking up dont have the excuse of the ones of the past who died away, you going to have to answer.

"The just shall live by faith"Romans 1:17

What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?

 

[supaman4321]

why do you choose to listen to Paul? Why would Jesus(a.s.) have told the lawyer to go out and take care of those that need care with the story of the good samaratin if all you needed to gain eternal life was faith? he answers the question and you still think you know better, where is your sense?

You can't both be right either Jesus(a.s.) is a liar and you aren't or he's telling the truth and you have no clue what you're talking about

 

[nujerz84]

No issues with them...all muslims Ive met are good peoples...and I respect that most are devouted and true to there faith hell of lot more than so called christians.

 

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Math is off along with your logic

You saw 'Isa make clear distinctions between himself and God so if anything it is 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 and you know that doesn't make sense so once again you try and twist it. You're a devil for real a'uzu billah, get behind me satan.

Thats what I been saying all along.

Make no sense how 3 things the same as one?

Like that Christian talk show where the guy ring up and confuses the fuck out of the Christian host, he dont even know what to say..

Same vibe I'm getting here its never been fully explained who is these 3 "beings" that Christians talk of?

 

[KLICHE]

IN RESPONSE TO THE THREAD TITLE:

Most I've encountered are God fearing, and filled with love in their hearts. Some (a minority) were, rude, filled with a attitude like 'they on the right path so fuck everybody else'.

But with that said, it can apply to most 'groups' out there, if not all.

Personally I tend to like all religions to some extent. I wake up in the morning an say 'alhamdu lillah' 'all praise be to Allah' as I love the phrases that have such a profound meaning.. and Allah meaning basically 'the Creator', so makes sense to me to keep in my heart and mind, Allah first and foremost. I pray at night before sleep in a a probably christian-like way.. I kneel beside I bed and ask Allah to forgive me for my wrongdoings throughout the day, and ask that I awake from my slumber and have many years ahead to be with family and other loved ones.

I abstain from eating pork. have slipped up at times over long periods. I keep faith that great prophets emerged through various eras with the messages we have today.

p.s after browsing the responses and talks..

wondering if anyone ever gave though say to hwo in the bible speaks of a messnger to come after jesus? to fulfill the word? and most often they use the word 'paraclete' etc.. seen it discussed many atime over the place internet etc... just wondering if anyone here has gotten into it at some stage..

Peace to all

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

IN RESPONSE TO THE THREAD TITLE:

wondering if anyone ever gave though say to hwo in the bible speaks of a messnger to come after jesus? to fulfill the word? and most often they use the word 'paraclete' etc.. seen it discussed many atime over the place internet etc... just wondering if anyone here has gotten into it at some stage..

Peace to all

Your speaking of the Holy Spirit, which is given to all believers, in Jesus Christ, as a seal of their redemption. The Holy Spirit is what seperates the wheat from the chaff. If you don't have the Holy Spirit, you don't have the Father. Because the Holy Spirit came from the Father. And when He came, He didn't speak of Himself, rather He convicted the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Here is the passage of scripture that details the ministry and function of the Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent Holy Spirit.

"7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." John 16:7-15

 

[John Prewett]

IC, what are your true personal thoughts on Muslims/Islam
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12713739

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14122175

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/12/university-of-maiduguri-i_n_895441.html

University of Maiduguri In Nigeria Shuts Down Over Bomb Threats

07/12/11

"MAIDUGURI, Nigeria — A public university says it is closing indefinitely after receiving bomb threats from a radical Muslim sect in Nigeria's restive northeast.

University of Maiduguri spokesman Ahmed Mohammed said Tuesday the school could no longer guarantee the safety of its 35,000 students.

Mohammed said two letters attributed to a radical sect locally known as Boko Haram threatened bomb attacks on the institution.

Hundreds gathered at bus parks Tuesday morning to leave Maiduguri amid the unrest.

Boko Haram, whose name means "Western education is sacrilege" in the local Hausa language,

is responsible for a rash of killings targeting security officers, local leaders and clerics in the area over the last year.

They have also claimed responsibility for a bombing at the nation's police headquarters that killed two last month."

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com...cres-of-christians-by-muslims/#comment-148208

 

[supaman4321]

how can it be the Holy Spirit when according to the Bible the Holy Spirit was already present on Earth from even before Jesus(a.s.) was created by Allah

35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

and around and around we go...

 

[supaman4321]

[video=youtube;XIoXsBQ-m-I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIoXsBQ-m-I&feature=related[/video]

more problems for trinitarians

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

how can it be the Holy Spirit when according to the Bible the Holy Spirit was already present on Earth from even before Jesus(a.s.) was created by Allah

35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

and around and around we go...

First off, Jesus Christ was never created by allah. Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega. He has no beginning and He has no end. All things were created by Him and for Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made, whether they be visible or invisible.

And second, the Holy Spirit has always been around because He is the Alpha and Omega. He has no beginning and He has no end. All things were created by Him and for Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made, whether they be visible of invisible.

1x1x1=1

Yes, around and around we do go. That is until the revelation of Jesus Christ!

 

[And Step]

First off, Jesus Christ was never created by allah. Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega. He has no beginning and He has no end. All things were created by Him and for Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made, whether they be visible or invisible.

And second, the Holy Spirit has always been around because He is the Alpha and Omega. He has no beginning and He has no end. All things were created by Him and for Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made, whether they be visible of invisible.

1x1x1=1

Yes, around and around we do go. That is until the revelation of Jesus Christ!

Jesus actually said according to the Bible that none was good except the Father. He even rebuked one of the disciples for calling him good. So obviously he did not see himself as the Omnipotent as you proclaim. He even further stated that by himself he could do nothing. Well obviously, if he could not do anything of himself then he could not be the Creator, nor the Alpha or Omega.

Also, in the Language of Mathematics, when Jesus said I and My Father are one, the "and" would not be multiplier it would be addition. And the word "are" would be an equivilate. Multiplication would be denoted with the word "by". I and my father are one would be a addition problem __ +___=1. Which means that he would be less than complete as well as his Father.

When he said he and his father were one he did not mean that they were one and the same entity. He meant they were of the same mind and in one accord. You will come to see this later, if your sincere.

Cased Clizosed.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Jesus actually said according to the Bible that none was good except the Father. He even rebuked one of the disciples for calling him good. So obviously he did not see himself as the Omnipotent as you proclaim. He even further stated that by himself he could do nothing. Well obviously, if he could not do anything of himself then he could not be the Creator, nor the Alpha or Omega.

Also, in the Language of Mathematics, when Jesus said I and My Father are one, the "and" would not be multiplier it would be addition. And the word "are" would be an equivilate. Multiplication would be denoted with the word "by". I and my father are one would be a addition problem __ +___=1. Which means that he would be less than complete as well as his Father.

When he said he and his father were one he did not mean that they were one and the same entity. He meant they were of the same mind and in one accord. You will come to see this later, if your sincere.

Cased Clizosed.

Exegesis of Scripture- Why did the rich young ruler call Jesus Christ "Good Master"

"17And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 22And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions." Mark 10:17-22

• In verse 17 we see that the rich young ruler running and kneeling before the Lord Jesus Christ. His zeal for the knowledge of the Lord is encapsulated with his eagerness to meet the Master. Kneeling before Jesus Christ, he gives Him the proper honor due for the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The rich young ruler not only calls Jesus good, which declares Jesus Christ deity, but also Master which also declares Jesus Christ deity. Why? "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matthew 6:24
• The rich young ruler desired to serve both masters, which is why he left sorrowful after Jesus rebuke.
• In verse 18 we see Jesus Christ declaring His divinity. Jesus, the Master teacher, is about to do what He does best; School the kiddies. Jesus Christ ask the rich young ruler, "Why callest thou me good?" This is asked, not as denying that he was good, or as being angry with him for calling him so, but in order to lead this young man to a true knowledge of him, and his goodness, and even of his proper deity. Why? Because, "they that worship God must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
• So we see Jesus setting the rich young ruler up. Jesus is saying, If you will worship me you must believe that I AM and that I AM a rewarder of those who diligently seek me. So we see Jesus Christ admonishing the rich young ruler for his eagerness to know the Lord, but the rich young ruler didn't come by faith. He came with the thought that his possessions could gain him entrance into the eternal kingdom.
• So this is a lesson for all. Even if you know the doctrines of salvation, Even if you know that God is a tri-une being, Even if you know that Jesus Christ is the Good master; it will not gain you entrance into the kingdom. A lot of people have head knowledge of the Lord but not life knowledge. Faith is the only thing that pleases the Lord and thus faith is the only thing that will save a person. Why? "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." (Hebrews 11:6)
• So you see only those who know the Lord will be saved. And knowing the Lord encompasses everything that has to do with faith in Him. Why? "for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Romans 14:23
• So you can keep believing in a "god" of your own imagination and walk according to your own desires. But the day may come when you may find yourself on the outside looking in, because you refused humility and grace, through the rejection of having a teachable spirit which could be used for the glory of God. How tragic.

"21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23

Church dismissed.

 

[And Step]

Quoting an exegesis from a Biblical application website that doesn't address the points but gives flowery ramblings but does not address the points I posed does not qualify as addressing the points or winning an argument.

That is ghetto scholarship. You made claims and could not back them up with the Bible. I made claims and backed them up with the Bible. Belief is wonderful. But if you believe in the wrong thing you are lost as well.