IC, what are your true personal thoughts on Muslims/Islam?

[kingblaze84]

there are no bad jews XD

Um, what??!! I know you're joking now lol.

 

[Olorun22]

]Ok. You are confusing cultural imperialism with religious principles. Those principles found in the Quran such as council affairs, jurisprudence, charity, prayer, etc. did not start with the Oppressors. They started with us. We just took our way and codified it in book form and gave it to those who did not have the natural inclination to live it due to their circumstances. They just gave it back to us in a convoluted form and wrapped dogma in cultural imperialism. It is not their religion. It was always our way, go study who inhabited Mesopatamia, The Holy Land, and the Nile valley. You will find the same people. I have no problem with Black people accepting sound principles regardless to where it comes from. Just don't ask me to deny who I am.

I know the first inhabitants of the region were us but can you give me that name of the people who created islam the religion?

Who are You?

My problem with Cultural Nationalists and those who say we should go back to ancient African religion is they can't show me a working model of what they mean. They usually talk a good one but they can't manifest past talk. They trip off of labels as an ideological escape hatch to reject that which is working.

I'm not a cultural nationalists.

Who has been at the forefront of Black progress, independence, and innovation more than the Black religious community? Who sparked the Civil rights movement? Black Christians. WHo was at the forefront of the Black Nationalist/Independence Movement? Black Muslims. Who up to this point has been the most succesful in the repatriation movement? Black Hebrews.

Well, black people have been christians and muslims for over 1000 years. So anything we do on a massive scale is going to be contributed to a religious establishment. For the cultural nationalists they money isn't long or have the manpower like muslims and christian so what is it that they are going to do? People are not going to drop they religion just to go with them when there isn't any money

 

[Jonas.dini]

I don't have any problem with Muslim people (unless they're trying to proselytize to me or suppress free speech, including clowning on their religion, or if they participate in violent jihad), but I generally disapprove of Islam, as I do of all religions.

 

[Olorun22]

Yeah, but Muhammad tangible legacy is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>En-Fuegos

Real talk. Our people need concretized reality that comes from vision. Muhammad has had whole nations spring from his legacy. Financial and economic systems that many are beginning to adhere to. Systems of jurisprudence, Social order, etc. This is 1400 plus years after he died. And he couldn't read or write, but some of the most advance mathematic and scientific innovations over the last 1000 years were done by people inspired by his example

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If he couldn't read or write why is he a prophet? How many people know this? I don't kill, steal or destroy and the same cannot be said about Muhammad tangible legacy

Mansa Musa who headed the Mali empire was a Muslims. As were many African. The vast majority of Africans who are Muslims have not given up their cultural ways, unless it conflicts with principles.

Give credit where it is due.

 

[And Step]

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If he couldn't read or write why is he a prophet? How many people know this?

I didn't know reading and writing was a prerequisite to be a good dude or a prophet. Plenty of Black man at the turn of the century couldn't read nor write and they took care of their families and sent their sons and daughter to school so they could better themselves. How many people know this? Many people. You should know it too, if you claim to know so much about the legacy of Muhammad.

I don't kill, steal or destroy and the same cannot be said about Muhammad tangible legacy

Please. Ancient Nubians and Egyptians were at war with each other and many died. Your logic is twisted, bro. Using that as a barometer then none of us should have anything to do with Africa since Africans stole other Africans and killed other Africans during, before, and after the Slave trade.

 

[And Step]

I know the first inhabitants of the region were us but can you give me that name of the people who created islam the religion?

The people who created that natural way of life were Black people. Even the Quran bears witness that the system of religion it reveals(key word reveals) was in the world long before Muhammad came into existence. Islam is just an Arabic word which means submission. Prayer, Charity(sharing), Fasting, Monotheism, etc were all in the world before Muhammad. They(Arabs) were just the latest in a long line of people who were given a codified system of religion to straighten their affairs. All Abrahamic traditions can find their root in Black people. So real talk, we created it. Go read Dr. Ben's book on the African Origin of Western Religion, and he basically charts and says the same thing.

Who are You?

I am that I am.

I'm not a cultural nationalists.

Wasn't speaking of you, personally, Bro.

Well, black people have been christians and muslims for over 1000 years. So anything we do on a massive scale is going to be contributed to a religious establishment. For the cultural nationalists they money isn't long or have the manpower like muslims and christian so what is it that they are going to do? People are not going to drop they religion just to go with them when there isn't any money

That is kind of weak, my man. Money is not the issue as much as having a program with systematic thrust that can get you whatever you want. Black people did not gravitate toward "religion" because of money in the beginning. There was no money. They were attempting to draw closer to their Creator through what ever vehicle they deemed necessary, to escape oppression and find solutions for their myriad of problems. Cultural Nationalist think that being black and recognizing our historical relationship with whites is sufficient. That is not enough. We got issues my dude that only right thinking, right actions and a strong moral foundation can cure. You are not moving black people anywhere unless you recognize that they are spiritual beings at their essence, who need order and discipline to bring out sublime qualities. This is where they fail.

Besides, there was no Islamic presence in the Black community 60 years ago, so that really is not a valid argument.

 

[waterproof]

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you." Leviticus 11:7

If you desire to live under the law, you can. But it will only bring death.

That's why Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law. And when you live in Him, there is no longer any condemnation! Hallelujah!

Blasphemy u who is the follower of man laws, show me in the scriptures where it's all right to eat Pork, name one prophet or disciple that ate pork, you follower of man laws not YAHUWAH.

15 “For behold, the Lord will come in fire,
and his chariots like the whirlwind,
to render his anger in fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire will the Lord enter into judgment,
and by his sword, with all flesh;
and those slain by the Lord shall be many.

17 “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the Lord.

 

[waterproof]

Yes the languages spoken in the days of Jesus are different than the english language. I am just using the language that is my native tongue in order to communicate simple truths. The gospel message of salvation is not complicated AndStep, but we humans make it complicated with all this trivial stuff.

The bottom line is that salvation is found in none other person than Jesus Christ. For there is no other name given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Now if you want to call on Muhammad, Allah, etc. go right ahead.

My savior has a name and I address Him as such.

The end will show who was right and who was wrong.

And the messiah do have a name and you dont address him as such, his name is Yahushua his hebrew name and yet you call him Jesus, how will you feel if you be called by a different name, how about i call you George, will you answer to that

 

[supaman4321]

mash'Allah I love seeing brothers and sisters engage in intellectual debate with others and not resort to stooping to their level

Jesus(a.s.) is not God he said this repeatedly:

John 20:17 - Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Mark 13:32 - But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Mark 10:18 - “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

please stop fooling yourselves he speaks plainly, you can believe what you want but please don't put words into his mouth and lie and slander him because you wish to remain in ignorance

Say: "O followers of earlier revelation! Come unto that tenet which we and you hold in common: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall not ascribe divinity to aught beside Him, and that we shall not take human beings for our lords beside God." And if they turn away, then say: "Bear witness that it is we who have surrendered ourselves unto Him." 3:64

Wasalaam

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Blasphemy u who is the follower of man laws, show me in the scriptures where it's all right to eat Pork, name one prophet or disciple that ate pork, you follower of man laws not YAHUWAH.

15 “For behold, the Lord will come in fire,
and his chariots like the whirlwind,
to render his anger in fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire will the Lord enter into judgment,
and by his sword, with all flesh;
and those slain by the Lord shall be many.

17 “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the Lord.

The dietary rules were never intended to apply to anyone other than the Israelites. The purpose of the food laws was to make the Israelites distinct from all other nations. Now if you want to live under the law, be my guest. But I'll follow the new covenant, which was established upon better promises. Hallelujah!

You need to read Romans 14 because from the looks of it your not too mature in the faith if your still hung-up on food.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

And the messiah do have a name and you dont address him as such, his name is Yahushua his hebrew name and yet you call him Jesus, how will you feel if you be called by a different name, how about i call you George, will you answer to that

So now God isn't able to understand the English language, which He created? Interesting.

 

[waterproof]

The dietary rules were never intended to apply to anyone other than the Israelites. The purpose of the food laws was to make the Israelites distinct from all other nations. Now if you want to live under the law, be my guest. But I'll follow the new covenant, which was established upon better promises. Hallelujah!

You need to read Romans 14 because from the looks of it your not too mature in the faith if your still hung-up on food.

and i read it and it was the Opinion of Paul, are you a follower of Christ or Paul because.....Think not that I (Jesus) am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, But to fulfill.
“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law , till all is fulfilled.
“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

And why all of Yahushua kept the dietary laws and why Paul feel like he can change the laws

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

and i read it and it was the Opinion of Paul, are you a follower of Christ or Paul because.....Think not that I (Jesus) am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, But to fulfill.
“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law , till all is fulfilled.
“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

And why all of Yahushua kept the dietary laws and why Paul feel like he can change the laws

You just posted the basis for this whole discussion my friend. Jesus Christ was the only person to ever keep the law in it's entirety. No Israelite was ever able to. The law was perfect and it demanded perfection. The only one to ever measure up to the perfect standard was God Himself, Jesus Christ. And because Jesus Christ was able to keep the law with 100% accuracy, He established a better covenant under His blood.

Now if you want to live under a curse be my guest. There is freedom in Jesus Christ, not bondage. If you think keeping dietary laws is pleasing to God, I will pray for you. It's not what goes into the mouth which defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth. Loving God and your neighbor is the fulfillment of the law. Not keeping dietary laws.

Meat does not commend us to God. But if I were to ever meet you in this life, I would honor your request of not eating a certain type of meat in your presence, because I love you. I wouldn't want to offend those who are spiritually immature if they can't comprehend the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus. So if eating certain meats is offensive to you, I will honor your request.

Here goes some more commentary on the subject

Question: "What does the Bible say about what foods we should eat (kosher)? Are there foods a Christian should avoid?"

Answer: Leviticus chapter 11 lists the dietary restrictions God gave to the nation of Israel. The dietary laws included prohibitions against eating pork, shrimp, shellfish and many types of seafood, most insects, scavenger birds, and various other animals. The dietary rules were never intended to apply to anyone other than the Israelites. The purpose of the food laws was to make the Israelites distinct from all other nations. After this purpose had ended, Jesus declared all foods clean (Mark 7:19). God gave the apostle Peter a vision in which He declared that formerly unclean animals could be eaten: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean” (Acts 10:15). When Jesus died on the cross, He fulfilled the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:24-26; Ephesians 2:15). This includes the laws regarding clean and unclean foods.

Romans 14:1-23 teaches us that not everyone is mature enough in the faith to accept the fact that all foods are clean. As a result, if we are with someone who would be offended by our eating “unclean” food, we should give up our right to do so as to not offend the other person. We have the right to eat whatever we want, but we do not have the right to offend other people, even if they are wrong. For the Christian in this age, though, we have freedom to eat whatever we wish as long as it does not cause someone else to stumble in his/her faith.

In the New Covenant of grace, the Bible is far more concerned with how much we eat than what we eat. Physical appetites are an analogy of our ability to control ourselves. If we are unable to control our eating habits, we are probably also unable to control other habits such as those of the mind (lust, covetousness, unrighteous hatred/anger) and unable to keep our mouths from gossip or strife. We are not to let our appetites control us; rather, we are to control them (Deuteronomy 21:20; Proverbs 23:2; 2 Peter 1:5-7; 2 Timothy 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 10:5).

 

[waterproof]

You just posted the basis for this whole discussion my friend. Jesus Christ was the only person to ever keep the law in it's entirety. No Israelite was ever able to. The law was perfect and it demanded perfection. The only one to ever measure up to the perfect standard was God Himself, Jesus Christ. And because Jesus Christ was able to keep the law with 100% accuracy, He established a better covenant under His blood.

Now if you want to live under a curse be my guest. There is freedom in Jesus Christ, not bondage. If you think keeping dietary laws is pleasing to God, I will pray for you. It's not what goes into the mouth which defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth. Loving God and your neighbor is the fulfillment of the law. Not keeping dietary laws.

Meat does not commend us to God. But if I were to ever meet you in this life, I would honor your request of not eating a certain type of meat in your presence, because I love you. I wouldn't want to offend those who are spiritually immature if they can't comprehend the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus. So if eating certain meats is offensive to you, I will honor your request.

Here goes some more commentary on the subject

Question: "What does the Bible say about what foods we should eat (kosher)? Are there foods a Christian should avoid?"

Answer: Leviticus chapter 11 lists the dietary restrictions God gave to the nation of Israel. The dietary laws included prohibitions against eating pork, shrimp, shellfish and many types of seafood, most insects, scavenger birds, and various other animals. The dietary rules were never intended to apply to anyone other than the Israelites. The purpose of the food laws was to make the Israelites distinct from all other nations. After this purpose had ended, Jesus declared all foods clean (Mark 7:19). God gave the apostle Peter a vision in which He declared that formerly unclean animals could be eaten: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean” (Acts 10:15). When Jesus died on the cross, He fulfilled the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:24-26; Ephesians 2:15). This includes the laws regarding clean and unclean foods.

Romans 14:1-23 teaches us that not everyone is mature enough in the faith to accept the fact that all foods are clean. As a result, if we are with someone who would be offended by our eating “unclean” food, we should give up our right to do so as to not offend the other person. We have the right to eat whatever we want, but we do not have the right to offend other people, even if they are wrong. For the Christian in this age, though, we have freedom to eat whatever we wish as long as it does not cause someone else to stumble in his/her faith.

In the New Covenant of grace, the Bible is far more concerned with how much we eat than what we eat. Physical appetites are an analogy of our ability to control ourselves. If we are unable to control our eating habits, we are probably also unable to control other habits such as those of the mind (lust, covetousness, unrighteous hatred/anger) and unable to keep our mouths from gossip or strife. We are not to let our appetites control us; rather, we are to control them (Deuteronomy 21:20; Proverbs 23:2; 2 Peter 1:5-7; 2 Timothy 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 10:5).

Come on DU Mark 7:19 is the same as Matthew 15:1 - Then came to Yahushua scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 "Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread."

Matthew 15:11 - Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man... That was applied to the Hebrew Pharisees who were the think tank and a political part among the Hebrews who knew the Hebrew laws and traditions, Washing hands before eating is a hebrew tradition not a law, so the Pharisees were asking why the disciples was eating without washing their hands.. He did not delcared all food are clean u are a lie because if he did then he would of broken YAHUWAH his father laws and went against his father. Did he say he didn't come to destroy his father laws and if he would of made all food clean then why he and the disciples didnt eat no swine or broke the dietary laws???

Acts 10, Im glad you post that scripture why didn't you post the whole scripture, Paul had a vision that was showed to him by Yahuwah 10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

18And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

19While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

21Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

22And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

23Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

25And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

27And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Now that you see this" GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN", because he understood the vision after he pondered when the scripture said -
" Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate."

Now why would the most high went against himself if he made all foods clean, his word is set in stone.

Now for the others again it's the opinion of Paul when he wrote the letters, Again I ask you who do you follow Christ or Paul

 

[John Prewett]

Lets be serious for a second.

IC, what are your true personal thoughts on Muslims/Islam?

That they are terribly deceived, as are all members

of what is commonly called "organized religion."

" Satan has deceived the whole world ..." [in rev 12]

 

[And Step]

That they are terribly deceived, as are all members

of what is commonly called "organized religion."

" Satan has deceived the whole world ..." [in rev 12]

The only people who have been able to deceive the whole world has been white people.

So what you saying?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Come on DU Mark 7:19 is the same as Matthew 15:1 - Then came to Yahushua scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 "Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread."

Matthew 15:11 - Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man... That was applied to the Hebrew Pharisees who were the think tank and a political part among the Hebrews who knew the Hebrew laws and traditions, Washing hands before eating is a hebrew tradition not a law, so the Pharisees were asking why the disciples was eating without washing their hands.. He did not delcared all food are clean u are a lie because if he did then he would of broken YAHUWAH his father laws and went against his father. Did he say he didn't come to destroy his father laws and if he would of made all food clean then why he and the disciples didnt eat no swine or broke the dietary laws???

Acts 10, Im glad you post that scripture why didn't you post the whole scripture, Paul had a vision that was showed to him by Yahuwah 10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

18And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

19While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

21Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

22And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

23Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

25And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

27And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Now that you see this" GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN", because he understood the vision after he pondered when the scripture said -
" Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate."

Now why would the most high went against himself if he made all foods clean, his word is set in stone.

Now for the others again it's the opinion of Paul when he wrote the letters, Again I ask you who do you follow Christ or Paul

Like I said Waterproof, some people just don't want to experience the liberty that is in Jesus Christ and that's their prerogative. If you want to abstain from eating certain types of meats, feel free to do so. But don't tell me to join in with you by demanding me to live under a curse.

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." Galatians 3:10

I've been set free by the Son. And all who know Him have been too. May God give you a teachable spirit so that the eyes of your understanding can be filled with the simplicity of the gospel of Christ. God bless.

 

[RiGGA]

DOU out chea sonnin niggas

 

[waterproof]

Like I said Waterproof, some people just don't want to experience the liberty that is in Jesus Christ and that's their prerogative. If you want to abstain from eating certain types of meats, feel free to do so. But don't tell me to join in with you by demanding me to live under a curse.

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." Galatians 3:10

I've been set free by the Son. And all who know Him have been too. May God give you a teachable spirit so that the eyes of your understanding can be filled with the simplicity of the gospel of Christ. God bless.

First of all the Curse is death, that's why the messiah came because he was the perfect lamb

Again that's the opinion of Paul in a letter he wrote, Paul is not a prophet or one of the disciples you have to seperate Paul opinions from The word of Yahuwah, Yahushua and the prophets. Now if paul is saying something different that The Holy father and Yahushua and those things didnt come out any of their mouth through the messiah and through the prophets or disciples than something is wrong there. Now Paul is Man and he's not a prophet, he say one thing that goes with the law and the next he say something else.

The Messiah just told you I came here not to destroy the father laws, and here you going on what Paul Opinions

Mark 7:6-9 And He (Yahushua) answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu (Isaiah) prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.’ “Forsaking the command of Elohim, you hold fast the tradition of men.” And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of Elohim, in order to guard your tradition

This is what Yahushua said "Forsaking the Command (the laws of the most high) of the elohim, you hold fast the tradition of men"

Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For Elohim shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

First of all the Curse is death, that's why the messiah came because he was the perfect lamb

Again that's the opinion of Paul in a letter he wrote, Paul is not a prophet or one of the disciples you have to seperate Paul opinions from The word of Yahuwah, Yahushua and the prophets. Now if paul is saying something different that The Holy father and Yahushua and those things didnt come out any of their mouth through the messiah and through the prophets or disciples than something is wrong there. Now Paul is Man and he's not a prophet, he say one thing that goes with the law and the next he say something else.

The Messiah just told you I came here not to destroy the father laws, and here you going on what Paul Opinions

Mark 7:6-9 And He (Yahushua) answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu (Isaiah) prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.’ “Forsaking the command of Elohim, you hold fast the tradition of men.” And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of Elohim, in order to guard your tradition

This is what Yahushua said "Forsaking the Command (the laws of the most high) of the elohim, you hold fast the tradition of men"

Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For Elohim shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

If you don't accept what Paul said than you don't accept what God said. God is the author of the Holy Bible. Point blank. End of discussion. Now if you have a problem with the authority of the scriptures, I highly suggest you pray to the Father and ask Him to reveal truth to you. I can't make the truth of God real to you, but God can. So I leave it in His hands my brother. May your understanding be saturated with the simplicity of the gospel message of Jesus Christ. Amen.