IC, what are your true personal thoughts on Muslims/Islam?

[waterproof]

If you don't accept what Paul said than you don't accept what God said. God is the author of the Holy Bible. Point blank. End of discussion. Now if you have a problem with the authority of the scriptures, I highly suggest you pray to the Father and ask Him to reveal truth to you. I can't make the truth of God real to you, but God can. So I leave it in His hands my brother. May your understanding be saturated with the simplicity of the gospel message of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Paul - for by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God – not the result of works, so that no one may boast

Christ - Thus you will know them by their fruits. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?' Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.' "?

Christ - "Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree bad, and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. You brood of vipers! How can you speak good things, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. the good person brings good things out of a good treasure, and the evil person brings evil things out of an evil treasure. i tell you, on the day of judgment you will have to give an account for every careless word you utter; for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

Paul "Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him" yahshua had locks, Sampson had locks, John the Baptist had locks for he is a Nazarene.

Numbers 6:5 'During the entire period of his vow of separation no razor may be used on his head. He must be holy until the period of his separation to the LORD is over; he must let the hair of his head grow long.

Judges 13:5 because you will conceive and give birth to a son. No razor may be used on his head, because the boy is to be a Nazirite, set apart to God from birth, and he will begin the deliverance of Israel from the hands of the Philistines

 

[Sovo_Nah]

The only people who have been able to deceive the whole world has been white people.

So what you saying?

And people will argue, fight, disown, and kill you over those words those white people wrote in that bible. just peep this thread.

you wanna be a muslim or a christian = you wanna get stabbed or shot.

When you have facts, you dont need faith.

 

[supaman4321]

It's a waste of a time but very commendable effort waterproof, no matter in what what you show DOU the contradiction he refuses to acknowledge them

If God is the author of the bible then why are there different versions and editions, also how can Paul confirm what came before him by contradicting all of it, how people rationalize this is beyond me and alhamdullilah i don't want to understand how you do it but it really baffles me sometimes

 

[waterproof]

It's a waste of a time but very commendable effort waterproof, no matter in what what you show DOU the contradiction he refuses to acknowledge them

If God is the author of the bible then why are there different versions and editions, also how can Paul confirm what came before him by contradicting all of it, how people rationalize this is beyond me and alhamdullilah i don't want to understand how you do it but it really baffles me sometimes

I follow the Torah and the The Gospel of the apostle's, because the Torah been around before the europeans was living in the dark ages and im talking about no math, no culture living in caves. My ancestors followed and lived by the book flourish and was a superpower by that book. When people say that the Torah and the Gospel of the Apostles was used for slavery of the ancestors of the people of the book aka Blacks they are lying and dont know what they are talking about.

The Europeans and whites who used the bible for slavery are using THE LETTERS OF PAUL!!!! you have to study and The Torah and the apostles gospel to know it's fruit, Paul was a agent for the Roman's and was a pharisee who tried to killed all the Discpiles of Yahushua, because they followed Son of Man. Paul never met Yahushua , Paul was never recognized as an apostle by the Disciples OR Yahushua,Paul's account of his Damascus Road Experience changed every time he told it, thus the disciples knew he was lying. Paul said God's law was a Curse. Yahushua said it was a blessing.

Yahushua believed in circumcise because it was the law of his father and himself was circumcise but Paul said Circumcision is not necessary (Romans 2:26).

Paul -For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you. "SAY WHAT?"

He consider himself a roman because he's a roman agent even though he was a hebrew"

When they tied Paul down to lash him, Paul said to the officer standing there, "Is it legal for you to whip a Roman citizen who hasn't even been tried?"

There was a reason why the The Disciple's and the essene christians who was taught by the son of man didnt trust Shaul

 

[waterproof]

It's a waste of a time but very commendable effort waterproof, no matter in what what you show DOU the contradiction he refuses to acknowledge them

If God is the author of the bible then why are there different versions and editions, also how can Paul confirm what came before him by contradicting all of it, how people rationalize this is beyond me and alhamdullilah i don't want to understand how you do it but it really baffles me sometimes

And let me add that the Romans where one of the first beast started to change the names in the The Law and the Gospel of the Apostles they was doin the work of the devil, i read from this http://yahushua.net/scriptures/

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

And people will argue, fight, disown, and kill you over those words those white people wrote in that bible. just peep this thread.

you wanna be a muslim or a christian = you wanna get stabbed or shot.

When you have facts, you dont need faith.

Yeah, I got the facts all right! Jesus Christ WINS! You either get on the undisputed and undefeated King of King and Lords of Lords or you will get crushed! Plain and simple. The fight is fixed. I'm on the winning team and I can't lose! Praise God Al-Mighty!

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

It's a waste of a time but very commendable effort waterproof, no matter in what what you show DOU the contradiction he refuses to acknowledge them

If God is the author of the bible then why are there different versions and editions, also how can Paul confirm what came before him by contradicting all of it, how people rationalize this is beyond me and alhamdullilah i don't want to understand how you do it but it really baffles me sometimes

1 Cor 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

An end time prophet is needed in these last days! A man of God who will lead a great revival by turning the hearts of the people back to the Alpha and Omega, Jesus Christ!

 

[kingblaze84]

mash'Allah I love seeing brothers and sisters engage in intellectual debate with others and not resort to stooping to their level

Jesus(a.s.) is not God he said this repeatedly:

John 20:17 - Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Mark 13:32 - But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Mark 10:18 - “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

please stop fooling yourselves he speaks plainly, you can believe what you want but please don't put words into his mouth and lie and slander him because you wish to remain in ignorance

Say: "O followers of earlier revelation! Come unto that tenet which we and you hold in common: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall not ascribe divinity to aught beside Him, and that we shall not take human beings for our lords beside God." And if they turn away, then say: "Bear witness that it is we who have surrendered ourselves unto Him." 3:64

Wasalaam

I'm not even Muslim, but ya'll Christians just gonna ignore this post?

 

[kingblaze84]

Yeah, I got the facts all right! Jesus Christ WINS! You either get on the undisputed and undefeated King of King and Lords of Lords or you will get crushed! Plain and simple. The fight is fixed. I'm on the winning team and I can't lose! Praise God Al-Mighty!

Proof? Link??

 

[waterproof]

I'm not even Muslim, but ya'll Christians just gonna ignore this post?

Hebrews and the First Christians that are true to the book knows that Yahushua is not Yahuwah for the The Son of Man states out of his own mouth that he's not THE ELOHIM. I mean He call himself SON OF MAN and we are the children of the Most high so he's the Son of The Elohim Yahuwah

 

[supaman4321]

I'm not even Muslim, but ya'll Christians just gonna ignore this post?

that's what they do I've gotten used to it afterall you can't answer what you refuse to accept as reality

 

[waterproof]

1 Cor 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

An end time prophet is needed in these last days! A man of God who will lead a great revival by turning the hearts of the people back to the Alpha and Omega, Jesus Christ!

Please show me where Yahuwah told him to say that, that every letter he wrote is from the most high and not from his own opinions.

PAUL -"For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you. "

YAHUSHUA - Matthew 23:7-12

21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

7and greetings in the markets, and to be called by men, `Rabbi, Rabbi.'

8But be not ye called `Rabbi,' for One is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9"And call no man your father upon earth, for One is your Father, who is in Heaven.

10Neither be ye called masters, for One is your Master, even Christ.

11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted

 

[supaman4321]

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

Luke 10: 25 - 37

These are the very plain and direct questions I sought answer to and can co-sign as probably being true guidance from 'Isa (a.s.) given from Allah. This would have been a PERFECT opportunity to tell him, "believe in me as your Lord and that i will die for your sins" but instead he returns with a counter question, "what is written in the Law and how do you read it?" In fact he doesn't seem to make reference to anything new at all the man answers his own questions.

I don't think triune God's and God sacrificing himself or his "sons" were apart of the monotheistic view of attaining salvation or of God period, but we do know that these themes have been common throughout polytheism throughout history.

things that make you go hmmmm......

wasalaam

 

[waterproof]

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

Luke 10: 25 - 37

These are the very plain and direct questions I sought answer to and can co-sign as probably being true guidance from 'Isa (a.s.) given from Allah. This would have been a PERFECT opportunity to tell him, "believe in me as your Lord and that i will die for your sins" but instead he returns with a counter question, "what is written in the Law and how do you read it?" In fact he doesn't seem to make reference to anything new at all the man answers his own questions.

I don't think triune God's and God sacrificing himself or his "sons" were apart of the monotheistic view of attaining salvation or of God period, but we do know that these themes have been common throughout polytheism throughout history.

things that make you go hmmmm......

wasalaam

And for all those people who say and my Christian brothers who believe Paul that Yahuwah Laws and Commandments is done away with believing the trick and lies of Satan, what supaman4321 posted from Luke 10: 25-37, THE CHRIST YAHUSHUA said to inherit eternal life is to follow The Father's Law that was written and That's his Commandments

 

[supaman4321]

They can't justify their faith through the teachings of Jesus(a.s.) they have to do so through the words of Paul, the supposed "Apostle for the Gentiles"

we don't believe you you need more people

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

If you don't believe that Jesus Christ is God, your lost. They that worship God must worship Him in spirit and in truth. So if you WILLINGLY deny the deity of Jesus Christ, you are WILLINGLY calling God a liar and thus not worshiping Him in truth.

God said that all who come to Him, He will draw. If you deny the deity of Christ you have not been drawn to Him. That is why your spiritual eyes have been blinded by the simplicity of the gospel message. The enemy has made you to think that you can create your own "god" which is established upon "your own righteousness."

May God convict you of your deeds and give you a teachable spirit so that the seeds that are sown will fall on good ground instead of on stony ground, surrounded by thorns and thistles.

 

[supaman4321]

I think i'll place more stock in what 'Isa(a.s.) said himself he speaks plainly and you still call him God but I'M the one who's lost yet you do nothing to refute it because you can't.

21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"
23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. Surah 5:72

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I think i'll place more stock in what 'Isa(a.s.) said himself he speaks plainly and you still call him God but I'M the one who's lost yet you do nothing to refute it because you can't.

21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"
23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. Surah 5:72

The irony of you posting Matthew 7:21-23 is compelling. You know what they say though; if you make your bed hard you got to lay in that bad boy.

May God give you a teachable spirit so that you can accept Jesus Christ for who He truly is and thus be saved.

 

[supaman4321]

Verily, in the sight of God, the nature of Jesus is as the nature of Adam, whom He created out of dust and then said unto him, "Be" - and he is.

[This is] the truth from thy Sustainer; be not, then, among the doubters!

And if anyone should argue with thee about this [truth] after all the knowledge that has come unto thee, say: "Come! Let us summon our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves; and then let us pray [together] humbly and ardently, and let us invoke God's curse upon those [of us] who are telling a lie."

Behold, this is indeed the truth of the matter, and there is no deity whatever save God; and, verily, God - He alone - is almighty, truly wise.

And if they turn away [from this truth] - behold, God has full knowledge of the spreaders of corruption.

Surah 3: 59 - 63

 

[supaman4321]

I tell you you're wrong and i prove to you how with your own scriptures out of the mouth of your own "God" but I'm misguided? Produce your proof or remain silent and actually contemplate what i'm saying to you

walaikum