"I Fear I May Have Integrated My People Into a Burning House" - Martin Luther King Jr.

[zombie]

Me asking you your race has nothing to do with my argument

wow, just going to straight-up lie like that?

He did not believe social integration would work but after mecca he was willing to work with other people on movement integration. NOI STANCE WAS NO INTEGRATION AT ALL IN ANYTHING.

so again, after Mecca (and really, before that), he moves from the NOI stance (NO INTEGRATION AT ALL IN ANYTHING) to working on movement integration. you know, side by side with non-blacks for causes and the like. i don't know WHERE we got the idea that he was moving in the direction of integration and not the opposite.

or why you're ignoring the fact that, as i said, "you and i both don't know where Malcolm was headed because someone fucking KILLED him, but he was clearly moving in a direction away from the NOI's stance on racial integration and getting involved in social issues. this, quite frankly, makes it more likely he was headed toward integration of whatever sort"

There is no lie, i just want to know your race so can you answer the fucking question if i remember correctly i asked you your race in another thread a long time ago and you never answered.

and did you not watch the second video the man said he would work with other organizations he did not say anything about blacks and white living in a fully integrated society. You have put no proof to your position you just believe in your stance. Unless you can bring some written or video proof to support your position i am not going to argue with you about this anymore.

 

[zombie]

I am not impressed by a few rich black people as long as the community is poor we are all poor. Chris rock said that if bill gates woke up with oprah moeny he would shoot himself. blacks own less than 5 % of all firms in america. make up half the jail population. BLACKS ARE DOING BETTER now because we are not being spit on but we are underacheiving like a motherfucker.

We get pennies black should be doing much better and we would had integration not screwed our minds now agree there had to be changes in the system. there were positives with integretion but they came with alot of negatives and the negative outnumber the positives. @ the bolded you don't bring your money back into the community, because it often does not make economical sense. if you did bring the money to the community then the black dollar would circulate among black people. This is part of what i am saying what people think is going on and the reality do not match. If you did not trust the government you would take care of the community you come from and there would not be families that spent whole generations in housing projects and on welfare. as for the civil rights generation they did the best they could but i think the long term outcome was not as good as they thought it would have been.

You are deluded and not looking at reality most blacks are not in your situation.

Yep, focus on the isolated rich people I mentioned and completely ignore the more general statements I made about our progress. That makes sense. And no I didn't say that most blacks are in my situation. I'm not complaining most blacks to where we were, and it's indisputable that blacks have improved with each generation.

And I agree that we are underachieving, but you're really exaggerating by claiming we're getting pennies. If you've got a good skill, talent, resume, etc... you can make a good and successful life for yourself. If you disagree with that, then you simply do not know what you're talking about. No on average we don't get paid the same for the same work as our white counterparts, but guess what fat people don't get treated the same as fit people. Ugly people don't get paid as much as attractive people. There are no shortage of unfair double standards in this country. Not all of them are racial. That doesn't change the fact that it's getting better for blacks slowly but surely, and only a blind person or someone who just flat out doesn't know what he's talking about would argue with that.

Once again. If you point is that we as blacks in America aren't where we could or should be, I completely agree. But that is not due to integration. That is due to a lack of foresight in the black community.

YEAH, we are getting pennies too many of us work for people we don't work for ourselves we don't generate enough of our own wealth and that is due to integration and it is only getting better superficially. have we really improved with each generation?? seeing as how we own less and control less i would say no. Not being lynced and spit on is progress but they still shit on us they just do it in other ways. I ignored the general statements because they are faulty. The average white family is six times as wealthy as the average black family and for every dollar we have they have two.http://www.urban.org/publications/904582.html

And a large portion of the black middle class is a results of government jobs, You are delusional or just don't know the situation black people in america are in. Our lives are only as stable as other people make them because we do not own or control anything. But you believe we are doing better

Working for pennies and for other people can't be said for a lot of people, including a large amount of white people. While I agree that it would be nice to have more black owned businesses, not everyone is meant to own a business. And working for someone else does not = working for pennies. Lots of the richest people in this country are working for other people. Hell at my company, you got a lot of people who are rolling in dough, and they got the same boss that I got.

The average white family has hundreds of years of a head start on black people. Of course whites in general have it better. It's been less than a hundred years since we even earned the opportunity to compete on anything approaching a fair level.

And what difference does it make that the black middle class have government jobs. I don't even know that that's true to be honest, because there are a lot of black professionals out there in fields like nursing and engineering or making good money from technical trades like carpentry and automotive repair. And I'm not delusional. I know there are a lot of black people out there in the cold. I never said life was perfect for all black people. Life isn't even perfect for all white people. Still progress takes time, and all trends show that the black middle class is growing meaning that as I've said multiple times now, there is progress in the black community. You last couple of sentences are silly too, because even if you own your own business, you're only as stable as other people make you. You business lives and dies as much by your investors and your clientele as anything you do. There are a lot of people out there on the precipice of poverty and they own their own businesses. Or did you think that owning a business is somehow an automatic key to ultimate success.

But you know what, we can dead this, because it's you that are most definitely delusional. You're questioning the fact that Blacks are doing better in America than they were in the past. Anyone who would even go that far really doesn't have any reason discussing something like this because they have no idea what they are talking about. It's one thing to say that we could and should be doing better. I could agree with that, but to act like we haven't made progress even though 60 years ago a lot of black people couldn't even conceive of the shit that's commonplace now is retarded.

When i said we make pennies i mean in comparison to everyone else the fact remains that for every dollar we have they have two. The average white family has not been here for hundreds of years most white people just got here they are irish, german or italian decent. having a middle class created by private jobs is better for a community government jobs may pay but they limit a communities economic power and a large percentage of the black middle class do have government jobs
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/09/152297370/government-job-cuts-threaten-black-middle-class

You need more economic education you seem to equate making money with progress toward wealth but this is a faulty assumption. blacks have more money than we did in the 1960's but we have less relative wealth.

 

[zombie]

A great article I read online on the destructive effect integration has had on Blacks........here are just some snippets of it....integration has done more harm then good for Blacks.....
http://www.thinkaboutit-knowaboutit.com/2013/06/did-integration-hurt-black-america.html

Though the Civil Rights Act officially ended legal discrimination, black people continued to face inequality and they were still oppressed. Worse, the black community was fracturing as it rapidly changed from a tight-knit and self-sustaining community to a community that was increasingly coming to rely on white grace. Middle-class black business owners established their own communities, leaving their lower-class brothers and sisters behind. To this day, middle class black Americans and poor black Americans remain separated from each other.

Look at the current state of black America. It is no longer unified as it was under segregation. This is because segregation forced blacks to sink or swim, and they swam by establishing their own self-sustained community.

After segregation ended, black restaurants, theaters, insurance companies, banks, etc. disappeared, and hard economic times destroyed black neighborhoods that had previously flourished. An economic vacuum ensued and jobs were scarce. Coupled with the power vacuum that occurred when black civil rights leaders were killed and subsequent black power movements were destroyed, black America found itself in the midst of a lack of leadership, drugs, gang violence, extreme poverty, and desperation.

But hey, at least America was integrated.

Today, black people spend 95% of their money at white businesses. Black businesses are owned by white enterprises. Though there are some cities that contain black businesses and institutions (most notably Atlanta), millions of black people are still suffering under the conditions that led to the deterioration of black America.

Integration seemed promising, and it did indeed afford blacks many basic human rights. But integration was a promise that failed. It failed to end racism, it failed to end discrimination, and it failed to uplift the black community as a whole. And to this day, blacks and whites still segregate themselves from each other anyway.

So forced segregation against your own will is the solution? It must come out of understanding and love out of your own people. Let black folk make their own choice, especially in the globalized 21st century.

they could have reformed the system not integrate the system, was forced integration the answer to the racial problems in america? i think not. It made the usa a friendlier place to live for black people but in the process blacks lost the only thing that counts in this society economic power aka freedom. Now we have more opportunity but we end up working for other people. Black people have been mis- educated and under-edcuated and therefore do not make good economic choices. That fact is clear and obvious when you look at the numbers. African americans SPENDING POWER will reach 1.1 trillion dollars by 2015 yet blacks are still poor had they reformed segregation then at least half of that money could have been poured into the black community.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

When i said we make pennies i mean in comparison to everyone else the fact remains that for every dollar we have they have two. The average white family has not been here for hundreds of years most white people just got here they are irish, german or italian decent. having a middle class created by private jobs is better for a community government jobs may pay but they limit a communities economic power and a large percentage of the black middle class do have government jobs
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/09/152297370/government-job-cuts-threaten-black-middle-class

You need more economic education you seem to equate making money with progress toward wealth but this is a faulty assumption. blacks have more money than we did in the 1960's but we have less relative wealth.

You're the one that doesn't seem to understand wealth. White people have more wealth than blacks on average because they've been passing that shit from generation to generation. Even with poor white families, when they die, they have something to pass on. Blacks haven't had shit for the majority of their time in this country, so there is nothing for most of us to pass on. No one is saying wealth is the same as making money, but if you're starting from a state of 0 wealth and in a lot of cases for Blacks negative wealth, you have to be able to make money to turn that around. Again, blacks in the past having nothing and not being able to make much to build wealth vs blacks now who still may start out with nothing but can at least climb up the economic ladder so that they can build wealth. There is a big difference between those two states.

And you're going to have to show some kinda prove that most whites in this country descend from relatively recent immigrants. There are pockets of those kinds of people throughout the country, but you're crazy if you think that most of the whites living in the South, Midwest, and even West are descended from recent immigrants. Most of the people you're talking about are concentrated in the Northeast. Most whites have been here for generations. That's part of the reason they just see themselves as Americans and not German Americans or French Americans or British Americans.

 

[zombie]

When i said we make pennies i mean in comparison to everyone else the fact remains that for every dollar we have they have two. The average white family has not been here for hundreds of years most white people just got here they are irish, german or italian decent. having a middle class created by private jobs is better for a community government jobs may pay but they limit a communities economic power and a large percentage of the black middle class do have government jobs
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/09/152297370/government-job-cuts-threaten-black-middle-class

You need more economic education you seem to equate making money with progress toward wealth but this is a faulty assumption. blacks have more money than we did in the 1960's but we have less relative wealth.

You're the one that doesn't seem to understand wealth. White people have more wealth than blacks on average because they've been passing that shit from generation to generation. Even with poor white families, when they die, they have something to pass on. Blacks haven't had shit for the majority of their time in this country, so there is nothing for most of us to pass on. No one is saying wealth is the same as making money, but if you're starting from a state of 0 wealth and in a lot of cases for Blacks negative wealth, you have to be able to make money to turn that around. Again, blacks in the past having nothing and not being able to make much to build wealth vs blacks now who still may start out with nothing but can at least climb up the economic ladder so that they can build wealth. There is a big difference between those two states.

And you're going to have to show some kinda prove that most whites in this country descend from relatively recent immigrants. There are pockets of those kinds of people throughout the country, but you're crazy if you think that most of the whites living in the South, Midwest, and even West are descended from recent immigrants. Most of the people you're talking about are concentrated in the Northeast. Most whites have been here for generations. That's part of the reason they just see themselves as Americans and not German Americans or French Americans or British Americans.

When i said we make pennies i mean in comparison to everyone else the fact remains that for every dollar we have they have two. The average white family has not been here for hundreds of years most white people just got here they are irish, german or italian decent. having a middle class created by private jobs is better for a community government jobs may pay but they limit a communities economic power and a large percentage of the black middle class do have government jobs
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/09/152297370/government-job-cuts-threaten-black-middle-class

You need more economic education you seem to equate making money with progress toward wealth but this is a faulty assumption. blacks have more money than we did in the 1960's but we have less relative wealth.

You're the one that doesn't seem to understand wealth. White people have more wealth than blacks on average because they've been passing that shit from generation to generation. Even with poor white families, when they die, they have something to pass on. Blacks haven't had shit for the majority of their time in this country, so there is nothing for most of us to pass on. No one is saying wealth is the same as making money, but if you're starting from a state of 0 wealth and in a lot of cases for Blacks negative wealth, you have to be able to make money to turn that around. Again, blacks in the past having nothing and not being able to make much to build wealth vs blacks now who still may start out with nothing but can at least climb up the economic ladder so that they can build wealth. There is a big difference between those two states.

And you're going to have to show some kinda prove that most whites in this country descend from relatively recent immigrants. There are pockets of those kinds of people throughout the country, but you're crazy if you think that most of the whites living in the South, Midwest, and even West are descended from recent immigrants. Most of the people you're talking about are concentrated in the Northeast. Most whites have been here for generations. That's part of the reason they just see themselves as Americans and not German Americans or French Americans or British Americans.

We would not be starting from zero at this point if blacks not not foolishly given up everything they had, blacks owned alot more of their own before integration black had shit to pass on. You belive this lie that black had nothing before integration, but the NOI alone had schools, stores and farms and they were not the only ones.

At least half the white population only got here around or after the time of the civil war. The irish and the italian alone make up at least close to a quater of the entire white population This is not to mention the swedish and norwegians. Only 9% of america is british-american and they are the people who founded this country

all these white nationalities see themselves as americans because they have adopted the culture that is being created in america, they are brought into the american way of life because they are white people.

 

[janklow]

There is no lie, i just want to know your race

yeah, this right here is the lie: "Me asking you your race has nothing to do with my argument"

and did you not watch the second video the man said he would work with other organizations he did not say anything about blacks and white living in a fully integrated society.

typically i do not watch videos in these threads. but if the video says what you're saying, that doesn't actually contradict what i am saying.

You have put no proof to your position you just believe in your stance.

my stance is based on observations of Malcolm that you're not even disputing. so what the hell?

Unless you can bring some written or video proof to support your position i am not going to argue with you about this anymore.

another lie, i am sure

but seriously, it's not like you're providing more proof that i am, so this is basically you being an angry dude on the internet demanding i meet some level of proof determined by you somehow to "win" the argument. miss me with that shit. either you debate or you don't, either you agree or you don't.

 

[zombie]

There is no lie, i just want to know your race

yeah, this right here is the lie: "Me asking you your race has nothing to do with my argument"

and did you not watch the second video the man said he would work with other organizations he did not say anything about blacks and white living in a fully integrated society.

typically i do not watch videos in these threads. but if the video says what you're saying, that doesn't actually contradict what i am saying.

You have put no proof to your position you just believe in your stance.

my stance is based on observations of Malcolm that you're not even disputing. so what the hell?

Unless you can bring some written or video proof to support your position i am not going to argue with you about this anymore.

another lie, i am sure

but seriously, it's not like you're providing more proof that i am, so this is basically you being an angry dude on the internet demanding i meet some level of proof determined by you somehow to "win" the argument. miss me with that shit. either you debate or you don't, either you agree or you don't.

Can you answer the fucking question what race do you identify as ? me asking you what race you are has nothing to do with the argument that i am making i just want to know. My argument with you is me saying mal x never said he wanted integration you think he was moving toward it but you have no proof.

what are you observation about mal x? you have not laid them out but any way FUCK OBSERVATION where is the real proof observations are too subjective why should i dispute something you have no evidence of. where is the written material You are not debating anything based on anything. what are you saying that mal x was moving social toward integration. when mal x said he was not.

 

[zombie]

You know what @JANKLOW fuck it don't answer my post you are white and therefore you thoughts on mal x don't interest me for that matter nor do your thoughts on anything and for being to much of a pussy to answer my question i'm just going to out you on ignore you are not thought provoking enough for me to go on speaking to you

 

[Say What]

The thing that is funny is you have a short clip shot in what month? What were his speeches about after that? It was about denouncing what he learned in the NOI and promote more of the base of the religion because it had no color. He was still about Black people getting theirs but he also agreed all Whites were not the Devil. What about after his last trip to Africa?

Don't eliminate peoples opinion because of demographics because you Jamaican and views & understanding is different than a Black American.

 

[zombie]

The thing that is funny is you have a short clip shot in what month? What were his speeches about after that? It was about denouncing what he learned in the NOI and promote more of the base of the religion because it had no color. He was still about Black people getting theirs but he also agreed all Whites were not the Devil. What about after his last trip to Africa?

Don't eliminate peoples opinion because of demographics because you Jamaican and views & understanding is different than a Black American.

That video was taken after his trip to mecca by that time he had already joined real islam he rejected the religious teaching of the noi as regards the white man being THE DEVIL THE MOTHERSHIP and all that crazy shit the noi teaches.

but that still does not prove he wanted integration or that he had any respect or love for the north american white man and me being jamaican has nothing to do with what mal x believed. let me ask you where is the documentation that mal x wanted social integration and what source are you getting that from? this is not a matter of opinion it's about historical fact.

some people like twisting his image to make him less aggressive to white people and that's that house nigger bullshit and it is disgusting.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

We would not be starting from zero at this point if blacks not not foolishly given up everything they had, blacks owned alot more of their own before integration black had shit to pass on. You belive this lie that black had nothing before integration, but the NOI alone had schools, stores and farms and they were not the only ones.

At least half the white population only got here around or after the time of the civil war. The irish and the italian alone make up at least close to a quater of the entire white population This is not to mention the swedish and norwegians. Only 9% of america is british-american and they are the people who founded this country

all these white nationalities see themselves as americans because they have adopted the culture that is being created in america, they are brought into the american way of life because they are white people.

What are you talking about? You're starting to make up shit again. The average black person did not have much prior to integration. And they certainly didn't give up stuff because of integration. You're making it seem like the black community was this prosperous entity that abandoned it in favor of integration. That's nonsense. The average black person in those days still worked service oriented jobs e.g., nannies, sharecropping, maids, etc... The people that did have their own small businesses didn't just give them up in favor of integration. A lot of those little businesses still exist. If small black businesses were sold or bought out for some reason, it has nothing to do with integration because integration has nothing to do with giving up your business.

And the Civil War was approaching 200 years ago, so I'm not sure what your point there is anymore. As I said, whites have had a long time to build up their wealth where as in a lot of that time, blacks were all but prevented from doing the same.

 

[zombie]

We would not be starting from zero at this point if blacks not not foolishly given up everything they had, blacks owned alot more of their own before integration black had shit to pass on. You belive this lie that black had nothing before integration, but the NOI alone had schools, stores and farms and they were not the only ones.

At least half the white population only got here around or after the time of the civil war. The irish and the italian alone make up at least close to a quater of the entire white population This is not to mention the swedish and norwegians. Only 9% of america is british-american and they are the people who founded this country

all these white nationalities see themselves as americans because they have adopted the culture that is being created in america, they are brought into the american way of life because they are white people.

What are you talking about? You're starting to make up shit again. The average black person did not have much prior to integration. And they certainly didn't give up stuff because of integration. You're making it seem like the black community was this prosperous entity that abandoned it in favor of integration. That's nonsense. The average black person in those days still worked service oriented jobs e.g., nannies, sharecropping, maids, etc... The people that did have their own small businesses didn't just give them up in favor of integration. A lot of those little businesses still exist. If small black businesses were sold or bought out for some reason, it has nothing to do with integration because integration has nothing to do with giving up your business.

And the Civil War was approaching 200 years ago, so I'm not sure what your point there is anymore. As I said, whites have had a long time to build up their wealth where as in a lot of that time, blacks were all but prevented from doing the same.

The average black person may not have had alot but as a community black people had more wealth, now we have less WEALTH and more money, blacks lost many of the black owned businesses after integration and i already told you how. A large percentage of white people are still relatively new their families have not had hundreds of years to build up anything.

200 years seems long but white people have been on this continent for since 1580's and started building there wealth then. If a white family only got here around 200 years ago then that if fucking recent that is only a few generations. granted we were enslaved during much of america's history but after slavery blacks in america did manage to gain a certain level of wealth then came integration and niggas said fuck it and we stopped supporting our own. I am not saying this happened by conscious effort just that integration set up the situations to make this happen.

I have nothing up and i am not the only one who knows the damage integration has done to the black race in america. you are blind

 

[Say What]

"Malcolm X Speaks" talks about when his trip to Africa and interaction with Whites

In his Autobiography he stated he rearranged how he felt about race

"A Life of Reinvention Malcolm X- Manning Marable also discuss how similar ideas

Your nationality can change you prospective just like it the person was white their perspective would be different.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

We would not be starting from zero at this point if blacks not not foolishly given up everything they had, blacks owned alot more of their own before integration black had shit to pass on. You belive this lie that black had nothing before integration, but the NOI alone had schools, stores and farms and they were not the only ones.

At least half the white population only got here around or after the time of the civil war. The irish and the italian alone make up at least close to a quater of the entire white population This is not to mention the swedish and norwegians. Only 9% of america is british-american and they are the people who founded this country

all these white nationalities see themselves as americans because they have adopted the culture that is being created in america, they are brought into the american way of life because they are white people.

What are you talking about? You're starting to make up shit again. The average black person did not have much prior to integration. And they certainly didn't give up stuff because of integration. You're making it seem like the black community was this prosperous entity that abandoned it in favor of integration. That's nonsense. The average black person in those days still worked service oriented jobs e.g., nannies, sharecropping, maids, etc... The people that did have their own small businesses didn't just give them up in favor of integration. A lot of those little businesses still exist. If small black businesses were sold or bought out for some reason, it has nothing to do with integration because integration has nothing to do with giving up your business.

And the Civil War was approaching 200 years ago, so I'm not sure what your point there is anymore. As I said, whites have had a long time to build up their wealth where as in a lot of that time, blacks were all but prevented from doing the same.

The average black person may not have had alot but as a community black people had more wealth, now we have less WEALTH and more money, blacks lost many of the black owned businesses after integration and i already told you how. A large percentage of white people are still relatively new their families have not had hundreds of years to build up anything.

200 years seems long but white people have been on this continent for since 1580's and started building there wealth then. If a white family only got here around 200 years ago then that if fucking recent that is only a few generations. granted we were enslaved during much of america's history but after slavery blacks in america did manage to gain a certain level of wealth then came integration and niggas said fuck it and we stopped supporting our own. I am not saying this happened by conscious effort just that integration set up the situations to make this happen.

I have nothing up and i am not the only one who knows the damage integration has done to the black race in america. you are blind

I think we're arguing two different points here. We both agree that the black community has been hurt because of a lack of unity and community building. Where we differ is that you believe that integration intrinsically leads to that, and integration is to blame for our woes. My stance is that integration is not to blame. It is something that was necessary in many ways. We are to blame because we dropped the ball. You can blame integration, but if people were so eager to turn tail, run, and do their own thing as soon as they got a little wealth, they would have done that with or without integration. The fault is always with the people because the people make the decisions. The same way jews, asians, and other communities make money off the greater american infrastructure and funnel it into their own communities, we could do that too. We just don't, and that's on us not integration.

 

[zombie]

"Malcolm X Speaks" talks about when his trip to Africa and interaction with Whites

In his Autobiography he stated he rearranged how he felt about race

"A Life of Reinvention Malcolm X- Manning Marable also discuss how similar ideas

Your nationality can change you prospective just like it the person was white their perspective would be different.

Malcom x rearranging his thoughts i admitted too but he neverarranged them toward social integration WHICH IS MY POINT. Manning marable is the same man who claimed malcom x had a homosexual relationship with a white man. GTFOH you better get a better source about mal x. Nationality cannot change what is documented.

 

[zombie]

We would not be starting from zero at this point if blacks not not foolishly given up everything they had, blacks owned alot more of their own before integration black had shit to pass on. You belive this lie that black had nothing before integration, but the NOI alone had schools, stores and farms and they were not the only ones.

At least half the white population only got here around or after the time of the civil war. The irish and the italian alone make up at least close to a quater of the entire white population This is not to mention the swedish and norwegians. Only 9% of america is british-american and they are the people who founded this country

all these white nationalities see themselves as americans because they have adopted the culture that is being created in america, they are brought into the american way of life because they are white people.

What are you talking about? You're starting to make up shit again. The average black person did not have much prior to integration. And they certainly didn't give up stuff because of integration. You're making it seem like the black community was this prosperous entity that abandoned it in favor of integration. That's nonsense. The average black person in those days still worked service oriented jobs e.g., nannies, sharecropping, maids, etc... The people that did have their own small businesses didn't just give them up in favor of integration. A lot of those little businesses still exist. If small black businesses were sold or bought out for some reason, it has nothing to do with integration because integration has nothing to do with giving up your business.

And the Civil War was approaching 200 years ago, so I'm not sure what your point there is anymore. As I said, whites have had a long time to build up their wealth where as in a lot of that time, blacks were all but prevented from doing the same.

The average black person may not have had alot but as a community black people had more wealth, now we have less WEALTH and more money, blacks lost many of the black owned businesses after integration and i already told you how. A large percentage of white people are still relatively new their families have not had hundreds of years to build up anything.

200 years seems long but white people have been on this continent for since 1580's and started building there wealth then. If a white family only got here around 200 years ago then that if fucking recent that is only a few generations. granted we were enslaved during much of america's history but after slavery blacks in america did manage to gain a certain level of wealth then came integration and niggas said fuck it and we stopped supporting our own. I am not saying this happened by conscious effort just that integration set up the situations to make this happen.

I have nothing up and i am not the only one who knows the damage integration has done to the black race in america. you are blind

I think we're arguing two different points here. We both agree that the black community has been hurt because of a lack of unity and community building. Where we differ is that you believe that integration intrinsically leads to that, and integration is to blame for our woes. My stance is that integration is not to blame. It is something that was necessary in many ways. We are to blame because we dropped the ball. You can blame integration, but if people were so eager to turn tail, run, and do their own thing as soon as they got a little wealth, they would have done that with or without integration. The fault is always with the people because the people make the decisions. The same way jews, asians, and other communities make money off the greater american infrastructure and funnel it into their own communities, we could do that too. We just don't, and that's on us not integration.

I now understand your opinion i somewhat agree but i also disagree. ultimately it is our fault because we allowed it to happen but people follow their belly before their heads and i think that's what happened in america. before integration rich black had no place to go they had to stay in the black community. jews and asians have stronger cultural bonds to each other so it was harder for to be broken up. In our community it was easier to economically divide and conquer. and that is all i have to say on the subject.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I now understand your opinion i somewhat agree but i also disagree. ultimately it is our fault because we allowed it to happen but people follow their belly before their heads and i think that's what happened in america. before integration rich black had no place to go they had to stay in the black community. jews and asians have stronger cultural bonds to each other so it was harder for to be broken up. In our community it was easier to economically divide and conquer. and that is all i have to say on the subject.

Yeah, I agree with all of that. That's why it was unfortunate that leaders like MLK and Malcolm were killed off when and the way they were. Especially given the subject of the thread. I think had MLK lived, after integration, he probably would have switched gears to focus more on career building and the people would have followed him.

 

[Say What]

I gave a few sources that gave similar information. Dude could have been a closet case you don't know that either but from you previous post about gays I understand your discontent. Personally I don't care. MLKj was a preacher banging random chicks. I take is as a possibility of something that could have happened but no one else put it together so idk.

Facts are universal until they are not. You read and see one thing I see another

 

[zombie]

I gave a few sources that gave similar information. Dude could have been a closet case you don't know that either but from you previous post about gays I understand your discontent. Personally I don't care. MLKj was a preacher banging random chicks. I take is as a possibility of something that could have happened but no one else put it together so idk.

Facts are universal until they are not. You read and see one thing I see another

the difference is the fbi had real documented proof that mlk was fucking white women and there is no proof that mal x was a faggot and their is no proof that he wanted social integration either. facts are not a matter of opinion and your sources are bullshit.
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/20/13557...ses-controversial-claims-in-new-bio-on-father

 

[Say What]

I don't think she was there either. I never said the gay shit was a fact but he did go away from the other stuff. Neither of us have sufficient evidence to convince or disprove each other so we can stop running in this circle but I enjoyed the conversation.