"I Fear I May Have Integrated My People Into a Burning House" - Martin Luther King Jr.

[zombie]

I don't think she was there either. I never said the gay shit was a fact but he did go away from the other stuff. Neither of us have sufficient evidence to convince or disprove each other so we can stop running in this circle but I enjoyed the conversation.

the video i dropped is enough proof and you don't have a better source and like his daughter said the autobio is faulty and is not the book that mal x wanted published, his family has the original manuscript and the other book is pure bullshit. You don't want to admit you are wrong which is the sign of a defeated person. he moved away from other stuff but never moved toward integration. Get that through you head and stop spreading lies.

 

[professor x]

 

[janklow]

Can you answer the fucking question what race do you identify as ? me asking you what race you are has nothing to do with the argument-

if it has nothing to do with the argument, why are you asking me as part of your argument? could it be that you're simply lying on this point?

what are you observation about mal x?

literally posted them two posts prior. AGAIN. but it's not like you're going to suddenly read them if it comes up a third time, right?

where is the real proof observations are too subjective

what part of "he got fucking shot so obviously we can't know where things were headed with 100% certainty" is that challenging to understand?

You know what @JANKLOW fuck it don't answer my post you are white and therefore you thoughts on mal x don't interest me for that matter nor do your thoughts on anything

but it had nothing to do with the argument, right?

see, that's why i won't answer the question. but now you're outed yourself as a combination of a liar and a shitty poster. well done!

Manning marable is the same man who claimed malcom x had a homosexual relationship with a white man. GTFOH you better get a better source about mal x. Nationality cannot change what is documented.

remember, guys, an exhaustively researched and well-sourced book can be dismissed because it hurt zombie's feelings

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

http://www.mywalkwithfarrakhan.com/2010/11/gaining-complete-view-of-martin-luther.html

Elijah Muhammad recounting his meeting with Martin Luther King said the following:

"When Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. talked with me at my home, I saw in him that he wanted to believe me; but, he was so afraid of his enemies. Self first, you cannot serve two masters. I tried my best to put fearlessness in him. Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. admitted to me that I am teaching right. He admitted that the white man is the devil, but he was afraid to take a stand and preach that the white man is the devil... If Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. had lasted to this day he would have been in the same corner with me. The devil had Rev. Martin Luther King,Jr. in his power through fear. But good hearted Black Brother, Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. had a good heart"

Why would someone fight for something they don't believe in?

Why would someone fight for something they believe will be detrimental/destructive for those they are supposedly fighting for?

 

[kingblaze84]

http://www.mywalkwithfarrakhan.com/2010/11/gaining-complete-view-of-martin-luther.html

Elijah Muhammad recounting his meeting with Martin Luther King said the following:

"When Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. talked with me at my home, I saw in him that he wanted to believe me; but, he was so afraid of his enemies. Self first, you cannot serve two masters. I tried my best to put fearlessness in him. Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. admitted to me that I am teaching right. He admitted that the white man is the devil, but he was afraid to take a stand and preach that the white man is the devil... If Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. had lasted to this day he would have been in the same corner with me. The devil had Rev. Martin Luther King,Jr. in his power through fear. But good hearted Black Brother, Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. had a good heart"

Why would someone fight for something they don't believe in?

Why would someone fight for something they believe will be detrimental/destructive for those they are supposedly fighting for?

Good point

 

[Say What]

http://www.mywalkwithfarrakhan.com/2010/11/gaining-complete-view-of-martin-luther.html

Elijah Muhammad recounting his meeting with Martin Luther King said the following:

"When Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. talked with me at my home, I saw in him that he wanted to believe me; but, he was so afraid of his enemies. Self first, you cannot serve two masters. I tried my best to put fearlessness in him. Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. admitted to me that I am teaching right. He admitted that the white man is the devil, but he was afraid to take a stand and preach that the white man is the devil... If Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. had lasted to this day he would have been in the same corner with me. The devil had Rev. Martin Luther King,Jr. in his power through fear. But good hearted Black Brother, Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. had a good heart"

Why would someone fight for something they don't believe in?

Why would someone fight for something they believe will be detrimental/destructive for those they are supposedly fighting for?

Not a major dis but he is a known lair. He manipulated many situations to help himself even if it harmed his cause. i'm happy for the people he helped but I don't believe anything he says.

 

[zombie]

Integration was allowed to happen because it served the economic and political interest of rich white people which is the same reason why feminism was allowed to happen.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

this thread=misinformation

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Integration was allowed to happen because it served the economic and political interest of rich white people which is the same reason why feminism was allowed to happen.

This is probably true, but it should also be pointed out that slavery and segregation were instituted for the same reasons.

That's why poor white people are without a doubt the dumbest people in the world. They hate minorities and have no idea that it's the rich members of their own race that do them the worst.

 

[poindexter2]

Integration was the worst thing that happened to the Black race in amerikkka. When we our ancestors were marching for civil rights we should have been marching for sovereignty. Our ancestors had all of the skill sets to make it on our own. We should have been taking our skills and migrating to other countries with other AfriKans and giving to them tools to succeed. Building economic systems in other areas in the world. Imagine hundreds of thousands of black wall streets in AfriKa, the carribean, brazil etc. But we let something as trivial as different bathrooms and water fountains and sitting on the back of the bus become the black agenda. The amerikkka south would a the equivalent to a 3rd world country right now if it wasn't for the Black man's hands. Blacks need to come to the realization that no matter what we achieve, how much money we make, in this system of racism-white supremacy, they will never accept us as equals.And we shouldn't strive to be their equals, we have to rise above the beast that is the white man.

 

[poindexter2]

this thread=misinformation

Well give us the accurate account professor

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

this was a great thread damn the site needs more threads like this...

 

[Wild Self]

A great article I read online on the destructive effect integration has had on Blacks........here are just some snippets of it....integration has done more harm then good for Blacks.....
http://www.thinkaboutit-knowaboutit.com/2013/06/did-integration-hurt-black-america.html

Though the Civil Rights Act officially ended legal discrimination, black people continued to face inequality and they were still oppressed. Worse, the black community was fracturing as it rapidly changed from a tight-knit and self-sustaining community to a community that was increasingly coming to rely on white grace. Middle-class black business owners established their own communities, leaving their lower-class brothers and sisters behind. To this day, middle class black Americans and poor black Americans remain separated from each other.

Look at the current state of black America. It is no longer unified as it was under segregation. This is because segregation forced blacks to sink or swim, and they swam by establishing their own self-sustained community.

After segregation ended, black restaurants, theaters, insurance companies, banks, etc. disappeared, and hard economic times destroyed black neighborhoods that had previously flourished. An economic vacuum ensued and jobs were scarce. Coupled with the power vacuum that occurred when black civil rights leaders were killed and subsequent black power movements were destroyed, black America found itself in the midst of a lack of leadership, drugs, gang violence, extreme poverty, and desperation.

But hey, at least America was integrated.

Today, black people spend 95% of their money at white businesses. Black businesses are owned by white enterprises. Though there are some cities that contain black businesses and institutions (most notably Atlanta), millions of black people are still suffering under the conditions that led to the deterioration of black America.

Integration seemed promising, and it did indeed afford blacks many basic human rights. But integration was a promise that failed. It failed to end racism, it failed to end discrimination, and it failed to uplift the black community as a whole. And to this day, blacks and whites still segregate themselves from each other anyway.

So forced segregation against your own will is the solution? It must come out of understanding and love out of your own people. Let black folk make their own choice, especially in the globalized 21st century.

they could have reformed the system not integrate the system, was forced integration the answer to the racial problems in america? i think not. It made the usa a friendlier place to live for black people but in the process blacks lost the only thing that counts in this society economic power aka freedom. Now we have more opportunity but we end up working for other people. Black people have been mis- educated and under-edcuated and therefore do not make good economic choices. That fact is clear and obvious when you look at the numbers. African americans SPENDING POWER will reach 1.1 trillion dollars by 2015 yet blacks are still poor had they reformed segregation then at least half of that money could have been poured into the black community.

In that theory, black folk would have thrived in segregation times. Not just Black Wall Street Tulsa, but all over. I Was saying that the freedom of CHOICE was what people wanted. Some places still remained segregated throughout the 70s-90s, too. Sometimes, you ahve to force progression on a social standard, cause all the other countries were passing us at that time period in race equality.

Did you know that the Jim Crow Laws gave birth to Hitler regime in Europe? Yeah, that segregation shit planted the seeds that nearly wiped out mankind. Hitler learned from Jim Crow and he nearly did it.

 

[white715]

What you don't understand is there is no such thing as seperate but equal. Black people had second class education, healthcare, and housing. In a lot of places they couldn't even see the doctor or dentist they had to go to the vet. So this fairytale of blacks having it so good before intergration is wrong.

SMH at yall still falling for the Martin vs. Malcolm okeydoke, yall negroes are well trained.

 

[ptnutz]

Maybe he was lamenting the fact that we put too much emphasis on "acceptance" and not enough on equality. And I don't think he was talking about putting out the fire on "massa's house" as much as he was fearing us entering that burning house in the first place.

 

[REV_RAGE]

Really Dr. MLKjr, do you think so, I do too.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Maybe he was lamenting the fact that we put too much emphasis on "acceptance" and not enough on equality. And I don't think he was talking about putting out the fire on "massa's house" as much as he was fearing us entering that burning house in the first place.

1. Would you continue to fight, speak, or demonstrate for something you're lamenting over?

2. Would you lead your family into a building you saw was burning or would you turn into the fireman (especially knowing that buildings systems are specifically designed to exploit/destroy you?

 

[GSonII]

Nice ceremonies today to celebrate the speech

 

[white715]

Maybe he was lamenting the fact that we put too much emphasis on "acceptance" and not enough on equality. And I don't think he was talking about putting out the fire on "massa's house" as much as he was fearing us entering that burning house in the first place.

1. Would you continue to fight, speak, or demonstrate for something you're lamenting over?

2. Would you lead your family into a building you saw was burning or would you turn into the fireman (especially knowing that buildings systems are specifically designed to exploit/destroy you?

So your saying that MLK wanted to harm black people? That he intentionally spent his life and gave his life to make black peoples lives worse?

 

[A1000MILES]

This is a great thread...