"I Fear I May Have Integrated My People Into a Burning House" - Martin Luther King Jr.

[The Lonious Monk]

Understand this i may not know the AA psyche but i can analyze your actions and your actions lead me to believe certain things: despite the bitching and crying you guys do about america you fundamentally trust this nation and believe in it's system, that is the reason why you march protest and scream no justice no peace when in reality you almost never get justice and you still keep the peace.

First of all, this is just silly. Yeah, AAs work within the system, and in doing so have won victories. You want to make it seem like all we take is losses, and that's not true. Yeah, America still isn't fair, but acting like no progress has been made is just dumb. And what would you like us to do? Tool up and start shooting white people everytime something doesn't go our way? This ain't Haiti or Jamaica where black people outnumber whites. At our best we were only 18% of the nation. Exactly how long would we last if we went that route? Again, people love bringing up Black Wallstreet. That was a town full of powerful black people and they fought back, and got bombed into oblivion. With that being the case, why would anyone with any sense think that approach is the best one for us to take?

also AA'S DO believe that they can make it in america, i don't know what kind of loser african americans you know but most i have come across that did not live in the hood, bleed red white and blue. judging by the history of this nation you guys begged the whites to let you sign up and die for this nations wars you pushed the whites for integration , they did not what to integrate with you and many of you foolishly died for that too. so despite the crying about america you do you still believe this government cares about you.

WTF? The whole point is that a disproportionate amount of AAs and live in poverty, and those are the ones that don't believe you can make it and keep falling into same traps. Of course people who have actually made in America don't believe it's impossible. That said, you're going to far in saying that people like that "bleed Red, White, and Blue." Some of those people are the most critical of America because they are the ones that expect to get treated differently and are extra pissed when they aren't. As for the rest of what you said in this part. It's nonsense. Our people fought for certain rights. We have those rights. A lot of people have made good use of those rights. Not everyone has or even has been given a good opportunity. That doesn't mean what those people fought for is a failure. It just means the fight is not over.

Lol @ JEWS being integrated with black people, the jews as a collective are not integrated with blacks in much the same way that the rich are not integrated with the poor. The fact that they run shit should let our blacks asses know this, but the veil of integration has blinded you niggas. we live in two very different world that co-exist next to each other but we are far from one integrated whole. this government does not see us as the same,You think the average jewish family faces the same thing as a black one? you think jewish women have the same issues ? hell no.

When did I say the Jews were integrated with black people. I said the Jews were integrated into this country. Again, you're acting like to be integrated means that everyone's been mashing into one group where all subcultures have been muddled into nothingness. That's a false perception. Some of the problems faced by our groups are the same. Some are different. That doesn't mean one group is integrated and the other isn't. Not all black people face the same exact problems. However, just because one black doesn't face some of the problems that another black does, doesn't mean they aren't part of the same larger community.

like i said earlier most AA'S have no clue about their culture beyond eating soul food and playing r&b. Your idea of integration is increased economic opportunity not increase economic power black integration stops at economic power and political power. blacks are integrated on the level of servants and buyers but we don't control anything.

No group gets power in america by kissing ass they get it on a base of ethnocentrism in other words fuck you pay me it's all about my people. integration has turned blacks minds away from that.

What is our culture? We've been in this country for centuries. Our culture is here. Yes, it has it's roots in Africa and I admit that a lot of AA's don't know as much about Africa and other parts of the African diaspora as we should. That should be changed. But it's annoying when people act like AAs don't know their culture or have no culture because we're detached from Africa. The fact of the matter is we've built a culture here, and it's strong enough that everyone else tries to bite from it.

Also, this nonsense that you keep pushing about kissing ass is annoying. When did AAs kiss ass? You think marching and standing up to attack after attack and coming back and still pushing your agenda is kissing ass or begging? Fuck is wrong with people that say that dumb shit? It takes a hell of a lot more courage to face bodily harm and death every day with no weapon other than your principles than it does to tool up and do some stupid shit. Again, I'm not sure what you expected them to do. You wanted AAs to rise up and start some kind of war, and that's stupid. Had we done that, we' be like the Native Americans are now or worse. White people have exterminated more than one race on this planet. What would you have said if we had gone that way? "Damn, those AA's were really fierce. It's too bad they no longer exist." How exactly would that have been the right or even a good thing for us?

 

[zombie]

Understand this i may not know the AA psyche but i can analyze your actions and your actions lead me to believe certain things: despite the bitching and crying you guys do about america you fundamentally trust this nation and believe in it's system, that is the reason why you march protest and scream no justice no peace when in reality you almost never get justice and you still keep the peace.

First of all, this is just silly. Yeah, AAs work within the system, and in doing so have won victories. You want to make it seem like all we take is losses, and that's not true. Yeah, America still isn't fair, but acting like no progress has been made is just dumb. And what would you like us to do? Tool up and start shooting white people everytime something doesn't go our way? This ain't Haiti or Jamaica where black people outnumber whites. At our best we were only 18% of the nation. Exactly how long would we last if we went that route? Again, people love bringing up Black Wallstreet. That was a town full of powerful black people and they fought back, and got bombed into oblivion. With that being the case, why would anyone with any sense think that approach is the best one for us to take?

also AA'S DO believe that they can make it in america, i don't know what kind of loser african americans you know but most i have come across that did not live in the hood, bleed red white and blue. judging by the history of this nation you guys begged the whites to let you sign up and die for this nations wars you pushed the whites for integration , they did not what to integrate with you and many of you foolishly died for that too. so despite the crying about america you do you still believe this government cares about you.

WTF? The whole point is that a disproportionate amount of AAs and live in poverty, and those are the ones that don't believe you can make it and keep falling into same traps. Of course people who have actually made in America don't believe it's impossible. That said, you're going to far in saying that people like that "bleed Red, White, and Blue." Some of those people are the most critical of America because they are the ones that expect to get treated differently and are extra pissed when they aren't. As for the rest of what you said in this part. It's nonsense. Our people fought for certain rights. We have those rights. A lot of people have made good use of those rights. Not everyone has or even has been given a good opportunity. That doesn't mean what those people fought for is a failure. It just means the fight is not over.

Lol @ JEWS being integrated with black people, the jews as a collective are not integrated with blacks in much the same way that the rich are not integrated with the poor. The fact that they run shit should let our blacks asses know this, but the veil of integration has blinded you niggas. we live in two very different world that co-exist next to each other but we are far from one integrated whole. this government does not see us as the same,You think the average jewish family faces the same thing as a black one? you think jewish women have the same issues ? hell no.

When did I say the Jews were integrated with black people. I said the Jews were integrated into this country. Again, you're acting like to be integrated means that everyone's been mashing into one group where all subcultures have been muddled into nothingness. That's a false perception. Some of the problems faced by our groups are the same. Some are different. That doesn't mean one group is integrated and the other isn't. Not all black people face the same exact problems. However, just because one black doesn't face some of the problems that another black does, doesn't mean they aren't part of the same larger community.

like i said earlier most AA'S have no clue about their culture beyond eating soul food and playing r&b. Your idea of integration is increased economic opportunity not increase economic power black integration stops at economic power and political power. blacks are integrated on the level of servants and buyers but we don't control anything.

No group gets power in america by kissing ass they get it on a base of ethnocentrism in other words fuck you pay me it's all about my people. integration has turned blacks minds away from that.

What is our culture? We've been in this country for centuries. Our culture is here. Yes, it has it's roots in Africa and I admit that a lot of AA's don't know as much about Africa and other parts of the African diaspora as we should. That should be changed. But it's annoying when people act like AAs don't know their culture or have no culture because we're detached from Africa. The fact of the matter is we've built a culture here, and it's strong enough that everyone else tries to bite from it.

Also, this nonsense that you keep pushing about kissing ass is annoying. When did AAs kiss ass? You think marching and standing up to attack after attack and coming back and still pushing your agenda is kissing ass or begging? Fuck is wrong with people that say that dumb shit? It takes a hell of a lot more courage to face bodily harm and death every day with no weapon other than your principles than it does to tool up and do some stupid shit. Again, I'm not sure what you expected them to do. You wanted AAs to rise up and start some kind of war, and that's stupid. Had we done that, we' be like the Native Americans are now or worse. White people have exterminated more than one race on this planet. What would you have said if we had gone that way? "Damn, those AA's were really fierce. It's too bad they no longer exist." How exactly would that have been the right or even a good thing for us?

So AA'S BEGGING to loin the us military during ww1 and ww2 is not ass kissing begging to integrate into a system that hated you is not ass kissing? You faced bodily harm and death for what so that you could use the same bathroom with white people and go to their schools where you would be miseducated/uneducated and in the process you gave up on your own economic infrastructure.The bolded is total nonsense and i never implied any of it

And i also never implied that AA'S DON'T HAVE any culture, i was trying to say that most of you don't know what it is most americans period don't know anything about their history or culture. If black people were integrated into the system we would be treated the same by the system but we are not, but you think you are and no matter how it is shown to you that america will only keep you in third class you keep holding on to an abusive relationship. The jews are only integrated at the social level but as a collective economically and politically MOST jews live on another planet.

You seem to be an eternal optimist you think america is going to change LOL AND THAT the fight is not over but what are you fighting for??? more rights. you have all the rights the government can give but the people who make up this system don't respect you because you have no power so these rights are ignored and to make it worse they are trying to strip you of them. Meanwhile other groups of people are getting things together and getting rich exploiting you.

 

[zombie]

And to all the Blacks that defend integration, has it reduced the animosity many Whites still have for Blacks? NOPE, it just pushed it underground. Not all Whites are bad but too many don't want us around and vice versa. Trayvon Martin's murder, the killing of MLK Jr, the struggling state of Black businesses now, and the never ending racism from the criminal justice system proves Blacks and Whites living integrated has done more harm then good for Blacks. I will NEVER live in a mostly White neighborhood and though I work in a mostly Jewish, White area, it brings me great comfort knowing I will come home to a mostly Black area, an area filled mostly with educated Africans who tend to look out for one another.

I can never understand the Blacks who purposefully wana live in a mostly White area. Why move closer and want to be closer to people who have shown over and over again a hatred for you?

Mainly because the majority don't hate us. If im not getting spit on just cause thats a reduction in animosity. I don't care what someone says to themselves as long as they don't express it to me. No one makes you interact with anyone. Purchase some property and live happy. Tray had nothing to do with White people it was the perception of Black males. Its not all our fault but we don't help ourselves much either. The CJS is against poor people. They have no color. White collar takes millions get very limited time to to a redneck that robs a gas station. I'm the first to admit I didn't like being the only Black family in a neighborhood but it was better than living in the hood of Little Rock. Right now it seems like other Black people are showing other Blacks their hatred over and over

You really believe this don't you? i don't know what to say man

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So AA'S BEGGING to loin the us military during ww1 and ww2 is not ass kissing begging to integrate into a system that hated you is not ass kissing? You faced bodily harm and death for what so that you could use the same bathroom with white people and go to their schools where you would be miseducated/uneducated and in the process you gave up on your own economic infrastructure.The bolded is total nonsense and i never implied any of it

This post just wreaks of ignorance. No, it wasn't just about being able to used the same bathrooms, although that was part of it. It was about being able to tap into the same resources and make use of the same infrastructure that was available to whites. See people like you have no idea about the history of this country, so you want to come in here with your surface knowledge and making sweeping generalizations.

In the past, if a white woman accused a black man of raping her, mobs of white people would basically burn down black neighborhoods until they found the supposed culprit. Then they would beat, burn, and hang that person and stand around for a nice picture. That was acceptable behavior because even the law labelled blacks as subhuman. People fought, bled, and died so shit like that couldn't happen anymore. And it hasn't. Is the system perfect now? No. Do blacks always get justice? Hell no. But can white people still just do whatever they want without any fear of punishment at all? No. White hoes are still out here lying on black men to cover their own bad behavior/crimes. But unlike the past where no one would even question whether it was true or not, more often than not, the chicks are being investigated and exposed as liars. That's progress. That's change. And that is a result of the efforts of the people who took part in the Civil Rights movement, and if you actually looked and observed, you'd see that there are a lot more examples of ways we've benefited from the efforts of those people.

What's crazy to me is that you've said you came to America to use America. How are you doing that? Have you gone to a big time school to get an education and add legitimacy to your resume? Have you gotten a big time job that you're using to save money so that you can go back home and make moves? What are you doing here? I'm betting there is a good chance that whatever you're doing, you're making use of some of the things won for us through the efforts of the people behind the Civil Rights movement. Yet, you're getting on here insulting them and bashing the work they did. That's ridiculous and disgusting.

And i also never implied that AA'S DON'T HAVE any culture, i was trying to say that most of you don't know what it is most americans period don't know anything about their history or culture. If black people were integrated into the system we would be treated the same by the system but we are not, but you think you are and no matter how it is shown to you that america will only keep you in third class you keep holding on to an abusive relationship. The jews are only integrated at the social level but as a collective economically and politically MOST jews live on another planet.

You keep saying this dumb shit. Very few black people in this country actually think we are treated the same or can expect the same treatment. That's just silly. I mean seriously, that's ludicrous. And yes, in an ideal world, everyone would be treated fairly, but this world isn't ideal. People are discriminated against in various circumstances because of gender, religion, sexual preference, appearance, age, disability, etc... It's not just race, so by your argument nobody is really integrated in America, because it's possible under the right circumstances just about anybody could be denied a fair shake. And how in the world do Jews live on another planet economically? They make their money from America and therefore depend on America for their livelihood. They pay their American taxes, buy their American property, and use American retail outlets to buy their goods and services. Where exactly are they isolated from America economically? It's not like they are illegal Mexicans here not paying taxes and sending half their wages back to Mexico. Aside from the money that some Jews send to Israel, most of their economic transactions begin and end in the US.

You seem to be an eternal optimist you think america is going to change LOL AND THAT the fight is not over but what are you fighting for??? more rights. you have all the rights the government can give but the people who make up this system don't respect you because you have no power so these rights are ignored and to make it worse they are trying to strip you of them. Meanwhile other groups of people are getting things together and getting rich exploiting you.

I'm not an optimist. I'm just not blind to facts. Shit is better now for blacks in general than they were 50 years ago. That's a fact. Things aren't as good as they could have been and probably would have been better if the community's drive for improvement hadn't derailed after integration. But that's just my speculation. And the fight is over as far as getting our rights. What we need to do now is recapture the community unity we gave up, invest back in our communities, build more businesses to support our own interests instead of relying on others for that, figure out a way to police ourselves so we don't need the corrupt police to clean up our communities, and consolidate our buying power in a way similar to other communities so that the rest of the country has to take us more seriously. However, none of that would have been possible if we were still considered second class citizens.

 

[zombie]

@theloniousmonk

I know integration was meant to be more than just using white people amenities but at the end of the day that is all it amounted too. you never got to really tap those resources integration was supposed to let you tap. i took african america history in university i took enough of those classes i know alot of the history and fuck using white economic infrastructure you had your own.

Jews live on another planet economically because they are the owners, we are the buyers they use america and keep the money for themselves. money comes into the black community and leaves as soon as it gets here. AA's may not think that they will be treated the same but you act like you will be, i say that because you rely on the government too much to fix your problems instead of fixing them yourselves.

I respect the people who fought in the civil rights movement never once have i disrespected them but what they did was was not enough and the generation after them believed too much in america. How am i using america? i got my education and started my own business made enough money so now i can chill and talk to you on this computer all day if i want too.

You make alot of leaps of logic and read things into my responses that i never intended, yeah shit is better now but only superficially. So now blacks can give white people their money and now mass lynching are uncommon. You just admitted that integration was derailed so why do you keep arguing with me? it failed to produce what it should have. How are blacks going to do the things you suggested, if since as individuals thanks to integration, it is more profitable not to, You can make more money in a mass market than you can in a niche market and too many upper class blacks think white mans ice is colder so i don't see them doing what you suggested at all. IT COULD be possible if more blacks thought like me unfortuntly most of my AFRICAN AMERICAN brethren think like you.

AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU GAVE UP MORE THAN YOU GAINED

 

[The Lonious Monk]

@theloniousmonk

I know integration was meant to be more than just using white people amenities but at the end of the day that is all it amounted too. you never got to really tap those resources integration was supposed to let you tap. i took african america history in university i took enough of those classes i know alot of the history and fuck using white economic infrastructure you had your own.

Jews live on another planet economically because they are the owners, we are the buyers they use america and keep the money for themselves. money comes into the black community and leaves as soon as it gets here. AA's may not think that they will be treated the same but you act like you will be, i say that because you rely on the government too much to fix your problems instead of fixing them yourselves.

I respect the people who fought in the civil rights movement never once have i disrespected them but what they did was was not enough and the generation after them believed too much in america. How am i using america? i got my education and started my own business made enough money so now i can chill and talk to you on this computer all day if i want too.

You make alot of leaps of logic and read things into my responses that i never intended, yeah shit is better now but only superficially. So now blacks can give white people their money and now mass lynching are uncommon. You just admitted that integration was derailed so why do you keep arguing with me? it failed to produce what it should have. How are blacks going to do the things you suggested, if since as individuals thanks to integration, it is more profitable not to, You can make more money in a mass market than you can in a niche market and too many upper class blacks think white mans ice is colder so i don't see them doing what you suggested at all. IT COULD be possible if more blacks thought like me unfortuntly most of my AFRICAN AMERICAN brethren think like you.

AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU GAVE UP MORE THAN YOU GAINED

I can't understand your stance. You've got dudes making 10s of millions of dollars off of sports now when they weren't even allowed to play those games before and then not allowed to be paid more or treated better than their white counterparts when they were.

You've got Oprah, a black woman, as one of the richest people in the country.

You've got blacks in high level government positions at every level when not too long ago, those positions were completely off limits for us.

You've got tons of blacks going to high level big named schools getting expertise and opportunities that were completely denied them.

You've got blacks regularly getting high level employment opportunities when most of those jobs were reserved for white males at one time.

You've got blacks being accepted for grants and other financial assistance to open their own business and start their own ventures, when before they could never have hoped to have been accepted for those things.

You've got a relatively strong black middle class, when before that was pretty much unheard of.

Blacks also don't have to worry about things like EMS services being denied them because priority is given to whites.

And even in the case of the justice system, it's much better than it was. Sure, a black man might have a hard time catching a fair break now, but it wasn't so long ago when that was all but impossible.

This idea that we haven't gained a lot as a result of the Civil Rights movement is ridiculous. And we are still gaining. I myself am working in a position and making a wage that would have been impossible a couple generations ago. Hell, by grandfather was one step away from slavery, so this idea of yours that we gave up a lot and received next to nothing is unbelievable nonsensical.

And yes, you are disrespecting the people who fought for civil rights. When you debase their efforts by saying they "begged" or "kissed ass," you're insulting them. And no, I agree with you, what they did was not enough. As I've said before, it was never suppose to be "The End." Somewhere along the line, we just dropped the ball and failed to take what they earned and advance it to the next level. That's on us later generations though, not them. And it's fucked up for you to keep blaming them for the shitty actions of more modern members of the community.

And congrats on your success in America, but as I pointed out, there is a good chance you may have never even been able to do that without their accomplishments. So why shit on those accomplishments? And what difference does it make where people make their money? That doesn't stifle the community. I can be a big time carpenter, and do most of my work for rich white people, if I then bring my money back and spend at black business, invest in black ventures, and donate to black charities I'll be doing my part to help build up the black community. Lots of well off blacks do those types of things, so what are you talking about? Honestly, it's becoming clear you're just running off at the mouth (or fingers as is the case). You're making all these wild and faulty accusations and assumptions. For instance, how do I think? You keep on slinging around this nonsense that AA's trust the government and the country and think we can get a fair shake. I don't think that, and I don't know anyone that does think like that. I do know for a fact that black life was better for my parents than it was for my grandparents. I know it was better for me than for my parents. I also believe it will be better for my daughter than it was for me. That's called progress. Everything out there points towards that progress being stead, slow, but still steady.

 

[zombie]

@theloniousmonk

I know integration was meant to be more than just using white people amenities but at the end of the day that is all it amounted too. you never got to really tap those resources integration was supposed to let you tap. i took african america history in university i took enough of those classes i know alot of the history and fuck using white economic infrastructure you had your own.

Jews live on another planet economically because they are the owners, we are the buyers they use america and keep the money for themselves. money comes into the black community and leaves as soon as it gets here. AA's may not think that they will be treated the same but you act like you will be, i say that because you rely on the government too much to fix your problems instead of fixing them yourselves.

I respect the people who fought in the civil rights movement never once have i disrespected them but what they did was was not enough and the generation after them believed too much in america. How am i using america? i got my education and started my own business made enough money so now i can chill and talk to you on this computer all day if i want too.

You make alot of leaps of logic and read things into my responses that i never intended, yeah shit is better now but only superficially. So now blacks can give white people their money and now mass lynching are uncommon. You just admitted that integration was derailed so why do you keep arguing with me? it failed to produce what it should have. How are blacks going to do the things you suggested, if since as individuals thanks to integration, it is more profitable not to, You can make more money in a mass market than you can in a niche market and too many upper class blacks think white mans ice is colder so i don't see them doing what you suggested at all. IT COULD be possible if more blacks thought like me unfortuntly most of my AFRICAN AMERICAN brethren think like you.

AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU GAVE UP MORE THAN YOU GAINED

I can't understand your stance. You've got dudes making 10s of millions of dollars off of sports now when they weren't even allowed to play those games before and then not allowed to be paid more or treated better than their white counterparts when they were.

You've got Oprah, a black woman, as one of the richest people in the country.

You've got blacks in high level government positions at every level when not too long ago, those positions were completely off limits for us.

You've got tons of blacks going to high level big named schools getting expertise and opportunities that were completely denied them.

You've got blacks regularly getting high level employment opportunities when most of those jobs were reserved for white males at one time.

You've got blacks being accepted for grants and other financial assistance to open their own business and start their own ventures, when before they could never have hoped to have been accepted for those things.

You've got a relatively strong black middle class, when before that was pretty much unheard of.



Blacks also don't have to worry about things like EMS services being denied them because priority is given to whites.

And even in the case of the justice system, it's much better than it was. Sure, a black man might have a hard time catching a fair break now, but it wasn't so long ago when that was all but impossible.

This idea that we haven't gained a lot as a result of the Civil Rights movement is ridiculous. And we are still gaining. I myself am working in a position and making a wage that would have been impossible a couple generations ago. Hell, by grandfather was one step away from slavery, so this idea of yours that we gave up a lot and received next to nothing is unbelievable nonsensical.

And yes, you are disrespecting the people who fought for civil rights. When you debase their efforts by saying they "begged" or "kissed ass," you're insulting them. And no, I agree with you, what they did was not enough. As I've said before, it was never suppose to be "The End." Somewhere along the line, we just dropped the ball and failed to take what they earned and advance it to the next level. That's on us later generations though, not them. And it's fucked up for you to keep blaming them for the shitty actions of more modern members of the community.

And congrats on your success in America, but as I pointed out, there is a good chance you may have never even been able to do that without their accomplishments. So why shit on those accomplishments? And what difference does it make where people make their money? That doesn't stifle the community. I can be a big time carpenter, and do most of my work for rich white people, if I then bring my money back and spend at black business, invest in black ventures, and donate to black charities I'll be doing my part to help build up the black community. Lots of well off blacks do those types of things, so what are you talking about? Honestly, it's becoming clear you're just running off at the mouth (or fingers as is the case). You're making all these wild and faulty accusations and assumptions. For instance, how do I think? You keep on slinging around this nonsense that AA's trust the government and the country and think we can get a fair shake. I don't think that, and I don't know anyone that does think like that. I do know for a fact that black life was better for my parents than it was for my grandparents. I know it was better for me than for my parents. I also believe it will be better for my daughter than it was for me. That's called progress. Everything out there points towards that progress being stead, slow, but still steady.

I am not impressed by a few rich black people as long as the community is poor we are all poor. Chris rock said that if bill gates woke up with oprah moeny he would shoot himself. blacks own less than 5 % of all firms in america. make up half the jail population. BLACKS ARE DOING BETTER now because we are not being spit on but we are underacheiving like a motherfucker.

We get pennies black should be doing much better and we would had integration not screwed our minds now agree there had to be changes in the system. there were positives with integretion but they came with alot of negatives and the negative outnumber the positives. @ the bolded you don't bring your money back into the community, because it often does not make economical sense. if you did bring the money to the community then the black dollar would circulate among black people. This is part of what i am saying what people think is going on and the reality do not match. If you did not trust the government you would take care of the community you come from and there would not be families that spent whole generations in housing projects and on welfare. as for the civil rights generation they did the best they could but i think the long term outcome was not as good as they thought it would have been.

You are deluded and not looking at reality most blacks are not in your situation.

 

[Say What]

@theloniousmonk

I know integration was meant to be more than just using white people amenities but at the end of the day that is all it amounted too. you never got to really tap those resources integration was supposed to let you tap. i took african america history in university i took enough of those classes i know alot of the history and fuck using white economic infrastructure you had your own.

Jews live on another planet economically because they are the owners, we are the buyers they use america and keep the money for themselves. money comes into the black community and leaves as soon as it gets here. AA's may not think that they will be treated the same but you act like you will be, i say that because you rely on the government too much to fix your problems instead of fixing them yourselves.

I respect the people who fought in the civil rights movement never once have i disrespected them but what they did was was not enough and the generation after them believed too much in america. How am i using america? i got my education and started my own business made enough money so now i can chill and talk to you on this computer all day if i want too.

You make alot of leaps of logic and read things into my responses that i never intended, yeah shit is better now but only superficially. So now blacks can give white people their money and now mass lynching are uncommon. You just admitted that integration was derailed so why do you keep arguing with me? it failed to produce what it should have. How are blacks going to do the things you suggested, if since as individuals thanks to integration, it is more profitable not to, You can make more money in a mass market than you can in a niche market and too many upper class blacks think white mans ice is colder so i don't see them doing what you suggested at all. IT COULD be possible if more blacks thought like me unfortuntly most of my AFRICAN AMERICAN brethren think like you.

AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU GAVE UP MORE THAN YOU GAINED

I can't understand your stance. You've got dudes making 10s of millions of dollars off of sports now when they weren't even allowed to play those games before and then not allowed to be paid more or treated better than their white counterparts when they were.

You've got Oprah, a black woman, as one of the richest people in the country.

You've got blacks in high level government positions at every level when not too long ago, those positions were completely off limits for us.

You've got tons of blacks going to high level big named schools getting expertise and opportunities that were completely denied them.

You've got blacks regularly getting high level employment opportunities when most of those jobs were reserved for white males at one time.

You've got blacks being accepted for grants and other financial assistance to open their own business and start their own ventures, when before they could never have hoped to have been accepted for those things.

You've got a relatively strong black middle class, when before that was pretty much unheard of.



Blacks also don't have to worry about things like EMS services being denied them because priority is given to whites.

And even in the case of the justice system, it's much better than it was. Sure, a black man might have a hard time catching a fair break now, but it wasn't so long ago when that was all but impossible.

This idea that we haven't gained a lot as a result of the Civil Rights movement is ridiculous. And we are still gaining. I myself am working in a position and making a wage that would have been impossible a couple generations ago. Hell, by grandfather was one step away from slavery, so this idea of yours that we gave up a lot and received next to nothing is unbelievable nonsensical.

And yes, you are disrespecting the people who fought for civil rights. When you debase their efforts by saying they "begged" or "kissed ass," you're insulting them. And no, I agree with you, what they did was not enough. As I've said before, it was never suppose to be "The End." Somewhere along the line, we just dropped the ball and failed to take what they earned and advance it to the next level. That's on us later generations though, not them. And it's fucked up for you to keep blaming them for the shitty actions of more modern members of the community.

And congrats on your success in America, but as I pointed out, there is a good chance you may have never even been able to do that without their accomplishments. So why shit on those accomplishments? And what difference does it make where people make their money? That doesn't stifle the community. I can be a big time carpenter, and do most of my work for rich white people, if I then bring my money back and spend at black business, invest in black ventures, and donate to black charities I'll be doing my part to help build up the black community. Lots of well off blacks do those types of things, so what are you talking about? Honestly, it's becoming clear you're just running off at the mouth (or fingers as is the case). You're making all these wild and faulty accusations and assumptions. For instance, how do I think? You keep on slinging around this nonsense that AA's trust the government and the country and think we can get a fair shake. I don't think that, and I don't know anyone that does think like that. I do know for a fact that black life was better for my parents than it was for my grandparents. I know it was better for me than for my parents. I also believe it will be better for my daughter than it was for me. That's called progress. Everything out there points towards that progress being stead, slow, but still steady.

I am not impressed by a few rich black people as long as the community is poor we are all poor. Chris rock said that if bill gates woke up with oprah moeny he would shoot himself. blacks own less than 5 % of all firms in america. make up half the jail population. BLACKS ARE DOING BETTER now because we are not being spit but we are underacheiving like a motherfucker.

We get pennies black should be doing much better and we would had integration not screwed our minds now agree there had to be changes in the system. there were positives with integretion but they came with alot of negatives and the negative outnumber the positives. @ the bolded you don't bring your money back into the community, because it often does not make economical sense. if you did bring the money to the community then the black dollar would circulate among black people. This is part of what i am saying what people think is going on and the reality do not match. If you did not trust the government you would take care of the community you come from and there would not be families that spent whole generations in housing projects and on welfare. as for the civil rights generation they did the best they could but i think the long term outcome was not as good as they thought it would have been.

You are deluded and not looking at reality most blacks are not in your situation.

If Oprah woke up with Chris Rock money she would do the same & he lives nice.

I don't expect you to say anything. I have my own thoughts and you have yours. I'm from a strong Black community and saw the division come in and it wasn't from outside races. I agree that in America that we should be doing better but our current position is because people are lazy and don't take advantage of the opportunities provided. Like you stated before you came to use the system. Everyone doesn't have that drive but its not always the white mans conspiracy.

Blacks fighting in wars wasn't coonery. They were defending there homes and families especially in WWII. Again you can believe what you want if it works for you.

 

[zombie]

@saywhat

LOL LOL LOL

You are funny. i never said anything about it being the whites fault i blame integration before integration blacks had hotels ,theaters, banks and much more. you gave that up for what?? now you have next to nothing compared to everyone else.

everything that happened to the black community in america was natural result of post integration economic forces. There were drugs in the black community before integration but they did not destroy THE COMMUNITY.

 

[Say What]

Who did we integrate with? I never said anything about drugs. it was more regular corruption. Drugs never destroyed a community its the violence that surrounds it. No one wants to go to an unsafe place. it pushes the customers out. I come from a place that was self sufficient as late as 2000. That is when I left. The constant violence surrounding the area hurt the business owners the most. Currently it is not as strong as it was but its there. Majority of the top 1% was white before integration and it is the same now. Some of it was integration but that also comes with a free enterprise system. Preintegration there was a lot of dirt poor and there are some now but there is more opportunity.

 

[zombie]

Who did we integrate with? Drugs never destroyed a community its the violence that surrounds it. No one wants to go to an unsafe place. it pushes the customers out. I come from a place that was self sufficient as late as 2000. That is when I left. The constant violence surrounding the area hurt the business owners the most. Currently it is not as strong as it was but its there. Majority of the top 1% was white before integration and it is the same now. Some of it was integration but that also comes with a free enterprise system. Preintegration there was a lot of dirt poor and there are some now but there is more opportunity.

I don't think you can have illegal drugs without violence there is more opportunity, but to do what? work for white people and jews. what integration should have done is create more opportunity for black people to work for black people

 

[Say What]

Before there wan't as much war between people. They didn't have RICO and whole crews wasn't falling leaving vacuums for people to fight over. Create something. If Bill Gates was Black he would still be rich. Don't blame dudes not working on that. I know plenty of Black people that provided a service and run their own business hiring Black men. Personally I don't care the race of my boss is as long as i'm paid well and respected. You want people to only buy from their race and it works to a degree but the market needs competition.

 

[janklow]

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?? moving away FROM the noi stance does not mean he wanted the kind of integration you are talking about.

still missing the point. but keep claiming Malcolm was no different than he was when he first became prominent in the NOI at the moment of his death

are you white or black or something else.

i guessed you missed it, but my point earlier was that if THIS is your argument, you don't have one.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I am not impressed by a few rich black people as long as the community is poor we are all poor. Chris rock said that if bill gates woke up with oprah moeny he would shoot himself. blacks own less than 5 % of all firms in america. make up half the jail population. BLACKS ARE DOING BETTER now because we are not being spit on but we are underacheiving like a motherfucker.

We get pennies black should be doing much better and we would had integration not screwed our minds now agree there had to be changes in the system. there were positives with integretion but they came with alot of negatives and the negative outnumber the positives. @ the bolded you don't bring your money back into the community, because it often does not make economical sense. if you did bring the money to the community then the black dollar would circulate among black people. This is part of what i am saying what people think is going on and the reality do not match. If you did not trust the government you would take care of the community you come from and there would not be families that spent whole generations in housing projects and on welfare. as for the civil rights generation they did the best they could but i think the long term outcome was not as good as they thought it would have been.

You are deluded and not looking at reality most blacks are not in your situation.

Yep, focus on the isolated rich people I mentioned and completely ignore the more general statements I made about our progress. That makes sense. And no I didn't say that most blacks are in my situation. I'm not complaining most blacks to where we were, and it's indisputable that blacks have improved with each generation.

And I agree that we are underachieving, but you're really exaggerating by claiming we're getting pennies. If you've got a good skill, talent, resume, etc... you can make a good and successful life for yourself. If you disagree with that, then you simply do not know what you're talking about. No on average we don't get paid the same for the same work as our white counterparts, but guess what fat people don't get treated the same as fit people. Ugly people don't get paid as much as attractive people. There are no shortage of unfair double standards in this country. Not all of them are racial. That doesn't change the fact that it's getting better for blacks slowly but surely, and only a blind person or someone who just flat out doesn't know what he's talking about would argue with that.

Once again. If you point is that we as blacks in America aren't where we could or should be, I completely agree. But that is not due to integration. That is due to a lack of foresight in the black community.

 

[white715]

MLK was tryin to change the economic structure in America he spoke out against the Military industrial complex, American imperialism, disproportionate distribution of wealth, etc.

So for anyone to make the argument that he was trying to integrate black people into the American economic system is just flat out wrong, and that person has no idea what they are talking about.

 

[zombie]

I am not impressed by a few rich black people as long as the community is poor we are all poor. Chris rock said that if bill gates woke up with oprah moeny he would shoot himself. blacks own less than 5 % of all firms in america. make up half the jail population. BLACKS ARE DOING BETTER now because we are not being spit on but we are underacheiving like a motherfucker.

We get pennies black should be doing much better and we would had integration not screwed our minds now agree there had to be changes in the system. there were positives with integretion but they came with alot of negatives and the negative outnumber the positives. @ the bolded you don't bring your money back into the community, because it often does not make economical sense. if you did bring the money to the community then the black dollar would circulate among black people. This is part of what i am saying what people think is going on and the reality do not match. If you did not trust the government you would take care of the community you come from and there would not be families that spent whole generations in housing projects and on welfare. as for the civil rights generation they did the best they could but i think the long term outcome was not as good as they thought it would have been.

You are deluded and not looking at reality most blacks are not in your situation.

Yep, focus on the isolated rich people I mentioned and completely ignore the more general statements I made about our progress. That makes sense. And no I didn't say that most blacks are in my situation. I'm not complaining most blacks to where we were, and it's indisputable that blacks have improved with each generation.

And I agree that we are underachieving, but you're really exaggerating by claiming we're getting pennies. If you've got a good skill, talent, resume, etc... you can make a good and successful life for yourself. If you disagree with that, then you simply do not know what you're talking about. No on average we don't get paid the same for the same work as our white counterparts, but guess what fat people don't get treated the same as fit people. Ugly people don't get paid as much as attractive people. There are no shortage of unfair double standards in this country. Not all of them are racial. That doesn't change the fact that it's getting better for blacks slowly but surely, and only a blind person or someone who just flat out doesn't know what he's talking about would argue with that.

Once again. If you point is that we as blacks in America aren't where we could or should be, I completely agree. But that is not due to integration. That is due to a lack of foresight in the black community.

YEAH, we are getting pennies too many of us work for people we don't work for ourselves we don't generate enough of our own wealth and that is due to integration and it is only getting better superficially. have we really improved with each generation?? seeing as how we own less and control less i would say no. Not being lynced and spit on is progress but they still shit on us they just do it in other ways. I ignored the general statements because they are faulty. The average white family is six times as wealthy as the average black family and for every dollar we have they have two.http://www.urban.org/publications/904582.html

And a large portion of the black middle class is a results of government jobs, You are delusional or just don't know the situation black people in america are in. Our lives are only as stable as other people make them because we do not own or control anything. But you believe we are doing better

 

[zombie]

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?? moving away FROM the noi stance does not mean he wanted the kind of integration you are talking about.

still missing the point. but keep claiming Malcolm was no different than he was when he first became prominent in the NOI at the moment of his death

are you white or black or something else.

i guessed you missed it, but my point earlier was that if THIS is your argument, you don't have one.

Me asking you your race has nothing to do with my argument i simply want to know

I never claimed his stance stayed the same, now you just running your mouth to be running your mouth, him not wanting integration is fact as shown by the video. He did not believe social integration would work but after mecca he was willing to work with other people on movement integration. NOI STANCE WAS NO INTEGRATION AT ALL IN ANYTHING.

 

[janklow]

Me asking you your race has nothing to do with my argument

wow, just going to straight-up lie like that?

He did not believe social integration would work but after mecca he was willing to work with other people on movement integration. NOI STANCE WAS NO INTEGRATION AT ALL IN ANYTHING.

so again, after Mecca (and really, before that), he moves from the NOI stance (NO INTEGRATION AT ALL IN ANYTHING) to working on movement integration. you know, side by side with non-blacks for causes and the like. i don't know WHERE we got the idea that he was moving in the direction of integration and not the opposite.

or why you're ignoring the fact that, as i said, "you and i both don't know where Malcolm was headed because someone fucking KILLED him, but he was clearly moving in a direction away from the NOI's stance on racial integration and getting involved in social issues. this, quite frankly, makes it more likely he was headed toward integration of whatever sort"

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I am not impressed by a few rich black people as long as the community is poor we are all poor. Chris rock said that if bill gates woke up with oprah moeny he would shoot himself. blacks own less than 5 % of all firms in america. make up half the jail population. BLACKS ARE DOING BETTER now because we are not being spit on but we are underacheiving like a motherfucker.

We get pennies black should be doing much better and we would had integration not screwed our minds now agree there had to be changes in the system. there were positives with integretion but they came with alot of negatives and the negative outnumber the positives. @ the bolded you don't bring your money back into the community, because it often does not make economical sense. if you did bring the money to the community then the black dollar would circulate among black people. This is part of what i am saying what people think is going on and the reality do not match. If you did not trust the government you would take care of the community you come from and there would not be families that spent whole generations in housing projects and on welfare. as for the civil rights generation they did the best they could but i think the long term outcome was not as good as they thought it would have been.

You are deluded and not looking at reality most blacks are not in your situation.

Yep, focus on the isolated rich people I mentioned and completely ignore the more general statements I made about our progress. That makes sense. And no I didn't say that most blacks are in my situation. I'm not complaining most blacks to where we were, and it's indisputable that blacks have improved with each generation.

And I agree that we are underachieving, but you're really exaggerating by claiming we're getting pennies. If you've got a good skill, talent, resume, etc... you can make a good and successful life for yourself. If you disagree with that, then you simply do not know what you're talking about. No on average we don't get paid the same for the same work as our white counterparts, but guess what fat people don't get treated the same as fit people. Ugly people don't get paid as much as attractive people. There are no shortage of unfair double standards in this country. Not all of them are racial. That doesn't change the fact that it's getting better for blacks slowly but surely, and only a blind person or someone who just flat out doesn't know what he's talking about would argue with that.

Once again. If you point is that we as blacks in America aren't where we could or should be, I completely agree. But that is not due to integration. That is due to a lack of foresight in the black community.

YEAH, we are getting pennies too many of us work for people we don't work for ourselves we don't generate enough of our own wealth and that is due to integration and it is only getting better superficially. have we really improved with each generation?? seeing as how we own less and control less i would say no. Not being lynced and spit on is progress but they still shit on us they just do it in other ways. I ignored the general statements because they are faulty. The average white family is six times as wealthy as the average black family and for every dollar we have they have two.http://www.urban.org/publications/904582.html

And a large portion of the black middle class is a results of government jobs, You are delusional or just don't know the situation black people in america are in. Our lives are only as stable as other people make them because we do not own or control anything. But you believe we are doing better

Working for pennies and for other people can't be said for a lot of people, including a large amount of white people. While I agree that it would be nice to have more black owned businesses, not everyone is meant to own a business. And working for someone else does not = working for pennies. Lots of the richest people in this country are working for other people. Hell at my company, you got a lot of people who are rolling in dough, and they got the same boss that I got.

The average white family has hundreds of years of a head start on black people. Of course whites in general have it better. It's been less than a hundred years since we even earned the opportunity to compete on anything approaching a fair level.

And what difference does it make that the black middle class have government jobs. I don't even know that that's true to be honest, because there are a lot of black professionals out there in fields like nursing and engineering or making good money from technical trades like carpentry and automotive repair. And I'm not delusional. I know there are a lot of black people out there in the cold. I never said life was perfect for all black people. Life isn't even perfect for all white people. Still progress takes time, and all trends show that the black middle class is growing meaning that as I've said multiple times now, there is progress in the black community. You last couple of sentences are silly too, because even if you own your own business, you're only as stable as other people make you. You business lives and dies as much by your investors and your clientele as anything you do. There are a lot of people out there on the precipice of poverty and they own their own businesses. Or did you think that owning a business is somehow an automatic key to ultimate success.

But you know what, we can dead this, because it's you that are most definitely delusional. You're questioning the fact that Blacks are doing better in America than they were in the past. Anyone who would even go that far really doesn't have any reason discussing something like this because they have no idea what they are talking about. It's one thing to say that we could and should be doing better. I could agree with that, but to act like we haven't made progress even though 60 years ago a lot of black people couldn't even conceive of the shit that's commonplace now is retarded.

 

[Wild Self]

A great article I read online on the destructive effect integration has had on Blacks........here are just some snippets of it....integration has done more harm then good for Blacks.....
http://www.thinkaboutit-knowaboutit.com/2013/06/did-integration-hurt-black-america.html

Though the Civil Rights Act officially ended legal discrimination, black people continued to face inequality and they were still oppressed. Worse, the black community was fracturing as it rapidly changed from a tight-knit and self-sustaining community to a community that was increasingly coming to rely on white grace. Middle-class black business owners established their own communities, leaving their lower-class brothers and sisters behind. To this day, middle class black Americans and poor black Americans remain separated from each other.

Look at the current state of black America. It is no longer unified as it was under segregation. This is because segregation forced blacks to sink or swim, and they swam by establishing their own self-sustained community.

After segregation ended, black restaurants, theaters, insurance companies, banks, etc. disappeared, and hard economic times destroyed black neighborhoods that had previously flourished. An economic vacuum ensued and jobs were scarce. Coupled with the power vacuum that occurred when black civil rights leaders were killed and subsequent black power movements were destroyed, black America found itself in the midst of a lack of leadership, drugs, gang violence, extreme poverty, and desperation.

But hey, at least America was integrated.

Today, black people spend 95% of their money at white businesses. Black businesses are owned by white enterprises. Though there are some cities that contain black businesses and institutions (most notably Atlanta), millions of black people are still suffering under the conditions that led to the deterioration of black America.

Integration seemed promising, and it did indeed afford blacks many basic human rights. But integration was a promise that failed. It failed to end racism, it failed to end discrimination, and it failed to uplift the black community as a whole. And to this day, blacks and whites still segregate themselves from each other anyway.

So forced segregation against your own will is the solution? It must come out of understanding and love out of your own people. Let black folk make their own choice, especially in the globalized 21st century.