How Long Do You Think Slavery Would've Lasted Had the Civil War Gone the Other Way

[janklow]

All of this talk about the Confederate flag got me thinking. If the Confederate States had succeeded in breaking away and gaining independence from the Union…and then successfully gained international recognition…how long do you think it would have been before chattel slavery would have finally been abolished in the CSA?

i have to presume that, as shitty as human beings are, slavery would EVENTUALLY have died out. that said, the CSA was all about "member states WILL HAVE SLAVERY HHHRRRAAAUUUGGGHHH," so it likely would have taken some time.

going to say 1900 because i feel like the CSA would have ultimately failed and come back to the Union.

 

[janklow]

Brilliant thread idea this should be in the g&s where it could get more traffic

self-perpetuating issue in that concept

I think you are underestimating how much these people wanted there slaves. If the csa had won at Gettysburg or Manassas as the confederates they called it , then the csa could very well have survived. Brazil continued slavery for a long time after it ended in both the UK and America I see NO reason why the csa would have bowed to pressure from the UK. Especially after fighting a bloody war to keep their slaves.

i think the notion is that the CSA was a poor concept and would have failed from internal drama

 

[janklow]

Brilliant thread idea this should be in the g&s where it could get more traffic

self-perpetuating issue in that concept

I think you are underestimating how much these people wanted there slaves. If the csa had won at Gettysburg or Manassas as the confederates they called it , then the csa could very well have survived. Brazil continued slavery for a long time after it ended in both the UK and America I see NO reason why the csa would have bowed to pressure from the UK. Especially after fighting a bloody war to keep their slaves.

i think the notion is that the CSA was a poor concept and would have failed from internal drama

 

[janklow]

its crazy how all these rednecks become civil war experts now that the flag is getting taken down in SC.

experts who continue to overrate the Confederacy as a legion of unbeaten military genius who apparently lost the war because, uh, a wizard did it

 

[janklow]

its crazy how all these rednecks become civil war experts now that the flag is getting taken down in SC.

experts who continue to overrate the Confederacy as a legion of unbeaten military genius who apparently lost the war because, uh, a wizard did it

 

[zzombie]

Brilliant thread idea this should be in the g&s where it could get more traffic

self-perpetuating issue in that concept

I think you are underestimating how much these people wanted there slaves. If the csa had won at Gettysburg or Manassas as the confederates they called it , then the csa could very well have survived. Brazil continued slavery for a long time after it ended in both the UK and America I see NO reason why the csa would have bowed to pressure from the UK. Especially after fighting a bloody war to keep their slaves.

i think the notion is that the CSA was a poor concept and would have failed from internal drama

You know what you may be right but it depends on when the this false timeline departs from the real one because the more bloody the war the more unity would have been created among the confederate states because i mean who would want to go back to join the enemy you fought bloody battles against.

 

[Will Munny]

There would been a lot more Gabriel Prossers and Nat Turners if slavery wasn't ended when it did. Too bad there weren't more before the civil war.

Off-topic but not really, but I'm going to see this guy next weekend, I'm soooooo hype.

Prosser's Gabriel

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Until some other country put enough political pressure on the US to make it change. It's not so much that other countries would have cared. It just would have been an avenue attack open to any country that wanted to tear down the image of the US globally.

 

[CashmoneyDux]

any of yall seen C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America? Good mockumentary about this scenario.

 

[soul rattler]

Not long. If the Confederacy had won, the UK would've been like

"oh, these dumbasses are fucking up this much? Time to take back the colonies."

 

[bambu]

any of yall seen C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America? Good mockumentary about this scenario.

Saw it at school......

I did not like it........

& think that what if scenarios should be left to up to marvel comics...........

 

[zzombie]

Not long. If the Confederacy had won, the UK would've been like

"oh, these dumbasses are fucking up this much? Time to take back the colonies."

The u.k would not have done a fucking thing

 

[soul rattler]

Not long. If the Confederacy had won, the UK would've been like

"oh, these dumbasses are fucking up this much? Time to take back the colonies."

The u.k would not have done a fucking thing

Let's see.

The strongest world power in the world at the time...

Embarrassingly lost a new country's worth of land to a bunch of turncoats...

Already outlawed slavery...

Meanwhile, the US collapses in on itself? There wouldn't have been a better time to take back the colonies. Who would have stopped them?

 

[zzombie]

Not long. If the Confederacy had won, the UK would've been like

"oh, these dumbasses are fucking up this much? Time to take back the colonies."

The u.k would not have done a fucking thing

Let's see.

The strongest world power in the world at the time...

Embarrassingly lost a new country's worth of land to a bunch of turncoats...

Already outlawed slavery...

Meanwhile, the US collapses in on itself? There wouldn't have been a better time to take back the colonies. Who would have stopped them?

they might have tried but they would have failed because i think that even the union would not have wanted the u.k to put their fingers anywhere else on the north american continent. By the way the civil war sparked great military technological innovation the union and the south had some of the first semi-industrialized armies in the world and some of the best weapons.

 

[janklow]

You know what you may be right but it depends on when the this false timeline departs from the real one because the more bloody the war the more unity would have been created among the confederate states because i mean who would want to go back to join the enemy you fought bloody battles against.

this is a fair point, but i would also think there's a point where any state that broke away from the CSA would see more wisdom in reunifying with the US than trying to go it alone as a weird little state.

it probably also depends on the state; if Texas was fed up with the CSA for some reason, it would be more awkward for them to seek reunion with the US than, say, Virginia.

Meanwhile, the US collapses in on itself? There wouldn't have been a better time to take back the colonies. Who would have stopped them?

probably Americans, since they've never been able to really win a war against us

 

[soul rattler]

You know what you may be right but it depends on when the this false timeline departs from the real one because the more bloody the war the more unity would have been created among the confederate states because i mean who would want to go back to join the enemy you fought bloody battles against.

this is a fair point, but i would also think there's a point where any state that broke away from the CSA would see more wisdom in reunifying with the US than trying to go it alone as a weird little state.

it probably also depends on the state; if Texas was fed up with the CSA for some reason, it would be more awkward for them to seek reunion with the US than, say, Virginia.

Meanwhile, the US collapses in on itself? There wouldn't have been a better time to take back the colonies. Who would have stopped them?

probably Americans, since they've never been able to really win a war against us

They fought a united nation, not a divided nation who just finished fighting itself.

 

[janklow]

They fought a united nation, not a divided nation who just finished fighting itself.

sounds like we're just making excuses for a world-spanning empire failing

they burned down our capital and couldn't even seem to win that war

 

[luke1733]

Judging from the fact that slaves at that time were infiltrating every section of society and educating one another and finally speaking the same language I'd have to guess:

1-there would have been a long war and probably a section or land of free black slaves.

2-There would also be certain territories in the US that were known for not practicing slavery anymore.

3-The lack of integration into white society would have spawned a lot more technical and independent black operated businesses and communities.

4-Mass killings of blacks by whites would have continued.

5-Religion would have been stronger in the black community

6-Drugs would never have been existent in the black community

7-more black areas in the probably the Northwest and Canada would have been populated as the Underground railroad would have taken us to areas where there were no whites in sight.

8-ALOT more light-skinned blacks would exist as mulattoes and integrate into White society as much as possible and possibly look back toward helping their mothers and passing laws to help blacks.

9-The world eventually would start accusing America of racist and slavery practices and start to not do business with them because of this practice.

10-White class warfare would erupt in a CIVIL war inevitably because the slaves would be accused of taking all the white man's jobs who couldn't afford slaves. Other countries would be mad and feel America was cheating in the economic system by using slaves and would try to either enslave their own or enslave whites or not work with America or band together and say since we can't do it you can't either.

11-World War, also inevitable, would have existed regardless of the race situation and America would have been weaker because then the South would not have been united and Russia, Japan, China, Korea Cuba and other Communist countries would have backed the Southern states in a rebellion that would result in the north being almost destroyed or having to retaliate with using the help of Britain, England and some other countries to fight against the southern states. The end result of this would be America NEVER being a superpower and never uniting all the states in its own land and having endless international wars on its own land. Inflitrated by Russia, Mexico, Cuba, Japan, Korea, China, Italy, and throw in some Middle Eastern countries. Along with this it would also have resulted in more blacks turning against America inside of America and poor whites and possibly overthrowing the system of slavery anyway or at least strike a major blow. From this you would have parts of America owned by the French, part owned by China, part by Blacks, part by a mixture of many cultures, part Indian, part Muslim and there would be no ONE government or monetary system. There would be PLENTY of militaries inside of America and emperors.

12-Diseases that exist from slave quarters would be passed onto whites and taken entire cities out like the plague.

Thats about all I can think of.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

You know what you may be right but it depends on when the this false timeline departs from the real one because the more bloody the war the more unity would have been created among the confederate states because i mean who would want to go back to join the enemy you fought bloody battles against.

this is a fair point, but i would also think there's a point where any state that broke away from the CSA would see more wisdom in reunifying with the US than trying to go it alone as a weird little state.

it probably also depends on the state; if Texas was fed up with the CSA for some reason, it would be more awkward for them to seek reunion with the US than, say, Virginia.

Meanwhile, the US collapses in on itself? There wouldn't have been a better time to take back the colonies. Who would have stopped them?

probably Americans, since they've never been able to really win a war against us

Didn't they technically win against us in the war of 1812? They were beating back, but our goal was to take over Canada, so we lost that one. I guess those were Canadians, but they were under direct British rule.

 

[janklow]

Didn't they technically win against us in the war of 1812? They were beating back, but our goal was to take over Canada, so we lost that one. I guess those were Canadians, but they were under direct British rule.

our goal wasn't really to take over Canada; it was more a series of smaller issues that can basically be summed up as "show us some damn respect, Britain!" and it was basically a draw that returned everything to a pre-war state.

i wouldn't claim the US won the war. but the British didn't either.